I think we are "arguing" the same points here. But I'm pointing out the semantics of it and how it comes about - but in the end I think the end result is likely the same.
The article states that they upgraded their hardware and the new hardware is faster and cheaper than the prior hardware... uhhh, right - I'm pretty sure that is how the hardware world works.
Where you could argue that Linux has its edge is stated right in the article - it is the driver support. SGI doesn't support certain drivers, and for good reason - they want to push their own stuff. So if they want to work with new hardware - like the new NVidia chips for realtime rendering the same way SquareSoft did, then SGI isn't going to help.
Also, workstation speed is all relative - it depends on what you are doing on the particular workstation - are they slower at working with real-time video? are they slower at network filesharing? is their memory bandwidth too slow for the hardware to make full use the processor? To say it is too slow is a cop out - the hardware exists for a specific reason - SGI makes very action specific workstations, and they are areguably useless outside of that realm.
And while it is a fantastic thing for you to be able to throw around that you "work in TV" as if what you say is now backed by all of that business instead of just your opinion - then by me saying that I once worked at a special effects house, I should now have more power in what I say right? I assure you that whether the effects house is SquareSoft, ILM, Digital Domain, or whatever - they all are businesses and have a single bottom line - they need to make money. In order to make money, they won't ignore cost as you say. But it might look like that if they are rationalizing cost (a 100 node cluster of SGIs might be a million dollars, but a 200 node cluster of Alpha boxes might be 1.75million - they are spending more money, but they are getting a much faster overall cluster).
To argue over their workstations is silly in the end - the workstations are constantly being turned over at these places and nobody is ever satisfied with their performance. They don't really care if your workstation is top notch - what they care about is how fast the end product can be realized - if a faster workstation would result in that, then you get a faster one based on cost - but almost always, the entire focus of the drive of machines purchased is the rendering farm. Even then, it hardly ever is truly purchased - it is a lease type deal since the turnover is so high.
I personally hated SGI when we worked with them and I much preferred the Intel boxes. So I'm not exactly standing up for SGI here, I mainly just thought the article was poorly written and should have called out the reason for switch better than just a reason to add one more article to the linux circle jerk.
Also I should note that I wrote SGI/Intel on WinNT up there - that is wrong - it was SGI/Alphas with WinNT. I would imagine that Intel and AMD now making the new 64bit chips will lead to a lot bigger jump over SGI.
I can look there all day and all it will do is back up what I just said.
if you are talking about "running RISC chip A at 1Ghz is this much slower doing this than were I to run it on chip B at 1Ghz" - then that is totally different. that is a benchmark that is useless - especially in terms of real world usage.
what is useful is exactly what I said in the first post - bang for the buck. If you run Dell/Linux and you pay $500 for one entry level node, and your budget is $50K for this project, then you can have 500 nodes to crunch data on. If you run SGI and pay $2000 for one entry level node and you have the same budget, then you are going to get more bang for the buck from the Dell/Intel/Linux combo.
But it isn't that Dell and Linux are somehow special - they are just cheap. SGI has plenty of solution that kick the shit out of any Intel/Linux combo ever could - but they are cost prohibitive.
you can point to Spec.org all you want, but that won't change basic economic theory.
The way that is worded, it makes it sound as if the processing power of an Intel/Linux combination is superior - whereas it is a matter of the bang for the buck instead.
You can get more processing power with the latter since it is cheaper (I would imagine even moreso with AMD) and easier to maintain. But not because it is inherently special or faster in any way.
I wonder if this will bring Silicon Graphics back into the favor of Intel boxes - for awhile they were okay with WinNT and Intel boxes, but then they dropped all of that - presumably for a higher profit margin and less hassle of maintaining multiple systems (also likely some break in business politics - perhaps someone at MS pissed someone off at SGI).
I've never used NetBeans under Linux, only ever Win2K or WinXP. The machines I've used it on were my laptop which is an Athlon Mobile 1G with half a gig of RAM. My work machine (at the time), which was a dual PIII 667 with half a gig of RAM (and I think later a full gig). And then my current work machine which is a P4 2G with half a gig of RAM.
I used it way back when it was... crap - it was a different name. That version was absolutely terrible. Then the first iteration of NetBeans was a little better, but I definitely thought it was slow. But for the past two years I've found it to be pretty nice - but then, I don't know if you consider the machines I'm on to be high end or something.
I've never used Eclipse, perhaps it is a better editor - I mainly just want something that has autocomplete, syntax highlighting, and bookmarks - other than that, I'm not really a power user of the thing. A fellow I worked with used NetBeans in a way that I am used to seeing people use emacs - as a swiss army knife that was great for many things.
I wish that it had functionality like Kommodo where you could fold up your functions to conserve space on screen... perhaps it *does* have that feature and I just haven't seen how to turn it on?
I personally have never had any issues with NetBeans and I like it - but like I said, I'm not much of a power user.
I love gadgets. I buy things that are largely of no real use to me, and I tend to spend far too much on them (which is argueably redundant if I have no use for them - then any price is too much).
but I have two requirements for them and this doesn't seem to pass either of them: 1) it has to be shiny 2) it has to be smaller than my penis
I would even argue that there could be a third requirement, but alas, this one seems to fail here as well: 3) it has to fit in my ass
So Philips, if you are listening, if you want me to buy one of your newfangled remotes, it will have to be much smaller, and ideally mirrored.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I ever put the things in my ass - but it is reasurring to know that you can. You can confidently walk down the street with the calm notion that if need be, you could hide your thousands of dollars in gadgetry in your ass at a moments notice and the world wouldn't be any wiser... aside from the look of pain on your face and the sweat pouring off as you awkwardly make your way out of the bathroom - guiltily scanning the crowd for glances of recognition of what just happened.
yeah, I guess I cheated on that one. in "the wild" I can't think of a single one.
I was thinking more on drug and dna delivery systems that use viruses as their mechanism of action. Since none of these are really used aside from research at this point (that I'm aware of), it was a stupid stupid thing.
for me, the nice part of running a linux box is being able to telnet/ssh into it and setup scripts on it to do xyz, and then more importantly - track stats on it - have it run a webserver that you can watch to track fan rpm levels, heat levels, cpu, etc.
windows is very likely easier, but from the geek standpoint, I think the linux way allows so much more tinkering ability - so it is whether you want something that just works - or something that you can fool around with and have fun.
I'm personally a stats junkie, so I'll likely go the linux route (or perhaps both - the windows one for "everyone" to use in my apt, and the linux one for me to tinker with)
great link - thanks - if I had mod points I'd mod this up! I'm moving out of the country and where I'm moving doesn't have TiVo. I currently have TiVo and love it - but once I move, I'm considering making my own system, and it looks like either Freevo or MythTV would be great for what I want.
the downside is that for the first few months I'm there, it looks like I certainly won't have more than dial-up in terms of internet, and I'm not sure I'll even have a TV for awhile... hard to do TiVo type things with no TV.
I first started getting mostly CDs from AOL when I was a soph in college. The dorm suite I lived in had a single hallway connecting 5 rooms off of one side of it.
My suitemates and I, upon findings of those CDs in our maail would then leave them on our desks by our computers. Then when we were bored, we would throw the CD out our dorm room doors and see if we could curve them properly to go out our rooms and into another. My best shot hit a suitemate in the head 3 rooms down - and I was drunk.
We did similar things with the disks when they were still in all the wrappings, but the CDs could do just as well even naked.
back when the switch was first happening from Atari to Nintendo, there were kids in my school that would go into KMart and dump out the Atari games (which came in huge boxes) and then stuff them full of multiple Nintendo cartridges. then they would buy the cheaper "Atari" boxes and walk out of the store "legit" and then proceed to sell the brand new games at school the next day.
I never had a console until just the past few years, so I never really followed much of it - but I recall thinking that was pretty clever for some of the trailer trash that did it and didn't exect it of them.
LOL - well, I'm weird! I *like* the new 7 series and the 5 series is growing on me... like a rash. I always felt the older ones were boring looking anyways, and I like that designer.
Mazda has had a rotary engine for awhile - there has also been talk of putting a rotary in a bike for some time as well (haven't paid any attention to see if it has been done yet) - the roatry engines are lighter and have insane accelaration and cause a lot of excitement because of essentially no redline compared to that of a piston engine - they are also more efficient at creating torque.
The older Mazda RX-7 had a turbo version that was fast as hell, but overpriced and heavier than it needed to be.
The new Mazda RX-8 isn't a sports car, but it looks sporty as hell and is close enough.
My friend just got a new Ducati - not sure what model - but he loves that thing (rich IB bastard also has a Viper and a new M3). Another friend upon hearing about it said that he'd rather have the high end Honda CBR. To each their own - I'm not big on motorcycles myself (I appreciate the technology, just have no personal interest in it).
If I could have any car right now, I'd wait until the new M5 - I think due out in '05 - although I'd want to wait a year on that to allow them to work out the kinks. Then again, I also like the new 7 series, even before the upcoming redesign this year - but not the L varient, even with the 12cyl.
hell, where I'm moving all the cars are tiny and you can't have anything all that amazing. I'll have a damn scooter and some sort of used Suzuki fake Jeep thing.
once I come back to the states, then I'll see what cool cars are around then and take it from there. but I'm doubting I'll go the Accord route;)
lol - I don't think I've ever cried about anything car related. esp not American cars coming and going. While I have no opinion one way or the other about those cars, I would argue that I have seen many drivers of said cars that would be better described as pathetic. but hey, takes all kinds.
you are right - the better engines cost more - which isn't entirely outside of my point that apparently is lost in all of this. the accord is cheap, and drives that way.
and yes, I have driven one - my 50 year old mother has one and loves it. but she also doesn't go around bragging about its horespower and torque ratings... (I guarentee she has no clue what they even mean). If someone says that they love Hondas because they get good gas mileage, then fantastic - but if you start throwing around stats on any Honda, then it stands to point out the futility of it to that person.
whether I'm retarded or not is still up in the air - I personally would vote yes - but there are those that argue against it... mostly my mom.
but that is entirely outside the realm of this discussion. what is inside this discussion is the fact that we were discussing *torque* which is, in this case, a very different thing. the 190 that I pointed out would be the torque that it would have at regular speeds around town and not at annoying RPMs - which was my point, it is an annoying car to drive. Horespower means nothing unless you compare it to the torque, the size of the wheels, and the weight of the car.
I have no interest in the "bench racing" - I was responding to a post in which someone was saying how great an Accord was and listed its specs as "proof" and I was pointing out that the specs were in fact, crap.
If you REALLY want to argue about who's penis is smaller - I assure you I will win - no contest.
ooo - so I get a whopping 190 out of a frickin 3.0L V6? that is pathetic - there are 4cyl engines out there that make that and they weigh less too. So you get low torque over what they call a flat band, out of a weak engine. So like I said - in order to get enough torque for a heavy car, you then need to rev it high to get to the top of their flat band.
Then again, the people that seek out the Honda Accord aren't exactly the people that seek out the 100HP and 100+lb-ft torque per L of an engine.
It just amuses me that the price of the Accord is creeping up to that of cars that are much better.
Cadillac does have an engine out now - just a prototype (but fully working under high loads) that produces 1000hp and torque - it is an aluminum block V16 that is less heavy that two of their large V8s together.
Honda's torque band is pathetic on their engines - in order to get anything usable you have to rev entirely too high - even for around town driving.
I suppose it is all a matter of preference.
I don't really want either the honda nor the caddy.
is the "wagdog" name a reference to wave it in our face even more?
I haven't really looked around other sites to see if this is getting discussed or not, and the site appears to be down now as well - but it looks and smells an awful lot like astroturfing to me.
It seems now the east coast is awake and now hitting this thing hard.
as of about 7am there were around 64K users registered on there and the site was snappy. there were posts on here from last night indicating 8K users. Now at 9:15am it seems that there are over 80K users registered and the site is crawling.
I am not sure if it is the mySQL database that is dying on it, or if it is just the load on the 1Ghz processor.
either way, I would say it will die within the next 15 mins now.
I use Trillian and I'm curious if the export and save up to his site process will cause unhappiness on the part of his system.
I have my most recent buddylist at work so I will try it there - I have never bothered to look at how it exports, but obviously it has a way to differentiate the sub components of the list (yahoo or AIM, etc), but does this site take advantage of that? If not, then I guess I can't use it.
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I think we are "arguing" the same points here. But I'm pointing out the semantics of it and how it comes about - but in the end I think the end result is likely the same.
The article states that they upgraded their hardware and the new hardware is faster and cheaper than the prior hardware... uhhh, right - I'm pretty sure that is how the hardware world works.
Where you could argue that Linux has its edge is stated right in the article - it is the driver support. SGI doesn't support certain drivers, and for good reason - they want to push their own stuff. So if they want to work with new hardware - like the new NVidia chips for realtime rendering the same way SquareSoft did, then SGI isn't going to help.
Also, workstation speed is all relative - it depends on what you are doing on the particular workstation - are they slower at working with real-time video? are they slower at network filesharing? is their memory bandwidth too slow for the hardware to make full use the processor?
To say it is too slow is a cop out - the hardware exists for a specific reason - SGI makes very action specific workstations, and they are areguably useless outside of that realm.
And while it is a fantastic thing for you to be able to throw around that you "work in TV" as if what you say is now backed by all of that business instead of just your opinion - then by me saying that I once worked at a special effects house, I should now have more power in what I say right?
I assure you that whether the effects house is SquareSoft, ILM, Digital Domain, or whatever - they all are businesses and have a single bottom line - they need to make money.
In order to make money, they won't ignore cost as you say. But it might look like that if they are rationalizing cost (a 100 node cluster of SGIs might be a million dollars, but a 200 node cluster of Alpha boxes might be 1.75million - they are spending more money, but they are getting a much faster overall cluster).
To argue over their workstations is silly in the end - the workstations are constantly being turned over at these places and nobody is ever satisfied with their performance. They don't really care if your workstation is top notch - what they care about is how fast the end product can be realized - if a faster workstation would result in that, then you get a faster one based on cost - but almost always, the entire focus of the drive of machines purchased is the rendering farm.
Even then, it hardly ever is truly purchased - it is a lease type deal since the turnover is so high.
I personally hated SGI when we worked with them and I much preferred the Intel boxes. So I'm not exactly standing up for SGI here, I mainly just thought the article was poorly written and should have called out the reason for switch better than just a reason to add one more article to the linux circle jerk.
Also I should note that I wrote SGI/Intel on WinNT up there - that is wrong - it was SGI/Alphas with WinNT. I would imagine that Intel and AMD now making the new 64bit chips will lead to a lot bigger jump over SGI.
LOL
uhh - 100 nodes.
too early - need coffee
I can look there all day and all it will do is back up what I just said.
if you are talking about "running RISC chip A at 1Ghz is this much slower doing this than were I to run it on chip B at 1Ghz" - then that is totally different.
that is a benchmark that is useless - especially in terms of real world usage.
what is useful is exactly what I said in the first post - bang for the buck.
If you run Dell/Linux and you pay $500 for one entry level node, and your budget is $50K for this project, then you can have 500 nodes to crunch data on.
If you run SGI and pay $2000 for one entry level node and you have the same budget, then you are going to get more bang for the buck from the Dell/Intel/Linux combo.
But it isn't that Dell and Linux are somehow special - they are just cheap. SGI has plenty of solution that kick the shit out of any Intel/Linux combo ever could - but they are cost prohibitive.
you can point to Spec.org all you want, but that won't change basic economic theory.
The way that is worded, it makes it sound as if the processing power of an Intel/Linux combination is superior - whereas it is a matter of the bang for the buck instead.
You can get more processing power with the latter since it is cheaper (I would imagine even moreso with AMD) and easier to maintain. But not because it is inherently special or faster in any way.
I wonder if this will bring Silicon Graphics back into the favor of Intel boxes - for awhile they were okay with WinNT and Intel boxes, but then they dropped all of that - presumably for a higher profit margin and less hassle of maintaining multiple systems (also likely some break in business politics - perhaps someone at MS pissed someone off at SGI).
I've never used NetBeans under Linux, only ever Win2K or WinXP. The machines I've used it on were my laptop which is an Athlon Mobile 1G with half a gig of RAM. My work machine (at the time), which was a dual PIII 667 with half a gig of RAM (and I think later a full gig). And then my current work machine which is a P4 2G with half a gig of RAM.
I used it way back when it was... crap - it was a different name. That version was absolutely terrible. Then the first iteration of NetBeans was a little better, but I definitely thought it was slow.
But for the past two years I've found it to be pretty nice - but then, I don't know if you consider the machines I'm on to be high end or something.
I've never used Eclipse, perhaps it is a better editor - I mainly just want something that has autocomplete, syntax highlighting, and bookmarks - other than that, I'm not really a power user of the thing.
A fellow I worked with used NetBeans in a way that I am used to seeing people use emacs - as a swiss army knife that was great for many things.
I wish that it had functionality like Kommodo where you could fold up your functions to conserve space on screen... perhaps it *does* have that feature and I just haven't seen how to turn it on?
I personally have never had any issues with NetBeans and I like it - but like I said, I'm not much of a power user.
I love gadgets. I buy things that are largely of no real use to me, and I tend to spend far too much on them (which is argueably redundant if I have no use for them - then any price is too much).
but I have two requirements for them and this doesn't seem to pass either of them:
1) it has to be shiny
2) it has to be smaller than my penis
I would even argue that there could be a third requirement, but alas, this one seems to fail here as well:
3) it has to fit in my ass
So Philips, if you are listening, if you want me to buy one of your newfangled remotes, it will have to be much smaller, and ideally mirrored.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I ever put the things in my ass - but it is reasurring to know that you can. You can confidently walk down the street with the calm notion that if need be, you could hide your thousands of dollars in gadgetry in your ass at a moments notice and the world wouldn't be any wiser... aside from the look of pain on your face and the sweat pouring off as you awkwardly make your way out of the bathroom - guiltily scanning the crowd for glances of recognition of what just happened.
yeah, I guess I cheated on that one. in "the wild" I can't think of a single one.
I was thinking more on drug and dna delivery systems that use viruses as their mechanism of action.
Since none of these are really used aside from research at this point (that I'm aware of), it was a stupid stupid thing.
I'll go punch myself in the genitals now.
I feel like there are these other things that we are inhaling all the time that have variants that are both good and bad....
what are they called... something with a V and another with a B...
very cool!
it is nice to see someone that has pictures and an account of what they went through (or are still going through) in order to do it.
the best part of that site for me is the list of hardware that he has running it, and then the pros and cons that come from that.
I'm adding that to my bookmarks to check back on when I go to make my own pvr.
thanks for the link!
for me, the nice part of running a linux box is being able to telnet/ssh into it and setup scripts on it to do xyz, and then more importantly - track stats on it - have it run a webserver that you can watch to track fan rpm levels, heat levels, cpu, etc.
windows is very likely easier, but from the geek standpoint, I think the linux way allows so much more tinkering ability - so it is whether you want something that just works - or something that you can fool around with and have fun.
I'm personally a stats junkie, so I'll likely go the linux route (or perhaps both - the windows one for "everyone" to use in my apt, and the linux one for me to tinker with)
great link - thanks - if I had mod points I'd mod this up!
I'm moving out of the country and where I'm moving doesn't have TiVo. I currently have TiVo and love it - but once I move, I'm considering making my own system, and it looks like either Freevo or MythTV would be great for what I want.
the downside is that for the first few months I'm there, it looks like I certainly won't have more than dial-up in terms of internet, and I'm not sure I'll even have a TV for awhile... hard to do TiVo type things with no TV.
I first started getting mostly CDs from AOL when I was a soph in college.
The dorm suite I lived in had a single hallway connecting 5 rooms off of one side of it.
My suitemates and I, upon findings of those CDs in our maail would then leave them on our desks by our computers.
Then when we were bored, we would throw the CD out our dorm room doors and see if we could curve them properly to go out our rooms and into another.
My best shot hit a suitemate in the head 3 rooms down - and I was drunk.
We did similar things with the disks when they were still in all the wrappings, but the CDs could do just as well even naked.
I pay $70 for regular cable and cable modem now and I thought that was "decent" - but FIBER?!??!!
I would seriously consider moving there were I a little older.
back when the switch was first happening from Atari to Nintendo, there were kids in my school that would go into KMart and dump out the Atari games (which came in huge boxes) and then stuff them full of multiple Nintendo cartridges.
then they would buy the cheaper "Atari" boxes and walk out of the store "legit" and then proceed to sell the brand new games at school the next day.
I never had a console until just the past few years, so I never really followed much of it - but I recall thinking that was pretty clever for some of the trailer trash that did it and didn't exect it of them.
LOL - well, I'm weird! I *like* the new 7 series and the 5 series is growing on me... like a rash.
I always felt the older ones were boring looking anyways, and I like that designer.
and no, not Singapore, Bermuda.
Mazda has had a rotary engine for awhile - there has also been talk of putting a rotary in a bike for some time as well (haven't paid any attention to see if it has been done yet) - the roatry engines are lighter and have insane accelaration and cause a lot of excitement because of essentially no redline compared to that of a piston engine - they are also more efficient at creating torque.
The older Mazda RX-7 had a turbo version that was fast as hell, but overpriced and heavier than it needed to be.
The new Mazda RX-8 isn't a sports car, but it looks sporty as hell and is close enough.
My friend just got a new Ducati - not sure what model - but he loves that thing (rich IB bastard also has a Viper and a new M3). Another friend upon hearing about it said that he'd rather have the high end Honda CBR.
;)
To each their own - I'm not big on motorcycles myself (I appreciate the technology, just have no personal interest in it).
If I could have any car right now, I'd wait until the new M5 - I think due out in '05 - although I'd want to wait a year on that to allow them to work out the kinks.
Then again, I also like the new 7 series, even before the upcoming redesign this year - but not the L varient, even with the 12cyl.
hell, where I'm moving all the cars are tiny and you can't have anything all that amazing. I'll have a damn scooter and some sort of used Suzuki fake Jeep thing.
once I come back to the states, then I'll see what cool cars are around then and take it from there. but I'm doubting I'll go the Accord route
lol - I don't think I've ever cried about anything car related. esp not American cars coming and going. While I have no opinion one way or the other about those cars, I would argue that I have seen many drivers of said cars that would be better described as pathetic. but hey, takes all kinds.
you are right - the better engines cost more - which isn't entirely outside of my point that apparently is lost in all of this.
the accord is cheap, and drives that way.
and yes, I have driven one - my 50 year old mother has one and loves it. but she also doesn't go around bragging about its horespower and torque ratings... (I guarentee she has no clue what they even mean).
If someone says that they love Hondas because they get good gas mileage, then fantastic - but if you start throwing around stats on any Honda, then it stands to point out the futility of it to that person.
whether I'm retarded or not is still up in the air - I personally would vote yes - but there are those that argue against it... mostly my mom.
but that is entirely outside the realm of this discussion. what is inside this discussion is the fact that we were discussing *torque* which is, in this case, a very different thing. the 190 that I pointed out would be the torque that it would have at regular speeds around town and not at annoying RPMs - which was my point, it is an annoying car to drive.
Horespower means nothing unless you compare it to the torque, the size of the wheels, and the weight of the car.
I have no interest in the "bench racing" - I was responding to a post in which someone was saying how great an Accord was and listed its specs as "proof" and I was pointing out that the specs were in fact, crap.
If you REALLY want to argue about who's penis is smaller - I assure you I will win - no contest.
ooo - so I get a whopping 190 out of a frickin 3.0L V6? that is pathetic - there are 4cyl engines out there that make that and they weigh less too.
So you get low torque over what they call a flat band, out of a weak engine.
So like I said - in order to get enough torque for a heavy car, you then need to rev it high to get to the top of their flat band.
Then again, the people that seek out the Honda Accord aren't exactly the people that seek out the 100HP and 100+lb-ft torque per L of an engine.
It just amuses me that the price of the Accord is creeping up to that of cars that are much better.
to each their own.
Cadillac does have an engine out now - just a prototype (but fully working under high loads) that produces 1000hp and torque - it is an aluminum block V16 that is less heavy that two of their large V8s together.
Honda's torque band is pathetic on their engines - in order to get anything usable you have to rev entirely too high - even for around town driving.
I suppose it is all a matter of preference.
I don't really want either the honda nor the caddy.
is the "wagdog" name a reference to wave it in our face even more?
I haven't really looked around other sites to see if this is getting discussed or not, and the site appears to be down now as well - but it looks and smells an awful lot like astroturfing to me.
It seems now the east coast is awake and now hitting this thing hard.
as of about 7am there were around 64K users registered on there and the site was snappy. there were posts on here from last night indicating 8K users.
Now at 9:15am it seems that there are over 80K users registered and the site is crawling.
I am not sure if it is the mySQL database that is dying on it, or if it is just the load on the 1Ghz processor.
either way, I would say it will die within the next 15 mins now.
What im more worried about is me.
:)
LOL - that rules!
a thread about social network theory and then a post now about the overall social construct that defines human nature.
I love it
seriously - that right there should be a sig.
I use Trillian and I'm curious if the export and save up to his site process will cause unhappiness on the part of his system.
I have my most recent buddylist at work so I will try it there - I have never bothered to look at how it exports, but obviously it has a way to differentiate the sub components of the list (yahoo or AIM, etc), but does this site take advantage of that?
If not, then I guess I can't use it.