don't forget freddie printz junior, beasta-peda-necro-denro-phile midget amputee interracial porn doesn't offend me, but his movies do, they're just done in bad taste.
I will use this oportunity to plug the Super Orb. I got one and used it on a Thunderbird Athalon 950 Mhz, and I could easily overclock it more, it works that well. I can feel warm air coming off the base, but most of the heatsink is below room temperature. It rocks. I think it costs maybe $15 if that, there is no excuse not to get one, unless you are getting a golden orb or one of the huge copper/aluminum heatsinks.
You are absolutly right, although I think what is holding people back is knowledge and running cable. That is why I mentioned wireless. Knowledge is the real obstacle though, so it would need to be the harware and software sellers that dumb things down for people.
However, it's so easy to take exception to your statement about the quality of XBox and GameCube's graphics, being that all we've seen so far are screen snapshots and simulations of them. You've fallen for microsoft's FUD on the subject, obviously...
I haven't fallen for any FUD, or in this case, I think it would be hype. My focus is the gamecube, actually. I have seen video's of the actual realtime renderings being done with the actual hardware, not just simulations. There are a few of those videos out there. If nothing else I know that the thousand marios demo was done in realtime on real hardware, it is like 10 minutes long and the guy in the backround says so.
Actually I think that a soundblaster live probably has much better Digital to Analog conersion, but yes you are probably right that people aren't going to want a new computer for more channels of audio.
I have thnking about this off and on for sometime now (mr. anderson). Before I say anything, a thunderbird athalon is much faster than my 300 Mhz PII for even simple stuff like obsessivly reloading slashdot. That said, there might be a few platues along the way where not many people feel the need to upgrade. If you think about the trends though you can see, that one computer for one person is not really the way things are going to go for the average home. Home networking is going to be very mainstream in 2 years + or - a year. Wireless and other things will make it easy. Falt panel monitors are poised to become practical in a year or two too. Families want everyone to have their own computer, but that's expensive. The computer they also just bought is faster than anything they need. How to solve this problem ? Servers and terminals of course. This is where.NET is heading and is where Linux and Microsoft will eventually be fighting I think. Instead of buying everyone a computer, dad goes out and buys a server to be placed in the basement, and everyone gets their own terminal. Anyone could see that this could lead to faster single computers and more expensive ones too ( good for the hardware insustry, higher margins). Obviously this won't happen for a while but home networking will hit soon enough.(I am proud to say my home was networked with I was in 7th grade and I am now 19).
We already have photorealistic graphics via the Geforce 3.
No it isn't, you are just being sensationalistic. I think 3D is just now starting to get to the point where its really good. The playstation's graphics sucked ass. N64 was bearable 3D, dreamcast and PS2 are practical, and I think that the xbox and gamecube are finally into the realm of good 3D.
Music is about as good as it can get with MP3, Vorbis, WMA, whatever.
No it isn't, although I am not one of those people who says "mp3 sounds like crap, my ears are 31337!" (192 Kbs mp3 sounds great I think) there is still alot to be desired. What will happen when DVD audio comes out? You will need five channels and that means bigger files, but more importantly more redudancy between channels to be compressed which means more CPU cycles. Not to mention that audio codecs are still evolving.
Maybe I am getting trolled, but this is the most sensationalistic thing I have read in a long time, it is people like you who sit on their asses while other people forge ahead because they are not content with what they have.
I have said this a few times before but I think that one killer app for the masses is video conferencing. I have video conferenced with my friends in LA and it is alot of fun. You might say "Video Conferencing just requires more bandwidth." Well of course that's true to an extent but the codecs used in voice and video are made so that a computer can compress them quickly. Mpeg4 is very slow to compress and is not near real time in even a top computer. Mp3 is starting to become easily compressed in realtime, although I don't know about the second generation of good lossy codecs like vorbis, wma (gasp!) and whatever fraunhoffer is planning to cram up America's ass when they get their shit together and release their new codec. Mpeg4 looks nice, and with something with low movement like video conferencing video and optimizations like silence cut-offs, video conferencing should be a given for people with high-end systems and high bandwidth, eighther at home of work. Maybe mpeg4 isn't the way to go immediatly, but you get the point. That and maybe Doom3 when it's released.
It seems that most peiople are debating whether the ps2 is a threat or not. That's easy, it isn't and it won't be by the time the xbox launches at this pace. I want an xbox and especially a gamecube very badly, but I have no desire to get a ps2. The real competition is the gamecube and it should be obvious to anyone paying attention. Alot of people have said they don't care about the ps2 because they have a dreamcast and the games are better, and they are. The xbox might have more developers and probly will have more games at launch but that won't matter with the games nintendo will have. Mario, zelda, metroid, pokemon, waverace, and a star wars game. When people see these, not too mention that they will be able to use the already released gameboy advance with it, the temptation will be complete. The graphics look incredible, but the real kicker is of course the actual games. Banking on seeing character's everyone already loves in a new light is a good bet. What does the xbox have? Malice? I have never heard of any of the characters in any of the games that the xbox is going to be launching. Malice? never heard of it. Dead or Alive 3? Silent Hill 2? Maybe tony hawk and oddworld, but those are cheap gimicks compared to lineup of established games that are all but guaranteed to be of very high quality.
Hmm, who do you think a site like planetxbox is going to be biased towards? Maybe the XboX! The playstation 2 is no comptetition to eighther of them, but I have seen video's of both gamecube and xbox games and the gamecubes look better I think. I still think that the xbox will have a little more power in the end, but not a whole lot. The gamcube has a chip from ATI that hasn't been disclosed yet to the extent that the geforce 3 has so its anyone's guess. A 400Mhz powerPC is probably just as fast if not faster than a 733 pentium 3 too.
This really opens up lots of posibilities. I think that having apache on an xbox is a great idea, but I don't think it is the best thing you could do with an xbox by a long shot. The hardware in one is more than what is in my computer now by a very wide margin. If linux was customized for it there would be endless possibilities. Everything could be compiled for pentium III's making sure that everything is making as much use of the processor as possible, put on an ISO that runs as a game to boot up linux, and off you go. Clustering would easily become a possibility. Auto detection of other xboxes on the network wouldn't be hard at all, and they could automatically turn themselves into a cluster, eighther for redundancy or speed. The difficulty I have seen is that when people are trying to install netBSD or linux on dreamcasts, everything is left up to them. If only ISO's were distributed with everything already on them, it would be so much easier. I don't know if the xbox is made to not take CDR's though. Render farms, emulation, fileservers, mp3 players dvd players, diviX players, the possibilites are vast, and all the while you are screwing microsoft because they are selling them at such a loss. Beautiful!
I want Ogg Vorbis to succeed very much. I am still waiting for beta 5 or 1.0 before I go on a rampage and and encode everything I can find into.ogg Right now it doesn't support copmression between the redundancy of channels I believe so stero music isn't getting reduced to the size that it could be. When that gets built in, there will be many many full CD's available somewhere.
Hell yeah, more power to nintendo. And this time around development for the gamecube will be much easier. They have so much pull behind them. I have played games like Crazy Taxi and Tony hawk, and they are fun, but games like Zelda and Metroid are beyond that, I can get emotionally attached to them and can still get tense when I face big boss. Its stuff like that that sony doen't have, sega didn't have, and microsoft probably won't have. Also, Microsoft's targeted audience is the older audience. I can't believe no one has noticed it yet, but no one really associated Microsoft with fun. Think about all the people in accounts payable(tm) who use Microsoft all day long. Do you think they want to buy their kids a freaking x-box? Eh, I don't think so.
I have always kind of wondered how much linux distro's help each other out. Obviously they can all see each other's sources, but do they try to compete with each other or take the attitude from Rounders - pirana's don't eat each other. It seems that it would be in their best interest to work together, the bigger linux gets, the better they all do. I should have asked it when I got the chance I guess. Also, Bob Young seems really cool.
Your points are completly valid, I agree with all of them, however sony fucked up big with the playstation 2 and the shit will hit the fan financially. A choice between a gamecube or xbox and indrema might be in order.
My school's highest computer course was html until last year when they offered a class in basic. It sucked, but hey I got to take a class outside of it at the local university in C. That was the most useful class I took in high school by a very wide margin.
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The movie Last Man Standing with Bruce Willis and Christopher Walken is another example of a movie made off of an old japanese samurai movie.
don't forget freddie printz junior, beasta-peda-necro-denro-phile midget amputee interracial porn doesn't offend me, but his movies do, they're just done in bad taste.
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I will use this oportunity to plug the Super Orb. I got one and used it on a Thunderbird Athalon 950 Mhz, and I could easily overclock it more, it works that well. I can feel warm air coming off the base, but most of the heatsink is below room temperature. It rocks. I think it costs maybe $15 if that, there is no excuse not to get one, unless you are getting a golden orb or one of the huge copper/aluminum heatsinks.
You are absolutly right, although I think what is holding people back is knowledge and running cable. That is why I mentioned wireless. Knowledge is the real obstacle though, so it would need to be the harware and software sellers that dumb things down for people.
My point was the processor speed can become the bottleneck with advanced video codecs like mpeg4 and that bandwidth stops being the issue.
However, it's so easy to take exception to your statement about the quality of XBox and GameCube's graphics, being that all we've seen so far are screen snapshots and simulations of them. You've fallen for microsoft's FUD on the subject, obviously...
I haven't fallen for any FUD, or in this case, I think it would be hype. My focus is the gamecube, actually. I have seen video's of the actual realtime renderings being done with the actual hardware, not just simulations. There are a few of those videos out there. If nothing else I know that the thousand marios demo was done in realtime on real hardware, it is like 10 minutes long and the guy in the backround says so.
And nobody will ever need over 640K of RAM or whatever the quote is.
That's cool to know, I wasn't taking reduced framerates into consideration.
Actually I think that a soundblaster live probably has much better Digital to Analog conersion, but yes you are probably right that people aren't going to want a new computer for more channels of audio.
I don't see how this is relevant seeing as CD audio is uncompressed and not what I was talking about.
I have thnking about this off and on for sometime now (mr. anderson). Before I say anything, a thunderbird athalon is much faster than my 300 Mhz PII for even simple stuff like obsessivly reloading slashdot. That said, there might be a few platues along the way where not many people feel the need to upgrade. If you think about the trends though you can see, that one computer for one person is not really the way things are going to go for the average home. Home networking is going to be very mainstream in 2 years + or - a year. Wireless and other things will make it easy. Falt panel monitors are poised to become practical in a year or two too. Families want everyone to have their own computer, but that's expensive. The computer they also just bought is faster than anything they need. How to solve this problem ? Servers and terminals of course. This is where .NET is heading and is where Linux and Microsoft will eventually be fighting I think. Instead of buying everyone a computer, dad goes out and buys a server to be placed in the basement, and everyone gets their own terminal. Anyone could see that this could lead to faster single computers and more expensive ones too ( good for the hardware insustry, higher margins). Obviously this won't happen for a while but home networking will hit soon enough.(I am proud to say my home was networked with I was in 7th grade and I am now 19).
We already have photorealistic graphics via the Geforce 3.
No it isn't, you are just being sensationalistic. I think 3D is just now starting to get to the point where its really good. The playstation's graphics sucked ass. N64 was bearable 3D, dreamcast and PS2 are practical, and I think that the xbox and gamecube are finally into the realm of good 3D.
Music is about as good as it can get with MP3, Vorbis, WMA, whatever.
No it isn't, although I am not one of those people who says "mp3 sounds like crap, my ears are 31337!" (192 Kbs mp3 sounds great I think) there is still alot to be desired. What will happen when DVD audio comes out? You will need five channels and that means bigger files, but more importantly more redudancy between channels to be compressed which means more CPU cycles. Not to mention that audio codecs are still evolving.
Maybe I am getting trolled, but this is the most sensationalistic thing I have read in a long time, it is people like you who sit on their asses while other people forge ahead because they are not content with what they have.
I have said this a few times before but I think that one killer app for the masses is video conferencing. I have video conferenced with my friends in LA and it is alot of fun. You might say "Video Conferencing just requires more bandwidth." Well of course that's true to an extent but the codecs used in voice and video are made so that a computer can compress them quickly. Mpeg4 is very slow to compress and is not near real time in even a top computer. Mp3 is starting to become easily compressed in realtime, although I don't know about the second generation of good lossy codecs like vorbis, wma (gasp!) and whatever fraunhoffer is planning to cram up America's ass when they get their shit together and release their new codec. Mpeg4 looks nice, and with something with low movement like video conferencing video and optimizations like silence cut-offs, video conferencing should be a given for people with high-end systems and high bandwidth, eighther at home of work. Maybe mpeg4 isn't the way to go immediatly, but you get the point. That and maybe Doom3 when it's released.
Imagine a beowulf cluster of us!
What would you suggest?
It seems that most peiople are debating whether the ps2 is a threat or not. That's easy, it isn't and it won't be by the time the xbox launches at this pace. I want an xbox and especially a gamecube very badly, but I have no desire to get a ps2. The real competition is the gamecube and it should be obvious to anyone paying attention. Alot of people have said they don't care about the ps2 because they have a dreamcast and the games are better, and they are. The xbox might have more developers and probly will have more games at launch but that won't matter with the games nintendo will have. Mario, zelda, metroid, pokemon, waverace, and a star wars game. When people see these, not too mention that they will be able to use the already released gameboy advance with it, the temptation will be complete. The graphics look incredible, but the real kicker is of course the actual games. Banking on seeing character's everyone already loves in a new light is a good bet. What does the xbox have? Malice? I have never heard of any of the characters in any of the games that the xbox is going to be launching. Malice? never heard of it. Dead or Alive 3? Silent Hill 2? Maybe tony hawk and oddworld, but those are cheap gimicks compared to lineup of established games that are all but guaranteed to be of very high quality.
Hmm, who do you think a site like planetxbox is going to be biased towards? Maybe the XboX! The playstation 2 is no comptetition to eighther of them, but I have seen video's of both gamecube and xbox games and the gamecubes look better I think. I still think that the xbox will have a little more power in the end, but not a whole lot. The gamcube has a chip from ATI that hasn't been disclosed yet to the extent that the geforce 3 has so its anyone's guess. A 400Mhz powerPC is probably just as fast if not faster than a 733 pentium 3 too.
I highly doubt it, there are custom modifications to the xbox geforece 3, and custom pipelines between different hardware components.
This really opens up lots of posibilities. I think that having apache on an xbox is a great idea, but I don't think it is the best thing you could do with an xbox by a long shot. The hardware in one is more than what is in my computer now by a very wide margin. If linux was customized for it there would be endless possibilities. Everything could be compiled for pentium III's making sure that everything is making as much use of the processor as possible, put on an ISO that runs as a game to boot up linux, and off you go. Clustering would easily become a possibility. Auto detection of other xboxes on the network wouldn't be hard at all, and they could automatically turn themselves into a cluster, eighther for redundancy or speed. The difficulty I have seen is that when people are trying to install netBSD or linux on dreamcasts, everything is left up to them. If only ISO's were distributed with everything already on them, it would be so much easier. I don't know if the xbox is made to not take CDR's though. Render farms, emulation, fileservers, mp3 players dvd players, diviX players, the possibilites are vast, and all the while you are screwing microsoft because they are selling them at such a loss. Beautiful!
I want Ogg Vorbis to succeed very much. I am still waiting for beta 5 or 1.0 before I go on a rampage and and encode everything I can find into .ogg Right now it doesn't support copmression between the redundancy of channels I believe so stero music isn't getting reduced to the size that it could be. When that gets built in, there will be many many full CD's available somewhere.
Hell yeah, more power to nintendo. And this time around development for the gamecube will be much easier. They have so much pull behind them. I have played games like Crazy Taxi and Tony hawk, and they are fun, but games like Zelda and Metroid are beyond that, I can get emotionally attached to them and can still get tense when I face big boss. Its stuff like that that sony doen't have, sega didn't have, and microsoft probably won't have. Also, Microsoft's targeted audience is the older audience. I can't believe no one has noticed it yet, but no one really associated Microsoft with fun. Think about all the people in accounts payable(tm) who use Microsoft all day long. Do you think they want to buy their kids a freaking x-box? Eh, I don't think so.
I have always kind of wondered how much linux distro's help each other out. Obviously they can all see each other's sources, but do they try to compete with each other or take the attitude from Rounders - pirana's don't eat each other. It seems that it would be in their best interest to work together, the bigger linux gets, the better they all do. I should have asked it when I got the chance I guess. Also, Bob Young seems really cool.
Your points are completly valid, I agree with all of them, however sony fucked up big with the playstation 2 and the shit will hit the fan financially. A choice between a gamecube or xbox and indrema might be in order.
My school's highest computer course was html until last year when they offered a class in basic. It sucked, but hey I got to take a class outside of it at the local university in C. That was the most useful class I took in high school by a very wide margin.