Interesting. I never use Firefox (due to it historically having extremely poor performance on my machines) and IE9 (work computer has IE8 and I use Linux at home). I haven't noticed any slow down on Opera on my linux boxen. I do have chromium installed and it is faster but I like the built-in RSS feeder Opera has as well as the file sharer.
Amarok is not present in this release, instead is Clementine, which is loosely based on the Amarok of 1.4 days. KMail (and everything it brings) is not present either, instead is Thunderbird from Mozilla.
+1. Seriously, why are distros just now figuring out that Kmail and Amarok have sucked long enough to make the switch? I dumped Amarok two years ago now and Kmail is a joke. Sadly, the one thing I wish they still really worked on was Kopete but that's pretty much gone the way of the Dodo for the plasma thingy.
I started reading Slashdot back in 2003(ish) and it has helped me jump to Linux and be much more aware of the world around me. It's probably the site I have visited the longest and quite possibly the most.
I just want to say thank you. We meet, I'm buying you a beer.
So now when I have to deal with Windows boxes and install stuff on there, I can't use the only site I've used in a decade. God Dammit To Hell. The sad part is that Ubuntu's Software Center and all the rest of it's ilk owes at least a tip of the hat to Download.com's ratings system. it's helped me immeasurably with the ratings systems. Although I never trusted the Editor's ratings - too easy to pay off. The user's ratings were usually right on the money.
And suddenly almost every distro out there throws it all away for a new window manager that is not just incomplete but even downright buggy. What else do you call it when you have to kill processes for browsing windows/samba shares? Is that such a complex hardcore hacker task?
There are still a lot of distros which are using Gnome 2. Beyond Fedora I can't think of a widely-used distro that uses it by default yet
KDE ain't much better, open a file from the network and it will often try to copy it locally first before it can play. Very useful for large movie files I can tell you.
I have done that numerous times and never had that issue.
Why is everyone using it as their main desktop. Ubuntu and Fedora/Red hat.
Unity has Gnome underpinnings but it is not Gnome3.
But the Ubuntu 11.01 upgrade? I converted them all back to a pirated windows system. I installed Ubuntu for them because I was fed up constantly supporting them, now I was going to explain to them Unity/Gnome3 instead with more bugginess and unwanted changes then Vista? Is there some opensource developers penis envy? MS can produce a desktop nobody wants, we want it too?
This weekend I will be installing an old ubuntu on my desktop (this is written from a windows game machine) having tried various releases. I have come to a conclusion. I am old. I did gentoo, I did linux from scratch, I made skins, I tweaked, I compiled. Now I just want a fucking simple desktop that just fucking stays the fucking same for longer then two seconds. I REALLY do not give a fuck WHERE the close buttons is but I expect my fucking laptop to fucking suspend when I fucking close it and NOT for this YEARS old GODDAMN issue to come back because some fuck face wants to do a touch desktop and then forgets to include touch because he has some jerkwad fantasy about Linux on some device.
If you didn't want to do support nor deal with tweaking why did you choose a normal-release Ubuntu, which is notorious for breaking things? Why not use Debian Stable or even Ubuntu LTS to start?
The vast majority of their current user base don't care enough to complain - they just switched to Chrome or IE.
What should worry Mozilla is that a number of linux distributions are switching. Even Ubuntu itself had the switch from Firefox to Chromium on the plate for 11.10. I would place a bet on it actually happening for the 12.04 LTS. Ubuntu, like it or not, wields a lot of clout within the open source community and when they decide to make the switch it makes a lot of distributions look long and hard at following suit.
Well this fellow went out and bought one, but once he found out how limited Linux was for his own use/needs, he simply put the netbook in the closet. He didn't relish the idea of paying $100 for a Windows license to make his cheap under-powered netbook a slightly more useful under-powered netbook for another $100.
So what you're saying is this gentleman had a problem, didn't do any research into the solution, wasn't happy with the solution he chose, and then decided to ignore both the original problem and the problem of the solution he paid for.
Actually, On the sempron I run the newest version of Kubuntu & Opera and they fly. The only real performance boost I gave to the OS was shutting off Nepomuk & Stringi - those two things are useless to me and eat up a huge amount of resources).
even though they're all running XP (Win7 is another little bit slower)
One thing I noticed is that XP has gotten *MUCH* slower with the latest updates. Granted I only keep XP around for Publisher and Yahoo Messenger (on the rare occasions I need photo sharing & webcam) so my Kubuntu partition gets the most attention, but still something to keep in mind.
I also definitely have issues with the OP saying that older hardware can't do the job. My Sempron EOLed in late 2006 and it's STILL doing what I need. And for the record it's a stock 1.6 Ghz.
Then they threw out the perfectly functional Konqueror for Dolphin (which IMO is a lot less convenient to use), gutted Amarok
Two things:
1) Personally I find Dolphin way better at file management than Konqueror or any other file manager. I am working to weaning myself off it and onto PCManFM due to moving to LXDE and not wanting the crazy amount of overhead Dolphin likes to pull in with it.
2) Amarok is outside the purview of the mainline KDE. Frankly, I think next year Clementine will start being packaged with KDE distros instead of Amarok. The only thing I miss from Amarok is podcast support (which is being looked at through Google's Summer of Code 2011)
First rule of KDE4: Disable Stringi and Nepomuk - purge them if you must. Those two useless pieces of code are the performance killers.
As I recall, the next major revision of KDE4 (or Kubuntu - I don't quite recall) will have a 'low resource version' which kills off all the cute stuff and returns KDE to a somewhat KDE3 state.
I live in Winnipeg, Canada and two winters ago my basement's record low was 8C. Last year I did two things: First I repaired the fascia covering the front of the house's foundation using $20 worth of spray foam and plaster crack fill. (did wonders for drafts). I also banked up the snow around the house 4 to 5 feetr high. I think the lowest temperature down in my basement was 15C.
Agreed. Many people (like myself) want that weight and bulk. I look at many lightweight and thin phones and really notice the poor quality construction which is a by-product of keeping the weight down. I know it won't sustain much damage (which I'm prone to deal out) so it's usually off my list.
Why not? There's absolutely nothing saying they couldn't build their own distro on top of Linux or (most likely) BSD. In fact, I would advocate for that - less resources put into the backend work would allow more resources put into the user experience. It's the blueprint Apple used on OSX and it worked.
With the way the Apple juggernaut has been steamrolling it would make sense to me for Microsoft and Open Source in general to find a way of co-existing.
I think that people within Microsoft are actually very appreciative of Open Source and of Apple in the sense that those other OSes are doing cool stuff, which pushes everyone to do better and 'one-up' the others. This pushes creativity within the OS and interoperability between the OSes in general. In the end, we all like to hate Microsoft or Apple or Linux or BSD because they are not our personal favorite and they are faceless monoliths. It's a lot tougher to hate another programmer or designer just because they draw a paycheque from another company. Personally I am not a fan of Microsoft due to them hamstringing their lower grade products (Home edition missing RDP, easy network control, etc) and making the OS much less functional then my Linux boxen, but I am glad they are around and I wouldn't hold it against anyone who worked for them.
I understand that, however I wonder if a 'refueling' is possible within the constraints of near-future (100 or so years) technology.
What I could see happening is setting up waypoints or space stations near the stars which are used much like the forts were during colonization of North America.
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Interesting. I never use Firefox (due to it historically having extremely poor performance on my machines) and IE9 (work computer has IE8 and I use Linux at home). I haven't noticed any slow down on Opera on my linux boxen. I do have chromium installed and it is faster but I like the built-in RSS feeder Opera has as well as the file sharer.
Amarok is not present in this release, instead is Clementine, which is loosely based on the Amarok of 1.4 days. KMail (and everything it brings) is not present either, instead is Thunderbird from Mozilla.
+1. Seriously, why are distros just now figuring out that Kmail and Amarok have sucked long enough to make the switch? I dumped Amarok two years ago now and Kmail is a joke. Sadly, the one thing I wish they still really worked on was Kopete but that's pretty much gone the way of the Dodo for the plasma thingy.
Exactly. Plus with Opera getting beat by both Firefox and IE9 on Win7 I call bullshit.
End. of. Discussion.
End. Of. Discussion.
I started reading Slashdot back in 2003(ish) and it has helped me jump to Linux and be much more aware of the world around me. It's probably the site I have visited the longest and quite possibly the most.
I just want to say thank you. We meet, I'm buying you a beer.
I think that little piece of inner nerd will CAUSE you to stumble home drunkenly tonite.
Is it sad every April 1st I pray that Slashdot turns pink? That was Epic.
Not for me - I prefer to drink the locally brewed and smaller brewers beer. It just tastes better in my opinion.
But no matter what you can't turn down free beer.
Almost spit up diet coke to that one. Props!
Let's call a spade a spade here: App Store = Repository
So now when I have to deal with Windows boxes and install stuff on there, I can't use the only site I've used in a decade. God Dammit To Hell. The sad part is that Ubuntu's Software Center and all the rest of it's ilk owes at least a tip of the hat to Download.com's ratings system. it's helped me immeasurably with the ratings systems. Although I never trusted the Editor's ratings - too easy to pay off. The user's ratings were usually right on the money.
And suddenly almost every distro out there throws it all away for a new window manager that is not just incomplete but even downright buggy. What else do you call it when you have to kill processes for browsing windows/samba shares? Is that such a complex hardcore hacker task?
There are still a lot of distros which are using Gnome 2. Beyond Fedora I can't think of a widely-used distro that uses it by default yet
KDE ain't much better, open a file from the network and it will often try to copy it locally first before it can play. Very useful for large movie files I can tell you.
I have done that numerous times and never had that issue.
Why is everyone using it as their main desktop. Ubuntu and Fedora/Red hat.
Unity has Gnome underpinnings but it is not Gnome3.
But the Ubuntu 11.01 upgrade? I converted them all back to a pirated windows system. I installed Ubuntu for them because I was fed up constantly supporting them, now I was going to explain to them Unity/Gnome3 instead with more bugginess and unwanted changes then Vista? Is there some opensource developers penis envy? MS can produce a desktop nobody wants, we want it too? This weekend I will be installing an old ubuntu on my desktop (this is written from a windows game machine) having tried various releases. I have come to a conclusion. I am old. I did gentoo, I did linux from scratch, I made skins, I tweaked, I compiled. Now I just want a fucking simple desktop that just fucking stays the fucking same for longer then two seconds. I REALLY do not give a fuck WHERE the close buttons is but I expect my fucking laptop to fucking suspend when I fucking close it and NOT for this YEARS old GODDAMN issue to come back because some fuck face wants to do a touch desktop and then forgets to include touch because he has some jerkwad fantasy about Linux on some device.
If you didn't want to do support nor deal with tweaking why did you choose a normal-release Ubuntu, which is notorious for breaking things? Why not use Debian Stable or even Ubuntu LTS to start?
The vast majority of their current user base don't care enough to complain - they just switched to Chrome or IE.
What should worry Mozilla is that a number of linux distributions are switching. Even Ubuntu itself had the switch from Firefox to Chromium on the plate for 11.10. I would place a bet on it actually happening for the 12.04 LTS. Ubuntu, like it or not, wields a lot of clout within the open source community and when they decide to make the switch it makes a lot of distributions look long and hard at following suit.
A group of people send a bunch of emails to an email server, bringing it down. Court rules that activity is illegal.
A group of people send a bunch of server requests to a website server, bringing it down.
Ergo, Slashdotting is illegal.
Well this fellow went out and bought one, but once he found out how limited Linux was for his own use/needs, he simply put the netbook in the closet. He didn't relish the idea of paying $100 for a Windows license to make his cheap under-powered netbook a slightly more useful under-powered netbook for another $100.
So what you're saying is this gentleman had a problem, didn't do any research into the solution, wasn't happy with the solution he chose, and then decided to ignore both the original problem and the problem of the solution he paid for.
Actually, On the sempron I run the newest version of Kubuntu & Opera and they fly. The only real performance boost I gave to the OS was shutting off Nepomuk & Stringi - those two things are useless to me and eat up a huge amount of resources).
even though they're all running XP (Win7 is another little bit slower)
One thing I noticed is that XP has gotten *MUCH* slower with the latest updates. Granted I only keep XP around for Publisher and Yahoo Messenger (on the rare occasions I need photo sharing & webcam) so my Kubuntu partition gets the most attention, but still something to keep in mind.
I also definitely have issues with the OP saying that older hardware can't do the job. My Sempron EOLed in late 2006 and it's STILL doing what I need. And for the record it's a stock 1.6 Ghz.
Then they threw out the perfectly functional Konqueror for Dolphin (which IMO is a lot less convenient to use), gutted Amarok
Two things:
1) Personally I find Dolphin way better at file management than Konqueror or any other file manager. I am working to weaning myself off it and onto PCManFM due to moving to LXDE and not wanting the crazy amount of overhead Dolphin likes to pull in with it.
2) Amarok is outside the purview of the mainline KDE. Frankly, I think next year Clementine will start being packaged with KDE distros instead of Amarok. The only thing I miss from Amarok is podcast support (which is being looked at through Google's Summer of Code 2011)
Beyond that, I'm with you.
First rule of KDE4: Disable Stringi and Nepomuk - purge them if you must. Those two useless pieces of code are the performance killers.
As I recall, the next major revision of KDE4 (or Kubuntu - I don't quite recall) will have a 'low resource version' which kills off all the cute stuff and returns KDE to a somewhat KDE3 state.
Mod up!
I live in Winnipeg, Canada and two winters ago my basement's record low was 8C. Last year I did two things: First I repaired the fascia covering the front of the house's foundation using $20 worth of spray foam and plaster crack fill. (did wonders for drafts). I also banked up the snow around the house 4 to 5 feetr high. I think the lowest temperature down in my basement was 15C.
Agreed. Many people (like myself) want that weight and bulk. I look at many lightweight and thin phones and really notice the poor quality construction which is a by-product of keeping the weight down. I know it won't sustain much damage (which I'm prone to deal out) so it's usually off my list.
Why not? There's absolutely nothing saying they couldn't build their own distro on top of Linux or (most likely) BSD. In fact, I would advocate for that - less resources put into the backend work would allow more resources put into the user experience. It's the blueprint Apple used on OSX and it worked.
With the way the Apple juggernaut has been steamrolling it would make sense to me for Microsoft and Open Source in general to find a way of co-existing.
I think that people within Microsoft are actually very appreciative of Open Source and of Apple in the sense that those other OSes are doing cool stuff, which pushes everyone to do better and 'one-up' the others. This pushes creativity within the OS and interoperability between the OSes in general. In the end, we all like to hate Microsoft or Apple or Linux or BSD because they are not our personal favorite and they are faceless monoliths. It's a lot tougher to hate another programmer or designer just because they draw a paycheque from another company. Personally I am not a fan of Microsoft due to them hamstringing their lower grade products (Home edition missing RDP, easy network control, etc) and making the OS much less functional then my Linux boxen, but I am glad they are around and I wouldn't hold it against anyone who worked for them.
I understand that, however I wonder if a 'refueling' is possible within the constraints of near-future (100 or so years) technology.
What I could see happening is setting up waypoints or space stations near the stars which are used much like the forts were during colonization of North America.