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The more numerous the laws ... friscolr writes "The Register has an article about security researcher Niels Provos's (creator/collaborator for systrace, honeyd, openssh, various steg tools, and more) struggle to continue his Ph.D. studies amidst an increasingly restrictive set of U.S. and Michigan laws. This isn't the first time a prominent security researcher in Michigan has voiced serious concerns over new laws."
You may remember several earlier stories mentioning Provos' research, such as this article on his honeynet creation tool honeyd.
Apple Records has a certain ring, though, doesn't it? egoff writes "The Apple/Universal Music deal is unlikely, according to the New York Times (reg req), nor would it be a sure hit with investors. However, if the deal did go through, it would be because of Steve Job's vision for the future of digital music. Said one former Apple exec: 'Apple always needs to pull a rabbit out of its hat. Universal is a pretty big rabbit.'"
Swearing in another language doesn't count. Chilliwilli writes with an update to the recent Anger As a Software Design Philosophy: "Anyone that took a look at the foul language feckfeck might be amazed to see that somebody has actually risen to one of the three challenges and written a quine in this more irritating of languages. Congratulations go to 'hoser'."
Upping their meds. Elyjah writes "Steve Bellovin has compiled a short list of emails he got regarding his most recent RFC (3514) which appeared this last April 1st. (I believe you may have seen something on Slashdot about it.) Some people just...don't...get it."
If you go beyond the Enterprise, doesn't that invalidate their theme song? Built enough floppy-disk Enterprises? GaryK writes "With Dell getting rid of 3.5" disk drives, I'm quite sure we'll have to come up with creative uses for the hundreds and hundreds of floppies we have around our offices. This guy should serve as an inspiration to us all.
...also knows as "Old School Coasters", for those of us who remember a time before AOL CD-ROMs.
the legendary ease and innovaton of apple, legal music? sounds like a match made in heaven to me.
What or who determines the "evilness" or "goodness" of the packet? If a security admin or OS can determine or flag bits as good, what keeps the hacker from spoofing this process by setting the bit to "good"? Does the bit change based on behavior? Or maybe a database with signatures of "bad" bits?
(name deleted)
Microsoft Corporation
Not to worry, good sir - there is a simple and easy answer to your question. All Microsoft software and systems should automatically set the bit to evil! On the off-chance of the packet passing through a clean system, the bit could be set to good, but all data originating from a Microsoft system are, by definition, evil.
HTH, HAND...
Paranoia isn't an infectious condition, it's a way of life
...and Steve wears a pretty big hat.
Surely these would be more interesting (and much more shiny) than boring old floppy clips. I guess I'll just wait till 40gb DVD's render CD's useless and lots of boring nerds start wandering what the hell to do with their now useless 500 cd pr0n collection. Surely you could make life size models with CDs. they seem a lot more sculptable!
um, there's already a company called Apple Records. They put out music by an obscure group called the Beatles.
/. ers are too young to remember those days...
I know, most
or the days when record labels had actual labels smack dab in the middle of those black disks.
Apple Records? I don't think the Beatles will go for it.
rob
I'd really rather apple buy out the company. Despite my complaints about QuickTime, apple has been rather nice about keeping iTunes using mp3 for output, and more recently support Ogg Vorbis for playback. They might start including digital copies of music in addition to the CD tracks, and definitly wouldn't go to the extreme of copy protection schemes that crash macintoshes (anyone have a link?)
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Actually, didn't apple have some sort of agreement with Apple Corps. (The Beatles' label) about this very thing?
"I'll say it again for the logic-impaired." -- Larry Wall.
http://sdcc15.ucsd.edu/~mrossmas/recycle.html
I think the fellow "recycling" floppies into star ships should construct a floppy woman. It may be the only chance he will get.
High density
Double sided
write protect hole
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
Back when Apple Computers(AC( was founded, Apple Records(AR) (who put out the Beatles records in America) sued AC for the name Apple. AC had to agree not to go into the music recording business in order to use the name Apple. If AC makes this move into music recording, would they not be violating that agreement?
Apparently from a freind's company who buys lots of dells their Free USB keychain drive offer (Here in the UK at least) was only good for 1 week after they announced the removal of floppy disks. Please someone else tell me this is wrong :-(
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Good Afternoon,
What or who determines the "evilness" or "goodness" of the packet? If a security admin or OS can determine or flag bits as good, what keeps the hacker from spoofing this process by setting the bit to "good"? Does the bit change based on behavior? Or maybe a database with signatures of "bad" bits?
(name deleted)
Microsoft Corporation
Dear (name deleted),
The complete protocol is not yet formalized, but you can be assured that any packet from your companies domain should have the bit set.
Signed,
-All irrational slashdot readers who flame MS as a reflex
(it's a joke, people)
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Said one former Apple exec: 'Apple always needs to pull a rabbit out of its hat. Universal is a pretty big rabbit.'
You don't save a drowning man by throwing him another drowning man.
Don't use those disks man:e m&item =3603092159&category=4291
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt
Sell them on eBay to suckers looking for junk mail that takes their memories way back to the 1990s when AOL was hip.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
"Good Afternoon,
What or who determines the "evilness" or "goodness" of the packet? If a security admin or OS can determine or flag bits as good, what keeps the hacker from spoofing this process by setting the bit to "good"? Does the bit change based on behavior? Or maybe a database with signatures of "bad" bits?
(name deleted)
Microsoft Corporation
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It is actually quite easy to determine the evilness of a packet. If it comes from an IP assigned to the Microsoft corporation, then it is surely an evil packet. Porn packets get an evil bit, only if the porn is considered illegal in Utah.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
All /. posts by me that happen to have been simultaneously posted by other /. users could have been prevented if the evil bit was implemented. All redundant post packets would be assigned evil bits, thus rendering the newest evil redundant packets dead, and avoiding the repost.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
A quine is a program that, when run, exactly reproduces its source code. Nifty - although not particularly useful, it's still kinda neat.
Anyway, find quines in, uh, many languages at The Quine Page.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
It should be noted that if evil bit (RFC 3514) is used with TCP by Pigeon (RFC 1149), evil bit is dropped. In fact, a lot of evil bits are dropped
For those not so programming-savvy (i.e. me, 5 minutes ago), a quine is "a program that generates a copy of its own source text as its complete output."
Apparently Douglas Hofstadter (of GEB fame)coined the phrase after logician Willard van Orman Quine.
For more see: http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/quine.htm
Excuse me for "hanging" this on your funny-post, but the FDD-RAID project is just soo funny and I'd like more people to see it.
(Really, with people posting "what's vorbis?" with every Vorbis story, I'm sure there must be persons out there for which this is new)
"[...]April 1st. (I believe you may have seen something on Slashdot about it.) "
Yes, but could you please post a full story on it.
What did the very last guy say in Steve Bellovin's update? The guy from Microsoft? Sorry but my browser came up with a message "Error: content blocked (RFC3514)". Please tell...
What the hell is all that about?
I didn't even know (or maybe chose to forget) about this Super-DMCA crap.
What states has this passed in? It seems overly broad in scope and extremely scary. According to the article the laws are mainly meant for people hacking satellite and cable services. But damn, they're so broad it makes all sorts of things illegal.
I find it completely bizzare that this is even going on... How stupid are our (US) government leaders?!
The ratio of people to cake is too big
There are no AOL users on the Internet there will never be, never!. AOL users are commiting suicide at the gateways of the internet and we will contune to encourage more suicides. AOL has never had any share of the market and at the moment is a small stupid little company that has no power what so ever. AOL never distrubited CD's or floppies. The author of the article is a liar. These are lies! lies i tell you!
-Mhmd al-sharif, former iraqi information minister
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
Good Afternoon,
What or who determines the "evilness" or "goodness" of the packet? If a security admin or OS can determine or flag bits as good, what keeps the hacker from spoofing this process by setting the bit to "good"? Does the bit change based on behavior? Or maybe a database with signatures of "bad" bits?
(name deleted)
Microsoft Corporation
Now I understand why Microsoft products have troubled security records..... I don't think I will be buying your products any time soon....
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... that Microsoft employees are extremely devoted to RFCs and all public standards. Here's a Microsoft employee who, in good faith, researched and tried to contribute to the development of a new RFC - all this before (s)he even got and read the manager's memo saying it was April 1st.
Am I the only person who assumes Apple Computers would keep the name of Universal if they were to buy the record company, therefore flying under the radar. The agreement with Apple Corps was to avoid confusion in the marketplace. If the music products still carried the Universal name, wouldn't Apple Computers be in the clear even if they were the parent company?
Nothing from nowhere I'm no one at all
let's see... your country 'elected' a terrorist bent on the destruction of women and children at great cost of life to American soldiers.. he can't pronounce common English words, despite that English is ostensibly his mother tongue.... the DMCA effectively revokes 'free speech' yet Americans in general seem not to care beyond a not-so-vocal minority.. the PATRIOT Act effectively allows your Gestapo (or equivalent - is that the FBI?) to arrest and detain any 'citizen' without trial indefinitely.. I'd say your leaders aren't the only stupid ones, friend. Ouch.
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Slashback tonight brings updates and clarifications on ... the Evil Bit RFC
Nooooooo! Make it stop!
deus does not exist but if he does
I guess it's correct becuase the firewall rejects packets with the evil bit!
Reason: Please use fewer 'junk' characters.
Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
If it won't make it through the lameness filter, how does it get posted as a non-lame story?
If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
Granted, the motors in floppy drives are pretty weak... but each drive contains two stepper motors, one uni-directional servo motor, at least 3 input switches (either optical or mechanical), and all the electronics to drive them!
The whole thing can be controlled with simple pulses to the various pins on the cable connector, which means an old floppy drive is a cheap (free) way to add motor controls to any microcontroller project, or even drive it with the PC's printer port. Ideal for science fair projects and other low-low budget / non critical / fun stuff.
Here and here are just some of many examples.
Fun fun!
=Smidge=
You can try ... but those two don't mix... ... right after you rip, and right before you burn...
Or I guess you could say they do
Since the days of the death of MFM hard drives I've been stripping dead drives of their platters and using them for wind chimes. The platters resonate with crystal clear tones when struck against each other, and I've never had one I couldn't use from notebook drives to IDE/SCSI drives.
Besides the usual nylon line and a wooden dowel or two for the upper support, you do need a few different type of screwdriver bits, since most drives use odd shaped star/torx screwheads. If you have any trouble just grab a drill and destroy the screws, at this stage who cares about what the case ends up looking like. And a final tip, you may want to spray the platters with a thin clear coat if your putting them outside.
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This is as opposed to hard disks, where the platter is actually hard (if you ever disassemble a HD, you'll notice those platters are pretty heavy duty). Even though the 3.5" disk's case is rigid, the disk itself is floppy, which is what makes them floppy disks.
Does anyone know if Zip disks are floppy or hard?
-If
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One response was rather, umm, "interesting". I never knew that RFCs could inspire this sort of thought.
I was reading your info about the proposed RFC and my mind and fingers strayed to check out my own evil bit...
I've just got my breath back. Shouldn't there be a health warning about playing with your own bits?
let's see... your country 'elected' a terrorist bent on the destruction of women and children at great cost of life to American soldiers..
;)
Hey, come on now. Not even Saddam Hussein or Hitler were "bent" on torture and destruction. They were just brutal enough to resort to such caustic methods.
Bush is willing to resort to torturing "terrorists" and starting a war to take out said "terrorists" and their friendly secular tyrant--the women and children and soldiers who die are, if not myth, collateral damage.
he can't pronounce common English words, despite that English is ostensibly his mother tongue....
Acutally, my own critizisms of Bush stem less from his inability to perfectly pronounce technical terms (and "terrahr"), and more from his word-choice and poor delivery... but we have to give him some credit, he's a texan.
the DMCA effectively revokes 'free speech' yet Americans in general seem not to care beyond a not-so-vocal minority..
No. The DMCA limits (a bit too harshly) some specific speach. It no more eliminates free speech than any other restrain on what you can say when to whom wihtout consequence.
Oh, and it was signed by Clinton. The DMCA is law--Chapter 12, Title 17, USC.
the PATRIOT Act effectively allows your Gestapo (or equivalent - is that the FBI?) to arrest and detain any 'citizen' without trial indefinitely..
You mean any "terrorist." The FBI has to believe (and proove to someone, even if only their superiors) that the suspect is a terrorist.
Of course M$ can be trusted. They can be trusted to be evil!
LIES LIES ! Sosume was STOLEN from a popular videogame. (Crystal Quest?) with nothing changed in the sound effect.
Sosume had to do with the author of the shareware game. nothing else. Why you got modded to +5 on a lie is beyond me.
ARRRRRRRGHHHH!!!
Yes, Paul thought it had a ring to it, too. It's been a sub-division of EMI since just before Revolver.
m ismism), we created Subafilms for our toonery attempts at an animaty-musi-movie.
John and I, however, used a later song, and out of that (in dual non-pseudo-semi-indirecty-partnery-sub-divisionis
--Ringo
"Yeah...it was the numbers that were irrational, not the murderous cult of vegetarians...." -- Hippasus of Metapontum
Too bad model rocketry is now illegal or he just might be able to make them fly like he wants.
I tried for 5 years to come up with a clever sig...only to realize that I am not clever.
Hey, it sounded good to me. Why not? ;-)
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If I actually could spell I'd have spelled it right in the first place.
0x00 - If set to 0, the packet has no evil intent, as it was sent by a Microsoft product. There is no need for any security measures as all Microsoft products are inherently secure.
0x01 - If set to 1, the packet may have no evil intent other than taking away market share from Microsoft and should be regarded with suspicion. These packets should be randomly dropped by all Microsoft products and blame put on the third party vendor.
0x10 - If set to 2, the packet MAY have evil intent, but since it comes from a Microsoft product, there is no need for any security measures as all Microsoft products are inherently secure. Any Microsoft product that receives this packet should be setup to automatically notify Microsoft marketing and it's legal staff to start blaming Open Source software in the media.
0x11 - If set to 3, the packet has evil intent since it comes from a third party, most likely an Open Source developer. All packets should be dropped immediately, any Microsoft product that receives this packet should be setup to automatically notify Microsoft marketing and it's legal staff to start blaming Open Source software in the media.
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- Douglas Adams
I believe you may have seen something on Slashdot about it
Die....seriously....repost whores.
"The saddest words of mice and men, are not those which were, but should have been."
Maybe the MS guy/gal was just playing along. I would have thought it would be a weak attempt, but two weeks laters (s)he is still getting people.
It is pretty easy to write a quine in the sense of "a program that prints its own source code", just open the file that contains the source code and dump it to stdout.
This is not what über-coders think of as a quine, because it is a cheat, but it is (probably) what you want if you're producing a nanomachine that replicates itself. You don't want to reproduce the current state (which would lead to evolution and inevitably, if you believe Scott McNealy, gray goo) but the original state.
It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
It's not that hard, really. And, if you think it is some great deep programming secret, you're going to be disappointed when you actually go look at a quine and see how it's done. A certain classic Turing Award acceptance speech starts off the speech with probably one of the easiest-to-understand quines there is.
Now go away and do it yourself, in some language. The end of this post is going to contain a quine-like construct, and I'd hate to give the secret away to someone who still wanted to discover it themselves.
Quines, or rather quine-like logic, do have actual current applications, though I can't think of one off the top of my head that isn't malicious.
Assuming this'll get past the lameness filter, here's a short piece of code that you should never, ever, ever execute on a lambda-derived moo. Ever. It's essentially a one-line fork bomb. The only way I know of killing it is by temporarily disabling $string_utils:print. It's technically not a quine, though its core is certianly quine-like.
http://www.jumpstation.co.uk/x-disk/x-disk.html
Worryingly some ppl think its real
ERR 411[Max number of witty sigs reached]
I expect the RFC author knows to check its headers to verify the source IP addr; it's not exactly rocket science.
Jesus of Nazareth did not die so we could enjoy eggs and chocolate bunnies!
No, but he would have enjoyed eggs and chocolate bunnies.
What self-respecting geek could pass up the chance to call it a "Light Side/Dark Side" bit! This "Steve Bellovin" sounds like a lightweight luser to me!
Anyway, how much evil can one bit do anyway? Perhaps it's only a quasi-evil bit.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Silicon Valley used to be a major fruit producing region. One of those fruits was apples, one of the Steves worked at an apple orchard.
Plus the garden of eden, and Newton and the apple symbolism.
Folding..
Cursing..
Exporting..
Sounds like the business plan of the Origami Boulder guy!
Got my Sun Microsystems crackheads mixed up.
It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
http://www.geocities.com/floppydiscrecycler/ This is his crappy geocities mirror for now, so go slashdot that too :)
Oddly enough, this guy is one of my roomates and he was bored one night and decided to create something from floppies like the enterprise he saw on some other website. You should see the mess he made.
Oh yeah, way to go Mike! :)
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