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Nokia Unveils Its First Netbook
andylim writes "Today Nokia unveiled its first netbook that runs Windows and packs an Intel Atom processor. The Nokia Booklet 3G is the first Nokia device to feature a full-sized keypad and a 10-inch display. Recombu.com has listed the specs, which include an SD card reader, Bluetooth, GPS, 3G, HSDPA (3.5G), Wi-Fi, an HDMI port for HD video out and a front-facing camera for video calling. According to Nokia, the Booklet will provide 12 hours of battery life."
I haven't seen any price estimates. Anyone know what it might go for? Looks great though.
How disappointing, I thought they were working on Maemo and other cool Linux stuff? Are those only considered fit for PDAs and (eventually) phones? Of course Nokia can try to become another Dell if they want to, but why is another Windows PC considered Slashdot front page material?
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
But can I use it as a 10-inch phone?
I've read (and saw once) that the Netbooks with Atom processors have issues with having enough processing power to handle HD video. (though basical video played fine) Whats the point of the HDMI video out if it has issues with HD video?
I would love to see an ARM netbook from Nokia, none of this Atom crap
With the profit margins, it is unlikely any of these will succeed. As prices approach zero, the M$ tax goes to infinity.
"The Nokia Booklet 3G is the first Nokia device to feature a full-sized keypad and a 10-inch display"
nope.
Weird that is uses Windows since they bought KDE.
Intel Atom processor, only 1.25 kilograms, and still 12 hours of battery life? How do they accomplish this miracle ?
Why the lack of multitouch? Too expensive?
[HDMI is] the only reasonable choice of connector if you want to interface your laptop to a modern TV.
Every HDTV or monitor I've seen with HDMI or DVI in also has VGA in. In addition, VGA has the advantage that adapters to use a PC with a non-modern TV or a DVD recorder support it.
..boring. Yawn! Or is it just me? Sure it looks a little slicker than some of the others, but it's still unimpressive. HD video out? Nice. Now only if it had enough CPU power to play HD video.
they bought Trolltech which develops the QT library.
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Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
I did say, "full-sized keypad and a 10-inch display." Does the MikroMikko1 have a 10-inch display?
Doing what? Being in standby mode? Or actually using anything? Even my EEEPC 1000 says 7-8 hours of battery life and I get 4-4.5 using wifi/internet or watching video. So I'm guessing this will have 5-6 hours of actual use battery life.
That device has a full sized keyboard.
Obviously Nokia knows the future of computing input is a large 12 button keypad. I expect the texting speeds will be quite high.
(Funnily enough, the photo in the article seems to show the netbook as completely lacking a keypad.)
If I put Ubuntu on it, can I still make phone calls with the built-in GSM/HSDPA?
Waiting for detailed specs. If the hardware is supported under Linux, I don't mind blowing away the pre-installed Windows. It's not like they put the O/S in ROM.
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Yeah that's bollocks. I happen to have an old keyboard made by Nokia right next to me. Currently attached to my FreeBSD box. I think it came from one of the last MikroMikko models. It's old enough not to have any windows keys in it. And I do recall using the MikroMikko as a youngster when it was all DOS. So yeah, nokia used to make PC's back in the days before they started doing only mobile telephone tech.
why is another Windows PC considered Slashdot front page material?
My guess is that the majority of slashdot readers use Windows. Many of them won't admit it (here), much in the same way a fan of pop music will keep mum when he sits down at a cafeteria table he suspects is populated exclusively with sniffy jazz enthusiasts, but that only makes them a Silent Majority.
Slashdot has grown way, way, beyond it's Linux / Buffy / Anime roots, as has "geekdom" itself. It would be foolish for the editors not to acknowledge this by not running stories of interest to "mainstream tech enthusiasts," who I suspect are the majority of its readers.
FWIW, I've been using Linux since 1994, but still have a Windows box because I need to run some client's apps that are Windows-only. Both OS's have their failings, both have their charms.
I was not referring to a numeric keypad obviously but I can understand how that could be taken to mean one.
I wonder when netbook makers will incorporate 3G in their products. Seeing the specs of some smartphones I found myself wondering where the line between them and netbooks should be drawn. Apart from screen size, the difference is small. So, if Asus, Acer and othernetbook makers start to include a slot for a SIM card, the difference will definitively only be in size.
"Science is common sense with peer review"
Can I drop it onto concrete from ear height, Snap the cover back on, replace the battery and find it continues to work like nothing happend? It's always been a feature of Nokia phones that I've loved.
...the usual scaling for actual battery life? 0.5 * (Figure provided by vendor) = (hours of useful work)?
after buying an e63 and feeling like i've paid for buying battery powered feces i wouldn't trust nokia to design or engineer a matchstick
the manufacturing is shoddy at best, the software is flaky and the support is laughable (two firmware updates later and the only difference i can see is that the equalizer doesn't work when you've got the headphones plugged in)
if you want i can give examples and photos.
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Unless they're giving it away for free, I'm not interested in Yet Another Netbook until they can make it do something other than webmail. My baseline is Hulu HD. Anything less is a PDA.
The problem is that every manufacturer estimates the durations too high. If one wanted to give a realistic estimate people would just look "Oh, that estimate is only 6 hours. The other netbooks promise 8 hours!". Only real solution to this would be well regulated standards about battery capacity claims but that would need to be done by an international body... I doubt we'll see that happening.
That all said, the estimates aren't that far off. Yeah, you get less hours when using wifi or watching video but those are usually occasions (at school, LAN parties, library, work, etc.) on which you can plug the machine to an outlet. What I care about is long durations when you can't do that, like long train trips, time spent in airplanes, bars... Wait, you can usually find an outlet in any of those places. Honestly, I find that the battery duration doesn't really matter to me that much. It has to be more than three hours or so but any duration longer than that I am likely to spend near an electricity outlet. If that wasn't the case, I could buy a backup battery (actually, I have one but never had to use it).
It's great that you can use a netbook to check your email when you are in a bus or make a quick wikipedia search at any time to resolve some argument but most of the time most of us just don't actually need 8 hours or more of battery duration. I'm not saying I couldn't imagine used for that, just that I don't really need it that much and I assume the same is true for most of us.
I see a lot of posts so far...blah blah no linux blah blah disappointing, no linux blah blah blah.
People need to get real! If Nokia had entered what is gearing up to be a very aggressive market with a linux based netbook, I would have expect the BOD to fire the CEO right away!
Asus tried it already and it failed. People who buy a netbook want it to work just like their laptop. They want to share the same documents and have the same user interface.
The fact is, this Nokia netbook looks great. It's got loads of stuff on it and is slick as snot. If it's not too expensive, I will be buying one myself and no..I wont be installing Linux.
It's a shame that a manufacturer like NOKIA is not offering this device with Linux yet or at least without any OS but only pre-installed with the virus and spyware prone Microsoft Windows operating system and tries forcing us to pay for this unwanted crap. Shame on you, NOKIA. Once they offer a Linux version I may actually buy it.
It means they are finally starting to figure out the technology in the Roswell saucer.
Withing a couple of years we'll having flying cars, interstellar spaceships, rayguns and a robot uprising. After that the aliens will come back and wipe us out for being a bunch of irresponsible, upstart monkeys.
Still it'll be quite a ride.
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"Its first netbook that runs Windows"
What was did its first netbook ever run? This article doesn't say
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Asus 1101 HA gets 11+ hours, but the Atom processor included is one of the Z series (that can be overclocked to get an N series speed, but reducing battery life). Playing creatively with conditions on which you get that runtime you could get up to 12hs, i suppose.
Intel Atom by itself is garbage.
On the other hand, an Intel Atom with an NVIDIA GPU is called ION.
I'd buy it if it had an ION, I do like the durability of NOKIA hardware.
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Slashdot has grown way, way, beyond it's Linux / Buffy / Anime roots, as has "geekdom" itself.
I must have used the wrong roots.
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First: you're misquoting the summary.
Second: you fail at boolean algebra.
You don't know them enough. Nokia always chooses whatever fits to that particular product. Netbook? Windows for them.
It is not like Nokia is your average Windows hater company. It is kinda blurry on OS X with iSync etc. but Nokia smart phones best works with Windows on the other end. It is basic as that. Their Nokia Multimedia Transfer (still beta) could have been released for OS X but there is nothing to fill PC Suite's place on OS X. I would be very very surprised if they contributed a single line to KDE's sync solutions, even after Qt acquisition.
This is a company who pays millions to Trolltech (while they are doing extremely fine) and release first Qt for S60 demo in .exe form! After I see that page (link below) I went to all IRC channels I frequent to take my "Use Nokia, it is cool with Python, open, Qt is coming too" suggestions back. For most people, it is Ovi App store which made people lose their hopes. For me? It was that basic blog entry meant no harm but showed what kind of waste Nokia did by purchasing Qt. Thank God, Qt is GPL and already has gigantic prestige in commercial development with a huge community on Linux&BSD.
http://pepper.troll.no/s60prereleases/
I am sure they forced the early release, something OTHER THAN WINDOWS will be supported at one point but just imagine a Qt&Linux developers face when he is greeted with .exe with the excuse of emulator being WINDOWS ONLY. I really hope Nokia is more ashamed than me. Yes, I actually feel ashamed for doing their PR work to Developers for free, with information making complete sense but wrong.
Nokia finally releases N97 to their still remaining fanbase at Europe&Parts of Asia for a price which is possibly higher than a "real laptop" (think like average joe or hans) with 12&24 month contracts and 780 Euros price in some areas when bought without contract.
I don't hear good things about N97 and besides some usual Symbian haters, some makes huge sense and they have a good point like the usual device flash/SD card schizophrenia, things being there but not performing well (Facebook) and very mixed signals with the latest Linux based netbook like thing.
Now they release this information for what reason exactly? To make more remaining customers of high end bang their heads to wall? One doesn't need to be a commercial spy to figure this has a big deal to do with MS Office deal with MSFT. The deal which didn't do anything but guaranteed state of the art Quickoffice to be abandoned for Symbian and moved to iPhone at some point in the future.
They made quite a few computers before the telephone business took off, a friend of mine had a 386 back in th '90's
I'm not sure about Nokia's other product failures- but I predict this to be its biggest.
Dude were using xorg, not Windows.
The article is about Nokia's "netbook that runs Windows". What file would you recommend editing to get extra resolutions to show up in Windows?
Buy a S40 cheap Nokia phone with 3G connectivity support. You will be amazed at its durability, speed and battery life. Combine it with a netbook from a company who really knows how things work and not at schizoid state like Nokia, be happy.
I am telling it as a owner of 2 high end Nokia Symbian devices. Stay away. They have no clue where they are heading.
in my experience, HDTVs all allow 1024x768. i have an mplayer command to adjust the aspect ratio for me.
There are a couple problems with blowing up a 1024x768 pixel signal to cover a 1366x768 pixel screen, especially outside mplayer:
But on my Vizio TV, pushing the WIDE button when switching between maximized video and the web works around this.
There is some Nokia fan mod lately on slashdot who keeps getting mod points until someone finally meta-moderate his mod abuse. Unfortunately, it seems he/she has never, ever used Nokia devices, especially smart phones with Windows.
Nokia PC Suite for Windows weights 450MB after install unless one wasn't lucky(!) enough to install their .NET only apps like Map Loader which itself is 20 MB but needs 2 GB .NET to run.
I didn't say a word about the bulk of stuff added to startup which may result in 2-3 minute boots if the machine&hd is slow and fragmented.
Dear Moderator, stay away from Nokia stories on Slashdot or at least install Nokia PC Suite&others before you moderate. Now flamebait me too.
Nokia one is more expensive, even in Finland since iPhone got a rock solid developer community who keeps releasing stuff. I didn't hear Apple releasing a netbook based on Windows while they try to achieve success using a different OS invite users to have different concept of doing things portable. That is what Nokia is doing. Releasing a Netbook based on Windows while you keep releasing small netbook like devices running Symbian S60 will destroy more developer trust.
You would never get such mixed signals from Apple. Apple phones/computers runs OS X, best developed on XCode (while terminal works) with combination of Objective C and Cocoa. That is one hell of a roadmap for you.
This kind of schizoid behavior of Nokia lately ended up FT of Germany claiming Nokia giving up Symbian for Linux. Now, that is a very alerting thing and it is only Nokia who doesn't get alerted. Developing a mobile application and making it successful product is way more hard than anyone would think and the last thing you need is a company who isn't sure where to go.
Instead of a me-too Windows netbook, they could come up with a tiny 3G, never seen before specs USB key carrying Nokia brand which you can use on netbooks but no, of course, they must have some shadowy weird deals with their rival on same segment (WinMO), MS and they must do a favor to them.
As an E65/9300 and SE P1i owner who runs Symbian, I am glad I didn't jump to N97. I hope the idiots doing these actions will be really investigated at some point in future.
I don't get it.
How many manufactures are going to build these things. I know they are wildly popular due to cost, but come on, they are all the same.
They all use the same hardware. They all pretty much use the same software. Some look slightly different, maybe.
Atom 1.6ghz. 1GB RAM. 160GB HD. Wifi etc... big honking deal.
Maybe they will change something who knows.
I also notice that it has a HDMI port for HD out... um why? Other than you brag you have it I see this as somewhat useless. Will it have video that can handle HD? Likely not. Will it have a HD that you can store lots of HD stuff on? Not really. Will it have a BluRay optical drive? Um No. Is watching HD on a 10 in screen stupid? Likely yes.
No idea what HSDPA is? Though it says (3.5G) which sounds like a cell network protocol. Which is great if it is in your area, of which they likely only cover metro areas or 2% of the actual area...
Oh yeah and 12 hours battery life? OK at this point EVERYONE knows they all lie through their teeth about battery time, but really do you think we are all stupid now. Have we gotten the the point where the lies don't have to be plausible. All they need now is some disclaimer someplace that says that it was tested with nothing running, the power off, closed, and that is the natural dissipation rate of their battery and includes no usage, or in other words a totally pointless and worthless test of capability.
Does it have Sidetalkin'?
Um
A-GPS is adaptive GPS. Which basically is useless.
I'll give you an example using the experience from my n95 (which has both A-GPS and a GPS) If I use Nokia's maps software, I have to hold the phone out for 5 minutes, standing still, for it to get a GPS lockon. Nokia's map software works best with A-GPS off.
If A-GPS is enabled, and I use the google maps instead, Google maps will actually use the A-GPS over the GPS signal, resulting being anywhere from 5000m to 50m of where I really am. This gets very obnoxious if you're actually driving, because it will say you are on the road one moment, and in the river the next.
For walking though, either method works fine until you go inside, then only the A-GPS works. If you live north of 54 degrees, the GPS in any device is practically useless, due to not being able to see at least 3 birds.
While PC Suite is fairly bulky, it's more along the lines of 50 MB, not 450. And let's face it, this is 2009. Even if it really was 450 MB it would hardly matter.
That said, it is rather annoying, but no one's forcing you to install it. In fact, apart from maybe backups/syncing and sending messages through it, you can do just about anything PC Suite can do with your favourite tool for the job.
I know it's a bit off topic... but does anyone know what the music is in their commercial?
Why, no, I haven't meta-moderated lately. Thanks for asking!
SD card reader,Bluetooth,GPS, HSDPA (3.5G),WiFi, an HDMI port for HD video(3.5G) out and a front facing camera for video calling.Besides,there is a long life battery,So it will be sold well.
We are not Symbian haters - we hate that Nokia (and Sony Ericsson) do not fully use Symbians potential. Like S60 the Userinterface on top of Symbian. Yuck. But that will - hopefully - be replaced by Qt soon.
Analogy of the day: If someone hates Gtk that does not imply he / she hates Linux as well.
I wonder what sort of performance you'd get running the Windows Firefox build under Wine?
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
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It works in the lab and is darn impressive. Once the corroding cathode issue is solved, it'll be ready for mainstream.
Maybe the Nokia engineers *did* solve it?
Nah... 12 hours = prolly just marketing.