That's my experience as well. We have several hundred desktops and servers here, most running Linux, but a few Windows and Mac systems as well. We never shut them down except for maintenance or prolonged power problems. The majority of the hardware problems we see occur on power up after one of these instances. But we don't see too many.
Our environment promotes this, because the Linux systems are generally in use 24x7, but because it seems to prolong system life, we just leave everything up. Over time, we have found even some of the windows users like to remote login from home to their desktops, once they realize they can.
I have the same philosophy at home, run fairly old hardware, and have few hardware problems.
I was wondering if anyone else was going to bring this up or if I'd have to. Since.com was the ugly stepsister, and most everyone had email and file transfer access through uucp, most people weren't in a hurry to change anything. For a small company without any research ties, it was (a) hard to get anything besides third or lower tier uucp, (b) a connection besides uucp to a university or a well-connected friend's company was horribly expensive, and (c) there wasn't much point- it bought you nothing.
In 1988 I worked at Sales Technologies, which went by...emory.edu!stiatl . Even when we registered salestech.com, it took a while before we could really do much with it. 98% of the people we did anything with still had to reach us through UUCP, which meant !!!!!!stiatl.
The AX84 BBS- the forum that goes along with the AX84 website- is a great place to learn about analog electronics. It's primarily tube amp oriented, but is starting to branch out more. And it boasts one of the best (if not the best) communities on the net, anywhere. From beginners to experts, everyone learns, evryone contributes, everyone has fun-- and a lot of very cool amps get built.
We never used Exchange. But there are valid reasons beyond being Slashdot reaers (as if that weren't enough).
1) We're a heterogeneous shop with 10% Win, 10% Mac, 80% Linux. The Linux users include people who still use text-based mailers (elm, mutt, etc). Exchange is useless for the latter.
2) We spoke with three consultants. All told us Exchange would need *serious* hardware compared to what we were used to. All told us we'd need to have someone available to spend a lot of time managing it (they know we wouldn't be retaining them for daily operations and maintenance, so that wasn't it). Every last one of them came in with a total package cost well over $10K for hardware and software. At the time, we were a 50 person company.
...and maybe even usenet. And whatever similar sources you like.
The best recycling is always as close to original use as possible. Free stuff gets picked up pretty fast from craigslist in my experience (used to work for usenet, but the spammers and jerks ran everyone off). You can always put stiplations on it, which aren't binding, but at least encourage people.
I recently got rid of over 6 linear feet of technical books I no longer need this way, and several old computers. A geek picked the books up, and will sell or donate the ones he doesn't need (it was an all or nothing pickup). The computers went to a guy who reuses all the good parts to put together computers for himself, friends, whoever. I didn't even ask if he charges; I just needed them gone and he'll use them as much as possible.
This is just another case of two jackasses (a pathetic consumer and an even more pathetic lawyer) jerking things around, and a deranged court system allowing it. There's plenty of historical precedent for the way the drives were marketed.
While I'm glad we don't live in a perfect state of "buyer beware", the current nany state is even scarier.
... whose headline shows a bias against creationists. The article suggests that the paper's author is neither against religion nor those who believe in creation, but is simply concerned with facts and the truth.
While there are certainly creationists who will put aside facts in their quest for upholding their beliefs, the same is true for pretty much any group of people, including evolutionists. Both sides also have people who really do care about the truth and facts.
To denigrate either side is to show a base prejudice unworthy of humanity.
If by "conventional wisdom" you mean "the bottom line at the expense of everything else, including quality of product and quality of life for everyone below upper management", then by all means, ignore it. Too many companies today have completely lost sight of the big picture-- just like the day trading public who thinks an economy can run smoothly when people without a clue or long term goal keep everything churning as fast and randomly as possible.
1) A lot of people are either stupid or uneducated. 2) A lot of people don't bother to think. 3) A Lot of people are sheep and believe what they're told by marketing. 4) A lot of people are lazy.
I guarantee you this covers the vast majority of the problems with IT security. It's not biological evolution, though you could make a good argument for societal devolution being the problem.
Given the sheer number of variables and lack of evidence here other than some statistics with little to no hard data to back them up, it's all a crapshoot. You could as easily credit the Christian Church or the rise of paganism for the same result.
But why was the OP "shocked"? Many of the big environmental groups, at the top, are indistinguishable from the people they're fighting. It's power at any cost, and screw everyone who disagrees.
Not really, because as they're just web servers, you have a fairly minimal OS install footprint. There aren't that many things to keep up with. The odd kernel or basic library update, httpd update, and probably ssh-related stuff.
Slashdot Mirror
That's my experience as well. We have several hundred desktops and servers here, most running Linux, but a few Windows and Mac systems as well. We never shut them down except for maintenance or prolonged power problems. The majority of the hardware problems we see occur on power up after one of these instances. But we don't see too many.
Our environment promotes this, because the Linux systems are generally in use 24x7, but because it seems to prolong system life, we just leave everything up. Over time, we have found even some of the windows users like to remote login from home to their desktops, once they realize they can.
I have the same philosophy at home, run fairly old hardware, and have few hardware problems.
It's pretty sad when the Worst Idea of the Year is guaranted in mid-January.
I hear SCO is looking for a new business model, but they want to stay with what they know...
"Walled-garden, data horders"???
Nothing like emotional polarization rather than rational discussion. Is the poster running for president or something?
Those damn Russians!
This is why we need a SuperNova Defense Shield!
Someone get Oliver Wendall Jones on the line, now!
I was wondering if anyone else was going to bring this up or if I'd have to. Since .com was the ugly stepsister, and most everyone had email and file transfer access through uucp, most people weren't in a hurry to change anything. For a small company without any research ties, it was (a) hard to get anything besides third or lower tier uucp, (b) a connection besides uucp to a university or a well-connected friend's company was horribly expensive, and (c) there wasn't much point- it bought you nothing.
...emory.edu!stiatl . Even when we registered salestech.com, it took a while before we could really do much with it. 98% of the people we did anything with still had to reach us through UUCP, which meant !!!!!!stiatl.
In 1988 I worked at Sales Technologies, which went by
It gave us huge geek foo, though.
The AX84 BBS- the forum that goes along with the AX84 website- is a great place to learn about analog electronics. It's primarily tube amp oriented, but is starting to branch out more. And it boasts one of the best (if not the best) communities on the net, anywhere. From beginners to experts, everyone learns, evryone contributes, everyone has fun-- and a lot of very cool amps get built.
We never used Exchange. But there are valid reasons beyond being Slashdot reaers (as if that weren't enough).
1) We're a heterogeneous shop with 10% Win, 10% Mac, 80% Linux. The Linux users include people who still use text-based mailers (elm, mutt, etc). Exchange is useless for the latter.
2) We spoke with three consultants. All told us Exchange would need *serious* hardware compared to what we were used to. All told us we'd need to have someone available to spend a lot of time managing it (they know we wouldn't be retaining them for daily operations and maintenance, so that wasn't it). Every last one of them came in with a total package cost well over $10K for hardware and software. At the time, we were a 50 person company.
I don't remember the last time I bought a new CD because of these idiots.
Now I will start buying CDs on the EMI label!
Seems like a DC grid would be a lot easier to have people feed surplus power into from solar cells.
...and maybe even usenet. And whatever similar sources you like.
The best recycling is always as close to original use as possible. Free stuff gets picked up pretty fast from craigslist in my experience (used to work for usenet, but the spammers and jerks ran everyone off). You can always put stiplations on it, which aren't binding, but at least encourage people.
I recently got rid of over 6 linear feet of technical books I no longer need this way, and several old computers. A geek picked the books up, and will sell or donate the ones he doesn't need (it was an all or nothing pickup). The computers went to a guy who reuses all the good parts to put together computers for himself, friends, whoever. I didn't even ask if he charges; I just needed them gone and he'll use them as much as possible.
Microsoft wants to restore your memories. Do you allow Microsoft to restore your memories?
[X] Yes [] No
[X] Always trust Microsoft to restore your memories
That's why you hear a loud beeping sound!
or else they're in bed with them.
My office mate was thinking a big EMP over that ISP would solve the problem.
I was thinking more along the lines of a tactical neutron bomb. Why waste the computers?
As a user, I really couldn't care less which way it goes.
Just don't break things that work now!
As a developer, I really don't care, either.
Just don't break things that work now!
This is just another case of two jackasses (a pathetic consumer and an even more pathetic lawyer) jerking things around, and a deranged court system allowing it. There's plenty of historical precedent for the way the drives were marketed.
While I'm glad we don't live in a perfect state of "buyer beware", the current nany state is even scarier.
Penmanship and drawing are no longer really taught, much less learned, in most schools.
Plus, what if you get carpal tunnel? What if your hand is in a cast, or infected and bandaged, or whatever?
... whose headline shows a bias against creationists. The article suggests that the paper's author is neither against religion nor those who believe in creation, but is simply concerned with facts and the truth.
While there are certainly creationists who will put aside facts in their quest for upholding their beliefs, the same is true for pretty much any group of people, including evolutionists. Both sides also have people who really do care about the truth and facts.
To denigrate either side is to show a base prejudice unworthy of humanity.
If by "conventional wisdom" you mean "the bottom line at the expense of everything else, including quality of product and quality of life for everyone below upper management", then by all means, ignore it. Too many companies today have completely lost sight of the big picture-- just like the day trading public who thinks an economy can run smoothly when people without a clue or long term goal keep everything churning as fast and randomly as possible.
He was in the right place, and it musta been the right time...
The real problems are, in no particular order:
1) A lot of people are either stupid or uneducated.
2) A lot of people don't bother to think.
3) A Lot of people are sheep and believe what they're told by marketing.
4) A lot of people are lazy.
I guarantee you this covers the vast majority of the problems with IT security. It's not biological evolution, though you could make a good argument for societal devolution being the problem.
Given the sheer number of variables and lack of evidence here other than some statistics with little to no hard data to back them up, it's all a crapshoot. You could as easily credit the Christian Church or the rise of paganism for the same result.
... I gotta agree.
But why was the OP "shocked"? Many of the big environmental groups, at the top, are indistinguishable from the people they're fighting. It's power at any cost, and screw everyone who disagrees.
I was just thinking, "Hey! I saw that movie!"
Not really, because as they're just web servers, you have a fairly minimal OS install footprint. There aren't that many things to keep up with. The odd kernel or basic library update, httpd update, and probably ssh-related stuff.
I should know; my web server is on 7.3. 8^)