> Python > A very clean, versatile language. Will probably > replace VB for custom RAD in the next decade.
Are you completely deluded? Python replace VB? The fact that it's clean and versatile have nothing to do with it: a language that delineates code blocks with whitespace indentation and a "pure" OO language syntax, replacing a pseudo event driven/linear BASIC derivitive? On what grounds is that statement based? Certainly not a researched one: VB may well have been designed as a prototyping language, but it ceased to be used as one (if it ever was) a long, long time ago.
Perhaps you're trolling for the sheer fun of it. Post some real-world reasoning behind this. You might start using Python instead of VB in the next ten years but I can hardly just see Joe VB'er picking up ActiveState Python -- we're talking Windows platform here -- throwing away a full WYSIWYG design system, throwing away the interactive / edit&continue debugging system and rewriting a 3-tier transactional system to slot into MTS/COM+ services with a SQL backend, wired into ASP at the front; in Python. Yes. That's going to happen soon. Not.
And no, IANAVBP (I am not a VB programmer), but I've been coding 22 years, and I've had chance to use it [VB] over the years. My languages of choice are Tcl/C/C#/x86 and Java.
Well, "divine ship" (or "devine vessel" as some have called it) is only a western interpretation of the word "Shen-Zhou", and a stereotypical one at that. "Shen" can also mean magic as well as divine, and "zhou" can mean boat, vessel or ship.
We as westerners, are all caught up with the image of the Chinese as mystical people selling us Mogwai/Gremlins and rubbing ground rhino horn into their heads each morning. This is just not true. I'd say most Chinese would prefer to translate "Shen-Zhou" as "Magic Boat/Ship". I mean, the Chinese for Aladdin's Magic Carpet could also be translated as his "Divine Floorcovering"; it doesn't really work, does it?
- Oisin
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I'll cede that point; you're right, the comment (bloatware) was only to allay the slashdot massvive. It is big for a reason: it is the default OS shell, not just a browser. It is used by the Help system, local file browsing, Ftp, and is also responsible for Mail/News (O.E. etc), it's a DAV client, it supports full interfacing with embedded com objects and associated com registered scripting languages, VML (vector markup language), and so on and so on.
[snide remark] But, if they want to badge it like a separate entity to avoid litigation, they'll have to stand in line with rest of them. [/snide remark]
I agree with you on all points bar this one:
It's MS's security that seems to be beyond repair, as Windows + Outlook is their product, not Russia's.
In general, this might be true; but in this case, you spout FUD. Outlook nor Windows are at fault for this one. This is a case of plain old send someone a binary, and they execute it for you. Don't run binaries. Of course, you need to be able recognise one to start with, e.g. distinguish nekkid_wimmin.jpg.exe from nekkid_wimmin.jpg
- Oisin
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Well, one thing stands out fairly obviously: Netscape vs. Microsoft was a battle of "steadily getting worse" versus "steadily getting better" software respectively. Moz 0.9 was a dozen times better than v4.7, if you ask me. IE6 may now be bloatware, but netscape 4 was just plain terrible. Nothing worked, everything was hacked into a giant monolithic C program hacked together by undisciplined students.
OTOH, Google is already a nice piece of kit and Microsoft have nothing comparable, as yet.
We've had location based services in parts of Europe for over two years now (uk, ireland, may be in other countires too, esp. finland) it's exactly the 'pull' model. It can be used over WAP -- via GSM data: 9.6k, 14.4k or 43.8k HSCSD mode; or ~64k baud always-on GPRS -- service to check for the nearest ATMs, restaurants, you name it. It can also be triggered by keywords sent via SMS. Very useful.
How is it done? Simple triangulation of the signal strengths between the masts spotted around you.
Am I missing something here? People paid for Windows 98. People are still paying for Win98. Every time a machine is shipped with 98 on it, the boys in Redmond have another beer. And in "stark contrast", Red Hat aren't making any (comparable) money off of RH6/7/8. Noone pays for it. Every time someone downloads Redhat 7/8 off from a RH server, someone has to pay for the bandwidth. Never mind the time/money spent on maintaining it, for _free_.
Was this inevitable? Why should anyone be surprised? They are only keeping on the line that is making them money, like any normal company would, no? I guess this is a product of their staffing level reaching a critical mass; a level whereby their own popularity has killed off their product line. Bandwidth costs, and plain old time and money are an unavoidable part of the Free Software mentality. Good will don't pay the bills! However, it is sad nonetheless. Plenty of smaller distros left that can afford to keep themselves going until they become so popular they have to become commercialised in one way or another too. Let's hope this isn't a sign of things to come.
This is unfortunate, I sympathise with you mate, but any good book will tell you security is about 90% procedure, 10% technology. The situation you find yourself in is due to your own lack of disciplined procedure rather than some inherent flaw in the technology. This is certainly no help now to you, but I'm only defending the tech.
Still missing the point -- I'm not suggesting that their child is being used as a legal excuse, but rather as a tool to encourage the RIAA to back down on this particular case because of the obvious negative PR it will generate.
Let's not miss the point. I don't think the RIAA knew she (or even that it was a 'she') was 12; it was sent to the household where the ISP account is registered. Next stage is that the parents say "shit", we're in trouble, let's contact the papers and try to get out of this mess by way of our 12-year old daughter. It may or may not have been this girl who downloaded the music, this point is moot. The parents are responsible as they most likely set up the account.
A $50m PR stunt? Anything like this is bound to generate good PR, but there are cheaper and more immoral ways to get PR. Try to swallow your pride mate and just accept that regardless of your political sentiments, this is a Good Thing.
Your reaction is just typical/. kneejerk. Yes, we're all suspicious, but $50m worth of hardware is $50m worth of hardware. Those who wish to run an alternate O/S will do so.
You really don't understand the/. mentality, do you? By the same logic: Why would you want to _comment_ on a 5mb version of an o/s that came out over 8 years ago?
Because, much like canine tongue and scrota, we just can.
With you there 100% mate. Everything else aside, the article is an absolutely waste of time -- vaguaries and fud. I was just trying to preempt the inevitable vacuous exchange of misinformation that follows.
Moderators should be able to mod a top level article: this would surely go down as a troll. It seems worse than that even -- the powers that be know they'll get a flurry of postings with a title like that, and that can't be bad for advertising revenue either, can it?
Woe betides us once more: brace yourselves for another flood of misinformed, biased and downright incorrect assertions from both sides of the fence. Please, no "c# is java", ".net is slower than java" or other such empty statements. If you've worked with.NET for 6 months plus (remoting/asp.net/interop/ado.net), great. We welcome your comments. Perl monkeys need not apply.
Likewise for you "java" programmers out there who in actuality have only ever compiled one applet, and it was a recompilation of a decompiled shareware scroller that you removed the copyright notice from. Well done. On the other hand, if you've solid experience developing beans, rmi and other such projects, we also welcome your comments.
unless it is contained in a tunnel with the wind being blown behind you at the same speed. Oops, the conveyor belt stops, blown onto your face, sue! Oops, wind stops, blown backwards, smash the face of the person behind you, sue! You will have people literally running into the back of you.
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> Python
> A very clean, versatile language. Will probably
> replace VB for custom RAD in the next decade.
Are you completely deluded? Python replace VB? The fact that it's clean and versatile have nothing to do with it: a language that delineates code blocks with whitespace indentation and a "pure" OO language syntax, replacing a pseudo event driven/linear BASIC derivitive? On what grounds is that statement based? Certainly not a researched one: VB may well have been designed as a prototyping language, but it ceased to be used as one (if it ever was) a long, long time ago.
Perhaps you're trolling for the sheer fun of it. Post some real-world reasoning behind this. You might start using Python instead of VB in the next ten years but I can hardly just see Joe VB'er picking up ActiveState Python -- we're talking Windows platform here -- throwing away a full WYSIWYG design system, throwing away the interactive / edit&continue debugging system and rewriting a 3-tier transactional system to slot into MTS/COM+ services with a SQL backend, wired into ASP at the front; in Python. Yes. That's going to happen soon. Not.
And no, IANAVBP (I am not a VB programmer), but I've been coding 22 years, and I've had chance to use it [VB] over the years. My languages of choice are Tcl/C/C#/x86 and Java.
Anyhow, my 2 cents. I await your justification.
- Oisin
I couldn't remember where I'd read it, but figured it was interesting enough to repeat. Whore I am.
- Oisin
Well, "divine ship" (or "devine vessel" as some have called it) is only a western interpretation of the word "Shen-Zhou", and a stereotypical one at that. "Shen" can also mean magic as well as divine, and "zhou" can mean boat, vessel or ship.
We as westerners, are all caught up with the image of the Chinese as mystical people selling us Mogwai/Gremlins and rubbing ground rhino horn into their heads each morning. This is just not true. I'd say most Chinese would prefer to translate "Shen-Zhou" as "Magic Boat/Ship". I mean, the Chinese for Aladdin's Magic Carpet could also be translated as his "Divine Floorcovering"; it doesn't really work, does it?
- Oisin
I'll cede that point; you're right, the comment (bloatware) was only to allay the slashdot massvive. It is big for a reason: it is the default OS shell, not just a browser. It is used by the Help system, local file browsing, Ftp, and is also responsible for Mail/News (O.E. etc), it's a DAV client, it supports full interfacing with embedded com objects and associated com registered scripting languages, VML (vector markup language), and so on and so on.
[snide remark]
But, if they want to badge it like a separate entity to avoid litigation, they'll have to stand in line with rest of them.
[/snide remark]
- Oisin
I agree with you on all points bar this one: It's MS's security that seems to be beyond repair, as Windows + Outlook is their product, not Russia's. In general, this might be true; but in this case, you spout FUD. Outlook nor Windows are at fault for this one. This is a case of plain old send someone a binary, and they execute it for you. Don't run binaries. Of course, you need to be able recognise one to start with, e.g. distinguish nekkid_wimmin.jpg.exe from nekkid_wimmin.jpg - Oisin
Well, one thing stands out fairly obviously: Netscape vs. Microsoft was a battle of "steadily getting worse" versus "steadily getting better" software respectively. Moz 0.9 was a dozen times better than v4.7, if you ask me. IE6 may now be bloatware, but netscape 4 was just plain terrible. Nothing worked, everything was hacked into a giant monolithic C program hacked together by undisciplined students.
OTOH, Google is already a nice piece of kit and Microsoft have nothing comparable, as yet.
- Oisin
We've had location based services in parts of Europe for over two years now (uk, ireland, may be in other countires too, esp. finland) it's exactly the 'pull' model. It can be used over WAP -- via GSM data: 9.6k, 14.4k or 43.8k HSCSD mode; or ~64k baud always-on GPRS -- service to check for the nearest ATMs, restaurants, you name it. It can also be triggered by keywords sent via SMS. Very useful.
How is it done? Simple triangulation of the signal strengths between the masts spotted around you.
- Oisin
Am I missing something here? People paid for Windows 98. People are still paying for Win98. Every time a machine is shipped with 98 on it, the boys in Redmond have another beer. And in "stark contrast", Red Hat aren't making any (comparable) money off of RH6/7/8. Noone pays for it. Every time someone downloads Redhat 7/8 off from a RH server, someone has to pay for the bandwidth. Never mind the time/money spent on maintaining it, for _free_.
> And the faster you drop support, the faster
> I'm switching. See ya!
What sort of attitude is that? Why do Red Hat and the people who've worked on it for little or nothing owe _you_ anything? Pff.
Was this inevitable? Why should anyone be surprised? They are only keeping on the line that is making them money, like any normal company would, no? I guess this is a product of their staffing level reaching a critical mass; a level whereby their own popularity has killed off their product line. Bandwidth costs, and plain old time and money are an unavoidable part of the Free Software mentality. Good will don't pay the bills! However, it is sad nonetheless. Plenty of smaller distros left that can afford to keep themselves going until they become so popular they have to become commercialised in one way or another too. Let's hope this isn't a sign of things to come.
This is unfortunate, I sympathise with you mate, but any good book will tell you security is about 90% procedure, 10% technology. The situation you find yourself in is due to your own lack of disciplined procedure rather than some inherent flaw in the technology. This is certainly no help now to you, but I'm only defending the tech.
- Oisin
Still missing the point -- I'm not suggesting that their child is being used as a legal excuse, but rather as a tool to encourage the RIAA to back down on this particular case because of the obvious negative PR it will generate.
- Oisin
Let's not miss the point. I don't think the RIAA knew she (or even that it was a 'she') was 12; it was sent to the household where the ISP account is registered. Next stage is that the parents say "shit", we're in trouble, let's contact the papers and try to get out of this mess by way of our 12-year old daughter. It may or may not have been this girl who downloaded the music, this point is moot. The parents are responsible as they most likely set up the account.
- Oisin
Damn! and I'd nearly completed the whole Barney catalogue in mp3. Anyone got a copy of barney_and_the_squirrel.mp3?
A $50m PR stunt? Anything like this is bound to generate good PR, but there are cheaper and more immoral ways to get PR. Try to swallow your pride mate and just accept that regardless of your political sentiments, this is a Good Thing.
/. kneejerk. Yes, we're all suspicious, but $50m worth of hardware is $50m worth of hardware. Those who wish to run an alternate O/S will do so.
Your reaction is just typical
- Oisin
You really don't understand the /. mentality, do you? By the same logic: Why would you want to _comment_ on a 5mb version of an o/s that came out over 8 years ago?
Because, much like canine tongue and scrota, we just can.
- Ois
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't prolific leechers automatically prolific sharers (by default)?
- Oisin
d'oh. Answering my own question here:
Because AAC is not an encoding format supported by M$ WMA.
- Oisin
I knew that subject would get your respective attentions, but... the obvious question is, why wasn't WMA v8/v9 included in the test?
- Oisin
Just pass the buck: x-originating-ip
- Oisin
Not quite true. The system account, aka localsystem, does not have access to network resources. A big difference.
With you there 100% mate. Everything else aside, the article is an absolutely waste of time -- vaguaries and fud. I was just trying to preempt the inevitable vacuous exchange of misinformation that follows.
Moderators should be able to mod a top level article: this would surely go down as a troll. It seems worse than that even -- the powers that be know they'll get a flurry of postings with a title like that, and that can't be bad for advertising revenue either, can it?
- Oisin
Woe betides us once more: brace yourselves for another flood of misinformed, biased and downright incorrect assertions from both sides of the fence. Please, no "c# is java", ".net is slower than java" or other such empty statements. If you've worked with .NET for 6 months plus (remoting/asp.net/interop/ado.net), great. We welcome your comments. Perl monkeys need not apply.
Likewise for you "java" programmers out there who in actuality have only ever compiled one applet, and it was a recompilation of a decompiled shareware scroller that you removed the copyright notice from. Well done. On the other hand, if you've solid experience developing beans, rmi and other such projects, we also welcome your comments.
The rest of you shut up and learn.
Rant over.
- Oisin
Yep, it's all very clinical and precise until you bring alcohol into the equasion.
unless it is contained in a tunnel with the wind being blown behind you at the same speed. Oops, the conveyor belt stops, blown onto your face, sue! Oops, wind stops, blown backwards, smash the face of the person behind you, sue! You will have people literally running into the back of you.