I haven't seen much talk yet on the "multiple home user" angle.
At work I run RH 8; if I need to run windows stuff I fire up crossover office or vmware. I'm a UNIX system Admin. and php programmer, and running windows would really hurt my productivity.
At home we have Windows 2000 partially because of games but more so because my wife would not have been happy on Linux, so the desktop runs 2K and the antique laptop stays on 95.
If it were me I'm sure I'd be just on Linux or a dual-boot for games. My work machine is a fraction of the speed of my home machine, but it just works better for me. Crossover Office and Cr. Plugins take care of everything else I need from the windows platform.
(Plus, It sure sucks to be on ugly old Windows after a day on Gnome 2..)
I'm not referring to the LX line, but to the SunFire V100, which does in fact run $100 street for a 400mhz UltraSparcII, an 18gb hd, and 128mb. It isn't apples-to-apples with your dell example, but it is much cheaper as a 1U member of a server farm.
"Raped on hardware?" You may be behind the times. Sun is actually the cheapest way to go to put 100 servers in a farm - the SUnFire V100 is $800 - at least in the educational market - I can get a sun rack server in the door cheaper than I can any rack x86 server.
I'm one of those 55% of "fools" who voted for HSR. Since a majority voted for it even after the publicity generated by Bush's cancellation of the program I think it is clear there is public interest in the project. Bush really did himself a disservice by being so high-handed with the commission.
We are on a dead end track in this state because gov't has not seriously tried anything but roads and more roads. The big exception is Metrorail in Miami, which is paying for itself at last despite the successful efforts of many mass- transit haters (incl. Pres. Reagan!) to stall the project without a single line built.
I've been to europe - I know that if we had soemthing like the TGV or even just everyday Eurail service we'd use it. I can't shuttle between St. Pete and Miami until 2011 on Florida HSR, but when I can I will.:)
I'm a Clearwater, FL customer. My kazaa and morpheus have not worked for some time. This article confirms what I suspected. So you can add the Tampa Bay market to the list of locations they have locked down.
Big surprise for part of a media giant. It bugs me but I'll live I guess -- so long as I can use ssh & get out to UNIX Empire games I'm happy (usallly port 1617), I'm happy.
Thanks for your post. I have to point something out, though, that is forever being ignored in these discussion, which is that science, and evolutionary science in particular, is not a belief system. I don't "believe in" evolution, or gravity, or optics. I accept the scientific evidence.
There is a serious attempt in the country to make a false equivalence of religion and science, and we must guard against it.
I dfrequently play probably the world's oldest
RTS, which is UNIX empire. It used to have a
SERIOUS leanring curve (you needed to print
maps on wide-carriage paper and have eidetic
memory), but it now has a nice windows interface.
It is both the most complete manufacturing/logistic
simulation I know but the strategy and tactics
are quite deep, not least because of the ways in
which units cen be set to auto-respond, interdict
etc.
I agree with your comment that UNIX failed as a desktop; the problem was not coherence, but the dated ideas behind the CDE, which every distro but Linux went to it seems. The CDE looks dated next to Windows 3.1 in my opinion.
However, with Sun adopting (or saying they'll adopt, this is Sun after all) Gnome, Linux and Solaris will be largely on a consistent platform that can mature in to a good environment. I've used Sun's pre-release build of Gnome (and we provide it in our CS lab) and it certainly is "coherent" with Gnome on Linux.
Linux and Solaris are the lion share of the workstation market, so if people are doing the same on both platforms that will have a lot of momentum.
NO KDE v. Gnome flames please.:)
I have suggested this before but I don't definatively know whether we can build spheres light enough and pressure-resistant enough to hold a near vacuum. It seems like a natural idea but a steel sphere would have to be so thick it would have a negative bouyancy. Maybe some modern carbon polymer would do the trick. The question also is what size to make these armillary spheres as you have the issue of surface area to pressure to thickness et alia.
it was in fact the same aliminum compound as modern NASA solid-fuel rocket boosters. Zeppelin had used alum-oxide to protect the canvas from weathering.
If you look at the sequence leading up to the Hidnenburg's destruction at lakehurst -- there had just been a thunderstorm and the air was quite charged. The hindenburg made a high approach trailing its landing lines - a landing style the USN had pioneered with Zeppelin/Goodyear dirigibles. The footage shows that the skin burned first -- tus the bright flames and smoke. The actual hydrogen would disappear in a blue-white flash.
Of course there was hydrogen IN the Hindenburg because the Nazis assumed (correctly) that the US Gov't wasn't going to give them enough helium to fly their zeppelins...
I mostly agree. u571 and pearl harbor made me
rather upset.
And then there's the Patriot, where
an atrocity perped by the SS is polaced in the
hands of our rather polite "oppressors" in 1778.
The British need to remake Apocalypse Now
and have Hugh Grant sail up the Mekong to
save the Americans from themselves...
A couple quibbles:
The Italy part of English Patient was set in 1945.
It is a little bit of a scretch, but not
completely bogus. Also they were faithful to
the novel there for once.
The higgins boats at D-Day were piloted by a mix
of RN and US Merchant Marine crews. The use of
amateur crews by the US caused many tragedies
since the MM pilots would refuse to go in close
to shore. Some of the tanks capsized and sank,
for example and soldiers jumped in to 10-15
feet of water with 65 lbs of gear and a 20lb.
BAR. SPR did get that part mostly right. Its hard
to knock SPR as it came very close to reality.
You are trolling because you are making judgements
about science (denouncing Darwin) without
providing any rational supports for your
statements. The evolution of bats and dolphins
is well documented. I fail to see what is
so unusual about similar adaptation under similar
conditions, which is what the record shows in
both cases. In any case the bat is very different
from birds and the dolphin is very disimilar
from a fish. For one thing, it has lungs, for
another its limbs show clear evidence of land-
dwelling ancestors.
It seems to me that the crux here is that you WANT
darwin to be wrong. I apologize on behalf of the
universe for not being how you wish it to be.
Science is not a matter of belief, which is to say
faith. Evolution is not a matter of belief. I
do NOT "believe" that the Earth is 6 billion years
old or that evolution occured to bring
about modern species. I ACCEPT that these are the
theories supported by the preponderence of
verifiable reproducible research, discovery and
experimentation.
This is a different process from religous or
secular "faith". Science is different because
it is constantly admitting it is wrong,
working to disprove itself, etc. If evidence
arose that gravity only worked on tuesdays,
that mauve had more ram, etc, we would try
to understand these new facts and revise the
theories by which we understand the physical
world.
To the contrary the scientific method is so
named because it is a method of establishing
facts through reproducible experimentation.
Religion and science only intersect when
religion tries to declare facts contrary
to observable evidence (by rejecting helio-
centrism, by holding to young-earth theories,
etc.) in which case it has entered science's
range of exploration and will be shot down.
Solipsism is a fool's paradise -- you must
accede that a bridge built by belief and
not by knowledge of physics & metellurgy
will not stay standing if it is built
contrary to the observed laws of physics.
You are attempting to transform science into
religious faith. This displays sad ignorance of
both. Your attempt to bring in evolution is
a non sequitir. But since you brought it up
I will point out that evolution is not a
matter of faith but of evidence. Scientists
accept the evidence for evolution as it is
the only conclusion which the evidence
logically draws one to.
I am always offended to see sensationalist
headlines which take a science article
(which in this case is merely a refinement
of our knowledge about C-14 dating) and use
it as an excuse to act like the basis of
modern science is crumbling.
With science and rationalism under attack by
the powers of darkness in this country you
needs demonstrate better judgement! Too many
ignorant people use the lay press in their
campaign to keep the masses blind about
science, the scientific process, and attack
with non sequiters, misinformation and special
pleadings the real and firm bases for our
understanding of physics, geology and biology.
This article does NOT undermine the C-14 dating
process. A more apt title would have been
"Scientists refine accuracy of C-14 dating"
which is what they have in fact done.
I'm no scientologist - I live in Largo, Fl, justa few miles from the hideous HQ in the Ft. Harrison Hotel, and man, those are some bad people.
I may flamed alive for this but this is my honest opinion of the movie.
It _was_ a bad movie. The director was way over his head and clinging to a bunch of outdated or stolen visuals cribbed from Blade Runner and Dune. The plot was so laughable its impossible to start in on the inconsistencies.
That said..
this was a far better movie than phantom menace - because if you accepted the insane leaps - hawker harriers that work after a thousand years, a caveman who can read intact books and maps in the Denver and Congress Libraries, etc. etc. then it was relatively fast paced story with strong characters.
To my mind this movie was like a very good Doctor Who episode - my favorite Sci Fi show growing up. It had countless cliches shared with Dr. Who - the money grubbing aliens, the humans enslaved to randomly carry rocks - beams of light that make you smart, etc. Put an eccentric english gentleman next to Johnny ad you have a ring-dinger of a Tom Baker Episode.
Dr. Who fans ae on their way to kill me.:)
So - this movie reminded me of Dr. Who and its pathetic plot holes made me laugh my ass off. A good time was had! I am going to see it again when it hits our dollar theater.
If we did, I can only assume that either a) you are a close personal friend of Mr. de Palma, or b) Disney corp. has pictures of you naked with a moose.
Wow - I never flamed anyone on Slashdot before!
I'm not usually a geek about movies - so let me complain about this movie based on film critic grounds, not physics:
OK, so what's with the score? We find ourselves in a life-or-death sitaution where crew are desperately trying to plug a leak (never mind the 'no time for helmets' stuff - I said I'd ignore the physics), but what does the music do? It goes off in to something like a sleep-rate heart beat, and some little cheesy fanfares like you'd get from the old Tomorrow Land rides (hey! A connection?) That and the naseous voice of the computer removed all tension for me. Also that scene was SLOW. All the scenes were slow and sterile, except for the dune/mummy sand worm 'eat the astronauts' scene, which was pretty cool.
Again, with the score - Tim Robbins takes his own life, and what does the music do? It plods, it yawns. It does not say "Wakeup! important scene!" which I needed because I was inspecting my nails while I waited for them to decide whether to commit suicide by re-entering outside or inside the supply ship (There I go again with the physics.), and thus missed him taking his helmet off, which is good because if I'd been paying attention I would have laughed.
Character: we are begged, pleaded with to start off sobbing for poor Gary Sinise's character. Long before any plot we are dragged through a 15 minute party scene in which each character is painted in big wide crayola for us. Sinise's wife apparently thinks impassioned overblown speeches about Mars needing a hug are party conversation.
Dialog: "We're them. They're us." etc. Unbelievable. It doesn't cout as dialog - it's two hours of platitudes.
Pacing: Clearly an homage to 2001. it goes so very slow, but with the awful music, boring characters, and wandering plot, there's no tension, so the tense waiting of 2001 becomes a chance to buy popcorn, visit the bathroom, look at the posters in the lobby, etc.
I could go on. I want to say I feel very sorry for Robbins and Sinise, and I hope they can quickly forget this experience...
For my 2c. let me say that I have never found anythign funny in PvP. That makes us even.
Let me continue with a little textual analysis: Kurtz says that he has "discovered that jokes about computer games aren't funny" but that jokes about people who play them are. Welllll, gee, lets apply that to UF. Users do funny, very stupid things, things that make IT people go insane from frustration and from the inability to respond to aggresive insulting barrages. There is NO harm I can see in a cartoon that makes light of it.
And NT isn't up to snuff, and I think parady songs are funny, at least when they aren't sung at SCA filk/bardic circles. *Shudder or mortal terror*
Side note: what made people start insulting Sluggy? Is this a demosntration of the fundamental division in society between the likers and haters of the three stooges?
-Walter Moore
Apocalypsts were distracted by Y2k
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Apocalypse Not
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IMHO conspiracy theories and hysteria always need soemthing to attach themselves to, and Y2K actually was very useful in distracting people from religious forms of hysteria in to a technological apocalypse - one that has a distinct end-line and doesn't require anyone to blow up mosques to imminatize the eschaton, or what have you.
"Its just a flesh wound!" I don't understand what this has to do with Microsoft, but...
Hitler has something to do with the _idea_ of the Volkswagon Beetle. He comissioned Porsche to dsesign a cheap "people's" car - which became available as the KdF Wagon (Strength through Joy Car). VW, despite a wartime history of using slave labor, came back as a postwar business with western blessings. The Beetle built until 1970 was essentially the 1930's car without fundamental changes.
Which proves: *the Nazi regime temporarily benefited some Germans during the first years of their rule
*advertising can sell a terrible car
*nothing whatsoever related to the over-priced products of bland old Microsoft. MS has never sent thugs to kick in any Mac-users teeth (despite what Mac user web sites might claim!), taken over any goverments, attacked ethnic groups, etc.
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I haven't seen much talk yet on the "multiple home user" angle.
At work I run RH 8; if I need to run windows stuff I fire up crossover office or vmware. I'm a UNIX system Admin. and php programmer, and running windows would really hurt my productivity.
At home we have Windows 2000 partially because of games but more so because my wife would not have been happy on Linux, so the desktop runs 2K and the antique laptop stays on 95.
If it were me I'm sure I'd be just on Linux or a dual-boot for games. My work machine is a fraction of the speed of my home machine, but it just works better for me. Crossover Office and Cr. Plugins take care of everything else I need from the windows platform.
(Plus, It sure sucks to be on ugly old Windows after a day on Gnome 2..)
Late reply: 64-bit UltraSPARCII - 400 mhz still I believe.
I'm not referring to the LX line, but to the SunFire V100, which does in fact run $100 street for a 400mhz UltraSparcII, an 18gb hd, and 128mb. It isn't apples-to-apples with your dell example, but it is much cheaper as a 1U member of a server farm.
"Raped on hardware?" You may be behind the times.
Sun is actually the cheapest way to go to put
100 servers in a farm - the SUnFire V100 is $800 -
at least in the educational market - I can get a
sun rack server in the door cheaper than I can any
rack x86 server.
The "Bush" above is of course Jeb, our governor, not :)
GW, the person we are alleged to have elected
president.
I'm one of those 55% of "fools" who voted for HSR.
:)
Since a majority voted for it even after the
publicity generated by Bush's cancellation
of the program I think it is clear there is public
interest in the project. Bush really did himself
a disservice by being so high-handed with the
commission.
We are on a dead end track in this state because
gov't has not seriously tried anything but roads
and more roads. The big exception is Metrorail
in Miami, which is paying for itself at last
despite the successful efforts of many mass-
transit haters (incl. Pres. Reagan!) to stall
the project without a single line built.
I've been to europe - I know that if we had
soemthing like the TGV or even just everyday
Eurail service we'd use it. I can't shuttle
between St. Pete and Miami until 2011 on Florida
HSR, but when I can I will.
I'm a Clearwater, FL customer. My kazaa and morpheus have not worked for some time. This article confirms what I suspected. So you can add the Tampa Bay market to the list of locations they have locked down.
Big surprise for part of a media giant. It bugs me but I'll live I guess -- so long as I can use ssh & get out to UNIX Empire games I'm happy (usallly port 1617), I'm happy.
Thanks for your post. I have to point something out, though, that is forever being ignored in these discussion, which is that science, and evolutionary science in particular, is not a belief system. I don't "believe in" evolution, or gravity, or optics. I accept the scientific evidence.
There is a serious attempt in the country to make a false equivalence of religion and science, and we must guard against it.
I can't believe I'm the first to post this - as of today, when you visit the web site, you get a short message:
"The site was not found"
So soemthing else went awry when they moved the server, or somebody went in and did a quick and dirty hack. Czech it out..
I dfrequently play probably the world's oldest
RTS, which is UNIX empire. It used to have a
SERIOUS leanring curve (you needed to print
maps on wide-carriage paper and have eidetic
memory), but it now has a nice windows interface.
It is both the most complete manufacturing/logistic
simulation I know but the strategy and tactics
are quite deep, not least because of the ways in
which units cen be set to auto-respond, interdict
etc.
http://www.empire.cx
I agree with your comment that UNIX failed as a desktop; the problem was not coherence, but the dated ideas behind the CDE, which every distro but Linux went to it seems. The CDE looks dated next to Windows 3.1 in my opinion.
:)
However, with Sun adopting (or saying they'll adopt, this is Sun after all) Gnome, Linux and Solaris will be largely on a consistent platform that can mature in to a good environment. I've used Sun's pre-release build of Gnome (and we provide it in our CS lab) and it certainly is "coherent" with Gnome on Linux.
Linux and Solaris are the lion share of the workstation market, so if people are doing the same on both platforms that will have a lot of momentum.
NO KDE v. Gnome flames please.
1!
I have suggested this before but I don't definatively know whether we can build spheres light enough and pressure-resistant enough to hold a near vacuum. It seems like a natural idea but a steel sphere would have to be so thick it would have a negative bouyancy. Maybe some modern carbon polymer would do the trick. The question also is what size to make these armillary spheres as you have the issue of surface area to pressure to thickness et alia.
Cool Sci-Fi sounding idea though...
Skin of the hindenburg:
it was in fact the same aliminum compound as modern NASA solid-fuel rocket boosters. Zeppelin had used alum-oxide to protect the canvas from weathering.
If you look at the sequence leading up to the Hidnenburg's destruction at lakehurst -- there had just been a thunderstorm and the air was quite charged. The hindenburg made a high approach trailing its landing lines - a landing style the USN had pioneered with Zeppelin/Goodyear dirigibles. The footage shows that the skin burned first -- tus the bright flames and smoke. The actual hydrogen would disappear in a blue-white flash.
Of course there was hydrogen IN the Hindenburg because the Nazis assumed (correctly) that the US Gov't wasn't going to give them enough helium to fly their zeppelins...
Ha! An extra left-over bit of the Kaiser's sichlichkeit there... :)
I mostly agree. u571 and pearl harbor made me
rather upset.
And then there's the Patriot, where
an atrocity perped by the SS is polaced in the
hands of our rather polite "oppressors" in 1778.
The British need to remake Apocalypse Now
and have Hugh Grant sail up the Mekong to
save the Americans from themselves...
A couple quibbles:
The Italy part of English Patient was set in 1945.
It is a little bit of a scretch, but not
completely bogus. Also they were faithful to
the novel there for once.
The higgins boats at D-Day were piloted by a mix
of RN and US Merchant Marine crews. The use of
amateur crews by the US caused many tragedies
since the MM pilots would refuse to go in close
to shore. Some of the tanks capsized and sank,
for example and soldiers jumped in to 10-15
feet of water with 65 lbs of gear and a 20lb.
BAR. SPR did get that part mostly right. Its hard
to knock SPR as it came very close to reality.
Sigh. I will perservere in hopes of being heard.
You are trolling because you are making judgements
about science (denouncing Darwin) without
providing any rational supports for your
statements. The evolution of bats and dolphins
is well documented. I fail to see what is
so unusual about similar adaptation under similar
conditions, which is what the record shows in
both cases. In any case the bat is very different
from birds and the dolphin is very disimilar
from a fish. For one thing, it has lungs, for
another its limbs show clear evidence of land-
dwelling ancestors.
It seems to me that the crux here is that you WANT
darwin to be wrong. I apologize on behalf of the
universe for not being how you wish it to be.
Science is not a matter of belief, which is to say
faith. Evolution is not a matter of belief. I
do NOT "believe" that the Earth is 6 billion years
old or that evolution occured to bring
about modern species. I ACCEPT that these are the
theories supported by the preponderence of
verifiable reproducible research, discovery and
experimentation.
This is a different process from religous or
secular "faith". Science is different because
it is constantly admitting it is wrong,
working to disprove itself, etc. If evidence
arose that gravity only worked on tuesdays,
that mauve had more ram, etc, we would try
to understand these new facts and revise the
theories by which we understand the physical
world.
To the contrary the scientific method is so
named because it is a method of establishing
facts through reproducible experimentation.
Religion and science only intersect when
religion tries to declare facts contrary
to observable evidence (by rejecting helio-
centrism, by holding to young-earth theories,
etc.) in which case it has entered science's
range of exploration and will be shot down.
Solipsism is a fool's paradise -- you must
accede that a bridge built by belief and
not by knowledge of physics & metellurgy
will not stay standing if it is built
contrary to the observed laws of physics.
You are attempting to transform science into
religious faith. This displays sad ignorance of
both. Your attempt to bring in evolution is
a non sequitir. But since you brought it up
I will point out that evolution is not a
matter of faith but of evidence. Scientists
accept the evidence for evolution as it is
the only conclusion which the evidence
logically draws one to.
I am always offended to see sensationalist
headlines which take a science article
(which in this case is merely a refinement
of our knowledge about C-14 dating) and use
it as an excuse to act like the basis of
modern science is crumbling.
With science and rationalism under attack by
the powers of darkness in this country you
needs demonstrate better judgement! Too many
ignorant people use the lay press in their
campaign to keep the masses blind about
science, the scientific process, and attack
with non sequiters, misinformation and special
pleadings the real and firm bases for our
understanding of physics, geology and biology.
This article does NOT undermine the C-14 dating
process. A more apt title would have been
"Scientists refine accuracy of C-14 dating"
which is what they have in fact done.
I'm no scientologist - I live in Largo, Fl, justa few miles from the hideous HQ in the Ft. Harrison Hotel, and man, those are some bad people.
:)
I may flamed alive for this but this is my honest opinion of the movie.
It _was_ a bad movie. The director was way over his head and clinging to a bunch of outdated or stolen visuals cribbed from Blade Runner and Dune. The plot was so laughable its impossible to start in on the inconsistencies.
That said..
this was a far better movie than phantom menace - because if you accepted the insane leaps - hawker harriers that work after a thousand years, a caveman who can read intact books and maps in the Denver and Congress Libraries, etc. etc. then it was relatively fast paced story with strong characters.
To my mind this movie was like a very good Doctor Who episode - my favorite Sci Fi show growing up. It had countless cliches shared with Dr. Who - the money grubbing aliens, the humans enslaved to randomly carry rocks - beams of light that make you smart, etc. Put an eccentric english gentleman next to Johnny ad you have a ring-dinger of a Tom Baker Episode.
Dr. Who fans ae on their way to kill me.
So - this movie reminded me of Dr. Who and its pathetic plot holes made me laugh my ass off. A good time was had! I am going to see it again when it hits our dollar theater.
-Walter
Did we see the same movie?
If we did, I can only assume that either a) you are a close personal friend of Mr. de Palma, or b) Disney corp. has pictures of you naked with a moose.
Wow - I never flamed anyone on Slashdot before!
I'm not usually a geek about movies - so let me complain about this movie based on film critic grounds, not physics:
OK, so what's with the score? We find ourselves in a life-or-death sitaution where crew are desperately trying to plug a leak (never mind the 'no time for helmets' stuff - I said I'd ignore the physics), but what does the music do? It goes off in to something like a sleep-rate heart beat, and some little cheesy fanfares like you'd get from the old Tomorrow Land rides (hey! A connection?) That and the naseous voice of the computer removed all tension for me. Also that scene was SLOW. All the scenes were slow and sterile, except for the dune/mummy sand worm 'eat the astronauts' scene, which was pretty cool.
Again, with the score - Tim Robbins takes his own life, and what does the music do? It plods, it yawns. It does not say "Wakeup! important scene!" which I needed because I was inspecting my nails while I waited for them to decide whether to commit suicide by re-entering outside or inside the supply ship (There I go again with the physics.), and thus missed him taking his helmet off, which is good because if I'd been paying attention I would have laughed.
Character: we are begged, pleaded with to start off sobbing for poor Gary Sinise's character. Long before any plot we are dragged through a 15 minute party scene in which each character is painted in big wide crayola for us. Sinise's wife apparently thinks impassioned overblown speeches about Mars needing a hug are party conversation.
Dialog: "We're them. They're us." etc. Unbelievable. It doesn't cout as dialog - it's two hours of platitudes.
Pacing: Clearly an homage to 2001. it goes so very slow, but with the awful music, boring characters, and wandering plot, there's no tension, so the tense waiting of 2001 becomes a chance to buy popcorn, visit the bathroom, look at the posters in the lobby, etc.
I could go on. I want to say I feel very sorry for Robbins and Sinise, and I hope they can quickly forget this experience...
For my 2c. let me say that I have never found anythign funny in PvP. That makes us even.
Let me continue with a little textual analysis:
Kurtz says that he has "discovered that jokes about computer games aren't funny" but that jokes about people who play them are. Welllll, gee, lets apply that to UF. Users do funny, very stupid things, things that make IT people go insane from frustration and from the inability to respond to aggresive insulting barrages. There is NO harm I can see in a cartoon that makes light of it.
And NT isn't up to snuff, and I think parady songs are funny, at least when they aren't sung at SCA filk/bardic circles. *Shudder or mortal terror*
Side note: what made people start insulting Sluggy? Is this a demosntration of the fundamental division in society between the likers and haters of the three stooges?
-Walter Moore
IMHO conspiracy theories and hysteria always need soemthing to attach themselves to, and Y2K actually was very useful in distracting people from religious forms of hysteria in to a technological apocalypse - one that has a distinct end-line and doesn't require anyone to blow up mosques to imminatize the eschaton, or what have you.
:)
So I'm Y2Glad.
"Its just a flesh wound!"
I don't understand what this has to do with Microsoft, but...
Hitler has something to do with the _idea_ of the Volkswagon Beetle. He comissioned Porsche to dsesign a cheap "people's" car - which became available as the KdF Wagon (Strength through Joy Car). VW, despite a wartime history of using slave labor, came back as a postwar business with western blessings. The Beetle built until 1970 was essentially the 1930's car without fundamental changes.
Which proves:
*the Nazi regime temporarily benefited some Germans during the first years of their rule
*advertising can sell a terrible car
*nothing whatsoever related to the over-priced products of bland old Microsoft. MS has never sent thugs to kick in any Mac-users teeth (despite what Mac user web sites might claim!), taken over any goverments, attacked ethnic groups, etc.