Except, that illustrates the problem precisely. If it truly were Swedish chef, the words "PRINT" and "GOTO" would be in their Swedish equvalents. And since I don't speak Swedish, I'll approximate:
Huh? I don't know what gaming sites Ravi (the poster) was reading, but this thing looks just about like I've seen predicted. Not that there are that many ways to arrange such a thing... Maybe he was reading sites that said it'd come in give iColors rather than just grey?
Anywho, this is just about how I envisioned it- but maybe with some more curves ala the GBA.
You know, Roddenberry had it right- make your yeoman and your guest ladyfolk hot, but NOT YOUR VULCAN. although, a lot of the nerdladies i know think Spock is hot, but that is something completely different. Roddenberry always had some cute girlies in TOS, cute even today- which is rare, IMHO, for 60s TV series. At least for my tastes- perhaps Gene just has similar ones to mine. But that was OK, for some hot alien to show up for an episode, Kirk to get his freak on, and then exit stage left. THIS IS A VULCAN, man. HMPF.
Tripp and T'Pol did it? Christ. I guess I'm glad we've not been watching.
Throw your TV out? How do you expect to watch seasons 1-5 of Babylon 5 on DVD?! Man, I may not watch *TV* but there are some good things to do with it.
...or maybe your mom has some problems that we'll never understand. No offense, or anything. But I can't remember crying over any Simpsons or Futurama episode, or any other cartoon for that matter.
You've been able to buy something quite cheaper than $400-500 for a loooong time. The Dell Axim X5 Basic was around $200 for a couple years, with a QVGA color screen, CF *and* SD slots, 300 MHz CPU. A very nice PDA for the money. It's mostly Palm that has been lagging, with PocketPC devices beating them at their own game.
Besides, the Tungsten E has been out for a while as well, color and MP3 capable.
I am a weirdo, to be sure, but for me my "PDA" is all of these things and more. My PDA is my *main computer* at home, used primarily for web, email via ssh, and development. I don't need to synch with a desktop, and do not. It is a completely indepdent computer- unlike my Sony Clie NX70V, which is a fancy PalmOS PDA, but is tethered to my work PC.
After reading about the way that OS 6 will work, I can't say I'm too excited about it. Sure, I can have an MP3 playing thread in the background- but I can do that now on my OS 5.0 Clie. I still won't be able to leave a program running in the background while I pop into another. Bleh. And there aren't/won't be many apps that work with OS 6 all that well, even in 6 months.
Oh well, another year, another dispointment from Palm. What's new?
Ah, an old school, fire-n-brimstone kind of Catholic, eh?
I suppose there is a good definition for what falls under "the Faith." And I imagine it is pretty concrete. Do you have a URL For what falls under this? Is "the Faith" just the core set of doctorine? Or is it the much wider set of rules, including official Church opinion? Or is it the even wider set of whatever the current or past Popes have muttered before an audience?
It's been a long time since I've studied this sort of thing, and indeed, it's not the kind of stuff they bring up in modern Catechism. What I meant to say is that it is very common for Catholics- at least where I come from, and the communities I've been around- reject some teachings. E.g., a lot of Catholics I know here in liberal Minnesota are pro-choice, or use birth control, etc.
If you're a Catholic and don't believe in evolution, you are going against official doctrine...
Rejecting some official dogma is part of being a Catholic. I think non-religious people and especially folks from other christian sects have a hard time with this. largely, I think they think "if you don't agree with it, why not leave?" hell, in my confirmation interview with the woman who ran the program and the priest, I told them outright I rejected the very idea of the pope, although i agreed with some of the biblical justification of it, I just didn't think it was the best idea. Among many other things. Confirmed. In some ways, I'm still Catholic, although I've not believed in something recognizable by anything remotely christian in many years. Funny, that.
But yeah, what the pope said about evolution was pretty interesting, and I have to say it makes sense. I often bring it up with super-christians when they're getting weird. Basically, the pope said that with all of the evidence for evolution that we have, there were two basic possibilities. Either:
1. Evolution is more or less the way life happened on earth. It may have been "guided" by god or somesuch, but in this option we are trusting what we find out by science. Or-
2. God is being nasty, and "planting" all sorts of evidence, in geology, the fossil record and living beings. Perhaps just to trick us, to test us, whatever. If that's the case, then we cannot trust the information science brings us on the topic.
If you accept #2, then you have to reject pretty much everything else, including the bible. If not, how can we know how far the ruse extends? Is the bible itself a jest? etc etc.
Bruce, check out the second half of the Bible. There is this one guy who hangs out with lepers, prostitutes and even tax collectors (much worse than homosexuals, in my book). He had this funny habit of loving everyone despite their sins or social status. Of course, the powers that be kill him for this but it all works out in the end.
Huh, sounds interesting. It'd a shame most modern christians haven't heard much of this- sounds like pretty revolutionary stuff! I suppose they just skim for the stuff about "hell" or "make others accept me, or you will die."
And for those who know nothing about gnosticism, I'll give you that little bit of knowledge that marks a learned person like myself [1]. the kind of thing you can pull out at parties that will make the guys give you respect and the women want you.
you see, in the most common belief structure that would fall under the banner "gnosticism," the creator is actually a big asshole. but, the creator - YHVH, the god of the jews, yahweh/jehovah, adonis, etc- isn't a very good god, but just kind of a subgod that created earth and the things on it. or the whole galaxy or universe, though i'm not too sure about gnostic cosmology. anyway, the real god- sophia- is beyond this jerkoff. now, this yahweh character wants it all to himself- power, glory, and most of all, lots of grovelling humans to adopt his religion and sing his praises. luckily, we have Jesus Christ show up - in the garden of eden as a serpent, where he gives us unlucky hu-mans the right to see past yahweh's crap, by munching on the fruit of the tree of knowledge. it takes thousands of years before Jesus comes back though, and gives humanity the knowledge of the true god, the god of love, compassion, etc. Not really the god of most modern Christians, which seems to support gnosticism in my mind. Perhaps most Christians, in their confusion in identifying the god of the old testament = god of the new testament, give all of their spiritual power to the asshole god of the OT rather than seeking transcendence to Sophia.
fun stuff, eh? sophia is female, even. and the gnostics, this group of christianity, was one of the earliest sects, predating this farce known as modern christianity.
anywho, if you read the old testament, it is really easy to see how folks could come to these conclusions. the old skool god of the jews really was a petty, childish asshole in most lights.
[1] yeah, get over it, i'm being a jerk about it. supposed to be a joke.
The joke must've been way too deep for your average slashkiddie- it's been modded as Interesting, not funny. Besides, I thought the follow-up was a lot funnier- I mean, mentioning the plaque was priceless.
What nerds have always been. Especially mainstream nerds. A lot have found religion, sometimes being correllated with social problems of all sorts that are common to many nerds.
I heard back from the expedition- no WMDs, but Osama was hidden inside. Turns out it's huge- a big palace, etc etc. Rumor has it that Bush is going to keep Osama in his basement until November, when he'll really get found...
Should the asker browse 100's of mini-reviews by any old posters and order books for $$$ on that basis alone?
No, they should use Google- just like those of us with a brain do. When I type in the two keywords- latex tutorial - into Google, *every* link on the first page is topical. LaTeX tutorials- huh, who knew? If I was on a platform where I didn't know how to grab the LaTeX distro- that is, if it wasn't something like apt-get install latex - I would then ask google about latex and get a link to an installer. *gasp* Pretty wild stuff, huh?
As mentioned by linzeal, you have moderation in the world of Amazon as well. And Google does a good job at ranking the results of your search. A lot better than the moderation system at Slashdot, especially considering the signal to noise ratio.
It is amazing that slashdot sometimes seems like a google/amazon for the retarded.
Not only is that statement funny, it's often true.
LaTeX is one area of interest for folks for which there are a ton of good books and a veritable cornicopia of stuff to read online. I am no LaTeX guru, but it is what I use for writing papers these days- straight code, no Lyx. A two second search on google yields many sites, and I got my start from one of the first few listed. I then took a leap of intelligence and googled for ' "os x" latex ' when I was ready to start playing around and using it on my OS X'd iBook, and there I was provided with a distro and a handy tool, TeXShop. 30 minutes of web'ing and I had found all I needed to know to 1) get LaTeX installed on my computer and 2) write some simple documents.
Ask Slashdot is often a "google/amazon for the retarded." Part of the problem is the editors- I and no doubt many others have submitted questions which cannot be solved by a 5-minute search on google and the library catalog, but many of these are rejected in favor of these silly, shallow questions. No clue why. I don't doubt that there are a lot of idiots sending in Ask Slashdot submissions of even a more obvious nature- but at least the editors are smart enough not to give us those. But they fall short of giving us thought-provoking AskSs too often, where we could actually give someone a hand who cannot find info on whatever.
So, he asks: Where can I find sources for learning LaTex [sic]? The same place we find lots of similar stuff- Google, your local Library, and/or bookstore, Amazon included. It's not like LaTeX is a topic for which there is very little information- esoteric, bleeding-edge new stuff, etc. It's been around for a long time and you need not spend a dime to get a full course in LaTeXing.
For one- uptime isn't even a matter of bragging rights, at least to me. It does make a fair measure of relative stability, though.
Rebooting is completely different than hibernation. Especially at work, I have a specific way that my computing environment is setup. I have XP install my patches automatically when I get them. I dislike having to reboot and then spend 15 minutes getting everything back to how it was. Even if it was only 5 minutes, it is still a pain in the rear. The reboot itself doesn't bother me.
I know a lot of folks, perhaps you included, don't do much with your computer other than play games and web browse, in which case you just have to double click "Quake 8" to get your "computing environment" setup. Not the case with me. I don't care to brag about uptime, but inconvenient reboots are just that- inconvenient.
Hibernation stores the state of the RAM on disk when it turns the machine off. When I turn it on later, the next day, the next year, everything is just as I left it. I have a number of documents almost always open, many systems I need to be logged into, and it's a huge pain to go through that when I must.
Besides, what's the big deal to you that I don't want to reboot every other day?
frankly I go days in between unintended reboots on my windows XP system. (Unless Microsoft issues a patch...)
Is it just me, or is a few days not that much uptime at all? Long for a Win9x/ME user, sure, but not that long at all to a user of OSes like NT/2k/XP, OS X, Linux, etc. Even on Mac OS 9, my average uptime was about a week and a half.
Heh. Most of the reboots I do in 2k/XP are because of patches. Seems like there is a new patch every 3 or 4 days. Otherwise, I just put the machines in hibernation. But MS seems determined to not let me get any big uptime, issuing reboot-required patches often.
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It's an SUV! It's his right to drive such a beast! God bless the American Way (tm)! And yes, he whines about gas prices.
Except, that illustrates the problem precisely. If it truly were Swedish chef, the words "PRINT" and "GOTO" would be in their Swedish equvalents. And since I don't speak Swedish, I'll approximate:
10 DRUCKENJORGESPORGE "BORK!"
20 GEHENJASUREj00BECHA 10
Huh? I don't know what gaming sites Ravi (the poster) was reading, but this thing looks just about like I've seen predicted. Not that there are that many ways to arrange such a thing... Maybe he was reading sites that said it'd come in give iColors rather than just grey?
Anywho, this is just about how I envisioned it- but maybe with some more curves ala the GBA.
does anyone else here beatbox? i mean, excluding those who do it really crappily? oh hell, include those guys too, as long as they have some spirit.
mr. rev "the beatbox guy" [1] aaron
(or so i am called at school, u of mn duluth)
You know, Roddenberry had it right- make your yeoman and your guest ladyfolk hot, but NOT YOUR VULCAN. although, a lot of the nerdladies i know think Spock is hot, but that is something completely different. Roddenberry always had some cute girlies in TOS, cute even today- which is rare, IMHO, for 60s TV series. At least for my tastes- perhaps Gene just has similar ones to mine. But that was OK, for some hot alien to show up for an episode, Kirk to get his freak on, and then exit stage left. THIS IS A VULCAN, man. HMPF.
Tripp and T'Pol did it? Christ. I guess I'm glad we've not been watching.
Throw your TV out? How do you expect to watch seasons 1-5 of Babylon 5 on DVD?! Man, I may not watch *TV* but there are some good things to do with it.
...or maybe your mom has some problems that we'll never understand. No offense, or anything. But I can't remember crying over any Simpsons or Futurama episode, or any other cartoon for that matter.
You've been able to buy something quite cheaper than $400-500 for a loooong time. The Dell Axim X5 Basic was around $200 for a couple years, with a QVGA color screen, CF *and* SD slots, 300 MHz CPU. A very nice PDA for the money. It's mostly Palm that has been lagging, with PocketPC devices beating them at their own game.
Besides, the Tungsten E has been out for a while as well, color and MP3 capable.
I am a weirdo, to be sure, but for me my "PDA" is all of these things and more. My PDA is my *main computer* at home, used primarily for web, email via ssh, and development. I don't need to synch with a desktop, and do not. It is a completely indepdent computer- unlike my Sony Clie NX70V, which is a fancy PalmOS PDA, but is tethered to my work PC.
After reading about the way that OS 6 will work, I can't say I'm too excited about it. Sure, I can have an MP3 playing thread in the background- but I can do that now on my OS 5.0 Clie. I still won't be able to leave a program running in the background while I pop into another. Bleh. And there aren't/won't be many apps that work with OS 6 all that well, even in 6 months.
Oh well, another year, another dispointment from Palm. What's new?
Man, this seems like some sort of achivement- a +4 Flamebait! I've gotten plenty of +4/5 Insightful or Informative, but never this. yay!
Ah, an old school, fire-n-brimstone kind of Catholic, eh?
I suppose there is a good definition for what falls under "the Faith." And I imagine it is pretty concrete. Do you have a URL For what falls under this? Is "the Faith" just the core set of doctorine? Or is it the much wider set of rules, including official Church opinion? Or is it the even wider set of whatever the current or past Popes have muttered before an audience?
No need to apologize. It's been many years since I've read up about gnosticism, although it's pretty interesting. Thanks for setting me straight!
That crazy YHVH. Not evil, just an asshole.
(even typing that makes me scared. let's hope i don't get struck by lightning!)
Why yes, as a matter of fact I am a nerd...
:)
YOU THINK?
but so am i. I laughed at it.
It's been a long time since I've studied this sort of thing, and indeed, it's not the kind of stuff they bring up in modern Catechism. What I meant to say is that it is very common for Catholics- at least where I come from, and the communities I've been around- reject some teachings. E.g., a lot of Catholics I know here in liberal Minnesota are pro-choice, or use birth control, etc.
If you're a Catholic and don't believe in evolution, you are going against official doctrine ...
Rejecting some official dogma is part of being a Catholic. I think non-religious people and especially folks from other christian sects have a hard time with this. largely, I think they think "if you don't agree with it, why not leave?" hell, in my confirmation interview with the woman who ran the program and the priest, I told them outright I rejected the very idea of the pope, although i agreed with some of the biblical justification of it, I just didn't think it was the best idea. Among many other things. Confirmed. In some ways, I'm still Catholic, although I've not believed in something recognizable by anything remotely christian in many years. Funny, that.
But yeah, what the pope said about evolution was pretty interesting, and I have to say it makes sense. I often bring it up with super-christians when they're getting weird. Basically, the pope said that with all of the evidence for evolution that we have, there were two basic possibilities. Either:
1. Evolution is more or less the way life happened on earth. It may have been "guided" by god or somesuch, but in this option we are trusting what we find out by science. Or-
2. God is being nasty, and "planting" all sorts of evidence, in geology, the fossil record and living beings. Perhaps just to trick us, to test us, whatever. If that's the case, then we cannot trust the information science brings us on the topic.
If you accept #2, then you have to reject pretty much everything else, including the bible. If not, how can we know how far the ruse extends? Is the bible itself a jest? etc etc.
Bruce, check out the second half of the Bible. There is this one guy who hangs out with lepers, prostitutes and even tax collectors (much worse than homosexuals, in my book). He had this funny habit of loving everyone despite their sins or social status. Of course, the powers that be kill him for this but it all works out in the end.
Huh, sounds interesting. It'd a shame most modern christians haven't heard much of this- sounds like pretty revolutionary stuff! I suppose they just skim for the stuff about "hell" or "make others accept me, or you will die."
you see, in the most common belief structure that would fall under the banner "gnosticism," the creator is actually a big asshole. but, the creator - YHVH, the god of the jews, yahweh/jehovah, adonis, etc- isn't a very good god, but just kind of a subgod that created earth and the things on it. or the whole galaxy or universe, though i'm not too sure about gnostic cosmology. anyway, the real god- sophia- is beyond this jerkoff. now, this yahweh character wants it all to himself- power, glory, and most of all, lots of grovelling humans to adopt his religion and sing his praises. luckily, we have Jesus Christ show up - in the garden of eden as a serpent, where he gives us unlucky hu-mans the right to see past yahweh's crap, by munching on the fruit of the tree of knowledge. it takes thousands of years before Jesus comes back though, and gives humanity the knowledge of the true god, the god of love, compassion, etc. Not really the god of most modern Christians, which seems to support gnosticism in my mind. Perhaps most Christians, in their confusion in identifying the god of the old testament = god of the new testament, give all of their spiritual power to the asshole god of the OT rather than seeking transcendence to Sophia.
fun stuff, eh? sophia is female, even. and the gnostics, this group of christianity, was one of the earliest sects, predating this farce known as modern christianity.
anywho, if you read the old testament, it is really easy to see how folks could come to these conclusions. the old skool god of the jews really was a petty, childish asshole in most lights.
[1] yeah, get over it, i'm being a jerk about it. supposed to be a joke.
The joke must've been way too deep for your average slashkiddie- it's been modded as Interesting, not funny. Besides, I thought the follow-up was a lot funnier- I mean, mentioning the plaque was priceless.
What have the nerds become...
What nerds have always been. Especially mainstream nerds. A lot have found religion, sometimes being correllated with social problems of all sorts that are common to many nerds.
I heard back from the expedition- no WMDs, but Osama was hidden inside. Turns out it's huge- a big palace, etc etc. Rumor has it that Bush is going to keep Osama in his basement until November, when he'll really get found...
Should the asker browse 100's of mini-reviews by any old posters and order books for $$$ on that basis alone?
No, they should use Google- just like those of us with a brain do. When I type in the two keywords- latex tutorial - into Google, *every* link on the first page is topical. LaTeX tutorials- huh, who knew? If I was on a platform where I didn't know how to grab the LaTeX distro- that is, if it wasn't something like apt-get install latex - I would then ask google about latex and get a link to an installer. *gasp* Pretty wild stuff, huh?
As mentioned by linzeal, you have moderation in the world of Amazon as well. And Google does a good job at ranking the results of your search. A lot better than the moderation system at Slashdot, especially considering the signal to noise ratio.
It is amazing that slashdot sometimes seems like a google/amazon for the retarded.
Not only is that statement funny, it's often true.
LaTeX is one area of interest for folks for which there are a ton of good books and a veritable cornicopia of stuff to read online. I am no LaTeX guru, but it is what I use for writing papers these days- straight code, no Lyx. A two second search on google yields many sites, and I got my start from one of the first few listed. I then took a leap of intelligence and googled for ' "os x" latex ' when I was ready to start playing around and using it on my OS X'd iBook, and there I was provided with a distro and a handy tool, TeXShop. 30 minutes of web'ing and I had found all I needed to know to 1) get LaTeX installed on my computer and 2) write some simple documents.
Ask Slashdot is often a "google/amazon for the retarded." Part of the problem is the editors- I and no doubt many others have submitted questions which cannot be solved by a 5-minute search on google and the library catalog, but many of these are rejected in favor of these silly, shallow questions. No clue why. I don't doubt that there are a lot of idiots sending in Ask Slashdot submissions of even a more obvious nature- but at least the editors are smart enough not to give us those. But they fall short of giving us thought-provoking AskSs too often, where we could actually give someone a hand who cannot find info on whatever.
So, he asks: Where can I find sources for learning LaTex [sic]? The same place we find lots of similar stuff- Google, your local Library, and/or bookstore, Amazon included. It's not like LaTeX is a topic for which there is very little information- esoteric, bleeding-edge new stuff, etc. It's been around for a long time and you need not spend a dime to get a full course in LaTeXing.
For one- uptime isn't even a matter of bragging rights, at least to me. It does make a fair measure of relative stability, though.
Rebooting is completely different than hibernation. Especially at work, I have a specific way that my computing environment is setup. I have XP install my patches automatically when I get them. I dislike having to reboot and then spend 15 minutes getting everything back to how it was. Even if it was only 5 minutes, it is still a pain in the rear. The reboot itself doesn't bother me.
I know a lot of folks, perhaps you included, don't do much with your computer other than play games and web browse, in which case you just have to double click "Quake 8" to get your "computing environment" setup. Not the case with me. I don't care to brag about uptime, but inconvenient reboots are just that- inconvenient.
Hibernation stores the state of the RAM on disk when it turns the machine off. When I turn it on later, the next day, the next year, everything is just as I left it. I have a number of documents almost always open, many systems I need to be logged into, and it's a huge pain to go through that when I must.
Besides, what's the big deal to you that I don't want to reboot every other day?
frankly I go days in between unintended reboots on my windows XP system. (Unless Microsoft issues a patch...)
Is it just me, or is a few days not that much uptime at all? Long for a Win9x/ME user, sure, but not that long at all to a user of OSes like NT/2k/XP, OS X, Linux, etc. Even on Mac OS 9, my average uptime was about a week and a half.
Heh. Most of the reboots I do in 2k/XP are because of patches. Seems like there is a new patch every 3 or 4 days. Otherwise, I just put the machines in hibernation. But MS seems determined to not let me get any big uptime, issuing reboot-required patches often.
Sounds like it was your app, man. Or *maybe* Borland, but I doubt that.