First of all, that's bullshit. Most programmers don't move around geographically that much. Those that do get sick of it by their mid 30's.
But I think you're missing the bigger picture, we're not talking about contract programming the way you understand it where you're jetting around making high contract rates. We're talking about moving to and working full time in a country where you'll be paid about 1/3 or less than what you currently make. Most likely there will be no health insurance.
I couldn't afford to keep my condo in Boston, I probably wouldn't buy a house since I'd expect to be moving often. Buying a house is a traditional way people accumulate the wealth they'll need for retirement. I'm married, could my wife find a job there too or would the loss of her salery be another concession to globalization?
I'm sure you'll agree that the life of a low paid, vagabond programmer doesn't sound too appealing.
Oh, so I only have to do that for 15 years. Phew, what a relief. In the mean time, I'll sleep easy knowing that the CEOs and major sockholders are getting wealthier.
Oh, I see. So every time the industry recognizes some underdeveloped part of the world where they can hire cheap programmers, we all have to pack up and move to that country to try to retain our jobs? Excellent, I've always wanted to be an indigent migrant high-tech worker. I'll just hang out on the street corner and wait for the boss man to come by in the pickup truck looking for a few software architects to put in a few weeks work designing some system to make him rich, then pack up and move to the next high-tech bargain country. Life would be sweet!
1. I'll say _you_, then, haven't spent days debugging a Java memory leak. Especially in a Swing program. One single listener you've forgot to explicitly remove can keep whole forms or even whole windows still loaded in memory. No, the garbage collector doesn't automatically free those.
Well, then I'll say you haven't spent time debugging C or C++ code. My previous job was C++ UI application development, for the last five years I've been doing Java Swing UIs. There's simply no comparing the frequency of memory leak type problems on Java and C++. I haven't had a memory leak problem in years in Java, it's just too simple to avoid.
I can do what I want only with Palm and Windows. Linux is intriguing, but fails the tests of functionality and compatability.
Please, this is "interesting"? This is just stupid herd mentality, anti-Linux FUD. So, you're in that exclusive club of the vast majority of computer users who use Windows, and would only consider using something else if it were exactly the same as windows and ran the same software but was a lot cheaper. Linux isn't just about being a cheaper alternative to Windows. So thanks for your contribution, very valueable.
I got it for $14,95 from Comp-u-plus (http://www.compuplus.com), I've even got my invoice right here. It looks like it might have been on sale, since now it's $28.95.
In fact, if you google, "sharp ceag06 digital camera zaurus" you'll see:... VIEWSONIC. VISIONTEK. VISIONEER. WESTERN DIGITAL. SHARP CEAG06 DIGITAL CAMERA CARD FOR ZAURUS SL5000 SERIES - CE-AG06 Price: $14.95; Item is brand new and in Stock!...
But when you go to their site it's more. Sorry. At least it's not $130.
When you factor in the price of the car, the price of insurance, parking, and maintainance, the T (the Metro Boston Tranist Authority for non-Bostonians) is a huge bargain - if it gets you where you need to go. I weep when I pay the bills for my wife's car. I don't love the car, if my wife didn't work on the North shore, we wouldn't have one at all. It's a huge concrete block chained to our necks. Aside from her commute, it'd be far cheaper and nicer to take the T, a cab, or the occasional Zip car.
If I drove to work, it'd cost me $200-$250 a month just to park there. Even if your car's paid for, it's still cheaper to use the T.
Living in Boston as I do, and walking through the Big Dig every day, I have to say that the Big Dig is fantastic.
But a lot of people, maybe even myself, would agree with you that it was at best too expensive, and that investment in public transportation would have been a better. The worst failure of the Big Dig (aside from cost) was the decision not to connect the two big train stations, North Station and South Station. This would have been very easy to do, since the big dig runs between these very stations. It was a golden opportunity lost. So it continues to be extremely difficult to travel from the south of Boston to the North on train. You have to get off the train and take the subway, and change lines. And it'll probably take you 30 minutes to go the 1 1/2 mile between stations this way.
The problem is, people don't take public transportation. Boston's public transportation system has, generally, been shrinking since its heyday around 1930 (I think). We used to have twice as many subway lines as we have today, and those lines went much further into the 'burbs than they do today. It's too bad, I think it's dumb, but Americans like their cars no matther how much they have to pay to drive them. It's a national pathology.
I like the combative attitude of Norm Nixon, the CEO of the project. Sounds like he's met some resistance to the project: Those of you who "do not get it" may feel free to move on to the next web site.
My experience is just the opposite. GNOME seems buggy and not well thought out. KDE seems very polished and stable. Plus, I vastly prefer coding to KDE/Qt's API. GNOME's API strikes me as a kludge.
I think such an obviously devisive decision to feature one desktop over the other is akin to a distribution that ships ony emacs or only vi. (Though emacs rules:)
AFAIK, There was no such thing as a Greek empire. At best they were a loose collaboration of city states when they needed to be (to fend off external threats) and at worse the were a buch of warring city states.
The concept of a Greek nation didn't arise until very near its downfall.
Since I live right across the street from Boston's new convention center (on D St.) I would be especially eager for Linux World to go there. Heck, I have a big loft, I'd throw a huge Linux-geek party!
In fact, I'm almost positive that Linux World could use the new convention center for the cost of the overhead only (electricity, staff, etc.). They're desperate to get clients, since after MacWorld dropped out, they don't have any at all lined up.
I can't say that SCO are a bunch of litigation-happy Japaneese that depend on the stone age (at least a pint). But you can, and did. Say, things that readers can translate, are such!
I'd like to point out that my deliberate misquoting of a portion of your post makes you sound a bit daft!
The problem is, a supported product which was once there now is not.
Capt. Buzzcut, I can see the veins bulging on your forehead because someone has had the audacity to discontinue the free version of their product. RedHat is still there, it's just not free anymore. See?
It's simply unstable and unreliable, something RHL was never.
Huh, you haven't used RedHat very long have you? Fedora is essentially a.0 release, RedHat has a reputation for unstable.0 releases. Add to that the transition to the community process and I think Fedora's a great acheivement. If you want stability, wait for the next release or at least until updates arrive.
I suggest you try Fedora before discounting it. It's really very nice, better than RH9, on the desktop. I'm using it for development now, and it's great.
I make a living by saving these people from hours and hours of servicing Microsoft patches, updates and malware.
If you didn't make money doing this, would you still do it? RedHat didn't make enough money providing updates for their desktop distribution, so they stopped doing it. Seems rational to me.
There's no sign up process for Fedora because it's no longer required, not because it's going away. What has changed is who's responsible for providing updates. It's now not RedHat's sole responsiblity, it's a community process just like Debian.
Anyone questioning Iraqi war reparations ought to take into account the ramifications of German WWI war reparations (specifically, that they resulted in WWII) and the Marshall Plan which helped rebuild Europe and create an ally of Germany.
I couldn't agree with you more, making Iraq pay reparations would be extremely stupid and unethical, and would ignore history, which is why we'll probably do it. Yeee Ha!!!
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But don't just kill them, use their bodies as food to feed the poor. That way you counteract any public anti-death penalty feelings and you recycle!
Where, Videosmith?
First of all, that's bullshit. Most programmers don't move around geographically that much. Those that do get sick of it by their mid 30's.
But I think you're missing the bigger picture, we're not talking about contract programming the way you understand it where you're jetting around making high contract rates. We're talking about moving to and working full time in a country where you'll be paid about 1/3 or less than what you currently make. Most likely there will be no health insurance.
I couldn't afford to keep my condo in Boston, I probably wouldn't buy a house since I'd expect to be moving often. Buying a house is a traditional way people accumulate the wealth they'll need for retirement. I'm married, could my wife find a job there too or would the loss of her salery be another concession to globalization?
I'm sure you'll agree that the life of a low paid, vagabond programmer doesn't sound too appealing.
Oh, so I only have to do that for 15 years. Phew, what a relief. In the mean time, I'll sleep easy knowing that the CEOs and major sockholders are getting wealthier.
Oh, I see. So every time the industry recognizes some underdeveloped part of the world where they can hire cheap programmers, we all have to pack up and move to that country to try to retain our jobs? Excellent, I've always wanted to be an indigent migrant high-tech worker. I'll just hang out on the street corner and wait for the boss man to come by in the pickup truck looking for a few software architects to put in a few weeks work designing some system to make him rich, then pack up and move to the next high-tech bargain country. Life would be sweet!
1. I'll say _you_, then, haven't spent days debugging a Java memory leak. Especially in a Swing program. One single listener you've forgot to explicitly remove can keep whole forms or even whole windows still loaded in memory. No, the garbage collector doesn't automatically free those.
Well, then I'll say you haven't spent time debugging C or C++ code. My previous job was C++ UI application development, for the last five years I've been doing Java Swing UIs. There's simply no comparing the frequency of memory leak type problems on Java and C++. I haven't had a memory leak problem in years in Java, it's just too simple to avoid.
The point is, the comment, which was essentially, "Linux is not Windows" is not interesting or insightful.
I can do what I want only with Palm and Windows. Linux is intriguing, but fails the tests of functionality and compatability.
Please, this is "interesting"? This is just stupid herd mentality, anti-Linux FUD. So, you're in that exclusive club of the vast majority of computer users who use Windows, and would only consider using something else if it were exactly the same as windows and ran the same software but was a lot cheaper. Linux isn't just about being a cheaper alternative to Windows. So thanks for your contribution, very valueable.
I got it for $14,95 from Comp-u-plus (http://www.compuplus.com), I've even got my invoice right here. It looks like it might have been on sale, since now it's $28.95.
... VIEWSONIC. VISIONTEK. VISIONEER. WESTERN DIGITAL. SHARP CEAG06 DIGITAL CAMERA CARD ...
In fact, if you google, "sharp ceag06 digital camera zaurus" you'll see:
FOR ZAURUS SL5000 SERIES - CE-AG06 Price: $14.95; Item is brand new and in Stock!
But when you go to their site it's more. Sorry. At least it's not $130.
Actually, I just got a Zaurus 5600. I got the camera too, for $15. Looks like they used to be in the $130 range, but no more.
When you factor in the price of the car, the price of insurance, parking, and maintainance, the T (the Metro Boston Tranist Authority for non-Bostonians) is a huge bargain - if it gets you where you need to go. I weep when I pay the bills for my wife's car. I don't love the car, if my wife didn't work on the North shore, we wouldn't have one at all. It's a huge concrete block chained to our necks. Aside from her commute, it'd be far cheaper and nicer to take the T, a cab, or the occasional Zip car.
If I drove to work, it'd cost me $200-$250 a month just to park there. Even if your car's paid for, it's still cheaper to use the T.
Living in Boston as I do, and walking through the Big Dig every day, I have to say that the Big Dig is fantastic.
But a lot of people, maybe even myself, would agree with you that it was at best too expensive, and that investment in public transportation would have been a better. The worst failure of the Big Dig (aside from cost) was the decision not to connect the two big train stations, North Station and South Station. This would have been very easy to do, since the big dig runs between these very stations. It was a golden opportunity lost. So it continues to be extremely difficult to travel from the south of Boston to the North on train. You have to get off the train and take the subway, and change lines. And it'll probably take you 30 minutes to go the 1 1/2 mile between stations this way.
The problem is, people don't take public transportation. Boston's public transportation system has, generally, been shrinking since its heyday around 1930 (I think). We used to have twice as many subway lines as we have today, and those lines went much further into the 'burbs than they do today. It's too bad, I think it's dumb, but Americans like their cars no matther how much they have to pay to drive them. It's a national pathology.
I like the combative attitude of Norm Nixon, the CEO of the project. Sounds like he's met some resistance to the project: Those of you who "do not get it" may feel free to move on to the next web site.
Not likely to win over a lot of people that way.
My experience is just the opposite. GNOME seems buggy and not well thought out. KDE seems very polished and stable. Plus, I vastly prefer coding to KDE/Qt's API. GNOME's API strikes me as a kludge.
:)
I think such an obviously devisive decision to feature one desktop over the other is akin to a distribution that ships ony emacs or only vi. (Though emacs rules
Or the Greek empire.
AFAIK, There was no such thing as a Greek empire. At best they were a loose collaboration of city states when they needed to be (to fend off external threats) and at worse the were a buch of warring city states.
The concept of a Greek nation didn't arise until very near its downfall.
Since I live right across the street from Boston's new convention center (on D St.) I would be especially eager for Linux World to go there. Heck, I have a big loft, I'd throw a huge Linux-geek party!
In fact, I'm almost positive that Linux World could use the new convention center for the cost of the overhead only (electricity, staff, etc.). They're desperate to get clients, since after MacWorld dropped out, they don't have any at all lined up.
I can't say that SCO are a bunch of litigation-happy Japaneese that depend on the stone age (at least a pint). But you can, and did. Say, things that readers can translate, are such!
I'd like to point out that my deliberate misquoting of a portion of your post makes you sound a bit daft!
up2date in Fedora uses yum, so you can relax even further
The problem is, a supported product which was once there now is not.
Capt. Buzzcut, I can see the veins bulging on your forehead because someone has had the audacity to discontinue the free version of their product. RedHat is still there, it's just not free anymore. See?
It's simply unstable and unreliable, something RHL was never.
.0 release, RedHat has a reputation for unstable .0 releases. Add to that the transition to the community process and I think Fedora's a great acheivement. If you want stability, wait for the next release or at least until updates arrive.
Huh, you haven't used RedHat very long have you? Fedora is essentially a
I suggest you try Fedora before discounting it. It's really very nice, better than RH9, on the desktop. I'm using it for development now, and it's great.
I make a living by saving these people from hours and hours of servicing Microsoft patches, updates and malware.
If you didn't make money doing this, would you still do it? RedHat didn't make enough money providing updates for their desktop distribution, so they stopped doing it. Seems rational to me.
There's no sign up process for Fedora because it's no longer required, not because it's going away. What has changed is who's responsible for providing updates. It's now not RedHat's sole responsiblity, it's a community process just like Debian.
You need to take a deep breath, relax, and read the information at http://fedora.redhat.com
Yeah, if you want to build a mickey-mouse file server.
Which is what they've done. Notice they're also using it as a workstation to play games.
Actually, the Roman idea of law and order is kinda one of the pillars of the West.
Anyone questioning Iraqi war reparations ought to take into account the ramifications of German WWI war reparations (specifically, that they resulted in WWII) and the Marshall Plan which helped rebuild Europe and create an ally of Germany.
I couldn't agree with you more, making Iraq pay reparations would be extremely stupid and unethical, and would ignore history, which is why we'll probably do it. Yeee Ha!!!