Their website is terrible, it always has been. Many dealerships often won't even have "Polaris" in their name which throws things off even more. Small motor dealers often carry multiple lines and it's just the same for Honda or the other manufactures.
I just happened to recall the northern Alaska / Canadian dealerships in particular with all the stuff I had to go through compared to a typical place. For many of those dealerships at the time it was literally the first time they had ever seen a computer. Needless to say it was a good learning experience with lessons that served me years later for places like oil rigs in the Indian Ocean and strip mines in the outback in Australia.
What I found amusing was how many Harley dealers bought the first year Victory motorcycles the year they came out. They only made 2000 the first year and each dealership was only allocated one a piece as a rule of thumb. We had over 600 Harley dealerships we counted where the dealer owner purchased the bike personally before it ever hit the sales floor.
Your not looking very hard. I'll start with a little town called Barrow Alaska. I think we can both agree that it is in the Arctic Circle. They also have a Polaris dealership.
Eskimos Inc Polaris PO Box 1273 Barrow , AK 99723 907-852-8000
If you really want you can look things up directly on Polaris's website. As I said I worked there, I dealt with the dealerships for a couple of years. They also have dealerships in arctic circle in Canada. They have dealerships that operate under everything from Harley Davidson motorcycle shops to general stores. While you always had a limited amount of dealer to dealer sales, we sold directly to dealerships in almost every town northern Alaska and Canada.
I'm not quite sure what point your trying to prove here.
We sent equipment to anyplace that had a Polaris dealership. Nome was a particular dealer that came to mind as I had to deal with them more than once. We certainly had dealerships in the Arctic circle as we were the effective equivalent of the local car dealership up there (and Canada).
I'm not arguing the extreme cold is extremely hard on the equipment. Facebook isn't doing the oilfield type of conditions, they are shipping equipment down a highway to a heated data center which is very different from the conditions you describe.
I have had to ship equipment by dogsled in the winter when we couldn't get a plane in. Motorized vehicles had to be electronically registered within 2 days of sale. I call that interesting - it was also more expensive than small plane delivery.
Very true. I had a dell repair tech keep my laptop (unauthorized) for repair in his car over the weekend once in a cold snap in the winter. He froze and shattered the screen. I ended up with a new laptop from Dell when all was said and done.
Early in my career I worked for Polaris and used to arrange deliveries of computers to places in the Arctic circle. We took a number of precautions keep the equipment from getting destroyed by the extreme cold. We never kept things in a heated container though and I was shipping computers to places like Nome Alaska. We never shipped anything in a heated truck though.
I can certainly understand that people from warmer climates won't understand how to drive during an ice storm or how to recover from a skid. These are things that come from experience with exposure to a certain climate.
I will answer your question as I wasn't trolling. I think everyone should know consider this obvious because condensation is elementary physics. When you consider that I am on a technology site with a notable science influence it's the kind of thing I just expect that people would know.
This isn't anything new, anytime you take something from the extreme cold and bring it inside you risk condensation. This is usually dealt with by simply letting something sit at room temperature for several hours before powering it on.
In the middle of January if you take a freezing cold delivery and power it on right away and fry your new (XXXXXX) you deserve to void your warranty. There is no excuse for stupidity. Why is this on slashdot as news?
Did a bunch of work with some stock exchanges a few years back. It was an interesting environment and I see that CERN had the same problems that the stock exchanges had. They even had the where the number one budgetary item wasn't cost but electric load.
You only had so much power physically available in the data centers next to the exchanges and server rooms inside them. Monetary cost was never an issue, but electric load was everything. It seems funny considering their load is strictly a science based load and not monetary, but their requirements and distribution remind me greatly of the exchanges.
My guess is that the demand for compensation came in from someone's attorneys to Microsoft's headquarters and Microsoft jumped at the excuse political opportunity to change the name. Backed by Metro being hard to trademark as it's used by municipalities worldwide for mass transit and the name change was a shoe in from the legal side.
Marketing had a problem in that Metro already had a god awful reputation in the market. Enterprises won't touch Windows 8 because Microsoft forces the Metro interface as the default interface. They are simply trying to soften the blow of forcing the world to use the Metro interface by default whether they want to or not.
Think about it, they are betting one of the worlds largest companies on an interface that is universally loathed if your not on a tablet. This may well be the largest bet in history.
Should science drop the "Climate Change" mantra and get back to basics like pollution and sustainability? I believe climate change has become a political boogeyman and that science would be better off focusing on more clearly defined goals (making renewable energy usage more affordable etc).
The article is alarmist and inflated. Doing this would require access to a 3D printer which alone would cost far more than the what your trying to make. While 3D printer are great for making small one off parts, they are far from practical for equipping an army. In the real world it would be far cheaper to go out and buy all of your guns than to start making your own in your garage with a 3D printer.
Even if you had a 3D printer (say you stole it) you still have logistical issues like manufacturing parts like the barrel (which many gun manufacturers themselves don't do due to the complexities and quality requirements involved). Your parts would have to durable not to explode under stress from the pressures of firing and precise enough to fit together.
Far easier, cheaper and safer for the law abiding or criminal to get a 'real' gun the old fashioned way. Just like any other matter, logistics dictate that certain things are done certain ways. Homebrew is great for beer, but that doesn't mean co-worker that makes a keg of beer once a month is going to be competing with the big boys anytime soon...
Keyboards and mice are one thing Microsoft has always done right, what happened? Even in their darkest days, I could get even the most zealous of Linux diehard users to admit that they made some of the best mice and keyboards around. This is especially important when you want ergonomic products to avoid injuring your wrists! Apple made the puck and microsoft makes the wedge. Google, please don't make the square, if you do I will mock you forever, ok?
Look, copying Apple with a design over function is not always a good thing ok? Simple isn't always better, sometimes functional and usable really is more important ok? Grr
/arrow keys in the Android keyboard - where did they go? My list of examples could go on and on. People need to quit assuming that apple does things better just because their apple and do their own thing. dammit.
This is a really bad idea across the board. First you would have to get a bunch of web sites to agree on a set of standards - really have you looked at what clusterf*ck most standards have turned into? Assuming you can somehow make the first one happen with the blessing of the FSM on the second harvest moon of the year you still have a problem.
You have now just made/any/ website that did somehow join your standard much more profitable. Why? Users are lazy, not only do they share passwords they also typically share user names if they can get away with it.
What's the big deal? Because you find the least secure website that follows your password schema and you crack it. You now have the passwords and user names and email address for a low rent web site. However since your have conveniently set your password tool to share passwords (and assumedly user names that attach to those passwords) you have a bigger problem. Now your black hat is going to take a select few user names and passwords and log into much more valuable websites.
Think of it as cracking the combination to the bank vault by figuring out the combination the bank managers personal bike lock. Bad idea, I hope it dies in a fire.
I don't think my post lasted 5 minutes before being modded into oblivion by the apple fanboi base. Dare to speak against the holy temple? Troll! Is there truth in what you say? Doesn't matter, bury it anyways!!!!!
Ghandi said it best. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win".
/refuses to conform to group think and give apple a pass on bad corporate behavior just because they make shiny things.
Any company that blatantly chooses profit over the environment when the know better should be prohibited from using the word "Green" in any marketing manner until they repent. Dropping out of epeat to avoid making the new macbook pro service / upgrade friendly (at a cost of less than a millimeter)?
Apple, you are not an eco friendly company and need called on the carpet for the hypocrites that you are! Repent and change your ways, you are but green heathens!
People get to hung up on increasing the fuel economy of their small car by another 2mpg. That isn't where the savings are needed. The savings are needed in larger vehicles that real people who don't drive econo boxes like to drive. Vehicles like suv's, trucks and mini-vans that too often struggle to even get 20 mpg.
A 2mpg increase for an SUV is much more relevant than a 2mpg increase for a prius or a cruze. If you really want to be effective go after vehicles like garbage trucks, they only get 2mpg to begin with.
And one really big hint, if you want people who drive large vehicles to improve the fuel economy of the vehicles that they drive. Quit antagonizing them and try meeting their perceived needs without judging them for how they perceive their needs. For some reason people seem to think that antagonizing people is a great way to get them to change their view on things like their choice in vehicles./drives a low emission car and was driving very high mpg cars for years before they politically correct.
Responding to AC, but I'm on lunch break and have a moment to swat a bug. My post isn't misleading at all, it's rather direct, the fact that you disagree with it doesn't make it misleading, it just means you have an different opinion. It's the Internet, it's okay to have different opinions. Heck, being the Internet you'll even find posts of mine that are negative of banks.
I am certainly no friend of wikileaks, your right about that. I have spent a fair part of my career doing things like safegaurding private data like medical records, financial data, private student data and all kinds of other data that you don't want leaked. Funny that, someone who has a career in keeping private things private doesn't support leaking private things into the public. But hey, who am I to say whether or not your/private/ data gets to be leaked onto the Internet for everyone to look at.
Valitor has a choice. Suicide by disconnecting from the international market, or suicide it's way out of of Iceland and exit their market. I wonder how many payment processing companies will be destroyed by the court before Iceland realizes just how dumb this court order is?
We need to stop fighting "change" for the sake of fighting "change". The only thing that has been constant in the history of our planet from snowball earth to tropical conditions in the polar regions is that things "change". We need to stop fighting global warming / cooling / climate change and move away from the greatest red herring in history. Change can and will happen again, the concept of "normal" is a manufactured human concept that exists only because we are good at tracking things. Normal is a relative term.
We need to get back to basics and focus on things like pollution, living sustainably, recycling, improving technology and doing things like calling out Apple for dropping out of Epeat. You want to make a real environmental difference? Forget about carbon and focus on making a hybrid garbage truck that is affordable, have a Manhattan project for Thorium reactors, shut down coal power plants, focus on practical things like standardization of chargers for cell phones and putting teeth into standards like epeat.
WW2, the bombing of Japan. Compare the numbers killed against the number killed elsewhere by conventional bombs. I'll give you a hint, start by going to google and put in 'firebomb & Tokyo'.
The cold reality is that nukes ended a world war that 8+ millions lives short of where it would have ended without them. MAD will has worked since the day the first nukes were dropped (we were gearing up for WW3 against the Soviets when we were still fighting WW2).
MAD works, however MAD only works because rational people realize the folly of using nukes in combat. At that point you are correct about the tables turning quite quickly in a regional setting. A crazy country like Iran is immune to MAD because they are incapable of rational foreign policy. This is why non-proliferation is critical, because without it you move from rational countries to crazy countries.
I was trying to get you to get off your lazy butt and do your own basic research by pointing you in the right direction. Go back the source I sent you, or find another one if you like. I have already researched this topic, it's something you can do. Asking someone else to do you own homework is sheer laziness - especially when I pointed you in the right direction to begin with. Add up the etc.
Let's put this in perspective. Please note that I am including civilian deaths and not just soldiers in these numbers.
The Korean war killed 3 million. The Vietnam war killed 4.2 million. Afghanistan wars killed 1.8 million. (Soviet and American) The three wars you named together combine to about 7 million. Those three wars alone are less than the Congo Free State war or about on par with the holocaust. Their combined totals come to less than half of WW1 and a mere fraction of world war 2. The body count really is over a 100 million ahead just in the 20th century.
The site I have referred you to is a pretty good site with sources. Take some time to study it and look at the number for yourself.
Love it or hate it, MAD is the most successful peace program this world has ever known. I know a lot of the anti-nuke zealots out there while immediately shout "but, they could kill whole cities, hundreds of thousands of millions could die".
History will tell you that conventional arms are leading that race by well over a hundred million just in the last century alone. Because of nukes the cold war remained cold and never became hot. Pick a body count site and look at the body count from the number of people killed before, during and after the cold war.
I'm on the pro-nuke side of this argument and my body count is many, many millions less than the other side of the argument. The bottom line is that the cold war with it's policy of MAD was the most peaceful period in human history.
It really boils down to one idea, and you have to make a simple value judgement to know which side of the argument to sit on. Is the concept of nuclear free/peace/ in the air more important than the reality of millions of dead bodies in the ground? Try as you might, the one thing you can never change is human nature.
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Good point, the entire idea of NSFW is at @W part. I would just assume keep a distinct separation of such things as well. For that matter if I'm at home I don't care to be reminded about what I'm working on either./Technology fail, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.
Brilliant brainstorm, save the most important piece of democratic legislation written in decades by calling it a tax. The fact that a conservative Republican is the one that came up with this is true irony.
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Their website is terrible, it always has been. Many dealerships often won't even have "Polaris" in their name which throws things off even more. Small motor dealers often carry multiple lines and it's just the same for Honda or the other manufactures.
I just happened to recall the northern Alaska / Canadian dealerships in particular with all the stuff I had to go through compared to a typical place. For many of those dealerships at the time it was literally the first time they had ever seen a computer. Needless to say it was a good learning experience with lessons that served me years later for places like oil rigs in the Indian Ocean and strip mines in the outback in Australia.
What I found amusing was how many Harley dealers bought the first year Victory motorcycles the year they came out. They only made 2000 the first year and each dealership was only allocated one a piece as a rule of thumb. We had over 600 Harley dealerships we counted where the dealer owner purchased the bike personally before it ever hit the sales floor.
Your not looking very hard. I'll start with a little town called Barrow Alaska. I think we can both agree that it is in the Arctic Circle. They also have a Polaris dealership.
Eskimos Inc Polaris
PO Box 1273
Barrow , AK 99723
907-852-8000
If you really want you can look things up directly on Polaris's website. As I said I worked there, I dealt with the dealerships for a couple of years. They also have dealerships in arctic circle in Canada. They have dealerships that operate under everything from Harley Davidson motorcycle shops to general stores. While you always had a limited amount of dealer to dealer sales, we sold directly to dealerships in almost every town northern Alaska and Canada.
I'm not quite sure what point your trying to prove here.
We sent equipment to anyplace that had a Polaris dealership. Nome was a particular dealer that came to mind as I had to deal with them more than once. We certainly had dealerships in the Arctic circle as we were the effective equivalent of the local car dealership up there (and Canada).
I'm not arguing the extreme cold is extremely hard on the equipment. Facebook isn't doing the oilfield type of conditions, they are shipping equipment down a highway to a heated data center which is very different from the conditions you describe.
I have had to ship equipment by dogsled in the winter when we couldn't get a plane in. Motorized vehicles had to be electronically registered within 2 days of sale. I call that interesting - it was also more expensive than small plane delivery.
Very true. I had a dell repair tech keep my laptop (unauthorized) for repair in his car over the weekend once in a cold snap in the winter. He froze and shattered the screen. I ended up with a new laptop from Dell when all was said and done.
Early in my career I worked for Polaris and used to arrange deliveries of computers to places in the Arctic circle. We took a number of precautions keep the equipment from getting destroyed by the extreme cold. We never kept things in a heated container though and I was shipping computers to places like Nome Alaska. We never shipped anything in a heated truck though.
I can certainly understand that people from warmer climates won't understand how to drive during an ice storm or how to recover from a skid. These are things that come from experience with exposure to a certain climate.
I will answer your question as I wasn't trolling. I think everyone should know consider this obvious because condensation is elementary physics. When you consider that I am on a technology site with a notable science influence it's the kind of thing I just expect that people would know.
This isn't anything new, anytime you take something from the extreme cold and bring it inside you risk condensation. This is usually dealt with by simply letting something sit at room temperature for several hours before powering it on.
In the middle of January if you take a freezing cold delivery and power it on right away and fry your new (XXXXXX) you deserve to void your warranty. There is no excuse for stupidity. Why is this on slashdot as news?
Did a bunch of work with some stock exchanges a few years back. It was an interesting environment and I see that CERN had the same problems that the stock exchanges had. They even had the where the number one budgetary item wasn't cost but electric load.
You only had so much power physically available in the data centers next to the exchanges and server rooms inside them. Monetary cost was never an issue, but electric load was everything. It seems funny considering their load is strictly a science based load and not monetary, but their requirements and distribution remind me greatly of the exchanges.
My guess is that the demand for compensation came in from someone's attorneys to Microsoft's headquarters and Microsoft jumped at the excuse political opportunity to change the name. Backed by Metro being hard to trademark as it's used by municipalities worldwide for mass transit and the name change was a shoe in from the legal side.
Marketing had a problem in that Metro already had a god awful reputation in the market. Enterprises won't touch Windows 8 because Microsoft forces the Metro interface as the default interface. They are simply trying to soften the blow of forcing the world to use the Metro interface by default whether they want to or not.
Think about it, they are betting one of the worlds largest companies on an interface that is universally loathed if your not on a tablet. This may well be the largest bet in history.
Should science drop the "Climate Change" mantra and get back to basics like pollution and sustainability? I believe climate change has become a political boogeyman and that science would be better off focusing on more clearly defined goals (making renewable energy usage more affordable etc).
The article is alarmist and inflated. Doing this would require access to a 3D printer which alone would cost far more than the what your trying to make. While 3D printer are great for making small one off parts, they are far from practical for equipping an army. In the real world it would be far cheaper to go out and buy all of your guns than to start making your own in your garage with a 3D printer.
Even if you had a 3D printer (say you stole it) you still have logistical issues like manufacturing parts like the barrel (which many gun manufacturers themselves don't do due to the complexities and quality requirements involved). Your parts would have to durable not to explode under stress from the pressures of firing and precise enough to fit together.
Far easier, cheaper and safer for the law abiding or criminal to get a 'real' gun the old fashioned way. Just like any other matter, logistics dictate that certain things are done certain ways. Homebrew is great for beer, but that doesn't mean co-worker that makes a keg of beer once a month is going to be competing with the big boys anytime soon...
Keyboards and mice are one thing Microsoft has always done right, what happened? Even in their darkest days, I could get even the most zealous of Linux diehard users to admit that they made some of the best mice and keyboards around. This is especially important when you want ergonomic products to avoid injuring your wrists! Apple made the puck and microsoft makes the wedge. Google, please don't make the square, if you do I will mock you forever, ok?
Look, copying Apple with a design over function is not always a good thing ok? Simple isn't always better, sometimes functional and usable really is more important ok? Grr
/arrow keys in the Android keyboard - where did they go? My list of examples could go on and on. People need to quit assuming that apple does things better just because their apple and do their own thing. dammit.
This is a really bad idea across the board. First you would have to get a bunch of web sites to agree on a set of standards - really have you looked at what clusterf*ck most standards have turned into? Assuming you can somehow make the first one happen with the blessing of the FSM on the second harvest moon of the year you still have a problem.
You have now just made /any/ website that did somehow join your standard much more profitable. Why? Users are lazy, not only do they share passwords they also typically share user names if they can get away with it.
What's the big deal? Because you find the least secure website that follows your password schema and you crack it. You now have the passwords and user names and email address for a low rent web site. However since your have conveniently set your password tool to share passwords (and assumedly user names that attach to those passwords) you have a bigger problem. Now your black hat is going to take a select few user names and passwords and log into much more valuable websites.
Think of it as cracking the combination to the bank vault by figuring out the combination the bank managers personal bike lock. Bad idea, I hope it dies in a fire.
Please tell me the author had as much decency as Jack Daniels and did the right thing by responding with a simple statement along the lines of
"done".
I don't think my post lasted 5 minutes before being modded into oblivion by the apple fanboi base. Dare to speak against the holy temple? Troll! Is there truth in what you say? Doesn't matter, bury it anyways!!!!!
Ghandi said it best. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win".
Apple,
Any company that blatantly chooses profit over the environment when the know better should be prohibited from using the word "Green" in any marketing manner until they repent. Dropping out of epeat to avoid making the new macbook pro service / upgrade friendly (at a cost of less than a millimeter)?
Apple, you are not an eco friendly company and need called on the carpet for the hypocrites that you are! Repent and change your ways, you are but green heathens!
People get to hung up on increasing the fuel economy of their small car by another 2mpg. That isn't where the savings are needed. The savings are needed in larger vehicles that real people who don't drive econo boxes like to drive. Vehicles like suv's, trucks and mini-vans that too often struggle to even get 20 mpg.
A 2mpg increase for an SUV is much more relevant than a 2mpg increase for a prius or a cruze. If you really want to be effective go after vehicles like garbage trucks, they only get 2mpg to begin with.
And one really big hint, if you want people who drive large vehicles to improve the fuel economy of the vehicles that they drive. Quit antagonizing them and try meeting their perceived needs without judging them for how they perceive their needs. For some reason people seem to think that antagonizing people is a great way to get them to change their view on things like their choice in vehicles. /drives a low emission car and was driving very high mpg cars for years before they politically correct.
Responding to AC, but I'm on lunch break and have a moment to swat a bug. My post isn't misleading at all, it's rather direct, the fact that you disagree with it doesn't make it misleading, it just means you have an different opinion. It's the Internet, it's okay to have different opinions. Heck, being the Internet you'll even find posts of mine that are negative of banks.
I am certainly no friend of wikileaks, your right about that. I have spent a fair part of my career doing things like safegaurding private data like medical records, financial data, private student data and all kinds of other data that you don't want leaked. Funny that, someone who has a career in keeping private things private doesn't support leaking private things into the public. But hey, who am I to say whether or not your /private/ data gets to be leaked onto the Internet for everyone to look at.
Valitor has a choice. Suicide by disconnecting from the international market, or suicide it's way out of of Iceland and exit their market. I wonder how many payment processing companies will be destroyed by the court before Iceland realizes just how dumb this court order is?
We need to stop fighting "change" for the sake of fighting "change". The only thing that has been constant in the history of our planet from snowball earth to tropical conditions in the polar regions is that things "change". We need to stop fighting global warming / cooling / climate change and move away from the greatest red herring in history. Change can and will happen again, the concept of "normal" is a manufactured human concept that exists only because we are good at tracking things. Normal is a relative term.
We need to get back to basics and focus on things like pollution, living sustainably, recycling, improving technology and doing things like calling out Apple for dropping out of Epeat. You want to make a real environmental difference? Forget about carbon and focus on making a hybrid garbage truck that is affordable, have a Manhattan project for Thorium reactors, shut down coal power plants, focus on practical things like standardization of chargers for cell phones and putting teeth into standards like epeat.
WW2, the bombing of Japan. Compare the numbers killed against the number killed elsewhere by conventional bombs. I'll give you a hint, start by going to google and put in 'firebomb & Tokyo'.
The cold reality is that nukes ended a world war that 8+ millions lives short of where it would have ended without them. MAD will has worked since the day the first nukes were dropped (we were gearing up for WW3 against the Soviets when we were still fighting WW2).
MAD works, however MAD only works because rational people realize the folly of using nukes in combat. At that point you are correct about the tables turning quite quickly in a regional setting. A crazy country like Iran is immune to MAD because they are incapable of rational foreign policy. This is why non-proliferation is critical, because without it you move from rational countries to crazy countries.
I was trying to get you to get off your lazy butt and do your own basic research by pointing you in the right direction. Go back the source I sent you, or find another one if you like. I have already researched this topic, it's something you can do. Asking someone else to do you own homework is sheer laziness - especially when I pointed you in the right direction to begin with. Add up the etc.
Your still off by a 100 million + dead.
Let's put this in perspective. Please note that I am including civilian deaths and not just soldiers in these numbers.
The Korean war killed 3 million.
The Vietnam war killed 4.2 million.
Afghanistan wars killed 1.8 million. (Soviet and American)
The three wars you named together combine to about 7 million. Those three wars alone are less than the Congo Free State war or about on par with the holocaust. Their combined totals come to less than half of WW1 and a mere fraction of world war 2. The body count really is over a 100 million ahead just in the 20th century.
The site I have referred you to is a pretty good site with sources. Take some time to study it and look at the number for yourself.
Love it or hate it, MAD is the most successful peace program this world has ever known. I know a lot of the anti-nuke zealots out there while immediately shout "but, they could kill whole cities, hundreds of thousands of millions could die".
History will tell you that conventional arms are leading that race by well over a hundred million just in the last century alone. Because of nukes the cold war remained cold and never became hot. Pick a body count site and look at the body count from the number of people killed before, during and after the cold war.
I'm on the pro-nuke side of this argument and my body count is many, many millions less than the other side of the argument. The bottom line is that the cold war with it's policy of MAD was the most peaceful period in human history.
It really boils down to one idea, and you have to make a simple value judgement to know which side of the argument to sit on. Is the concept of nuclear free /peace/ in the air more important than the reality of millions of dead bodies in the ground? Try as you might, the one thing you can never change is human nature.
Good point, the entire idea of NSFW is at @W part. I would just assume keep a distinct separation of such things as well. For that matter if I'm at home I don't care to be reminded about what I'm working on either. /Technology fail, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.
Brilliant brainstorm, save the most important piece of democratic legislation written in decades by calling it a tax. The fact that a conservative Republican is the one that came up with this is true irony.