Don't be too surprised by Symbian breaking this year the "100 million devices sold annually" barrier, and generally maintaining quite well its half of smartphone market.
Used to be 55% in 2007, 50% in 2009 and now is 44% in Q1 2010.
I'd like to be the adversary of anyone holding ground like that.
Symbian is a dead OS. The kernel code is junk, and the userspace API is just braindead.
Symbian is the kind of Open Source path taken by dying companies. Open Source by desperation.
Good bye Symbian, you sure won't be missed.
Nobody thinks about porting WIndows applications to a Mobile OS.
Of course, you have to implement the GUI using the Mobile OS abstractions and functionality.
Win32 and C/C++ libraries and frameworks that exists inside software companies, go a bit beyond the UI.
With Android, they provided the NDK, while iOSX supports C/C++ code natively.
But no, MS and the management du jour following the mobile unit, decided to break what made them appreciated by ISV and software developers in general.
What a smart choice from MS, isn't it?
Neglecting the HUGE Win32 code base which many software companies have, and failing in delivering what has been the best thing MS kept doing in the last 20 years.
Which is Compatibility at Win32 Level.
MS lost it, and not today, and not even yesterday.
It struck me too, how Ballmer could still be in charge, after his "achievements".
But this is Corporate America, where meritocracy is long time perished, unfortunately.
If you are a software engineer, and you can't afford going out for lunch, you might consider the chance of having been screwed during the salary negotiation.
...it's too late for PERL. The system and kernel engineers chose to stick with C, PHP ran all over it with less cryptic syntax, and all the web 2.0 "me too" morons are now hacking away in Ruby and Python.
But really, PERL's demise was PHP. Especially since the CLI version of PHP, turning him into a true general purpose language.
Dude, you lost me at PHP.
Perl IS the most widely spread scripting system on a Unix host, after Shell.
Agreed. Maemo is the ONLY free platform currently available for mobile devices.
Free as in OS source code. Free as in freedom to develop application with full system access. Free as in freedom to develop application in native code. And least but sure not last, free as in freedom to install whatever you like in YOUR OWN device.
Agreed!
Symbian is dying, although Nokia will likely try to extend its life untill they get rid of all the Symbian legacy (people, and technology) they still have inside.
And, the $1500 for the Symbian Foundation membership is not exactly the definition of Open Source.
Bottom line, look elsewhere. iPhone, Android, Linux, WM (yeah, even that), whatever it is, it's smarter than choosing Symbian in 2009.
There's one thing that seems to be common in all those Right Wingers.
They always want to set the most strict rules for the others, but for them exceptions can always be made.
I agree 100% with this. Teenager like, ego centric, attitude, constantly reaching the newbies for fanboys to unleash on LKML to make noise for him.
The only fact that a totally mediocre developer get attention of the media, is the proof that the fanboys are already unleashed.
Linus and Ingo were right in the first place, and at the end the scheduler ended up being a totally cleaner design than the half dozen proposed by Kolivas.
Not interesting to me. Wake me up when you have an ARM Cortex A9 based netbook, with SSD drive. Then I might buy into the 12h battery life.
I currently have an EEE PC (with Atom power-sucker) with SSD drive (running Ubuntu), and I barely get 6h of real use.
What Nokia is bringing to the table is completely different from Android / Palm - it's a full, open Linux, no strings attached. You can develop software using the tools you want to use, instead of sticking to Java or Javascript.
Exactly. I only hope they won't get caught in the AAPL and GOOG trend of locking down devices, later in the path.
IMO the way Nokia is approaching these new devices is the right one, from a Development POV and from a Freedom To Use POV.
If they'll play their marketing cards correctly, we might have a very serious competitor to AAPL and GOOG, in the mobile space.
Nope. He's not a liar. The thing with the nomenclature is the point. (Also it was long ago!)
They have some nice things in their army, that others do not have. ^^
But even if it were F-117A jets, I would not find this any bad.
The Mediterranean "Sea" is actually an ocean. At least to everyone you ask here.
Also, why wouldn't it be one? It has the same properties.
As far as I knew, the the telco expenses were pretty good there. Hmm... One should check this on the websites.
It's true that everything is pretty expensive. As in Luxemburg. But people also earn more money (hint: *because of it!), so they can pay it.
F19 does not exist. It's not a matter of interpretation. It was never produced.
The Mediterranean Sea is NOT an Ocean, again it does matter what you think over there.
If you went to school and they asked you to name the Earth oceans, and you mentioned the Mediterranean Sea, you should have failed.
In Norway and the rest of scandinavia (and the rest of western Europe), language will not be an issue. Only really old people will have trouble communicating in English. The exceptions in western Europe is France and Germany.
OK, France, we all know. But Germany?! A lot of them speaks English there and I wouldn't see any problem from that POV.
Norton, Symantec and others have created an entire multi-billion dollar subscription based industry around virus protection for Windows. I wonder how they are going to react to this potential bomb for there business model?
React? You mean, they should feel threatened by the same noOneCare technology that so miserably failed to make any business because of its design flaws?
I can already see everyone in the business running scared about this new thing.
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And considering market share the one is Symbian. doing better than all others.
So going from 60+% to just barely 40% in less than 2 years is "doing better"? Symbian's market share is dropping like a rock.
If you are Symbian, apparently yes :)
Symbian is dead, and rightly so!
The crappiest development platform and API ever conceived.
Did Con unleash some of his trolls on Slashdot?
Yeah, I think he just did ...
Roger that.
It is actively despised.
Yup, by both users and developers.
Can we please restrict "buzz posts" to developer communities that have at least 10 members, from now on?
Don't be too surprised by Symbian breaking this year the "100 million devices sold annually" barrier, and generally maintaining quite well its half of smartphone market.
Used to be 55% in 2007, 50% in 2009 and now is 44% in Q1 2010.
I'd like to be the adversary of anyone holding ground like that.
Symbian is a dead OS. The kernel code is junk, and the userspace API is just braindead. Symbian is the kind of Open Source path taken by dying companies. Open Source by desperation. Good bye Symbian, you sure won't be missed.
Nobody thinks about porting WIndows applications to a Mobile OS.
Of course, you have to implement the GUI using the Mobile OS abstractions and functionality.
Win32 and C/C++ libraries and frameworks that exists inside software companies, go a bit beyond the UI.
With Android, they provided the NDK, while iOSX supports C/C++ code natively.
But no, MS and the management du jour following the mobile unit, decided to break what made them appreciated by ISV and software developers in general.
What a smart choice from MS, isn't it?
Neglecting the HUGE Win32 code base which many software companies have, and failing in delivering what has been the best thing MS kept doing in the last 20 years.
Which is Compatibility at Win32 Level.
MS lost it, and not today, and not even yesterday.
Just getting ready for 2012.
It struck me too, how Ballmer could still be in charge, after his "achievements". But this is Corporate America, where meritocracy is long time perished, unfortunately.
If you are a software engineer, and you can't afford going out for lunch, you might consider the chance of having been screwed during the salary negotiation.
...it's too late for PERL. The system and kernel engineers chose to stick with C, PHP ran all over it with less cryptic syntax, and all the web 2.0 "me too" morons are now hacking away in Ruby and Python.
But really, PERL's demise was PHP. Especially since the CLI version of PHP, turning him into a true general purpose language.
Dude, you lost me at PHP.
Perl IS the most widely spread scripting system on a Unix host, after Shell.
So the guy wants to write a web server to scratch an itch or something. No big deal there. The question is WHY THE FUCK DID IT MAKE SLASHDOT?
Same question I had in mind ...
Actually, someone already had a fully flagged AV solution for jailbroken iPhones ...
http://www.appleiphoneschool.com/2008/05/05/ivirusscan-10b02/
Unless you meant "airing" as "put on air", which I doubt because it makes not sense in such context, that's spelled "hiring" you short bus rider.
"Retarded Italian Prosecutors v Google airing retarded Italians"
That much, said by someone that can't even spell ...
Agreed. Maemo is the ONLY free platform currently available for mobile devices. Free as in OS source code. Free as in freedom to develop application with full system access. Free as in freedom to develop application in native code. And least but sure not last, free as in freedom to install whatever you like in YOUR OWN device.
Agreed! Symbian is dying, although Nokia will likely try to extend its life untill they get rid of all the Symbian legacy (people, and technology) they still have inside. And, the $1500 for the Symbian Foundation membership is not exactly the definition of Open Source. Bottom line, look elsewhere. iPhone, Android, Linux, WM (yeah, even that), whatever it is, it's smarter than choosing Symbian in 2009.
There's one thing that seems to be common in all those Right Wingers. They always want to set the most strict rules for the others, but for them exceptions can always be made.
I agree 100% with this. Teenager like, ego centric, attitude, constantly reaching the newbies for fanboys to unleash on LKML to make noise for him.
The only fact that a totally mediocre developer get attention of the media, is the proof that the fanboys are already unleashed.
Linus and Ingo were right in the first place, and at the end the scheduler ended up being a totally cleaner design than the half dozen proposed by Kolivas.
Not interesting to me. Wake me up when you have an ARM Cortex A9 based netbook, with SSD drive. Then I might buy into the 12h battery life. I currently have an EEE PC (with Atom power-sucker) with SSD drive (running Ubuntu), and I barely get 6h of real use.
What Nokia is bringing to the table is completely different from Android / Palm - it's a full, open Linux, no strings attached. You can develop software using the tools you want to use, instead of sticking to Java or Javascript.
Exactly. I only hope they won't get caught in the AAPL and GOOG trend of locking down devices, later in the path.
IMO the way Nokia is approaching these new devices is the right one, from a Development POV and from a Freedom To Use POV.
If they'll play their marketing cards correctly, we might have a very serious competitor to AAPL and GOOG, in the mobile space.
Nope. He's not a liar. The thing with the nomenclature is the point. (Also it was long ago!) They have some nice things in their army, that others do not have. ^^ But even if it were F-117A jets, I would not find this any bad.
The Mediterranean "Sea" is actually an ocean. At least to everyone you ask here. Also, why wouldn't it be one? It has the same properties.
As far as I knew, the the telco expenses were pretty good there. Hmm... One should check this on the websites.
It's true that everything is pretty expensive. As in Luxemburg. But people also earn more money (hint: *because of it!), so they can pay it.
F19 does not exist. It's not a matter of interpretation. It was never produced.
The Mediterranean Sea is NOT an Ocean, again it does matter what you think over there.
If you went to school and they asked you to name the Earth oceans, and you mentioned the Mediterranean Sea, you should have failed.
The only thing you might miss, is the ocean. For that you have to drive to Italy. (Right below it. At Venice for example.)
I dare you to beat that package. :D
OK, I'm not arguing about your other points, but:
1) Venice it's not under Switzerland
2) The Adriatic sea (the one on which Venice is) is NOT an Ocean
3) Driving down from Switzerland you get in the Genova region (Liguria), and that's the Mediterranean sea, that is NOT an Ocean too
In Norway and the rest of scandinavia (and the rest of western Europe), language will not be an issue. Only really old people will have trouble communicating in English. The exceptions in western Europe is France and Germany.
OK, France, we all know. But Germany?! A lot of them speaks English there and I wouldn't see any problem from that POV.
Norton, Symantec and others have created an entire multi-billion dollar subscription based industry around virus protection for Windows. I wonder how they are going to react to this potential bomb for there business model?
React? You mean, they should feel threatened by the same noOneCare technology that so miserably failed to make any business because of its design flaws?
I can already see everyone in the business running scared about this new thing.