Option of kernel to install? Interesting. I had heard about Novell going to Linux for Netware 7, but nothing about still having the old one as an available option in nw7. Is this new, because I haven't seen it anywhere? I do want to know as I am presently learning Netware 6 and taking classes for it at night over at college.
It seems counterintuitive to run two different kernels from a support costs standpoint for Novell, heck even MS abandoned multiple kernels that they once supported under NT. As for counting netware as out, Novell released a press release just the other day talking about how they were no longer going to offer it as a stand alone product, so what is the deal with it then? I can't find a straight answer, and what your saying seems to contradict what I'm hearing from Novell. For reference see:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1552521,00. as p
Has to be said, how long until IBM buys out Novell? They haven't exactly done too well these last few years, and Novell has a whole host of patents and IP that would fit in niceley with IBM. Not only that, but if this farce with SCO doesn't get dismissed soon, they would then be the direct owners of those Unix remnants that Novell holds onto.
Novell is moving more and more into Linux, and there next version of Netware is to be Linux based, with no more stand alone netware products they just announced. Novell was once king, as was IBM in it's heydey. Between them they could well become king again.
Thats because the people (roundy's?) who bought out rainbow started asking why people stopped shopping there. The stupid card required for the sale prices ranked/very/ high on the list. It finally donned on them that they lost more sales to the card than they gained in marketing revenue.
As a result they and Cub both promised to never force people to use these cards. Customer backlash was too large. I happen to be one of those people that stopped buying from Rainbow once they started requiring the card, and I was far from alone.
What is needed for the RFID to flourish, and to be accepted for widespread adoption (which would cheapen it through economy of scale) is ironclad legislation that covers these three simple points:
RFID shall only be used against white lists of your own property. Any other reading must be discarded.
RFID shall be prominently labeled, and be removable without destruction, devaluation or vandalism to the item that is attached to. For example, someone here asked, why not just cot off the tag? Answer is that some clothing is now coming tagless.
Warranties shall not require RFID tags in order to be upheld.
RFID is good technology, let's not let it's overwhelming potential for abuse become an issue.
So what? Bunch of asshats decide to make their own propietary self serving system and get pissed when the real thing intrudes on their playground? Tell me, why should I be be sypmathetic? We have standards for reasons and they knowingly ignored them in the name of profit. The pretender will be chased out, I just can't bring myself to care.
You make an interesting point, I think you might be dissapointed to find out I largely agree with it. More wars have been started over religion than any other reason, but it actually isn't the first in sheer numbers of millions killed. I believe it's third right behind communism and fascism. Meanwhile we get nutcases like the one in the linked article that need debunked. Just because there are bigger problems out there doesn't mean we cant squash a few small ones here and there.
Did I ever say that there is no life in the universe? Um, no. I put enough words in my own mouth without you doing it for me. Now calm down, take your meds and re-read what I wrote. I'll quote myself to save you too much trouble.
people like this guy (not saying he's a terrorist) damage the credibility of things like SETI.
Now if I'm concerned about SETI (Search for Extra-Terrestial Life) getting it's reputation damaged, than its obvious that I support the search for life out there. If you browse through enough of my posts over the years chances are you'll find that I posit mathematical odds dictate that there has got to be life out there. There is no undercurrent in my post, I was pretty blunt and upfront about what I had to say. There is nothing fascist about my post either. Debunking an idiot is not fascism, read up on the real thing, OK?
Zealousness is good to a point, but your jumping to conclusions and reading things I never wrote. Theres plenty of interesting real stuff in Astronomy to absorb a lifetime of fascination and learning without having to fabricate material. Fabricating material is fine, so long as it science fiction and labeled as such, some authors such as Isaamov and Clarke have made a successful career out of this. They don't present what their imaginations come up with as fact though, and this guy does. For this he needs debunked.
Why not? They've already proven themselves immune to anti-trust concerns and netscape got the official ax a little bit back. AOL customers are already used to prorietary software and versions of their search and browse capabilities. They're used to prepackaged experiences and very high amounts of ISP marketing.
AOL is a black mark on Time Warner, and they would love to get rid of it. This would vastly increase MS penenatration in the broadband markets and they can expand their strict policies on what can get on the Internet. MS has the cash, AOL has the customers of the type they so desperately want. It's a marraige made in hell. I predict this goes through.
People like this nutcase must be debunked for the damage they do to serious astronomy. By allowing this kind of infestation to manifest just because you know how ridiculous it is you end up giving credibility simply by way of not having debunked it. Much as eco-terrorists like ELF and ALF damage the environmental cause, people like this guy (not saying he's a terrorist) damage the credibility of things like SETI.
Think how many people now believe in crap like Roswell and little green men. Now think how people like this make it hard for the public to take this science seriously. The idiot wants pr, but by not giving him the smackdown he so desperately needs, they'll get unearned credibility instead. The lack of pr will of course just be proof of a conspiracy against them.
Just think, to believe this guy you'd have to accept that we've spent hundreds of millions of dollars just on this one one mission to look for signs of life and that we would then turn around and ignore it when we found it. Too bad they don't teach logic in schools anymore.
When doing field support I've always had to have two cell phones. One is the companies and the other is the personal. Between service level variations, dead batteries, and the need to be really available, it just has to happen. Now I can understand they dont want camera phones, and I'm looking right now for a replacement cell without the camera due to the sensitive nature of the IT world.
How long ago was it that a lot of companies were death on anyone ever using a company phone for personal calls? Now that people can do that, and are doing it, you'd think they'd be happy. The only reasons I can think of are camera phones and the inability to legally monitor your personal phone. Cameras are reasonable enough, but that only leaves a desire to monitor all your communications. Unless your a stock broker type where law (I think) dictates it, there is no valid reason for this.
Yes I was commenting on the sad state of affairs on such fear of lawsuits. This makes sense, I may not like it, but I understand it. My issue is that after everything their investigation turned up, they couldn't even say "don't buy here". I understand why they didn't claim the business practices fraud, they gave enough facts on that point for people to decide for themselves.
The lack of an outright fraud claim wasn't my issue though. The investigation was good, the story fell short at the end though. Again I ask my valid question, what does it take to get a do not buy recommendation from THG?
Its amazing how far something has to go for a business to be considered fraudulent. Is it possible to get warnings like this before they end up in court or handcuffs? If all of this investigation only garners a buyer beware warning, what does it take to get a do not buy warning? I can understand the aversion to calling out fraud, but THG can only build the credibility by taking a stand and telling people don't buy from these guys.
I'm not trying to be overly harsh on THG. I applaud them for being willing to investigate like they did, the industry can only benefit by removing fraudsters. A few bad mechanics have given most mechanics reputations that they don't deserve, and the computer industry needs to avoid this.
Review sites, remember that your job is as much about telling people what they should not buy as it is about what they should. How many people stopped respecting PC World (once upon a time highly respected) after they endorsed Windows Me?
Thanks for answering. For whatever its worth you guys did an excellent job. Please understand my original grandfather post was an attempt to give proper credit, I certainly wouldn't try to give credit to the wrong party. I checked out your link, that is helpful.
I've had some stuff plagarized over the years as well, so I understand wanting credit. Just curious, did you guys only do your original version you supplied the link to, or have you occasionaly updated it? I'm thinking of something along the lines of Peters evil overlord list here.
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Europa is already highly radioactive. It's around 19 Mrads thanks to this thing we call Jupiter. Saying that a radioactive probe could potentialy destroy any life already there is akin to saying that my bottle of water could kill off life in the pacific. Its people like the poster of this story that the website about "dihydrogen monoxide" is meant to catch.
Does this mean the cover will require a special tool only given to factory certified repair shops? While it refuse to print some things that aren't color coordinated, and just go ahead and use your credit card when it wants fresh ink?
So when will manufactures stop perpetuating myths that woman are too stupid for technology? For that matter why do I know so many woman that play at being stupid with technology? Ugh. Its a self propogating clusterfuck.
Interesting, thank you. I recall hearing about unintended bacterial growth when NASA picked up something left behind (camera?) on a previous moon mission. If such contamination has occured, which I think sounds plausible, than would we be able to trace it to Earth?
I'm certainly not claiming to have originated it myself, so I can't substantiate the claim of the site I linked. Would you happen to have a copy of one of those old fliers laying around? I would love to see it. If they were the ones that originaly came up with it, than props to them, they did an incredible job.
Except by the time that software starts to take "advantage" of this on a meaningful level you wont have any viable non trusted options. From Cisco routers that will only route trusted packets to motherboards only available with a DRM BIOS, there wont be anywhere else to turn. Especially if Longhorn requires it to run properly.
Personly, I think this is the reason for the long delay on longhorn, given them years to get the DRM enforcing hardware embedded in the market first. People wont worry at first because no software will make use of this until the channel has pretty well filtered out the old boards. By the time the software like longhorn is released that will "need" this, there isn't anywhere to turn. Give people a choice and they wont choose the DRM friendly option, so the idea is to take away the choice, that's what the fuss is about.
Interesting point. We do of course lose bits of our atmoshere into space. We also gain bits of mass everyday from small meteorites that constantly impact the planet. I wonder if we lose total planetary mass or gain it in an average year? Any astronomers know this one?
I'm pretty certain the planet will be eaten by the sun before we lose our atmosphere though - so nothing to worry about:)
Since the point was brought up, I checked the MSDS and verified that indeed pure oxygen isn't flammable. It is of course required for flame, and things burn better when their is a higher concentration of oxygen available.
My point was about the cancer label on pure oxygen. I just recalled some kind of flammable warning of about the same size on the container. If you really wanted to check it out, just stop by Home depot, I'm sure they still sell the same brand.
What really worries me is the unannounced DRM / Trusted Computing BIOS boards that will be coming out. Since this is an anti-consumer feature, and the BIOS companies know it, they don't want to impede their rollout with a consumer backlash.
I recall something about one of the Phoenix guys saying that the consumer was not their customer, the media companies were. DRM put directly into the BIOS, with no option to get a motherboard without it is going to be a real issue. Reminds me of when all the local banks in my area added thumbprint for check cashing on the same day. You couldn't bring your business elsewhere because they all did it.
I believe this is the original. The page slashdot linked to is just someone rehashing the idea and putting up a different take on it. The person running the link I provided claims to have had their page up for a decade and on gopher for several years before that. So yes, you could say fraud for the slashdot linked website, but the original is 100% factual, and I give them the credit.
Reminds me of an oxygen canister I saw at home depot a little bit ago. It carried a warning label on it stating that oxygen was known to cause cancer in the state of california. This label was about as big as the one letting you know that it was flammable.
The beauty of this site and the others that perpetuate this is that it is 100% factual. Exposed inhalation will kill you, you'll drown. It is a critical ingredient in acid rain, it does react explosively with certain chemicals etc.
Its designed to catch people with knee jerk reactions that cant be bothered to do even a brief investigation of the facts. Its a way of showing the people that are always claiming the sky is falling for the fools that they are.
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Option of kernel to install? Interesting. I had heard about Novell going to Linux for Netware 7, but nothing about still having the old one as an available option in nw7. Is this new, because I haven't seen it anywhere? I do want to know as I am presently learning Netware 6 and taking classes for it at night over at college.
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It seems counterintuitive to run two different kernels from a support costs standpoint for Novell, heck even MS abandoned multiple kernels that they once supported under NT. As for counting netware as out, Novell released a press release just the other day talking about how they were no longer going to offer it as a stand alone product, so what is the deal with it then? I can't find a straight answer, and what your saying seems to contradict what I'm hearing from Novell. For reference see:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1552521,00
Has to be said, how long until IBM buys out Novell? They haven't exactly done too well these last few years, and Novell has a whole host of patents and IP that would fit in niceley with IBM. Not only that, but if this farce with SCO doesn't get dismissed soon, they would then be the direct owners of those Unix remnants that Novell holds onto.
Novell is moving more and more into Linux, and there next version of Netware is to be Linux based, with no more stand alone netware products they just announced. Novell was once king, as was IBM in it's heydey. Between them they could well become king again.
Thats because the people (roundy's?) who bought out rainbow started asking why people stopped shopping there. The stupid card required for the sale prices ranked /very/ high on the list. It finally donned on them that they lost more sales to the card than they gained in marketing revenue.
As a result they and Cub both promised to never force people to use these cards. Customer backlash was too large. I happen to be one of those people that stopped buying from Rainbow once they started requiring the card, and I was far from alone.
What is needed for the RFID to flourish, and to be accepted for widespread adoption (which would cheapen it through economy of scale) is ironclad legislation that covers these three simple points:
RFID shall only be used against white lists of your own property. Any other reading must be discarded.
RFID shall be prominently labeled, and be removable without destruction, devaluation or vandalism to the item that is attached to. For example, someone here asked, why not just cot off the tag? Answer is that some clothing is now coming tagless.
Warranties shall not require RFID tags in order to be upheld.
RFID is good technology, let's not let it's overwhelming potential for abuse become an issue.
So what? Bunch of asshats decide to make their own propietary self serving system and get pissed when the real thing intrudes on their playground? Tell me, why should I be be sypmathetic? We have standards for reasons and they knowingly ignored them in the name of profit. The pretender will be chased out, I just can't bring myself to care.
You make an interesting point, I think you might be dissapointed to find out I largely agree with it. More wars have been started over religion than any other reason, but it actually isn't the first in sheer numbers of millions killed. I believe it's third right behind communism and fascism. Meanwhile we get nutcases like the one in the linked article that need debunked. Just because there are bigger problems out there doesn't mean we cant squash a few small ones here and there.
Now if I'm concerned about SETI (Search for Extra-Terrestial Life) getting it's reputation damaged, than its obvious that I support the search for life out there. If you browse through enough of my posts over the years chances are you'll find that I posit mathematical odds dictate that there has got to be life out there. There is no undercurrent in my post, I was pretty blunt and upfront about what I had to say. There is nothing fascist about my post either. Debunking an idiot is not fascism, read up on the real thing, OK?
Zealousness is good to a point, but your jumping to conclusions and reading things I never wrote. Theres plenty of interesting real stuff in Astronomy to absorb a lifetime of fascination and learning without having to fabricate material. Fabricating material is fine, so long as it science fiction and labeled as such, some authors such as Isaamov and Clarke have made a successful career out of this. They don't present what their imaginations come up with as fact though, and this guy does. For this he needs debunked.
Why not? They've already proven themselves immune to anti-trust concerns and netscape got the official ax a little bit back. AOL customers are already used to prorietary software and versions of their search and browse capabilities. They're used to prepackaged experiences and very high amounts of ISP marketing.
AOL is a black mark on Time Warner, and they would love to get rid of it. This would vastly increase MS penenatration in the broadband markets and they can expand their strict policies on what can get on the Internet. MS has the cash, AOL has the customers of the type they so desperately want. It's a marraige made in hell. I predict this goes through.
People like this nutcase must be debunked for the damage they do to serious astronomy. By allowing this kind of infestation to manifest just because you know how ridiculous it is you end up giving credibility simply by way of not having debunked it. Much as eco-terrorists like ELF and ALF damage the environmental cause, people like this guy (not saying he's a terrorist) damage the credibility of things like SETI.
Think how many people now believe in crap like Roswell and little green men. Now think how people like this make it hard for the public to take this science seriously. The idiot wants pr, but by not giving him the smackdown he so desperately needs, they'll get unearned credibility instead. The lack of pr will of course just be proof of a conspiracy against them.
Just think, to believe this guy you'd have to accept that we've spent hundreds of millions of dollars just on this one one mission to look for signs of life and that we would then turn around and ignore it when we found it. Too bad they don't teach logic in schools anymore.
When doing field support I've always had to have two cell phones. One is the companies and the other is the personal. Between service level variations, dead batteries, and the need to be really available, it just has to happen. Now I can understand they dont want camera phones, and I'm looking right now for a replacement cell without the camera due to the sensitive nature of the IT world.
How long ago was it that a lot of companies were death on anyone ever using a company phone for personal calls? Now that people can do that, and are doing it, you'd think they'd be happy. The only reasons I can think of are camera phones and the inability to legally monitor your personal phone. Cameras are reasonable enough, but that only leaves a desire to monitor all your communications. Unless your a stock broker type where law (I think) dictates it, there is no valid reason for this.
Yes I was commenting on the sad state of affairs on such fear of lawsuits. This makes sense, I may not like it, but I understand it. My issue is that after everything their investigation turned up, they couldn't even say "don't buy here". I understand why they didn't claim the business practices fraud, they gave enough facts on that point for people to decide for themselves.
The lack of an outright fraud claim wasn't my issue though. The investigation was good, the story fell short at the end though. Again I ask my valid question, what does it take to get a do not buy recommendation from THG?
Its amazing how far something has to go for a business to be considered fraudulent. Is it possible to get warnings like this before they end up in court or handcuffs? If all of this investigation only garners a buyer beware warning, what does it take to get a do not buy warning? I can understand the aversion to calling out fraud, but THG can only build the credibility by taking a stand and telling people don't buy from these guys.
I'm not trying to be overly harsh on THG. I applaud them for being willing to investigate like they did, the industry can only benefit by removing fraudsters. A few bad mechanics have given most mechanics reputations that they don't deserve, and the computer industry needs to avoid this.
Review sites, remember that your job is as much about telling people what they should not buy as it is about what they should. How many people stopped respecting PC World (once upon a time highly respected) after they endorsed Windows Me?
Thanks for answering. For whatever its worth you guys did an excellent job. Please understand my original grandfather post was an attempt to give proper credit, I certainly wouldn't try to give credit to the wrong party. I checked out your link, that is helpful.
I've had some stuff plagarized over the years as well, so I understand wanting credit. Just curious, did you guys only do your original version you supplied the link to, or have you occasionaly updated it? I'm thinking of something along the lines of Peters evil overlord list here.
http://www.nas.nasa.gov/Main/Features/2000/Fall/sp ace_pic1.html
Europa is already highly radioactive. It's around 19 Mrads thanks to this thing we call Jupiter. Saying that a radioactive probe could potentialy destroy any life already there is akin to saying that my bottle of water could kill off life in the pacific. Its people like the poster of this story that the website about "dihydrogen monoxide" is meant to catch.
Does this mean the cover will require a special tool only given to factory certified repair shops? While it refuse to print some things that aren't color coordinated, and just go ahead and use your credit card when it wants fresh ink?
So when will manufactures stop perpetuating myths that woman are too stupid for technology? For that matter why do I know so many woman that play at being stupid with technology? Ugh. Its a self propogating clusterfuck.
Interesting, thank you. I recall hearing about unintended bacterial growth when NASA picked up something left behind (camera?) on a previous moon mission. If such contamination has occured, which I think sounds plausible, than would we be able to trace it to Earth?
I'm certainly not claiming to have originated it myself, so I can't substantiate the claim of the site I linked. Would you happen to have a copy of one of those old fliers laying around? I would love to see it. If they were the ones that originaly came up with it, than props to them, they did an incredible job.
Except by the time that software starts to take "advantage" of this on a meaningful level you wont have any viable non trusted options. From Cisco routers that will only route trusted packets to motherboards only available with a DRM BIOS, there wont be anywhere else to turn. Especially if Longhorn requires it to run properly.
Personly, I think this is the reason for the long delay on longhorn, given them years to get the DRM enforcing hardware embedded in the market first. People wont worry at first because no software will make use of this until the channel has pretty well filtered out the old boards. By the time the software like longhorn is released that will "need" this, there isn't anywhere to turn. Give people a choice and they wont choose the DRM friendly option, so the idea is to take away the choice, that's what the fuss is about.
Interesting point. We do of course lose bits of our atmoshere into space. We also gain bits of mass everyday from small meteorites that constantly impact the planet. I wonder if we lose total planetary mass or gain it in an average year? Any astronomers know this one?
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I'm pretty certain the planet will be eaten by the sun before we lose our atmosphere though - so nothing to worry about
Since the point was brought up, I checked the MSDS and verified that indeed pure oxygen isn't flammable. It is of course required for flame, and things burn better when their is a higher concentration of oxygen available.
My point was about the cancer label on pure oxygen. I just recalled some kind of flammable warning of about the same size on the container. If you really wanted to check it out, just stop by Home depot, I'm sure they still sell the same brand.
It was a tank of 100% oxygen. I might have the exact nature of the flammable warning off, but the cancer warning was about the same size.
What really worries me is the unannounced DRM / Trusted Computing BIOS boards that will be coming out. Since this is an anti-consumer feature, and the BIOS companies know it, they don't want to impede their rollout with a consumer backlash.
I recall something about one of the Phoenix guys saying that the consumer was not their customer, the media companies were. DRM put directly into the BIOS, with no option to get a motherboard without it is going to be a real issue. Reminds me of when all the local banks in my area added thumbprint for check cashing on the same day. You couldn't bring your business elsewhere because they all did it.
So wants to start up a BIOS company?
http://www.zippynet.com/pages/bandhmo.htm
I believe this is the original. The page slashdot linked to is just someone rehashing the idea and putting up a different take on it. The person running the link I provided claims to have had their page up for a decade and on gopher for several years before that. So yes, you could say fraud for the slashdot linked website, but the original is 100% factual, and I give them the credit.
Reminds me of an oxygen canister I saw at home depot a little bit ago. It carried a warning label on it stating that oxygen was known to cause cancer in the state of california. This label was about as big as the one letting you know that it was flammable.
The beauty of this site and the others that perpetuate this is that it is 100% factual. Exposed inhalation will kill you, you'll drown. It is a critical ingredient in acid rain, it does react explosively with certain chemicals etc.
Its designed to catch people with knee jerk reactions that cant be bothered to do even a brief investigation of the facts. Its a way of showing the people that are always claiming the sky is falling for the fools that they are.