The top of the line AMD is a 1.4ghz T-bird on a 266mhz FSB. Which, you are right, is priced at ~100. (Marketing: apple [the fruit])
The top of the line Intel is a 2.0ghz on a 400mhz FSB. And actually the price is $570. (Marketing: orange)
You are right, the top of the line is ~$500, but Intel's top of the line carries larger numbers.
Of course, MHZ isn't an acurate scale of performance or power, but it is the scale looked at by home and business consumers.
To see where the price war is you need to look at the Pentium 4 1.4ghz (400mhz FSB). That little cpu is priced at $114. A very (price wise) competitive product. (Marketing: apple [the fruit])
It comes down to comparing apples with oranges, really. It is a nice way to try to prove a point, but still wrong.
Just remember, AMD was proud to use a mhz rating to describe its chips back when it held the highest.
Finally, the public can never be made aware of how little mhz has to do with actual performance because it already realize mhz isn't entirely accurate, it just isn't willing to invest the time and effort to investigate actual performace data.
I can see it now.
Circuit City Rep.: "Can I help you?"
Customer: "Yes, what does this mean: AMD Athlon 3.921k D.ALU"
Circuit City Rep.: "Derstern Arth.. Er, that's the number of additions it can do a minute."
Customer: "But it's cheaper than this Intel Pentium 4 2.0ghz. Something doesn't seem right, this must be a better computer. My old computer is only a 300mhz, what does that mean?"
Circuit City Rep.: "Well 2.0ghz is 2000mhz."
Customer: "I'll take the pentium."
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I guess it would be a really effective form of Communism. I wouldn't mind if 4 billion others could instantaneously help me debug a malfunction with one my finger's servos.
Actually, once we're able to forcably remove thoughts from each other's heads who will need computers? I mean, aside from the computers implanted into our flesh.
Not physical wealth, in this utopia, but informational wealth. Unlike the internet which requires some idea of destination, all the knowledge of the entire species available, searchabe, catalogued, and prepackaged for each of the human nodes in a giant beowulf cluster.
The fact is that while the majority of posters on/. rant and rave about how much better AMD chips may be, as far as the consumer (general and corporate) is concerned AMD makes the chips you have built into the custodian's computer.
As far as it concerns most people cheaper is less good. That's why Hyundai's are $12,000 and Daimler-Benz's are $80,000+. You may be able to go faster in the Hyundai, but after a few months you'll see a cloud of blue smoke trailing behind.
This isn't my personal belief, but I work for government agency which makes this ideology perfectly clear. More money = better product.
Though Slackware wasn't my first Linux distribution, it is still my favorite.
It was a major improvement over Soft Landing Linux, and still remains the most UN*X-like Linux
available. Like most of its strong userbase I was woo'd away with advanced and integrated package management and the inate simplicity provided by apt-get.
I remember how broken was my spirit when Red Hat became the primary distribution on the Infomagic Linux CD kit.
If you were a customer of Verizon and hosted your domain through Verizon then you would be able to send and receive e-mail to your domain.
Verizon doesn't want to be relaying mail for non-customer domains. Meaning, if I host slashdotsucks.com with Verizion, I can send and receive e-mail from timothy.should.not.post@slashdotsucks.com. However, if I was a Verizon customer, but hosted slashdotsucks.com with another company they would not allow me to send e-mail from timothy.should.not.post@slashdotsucks.com through their servers.
I thought this was standard configuration anyway. I am a Verizon Online subscriber but I use my e-mail services through work.
I don't think this qualifies as a "Your rights online" type of thing, it probably should have been rejected.
I just realized I'm going to receive negative moderation points for saying slashdotsucks.com. Slashdot doesn't suck, this is an unusually terrible story and it is something which really didn't need to be posted. Perhaps timothy should join JonKatz on my Blocked Editors list. I've already got SlashBack blocked.
This is spectacular. We just completed a year-long project migrating 15 years of in house applications to OpenVMS Alpha.
The only reason we actually went ahead is the BINARY COMPATIBILITY! IA-64 won't be compatible!
So in a few years when our computing demands once again exceed our systems we'll have to reproduce the entire migration.
Are there any details as to who will be continuing to support the current Alpha line, retired VAX line, and OpenVMS?
I have to admit Compaq has not been the greatest benefactor to DEC's legacy, however, for the users of digital's software and hardware massive uncertainty again surrounds us.
I should have just given in when the administrators wanted NT.
Perhaps the millionaires should get together and finance a space hotel of sorts. It would allow them to capitalize on the public's interest in space travel.
Of course, the Russian government may not be able to pay for next year's VODKA rations if they can't gouge wealthy american's who want into space.
I hope this doesn't turn into a reality-TV special
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That would be just spectacular. Home-made rocket survivor. Design, construct, launch, and return safely to Earth and you may be a millionaire.
But, this seems interesting. The mathematics regarding gravity, forces, mass and accelleration are fairly straight-forward, even considering that accelleration isn't constant.
I am highly impressed with the hydrogen peroxide and silver mesh engine. Why isn't NASA using that? And why isn't he working for NASA?
So much for the "archives".. Try the main page!
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It'll be nice to see how they overcome the interface problems. Simply slapping a touch-sensitive screen on an LCD isn't sufficient. Many of the fundamental GUI "givens" really no longer apply.
It'll be nice to see, but I honestly can't say I'll ditch my Palm IIIc for one. Maybe if it'll double as wireless Xterm.
Yes, it runs linux and you insert it into a child's ear.
The content of your choice will be directly forced into the brain through rap-music.
The unfortunate side effect is that if there is a buffer underrun (no content to force) the child immediately begins producing Movies like Save the last dance...
Yeah. I ran "Sisoft Sandra" on that dual Intel P4 @2GHZ, but I haven't yet taken the time to anonymously e-mail the screenshot to 2cpu.com.
Also, I developed a version of lnxoskrn.exe that will successfully run in place of ntoskrnl.exe for either NT 4 or 2000. Unfortunately, I work on that alone 50 feet below the earth in an abandoned Atlas Missile Silho.
Oh, also I scraped the cure for cancer off a rusted "tin" container of Juicy Juice.
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I thought that was the only useful thing about this article, too.
Apple isn't going to shoot themselves in the foot like this and everyone knows it.
But the slash-effect meter was really worth clicking that link.
Lynx is the best browser through which to experience slashdot. even w3m supports tables which is unacceptable. I LIKE MY WEBPAGES RENDERED IN A VERTICLE COLUMN, Please.
OpenVMS period isn't a good way to increase performance. In order to maintain fundamental compatibility with ancient versions of VMS (3.0, which had to easily run applications compiled on a PDP) many performance hacks had to be avoided. An unfortunate side effect is a very deeply nested performance barrier that is so entrenched it can be experienced with the latest versions on the fastest hardware. (AlphaServer GS)
Since Compaq's acquisition of DIGITAL and it's cash-cow OpenVMS, they have invested a small sum of money to integrate a more unix-like feel into the operating system which is apparent in version 7.3.
Responding to your post, I must inform you that not only is using DBI on OpenVMS a good way to increase performance, neither is using OpenVMS at all.
How much longer until there aren't any end-users left? Does that even have a chance to come before the end of willing developers?
There are more RDBMS engines than one can shake a stick at. Between MySQL, Postgres, Oracle, Informix, Microsoft SQL Server, etc. it's amazing there is room for more of nearly the same product.
Well, if the performance is there I'll be the first one to switch over. Good Luck.
Why because I hold liberal values does that automatically make me a welfare advocate? I am neither supported nor consider welfare a good system. I am enraged by the Graduated Income Tax system and the way tax cuts usually come to the richest 1%.
You posted that comment on an open source advocacy site suggesting people stop leeching off other people's endeavors. Ironic and paradoxal.
I could really go either way on this issue, actually. I hate seeing the Federal and State tax deductions off my paycheck every week, but it irks me even more knowing that Microsoft paid $0 to State and Federal tax system. Very disturbing. That's our capitalism.
So get off your welfare and start oppressing your fellow citizens!
That is almost my point. The richest 1% of the population controls more wealth than the other 99% combined. I'm all for capitalism, but there is only so much money to go around. The separation between the richest of the rich and the poor continue to grow without bounds.
The richest people have bank account balances with 10 - 16 figures. The poorest of the poor eat rice and water for dinner, if at all.
This country was forged on the backs of poor immigrants. Labor unions slowly ended unfair working conditions. We have evolved into a consumer culture. How is the population to combat monopolies like Microsoft? Consumer unions?
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The top of the line AMD is a 1.4ghz T-bird on a 266mhz FSB. Which, you are right, is priced at ~100. (Marketing: apple [the fruit])
The top of the line Intel is a 2.0ghz on a 400mhz FSB. And actually the price is $570. (Marketing: orange)
You are right, the top of the line is ~$500, but Intel's top of the line carries larger numbers.
Of course, MHZ isn't an acurate scale of performance or power, but it is the scale looked at by home and business consumers.
To see where the price war is you need to look at the Pentium 4 1.4ghz (400mhz FSB). That little cpu is priced at $114. A very (price wise) competitive product. (Marketing: apple [the fruit])
It comes down to comparing apples with oranges, really. It is a nice way to try to prove a point, but still wrong.
Just remember, AMD was proud to use a mhz rating to describe its chips back when it held the highest.
Finally, the public can never be made aware of how little mhz has to do with actual performance because it already realize mhz isn't entirely accurate, it just isn't willing to invest the time and effort to investigate actual performace data.
I can see it now.
Circuit City Rep.: "Can I help you?"
Customer: "Yes, what does this mean: AMD Athlon 3.921k D.ALU"
Circuit City Rep.: "Derstern Arth.. Er, that's the number of additions it can do a minute."
Customer: "But it's cheaper than this Intel Pentium 4 2.0ghz. Something doesn't seem right, this must be a better computer. My old computer is only a 300mhz, what does that mean?"
Circuit City Rep.: "Well 2.0ghz is 2000mhz."
Customer: "I'll take the pentium."
I guess it would be a really effective form of Communism. I wouldn't mind if 4 billion others could instantaneously help me debug a malfunction with one my finger's servos.
Actually, once we're able to forcably remove thoughts from each other's heads who will need computers? I mean, aside from the computers implanted into our flesh.
Not physical wealth, in this utopia, but informational wealth. Unlike the internet which requires some idea of destination, all the knowledge of the entire species available, searchabe, catalogued, and prepackaged for each of the human nodes in a giant beowulf cluster.
Riker should have submit himself.
The fact is that while the majority of posters on /. rant and rave about how much better AMD chips may be, as far as the consumer (general and corporate) is concerned AMD makes the chips you have built into the custodian's computer.
As far as it concerns most people cheaper is less good. That's why Hyundai's are $12,000 and Daimler-Benz's are $80,000+. You may be able to go faster in the Hyundai, but after a few months you'll see a cloud of blue smoke trailing behind.
This isn't my personal belief, but I work for government agency which makes this ideology perfectly clear. More money = better product.
This is excellent. Hopefully some (future) Nobel Prize winner will discover a material that will superconduct at higher temperatures.
Of course, we'd probably need a fusion reactor to generate enough electricity to both propell and levitate such a vehicle.
I am especially fond of the days my perception of the physical universe is dramatically altered in this type of way.
Hopefully he won't retract this paper.
It does not mean you can't send e-mail FROM: that domain. It means you can't use their servers when you do it.
I'm sorry I just don't see how this creates a problem for my online rights. And I'm a Verizon customer who uses an e-mail system other than Verizon's.
Though Slackware wasn't my first Linux distribution, it is still my favorite.
It was a major improvement over Soft Landing Linux, and still remains the most UN*X-like Linux available. Like most of its strong userbase I was woo'd away with advanced and integrated package management and the inate simplicity provided by apt-get.
I remember how broken was my spirit when Red Hat became the primary distribution on the Infomagic Linux CD kit.
If you were a customer of Verizon and hosted your domain through Verizon then you would be able to send and receive e-mail to your domain.
Verizon doesn't want to be relaying mail for non-customer domains. Meaning, if I host slashdotsucks.com with Verizion, I can send and receive e-mail from timothy.should.not.post@slashdotsucks.com. However, if I was a Verizon customer, but hosted slashdotsucks.com with another company they would not allow me to send e-mail from timothy.should.not.post@slashdotsucks.com through their servers.
I thought this was standard configuration anyway. I am a Verizon Online subscriber but I use my e-mail services through work.
I don't think this qualifies as a "Your rights online" type of thing, it probably should have been rejected.
I just realized I'm going to receive negative moderation points for saying slashdotsucks.com. Slashdot doesn't suck, this is an unusually terrible story and it is something which really didn't need to be posted. Perhaps timothy should join JonKatz on my Blocked Editors list. I've already got SlashBack blocked.
This is spectacular. We just completed a year-long project migrating 15 years of in house applications to OpenVMS Alpha.
The only reason we actually went ahead is the BINARY COMPATIBILITY! IA-64 won't be compatible! So in a few years when our computing demands once again exceed our systems we'll have to reproduce the entire migration.
Are there any details as to who will be continuing to support the current Alpha line, retired VAX line, and OpenVMS?
I have to admit Compaq has not been the greatest benefactor to DEC's legacy, however, for the users of digital's software and hardware massive uncertainty again surrounds us.
I should have just given in when the administrators wanted NT.
Perhaps the millionaires should get together and finance a space hotel of sorts. It would allow them to capitalize on the public's interest in space travel.
Of course, the Russian government may not be able to pay for next year's VODKA rations if they can't gouge wealthy american's who want into space.
That would be just spectacular. Home-made rocket survivor. Design, construct, launch, and return safely to Earth and you may be a millionaire.
But, this seems interesting. The mathematics regarding gravity, forces, mass and accelleration are fairly straight-forward, even considering that accelleration isn't constant.
I am highly impressed with the hydrogen peroxide and silver mesh engine. Why isn't NASA using that? And why isn't he working for NASA?
Good job, I thought I'd seen it all.
I guess it's bad news anyway.
It'll be nice to see how they overcome the interface problems. Simply slapping a touch-sensitive screen on an LCD isn't sufficient. Many of the fundamental GUI "givens" really no longer apply.
It'll be nice to see, but I honestly can't say I'll ditch my Palm IIIc for one. Maybe if it'll double as wireless Xterm.
This was a big part of the push for 3d printing, and you may not be that far off..
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http://slashdot.org/articles/00/09/28/175207.shtm
This is where I read about it.
Yes, it runs linux and you insert it into a child's ear.
The content of your choice will be directly forced into the brain through rap-music.
The unfortunate side effect is that if there is a buffer underrun (no content to force) the child immediately begins producing Movies like Save the last dance...
I'm throwing the prototype away.
Yeah. I ran "Sisoft Sandra" on that dual Intel P4 @2GHZ, but I haven't yet taken the time to anonymously e-mail the screenshot to 2cpu.com .
Also, I developed a version of lnxoskrn.exe that will successfully run in place of ntoskrnl.exe for either NT 4 or 2000. Unfortunately, I work on that alone 50 feet below the earth in an abandoned Atlas Missile Silho.
Oh, also I scraped the cure for cancer off a rusted "tin" container of Juicy Juice.
I thought that was the only useful thing about this article, too.
Apple isn't going to shoot themselves in the foot like this and everyone knows it.
But the slash-effect meter was really worth clicking that link.
It shows how compaq really views linux. The graphic on the page linked shows a tiny R/C car with "TUX" behind the wheel. Hah.
Lynx is the best browser through which to experience slashdot. even w3m supports tables which is unacceptable. I LIKE MY WEBPAGES RENDERED IN A VERTICLE COLUMN, Please.
Who cares about Beowulf? Everyone always talks about like it's "cool". MOSIX is better, it provides transparent parallel processing.
I was told thousands and thousands of times, "Punctuation then quotation."
I am not an English professor, but as far as I can tell my many English courses were taught by at least one.
I may also point out that your signature is: "If that wasn't enough, it's actually based on an implementation of a Turing machine."
Looks like Punctuation before Quotation to me.
OpenVMS period isn't a good way to increase performance. In order to maintain fundamental compatibility with ancient versions of VMS (3.0, which had to easily run applications compiled on a PDP) many performance hacks had to be avoided. An unfortunate side effect is a very deeply nested performance barrier that is so entrenched it can be experienced with the latest versions on the fastest hardware. (AlphaServer GS)
Since Compaq's acquisition of DIGITAL and it's cash-cow OpenVMS, they have invested a small sum of money to integrate a more unix-like feel into the operating system which is apparent in version 7.3.
Responding to your post, I must inform you that not only is using DBI on OpenVMS a good way to increase performance, neither is using OpenVMS at all.
Especially on a three-node VAXstation cluster.
How much longer until there aren't any end-users left? Does that even have a chance to come before the end of willing developers?
There are more RDBMS engines than one can shake a stick at. Between MySQL, Postgres, Oracle, Informix, Microsoft SQL Server, etc. it's amazing there is room for more of nearly the same product.
Well, if the performance is there I'll be the first one to switch over. Good Luck.
Why because I hold liberal values does that automatically make me a welfare advocate? I am neither supported nor consider welfare a good system. I am enraged by the Graduated Income Tax system and the way tax cuts usually come to the richest 1%.
You posted that comment on an open source advocacy site suggesting people stop leeching off other people's endeavors. Ironic and paradoxal.
I could really go either way on this issue, actually. I hate seeing the Federal and State tax deductions off my paycheck every week, but it irks me even more knowing that Microsoft paid $0 to State and Federal tax system. Very disturbing. That's our capitalism.
Ah yes, how could I forget being taken of the gold then later silver standard so the government could print as much money as was needed.
If they can do it why can't I?
So get off your welfare and start oppressing your fellow citizens!
That is almost my point. The richest 1% of the population controls more wealth than the other 99% combined. I'm all for capitalism, but there is only so much money to go around. The separation between the richest of the rich and the poor continue to grow without bounds.
The richest people have bank account balances with 10 - 16 figures. The poorest of the poor eat rice and water for dinner, if at all.
This country was forged on the backs of poor immigrants. Labor unions slowly ended unfair working conditions. We have evolved into a consumer culture. How is the population to combat monopolies like Microsoft? Consumer unions?