I'm not surprised. It's based on WebKit, and up to now Safari has been the best browser for rendering Slashdot at least on my machines compared to even FF and Opera.
I'm curious - Chrome feels fast. Probably because each tab is an individual process, like individual IE windows. You can count them in the Windows Task Manager. I know even while the PC should be idle it's cranking (loudly) with Google background processes (indexing and what not), and when I tried to do something in other windows the PC response was SLOW. Has anyone tried to open dozens or more tabs? Hundreds of tabs? What does that do to your PC?
Since Google Docs gotten more complicated/more features, I noticed more issue in IE6/7, FF2/3, Safari, and Opera. For one the "Loading" red message on upper right corner gets stuck, covering the "Sign Out" link permanently (on purpose?). In Chrome, no problem. I suspect Google simply needed a browser that they can better control to promote their own apps to make them run well on all platforms (desktop to mobile, like Safari does for Mac to iPhone), and sine they are already developing it for Android, why not make a desktop version too. What comes next will depend on how big Android and Chrome project get. To that extend the users can exert a lot of influence on such initiative still in its early stage (for example, don't use unless it's a Linux version).
With XP, I supposed they will have to fix a lot of problems, don't they? Are you insinuating with Apple/OS X they will have no problems? How much are YOU getting paid? I donated a XO laptop with the $400 Give-1-Get-1 deal because I believed in the cause and the idea of low cost Linux. The switch to XP is a fraud and insult to my donation. How much have you donated to OLPC?
is spent on Project Management; 25% time on reports and meetings; 25% on keeping the old heterogeneous systems running with patches and glue code and refurbished parts; and 25% on research and testing to keep up with the ever faster evolving new software/hardware/licenses/versions, what IT staff has time to actually perform a system change?
On a high level, yes, but the stumbling block up to this point is that they cannot figure the hardware piece out to make it cheap but good. For $200, my XO is barely better than a USB stick, and less than 6 months later, my iPhone is 10 time the 'computer' the XO is, with just half the screen. Not taking Steve Jobs' offer for FREE OS X and then substituting with XP is IMO the single greatest disservice to the high tech education of the children around the world whom the OLPC claims to want to help.
that MSFT is still stuck in 10 year old routines than their current, major corporate decisions such as this one. Perhaps it's time for some creative Linux artists to come out with some Penguin TV commercials - but what percentage of population will get the/.-style nerdy jokes?
Actually my iPhone can bring up email, web, or 3D games all in about 5 seconds or less if the phone is turned on (which it is all the time); 10 seconds if phone was off. Not all apps up at the same time of course, but who surfs web, reads email, and plays game at the same time?
I have an ancient machine that plays CD/DVD in 5 seconds without booting - it's called a DVD player.
Seriously, HP had PCs that can do that 2-3 years ago. Oracle worked on a DB server that can run without booting into Windows OS more than 5 years ago. On new mobile phones you can open up your email within 5 seconds. Stop giving free press to Intel and Dell until they have the real guts to get away from Windows entirely.
This is another myth Linux advocates delude themselves with. Most people around my office (scientists, students, IT support, admin folks) NEVER think much about Linux, let along care/know whether Flash works on Linux. Saying Flash now works on Linux is just news to the 1% desktop market and will not make a dent on Linux desktop adoption. Versus the server side market - at least 50% running non-IIS - that is where Adobe pours its resource to make sure its Flex/ColdFusion server work. And what percentage of Linux developers are going to give up Java/PHP/RoR or contemplate buying Adobe Studio (if it ever come out for Linux) and start coding Action Script/CFML/Flex to help Adobe win the platform war? Call it what you will. It's just simple Adobe management decision. Lots of Windows/Mac users actually hates Flash, and it wouldn't made any difference to them (me included) whether Flash works when they choose a desktop. I wonder if the number of Flash haters is actually is greater than all the desktop Linux supporters? Games, however, is another matter, and that is an issue where Linux developers can actually make a difference and not rely on a 3rd party.
Support more scientific education for children and independent research is ONLY one stance needed to bolster this country's technology platform. Every other talking point is pure diversion and a waste of time. The Internet was not invented by politicians, lawyers, or company heads (no not even Al Gore). Creative people don't just start inventing things just because they thought there's a tax break involved. Don't make me fucking laugh. Corporations don't need protection from piracy. It's the little guy who invented something great and get stolen by the big corporations that needs protection. The common fucking political wishful thinking is "science will save us" yet kids look at the society and learn that the only way to power and riches is by lying and cheating and fake, blind leadership.
For Linux to take over the desktop, the world will have to come to an end.:-/ Perhaps in a post apocalyptic world w/o centralized IT force-feeding people Windows and no license enforcement, Linux will be on everything. Surely you can scrape up enough old PC parts and find some old free distros on CDs lying around and still boot it up... still no dirver support, though.
This shows 10 year old design thinking. The trackpad and drawing pad should be one and bigger. At least it will be on the next gen Mac, I think, plus additional capabilities than just a mouse/digi-pad. No left/right hand bias then. Much bigger multi-use area. IBM might as well look for another OEM for its Windows-free system initiative if this is the kind of design sense Lenovo is stuck in.
MSFT is simply taking advantage of one of FOSS "freedoms" - namely, the principle that open source does not mean free. MSFT has nothing to lose but everything to gain as long as developers work on open source projects that operate on the perpetually proprietary Windows and Visual Studio. Sadly, with money, Wall Street, ignorant journalists and officials, and short-sighted corporations on its side, MSFT will soon OWN the word 'OPEN', just like how it stole other common, decent terms (some people actually think that MS invented SQL). FOSS advocates must create new terms to combat this psychological/cultural warfare, something like PFF - Perpetual and Forever Free license, UPOS - Unconditional Persistent Open Source agreement, etc.
Business software is more than just email and MS Office. 90% of MS Office used at work is paid for by work, so what is the incentive to fight with IT and management to use FOSS alternative? What percentage of professionals making a living working with professional software in graphics, multimedia, music, gaming, engineering, CAD, finance, and overall IT use FOSS at work? What percentage goes home with extra time and energy spare to develop alternative business software for free? What percentage really believe there are equivalent or better software alternatives that are free or open source for what they do, that will really help them be more productive or earn more money, to the degree that they are willing to fight with their IT and management (who make the ultimate decision) to bring in FOSS alternatives when their professional software is paid for by the company?
I've heard of a director who decided she must be able to receive her email on her Blackberry, so the company threw out the open source email it had used for years in place of Outlook. I've yet to hear a company decide to go with Linux/Java because a couple of rogue programmers convinced execs that Eclipse will solve all their application woes faster than Visual Studio. I'm seeing a slowdown even in the Linux back-end growth as more professional apps are built with.NET. If you want to fight a monopoly you must go about it subversively. Give me a Visual Studio alternative that is free or cheap but can be as productive in building Windows/ASP.NET apps. Then make that Free IDE capable of building equivalent apps in C++/Java/PHP too. When the management and IT sees that server/web/desktop solutions of equal quality and productivity can come from these less expensive alternatives, maybe then they will take a chance on Linux/FOSS.
If IBM wants to make a name for Linux outside of the server room, they are FREE to OPEN up their wallet and drop $1 billion on producing a XBox or PS equivalent with Linux, and sponsor another couple million$ to develop titles on a par with GTA or Halo. It's up to IBM, Sun, and Canonical to convince IT shops and upper management to try Linux alternatives, not the office worker and average staff who work from paycheck to paycheck.
If Sutor expects developers to work for free to create business software just so it can take them and peddle them out for big bucks, then IBM's professional ethos and corporate mentality seem not much different than their commercial investment in Nazi Germany in the past.
I don't see Dell selling or providing any service or product close to Amazon or Google. Did they think they'll grab the buzzword first and then come up with some idea of a product? Is this the typical Dell way of doing business and product development? Were they thinking of printing cool cloud patterns and sky color on their next laptop line? You'd think with their brand recognition and product reach, Dell would be setting itself up as THE alternative to Windows and Mac with out-of-the-box Linux. There lies the opportunity to be a dedicated hardware manufacturer partner that an Ubuntu or Suse/CentOS needs to make serious inroad into the corporate and government offices. No, Dell rather choose Windows because it is an easy sell, just like everything else they do, take the cheap road.
If my perspective is skewed, it is perhaps due to working with Windows and mainstream *nix for the past 15 years. Now I just want something new and different to play with. To simply dismiss Windows as copies of Macs, and Macs as copies of Xerox or BSD is again looking backward and targeting the past, in the belief that if Linux just copy the basic roadmap of other desktop OS it will succeed the same way. Some innovation and game changing trends in hi-tech did happen along the way. Sorry, times change, along with change in economy and culture. If not then why bother imitating Apple? Shuttleworth or Psystar could just roll out FreeBSD or GNUStep to compete with Mac OS. Such over simplification does not serve the Linux cause. The public is interested in Mac OS today due mostly to the success of the iPod and good PR. There is no equivalent of the iPod market or mind share on Linux side. On top of all Linux has the most difficult position of not having dedicated hardware support like Apple and MSFT. And Ubuntu isn't going to roll out similar commercial campaign as Apple. So simply saying matching Apple's eye candy will give Linux a big break is a business plan followed by the Zune.
My attack or criticism was not meant for Linux the community or movement in general, but toward those outstanding quotes coming from the prominent Linux organizers. Innovation today is not inventing the wheel but simply providing the appearance of leadership in an area. Linus did not invent UNIX, but attempting to create a Unix clone for the average PC was innovative and daring. When Linux is used to its strength it rules. If Google would just put up a little logo on its website saying 'Powered by Linux' it will do a world of good to spread the Linux popularity. The Green PC and gOS was a nice experiment, but the momentum has to be kept up. Who is working with a hardware manufacturer closely and studying the user feedback to redesigning the product to fit that need? MSFT failed at the tablet but perhaps Linux could succeed still - imagine text book size, picture frame like, simple pure Internet terminals running a lean *nix in every kitchen. Linux should be in every toaster and TV like Sun once wanted for Java. Instead the most popular current Linux distro is still trying to take on MSFT head on, when the average PC user don't even care if there is a better, cheaper/free PC alternative? Hasn't anyone over there read The Art of War or Five Rings? The top end Linux OS has found its way on the server side, though not overtaking Windows shops in my observation. I'm afraid by the time we discover the perfect consumer spot for Ubuntu, that niche will already be grabbed by some other OS.
Is that all the Linux leaders today can think of, is copying or matching what has already been done? "When we catch up to OS X..." "If only we targeted netbooks..." - Why can't they think of anything original? By the time they've reach their their target it will have already moved.
I got tired of spending more time tweaking the system instead of working on my projects so I got a base model MacBook Pro online. No taxa and with discount. The Mac works for me NOT because of the eye candy but the overall system design makes work pleasant and smooth. You don't have to go through 5 submenus and 3 tabs just to adjust some setting. Nothing is perfect, but it works more often and easily than other OS I found. The same tasks/apps installs faster, launches faster, error out more gracefully, takes less footprint than the Gateway I have at work with the same specs running XP Pro. The Mac runs cooler and quieter, and staring at its screen for hours doesn't hurt my eyes like with PC monitors. The multi-touch trackpad is something every laptop will eventually imitate.
Just because not every GUI behaves like on Windows and not every short cut key work the same do not mean it doesn't "just work". I find the Windows paradigm often leads to the most physically and mentally debilitating UI design ever.
Come on, Linux! Find or invent the next big thing. Focus and get all the groups to work on it together!
Guess they didn't learn from Apple's MobileMe mess. By tomorrow afternoon Google should have pulled together a new project team bigger than the entire Cuil staff dedicated to first copy and then surpass what they have done. Good luck to them.
"Cool (Cuil) it" does not sound all that catchy or positive to me. Kind of like "can you A9 that?" - What!? I couldn't even imagine how "CUIL" is supposed to be pronounced when I first saw it. In today's WWW if the name is not catchy like Java, Slashdot, or Twitteritosis, it will not work no matter how good the technology is. Case closed. It's over before it even began. Too bad.
Why is this surprising? In yesterday's investors meeting Ballmer stated they'll be investing (read: losing) billions into their online biz every year. $100k is chum change that falls out of Bill pocket every minute, yet it gives them another week of buzz and gets all the slashdotter's panties tied in knot. We all know MSFT studies and copies every successful open source project there is. Now they can steal the code openly. Wake me up when they contribute something back in GPL or donate $100m or $1b.
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I'm not surprised. It's based on WebKit, and up to now Safari has been the best browser for rendering Slashdot at least on my machines compared to even FF and Opera.
I'm curious - Chrome feels fast. Probably because each tab is an individual process, like individual IE windows. You can count them in the Windows Task Manager. I know even while the PC should be idle it's cranking (loudly) with Google background processes (indexing and what not), and when I tried to do something in other windows the PC response was SLOW. Has anyone tried to open dozens or more tabs? Hundreds of tabs? What does that do to your PC?
Since Google Docs gotten more complicated/more features, I noticed more issue in IE6/7, FF2/3, Safari, and Opera. For one the "Loading" red message on upper right corner gets stuck, covering the "Sign Out" link permanently (on purpose?). In Chrome, no problem. I suspect Google simply needed a browser that they can better control to promote their own apps to make them run well on all platforms (desktop to mobile, like Safari does for Mac to iPhone), and sine they are already developing it for Android, why not make a desktop version too. What comes next will depend on how big Android and Chrome project get. To that extend the users can exert a lot of influence on such initiative still in its early stage (for example, don't use unless it's a Linux version).
With XP, I supposed they will have to fix a lot of problems, don't they? Are you insinuating with Apple/OS X they will have no problems? How much are YOU getting paid? I donated a XO laptop with the $400 Give-1-Get-1 deal because I believed in the cause and the idea of low cost Linux. The switch to XP is a fraud and insult to my donation. How much have you donated to OLPC?
is spent on Project Management; 25% time on reports and meetings; 25% on keeping the old heterogeneous systems running with patches and glue code and refurbished parts; and 25% on research and testing to keep up with the ever faster evolving new software/hardware/licenses/versions, what IT staff has time to actually perform a system change?
On a high level, yes, but the stumbling block up to this point is that they cannot figure the hardware piece out to make it cheap but good. For $200, my XO is barely better than a USB stick, and less than 6 months later, my iPhone is 10 time the 'computer' the XO is, with just half the screen. Not taking Steve Jobs' offer for FREE OS X and then substituting with XP is IMO the single greatest disservice to the high tech education of the children around the world whom the OLPC claims to want to help.
that MSFT is still stuck in 10 year old routines than their current, major corporate decisions such as this one. Perhaps it's time for some creative Linux artists to come out with some Penguin TV commercials - but what percentage of population will get the /.-style nerdy jokes?
Actually my iPhone can bring up email, web, or 3D games all in about 5 seconds or less if the phone is turned on (which it is all the time); 10 seconds if phone was off. Not all apps up at the same time of course, but who surfs web, reads email, and plays game at the same time?
I have an ancient machine that plays CD/DVD in 5 seconds without booting - it's called a DVD player.
Seriously, HP had PCs that can do that 2-3 years ago. Oracle worked on a DB server that can run without booting into Windows OS more than 5 years ago. On new mobile phones you can open up your email within 5 seconds. Stop giving free press to Intel and Dell until they have the real guts to get away from Windows entirely.
XBox is in a dog fight. Yahoo proposal vaporized. Vista is a flop. Now SCO returned $0. Guess Bill left just in time.
This is another myth Linux advocates delude themselves with. Most people around my office (scientists, students, IT support, admin folks) NEVER think much about Linux, let along care/know whether Flash works on Linux. Saying Flash now works on Linux is just news to the 1% desktop market and will not make a dent on Linux desktop adoption. Versus the server side market - at least 50% running non-IIS - that is where Adobe pours its resource to make sure its Flex/ColdFusion server work. And what percentage of Linux developers are going to give up Java/PHP/RoR or contemplate buying Adobe Studio (if it ever come out for Linux) and start coding Action Script/CFML/Flex to help Adobe win the platform war? Call it what you will. It's just simple Adobe management decision. Lots of Windows/Mac users actually hates Flash, and it wouldn't made any difference to them (me included) whether Flash works when they choose a desktop. I wonder if the number of Flash haters is actually is greater than all the desktop Linux supporters? Games, however, is another matter, and that is an issue where Linux developers can actually make a difference and not rely on a 3rd party.
Support more scientific education for children and independent research is ONLY one stance needed to bolster this country's technology platform. Every other talking point is pure diversion and a waste of time. The Internet was not invented by politicians, lawyers, or company heads (no not even Al Gore). Creative people don't just start inventing things just because they thought there's a tax break involved. Don't make me fucking laugh. Corporations don't need protection from piracy. It's the little guy who invented something great and get stolen by the big corporations that needs protection. The common fucking political wishful thinking is "science will save us" yet kids look at the society and learn that the only way to power and riches is by lying and cheating and fake, blind leadership.
For Linux to take over the desktop, the world will have to come to an end. :-/ Perhaps in a post apocalyptic world w/o centralized IT force-feeding people Windows and no license enforcement, Linux will be on everything. Surely you can scrape up enough old PC parts and find some old free distros on CDs lying around and still boot it up... still no dirver support, though.
This shows 10 year old design thinking. The trackpad and drawing pad should be one and bigger. At least it will be on the next gen Mac, I think, plus additional capabilities than just a mouse/digi-pad. No left/right hand bias then. Much bigger multi-use area. IBM might as well look for another OEM for its Windows-free system initiative if this is the kind of design sense Lenovo is stuck in.
MSFT is simply taking advantage of one of FOSS "freedoms" - namely, the principle that open source does not mean free. MSFT has nothing to lose but everything to gain as long as developers work on open source projects that operate on the perpetually proprietary Windows and Visual Studio. Sadly, with money, Wall Street, ignorant journalists and officials, and short-sighted corporations on its side, MSFT will soon OWN the word 'OPEN', just like how it stole other common, decent terms (some people actually think that MS invented SQL). FOSS advocates must create new terms to combat this psychological/cultural warfare, something like PFF - Perpetual and Forever Free license, UPOS - Unconditional Persistent Open Source agreement, etc.
Business software is more than just email and MS Office. 90% of MS Office used at work is paid for by work, so what is the incentive to fight with IT and management to use FOSS alternative? What percentage of professionals making a living working with professional software in graphics, multimedia, music, gaming, engineering, CAD, finance, and overall IT use FOSS at work? What percentage goes home with extra time and energy spare to develop alternative business software for free? What percentage really believe there are equivalent or better software alternatives that are free or open source for what they do, that will really help them be more productive or earn more money, to the degree that they are willing to fight with their IT and management (who make the ultimate decision) to bring in FOSS alternatives when their professional software is paid for by the company?
I've heard of a director who decided she must be able to receive her email on her Blackberry, so the company threw out the open source email it had used for years in place of Outlook. I've yet to hear a company decide to go with Linux/Java because a couple of rogue programmers convinced execs that Eclipse will solve all their application woes faster than Visual Studio. I'm seeing a slowdown even in the Linux back-end growth as more professional apps are built with .NET. If you want to fight a monopoly you must go about it subversively. Give me a Visual Studio alternative that is free or cheap but can be as productive in building Windows/ASP.NET apps. Then make that Free IDE capable of building equivalent apps in C++/Java/PHP too. When the management and IT sees that server/web/desktop solutions of equal quality and productivity can come from these less expensive alternatives, maybe then they will take a chance on Linux/FOSS.
If IBM wants to make a name for Linux outside of the server room, they are FREE to OPEN up their wallet and drop $1 billion on producing a XBox or PS equivalent with Linux, and sponsor another couple million$ to develop titles on a par with GTA or Halo. It's up to IBM, Sun, and Canonical to convince IT shops and upper management to try Linux alternatives, not the office worker and average staff who work from paycheck to paycheck. If Sutor expects developers to work for free to create business software just so it can take them and peddle them out for big bucks, then IBM's professional ethos and corporate mentality seem not much different than their commercial investment in Nazi Germany in the past.
I don't see Dell selling or providing any service or product close to Amazon or Google. Did they think they'll grab the buzzword first and then come up with some idea of a product? Is this the typical Dell way of doing business and product development? Were they thinking of printing cool cloud patterns and sky color on their next laptop line? You'd think with their brand recognition and product reach, Dell would be setting itself up as THE alternative to Windows and Mac with out-of-the-box Linux. There lies the opportunity to be a dedicated hardware manufacturer partner that an Ubuntu or Suse/CentOS needs to make serious inroad into the corporate and government offices. No, Dell rather choose Windows because it is an easy sell, just like everything else they do, take the cheap road.
All you need is Windows.NET Server 2012 to host and run all your free and open source software and applications in the world. Isn't that nice?
If my perspective is skewed, it is perhaps due to working with Windows and mainstream *nix for the past 15 years. Now I just want something new and different to play with. To simply dismiss Windows as copies of Macs, and Macs as copies of Xerox or BSD is again looking backward and targeting the past, in the belief that if Linux just copy the basic roadmap of other desktop OS it will succeed the same way. Some innovation and game changing trends in hi-tech did happen along the way. Sorry, times change, along with change in economy and culture. If not then why bother imitating Apple? Shuttleworth or Psystar could just roll out FreeBSD or GNUStep to compete with Mac OS. Such over simplification does not serve the Linux cause. The public is interested in Mac OS today due mostly to the success of the iPod and good PR. There is no equivalent of the iPod market or mind share on Linux side. On top of all Linux has the most difficult position of not having dedicated hardware support like Apple and MSFT. And Ubuntu isn't going to roll out similar commercial campaign as Apple. So simply saying matching Apple's eye candy will give Linux a big break is a business plan followed by the Zune.
My attack or criticism was not meant for Linux the community or movement in general, but toward those outstanding quotes coming from the prominent Linux organizers. Innovation today is not inventing the wheel but simply providing the appearance of leadership in an area. Linus did not invent UNIX, but attempting to create a Unix clone for the average PC was innovative and daring. When Linux is used to its strength it rules. If Google would just put up a little logo on its website saying 'Powered by Linux' it will do a world of good to spread the Linux popularity. The Green PC and gOS was a nice experiment, but the momentum has to be kept up. Who is working with a hardware manufacturer closely and studying the user feedback to redesigning the product to fit that need? MSFT failed at the tablet but perhaps Linux could succeed still - imagine text book size, picture frame like, simple pure Internet terminals running a lean *nix in every kitchen. Linux should be in every toaster and TV like Sun once wanted for Java. Instead the most popular current Linux distro is still trying to take on MSFT head on, when the average PC user don't even care if there is a better, cheaper/free PC alternative? Hasn't anyone over there read The Art of War or Five Rings? The top end Linux OS has found its way on the server side, though not overtaking Windows shops in my observation. I'm afraid by the time we discover the perfect consumer spot for Ubuntu, that niche will already be grabbed by some other OS.
Is that all the Linux leaders today can think of, is copying or matching what has already been done? "When we catch up to OS X..." "If only we targeted netbooks..." - Why can't they think of anything original? By the time they've reach their their target it will have already moved.
I got tired of spending more time tweaking the system instead of working on my projects so I got a base model MacBook Pro online. No taxa and with discount. The Mac works for me NOT because of the eye candy but the overall system design makes work pleasant and smooth. You don't have to go through 5 submenus and 3 tabs just to adjust some setting. Nothing is perfect, but it works more often and easily than other OS I found. The same tasks/apps installs faster, launches faster, error out more gracefully, takes less footprint than the Gateway I have at work with the same specs running XP Pro. The Mac runs cooler and quieter, and staring at its screen for hours doesn't hurt my eyes like with PC monitors. The multi-touch trackpad is something every laptop will eventually imitate.
Just because not every GUI behaves like on Windows and not every short cut key work the same do not mean it doesn't "just work". I find the Windows paradigm often leads to the most physically and mentally debilitating UI design ever.
Come on, Linux! Find or invent the next big thing. Focus and get all the groups to work on it together!
Now pray you can just walk away when the system freezes... Oh you want to upgrade the OS? Need the latest newest car.
Guess they didn't learn from Apple's MobileMe mess. By tomorrow afternoon Google should have pulled together a new project team bigger than the entire Cuil staff dedicated to first copy and then surpass what they have done. Good luck to them.
"Cool (Cuil) it" does not sound all that catchy or positive to me. Kind of like "can you A9 that?" - What!? I couldn't even imagine how "CUIL" is supposed to be pronounced when I first saw it. In today's WWW if the name is not catchy like Java, Slashdot, or Twitteritosis, it will not work no matter how good the technology is. Case closed. It's over before it even began. Too bad.
Why is this surprising? In yesterday's investors meeting Ballmer stated they'll be investing (read: losing) billions into their online biz every year. $100k is chum change that falls out of Bill pocket every minute, yet it gives them another week of buzz and gets all the slashdotter's panties tied in knot. We all know MSFT studies and copies every successful open source project there is. Now they can steal the code openly. Wake me up when they contribute something back in GPL or donate $100m or $1b.
You mean like they didn't think computers need to know years pass 2000?
Just add a browser, and then TiVo can also claim now it is a cloud computer.