Well put. The first time a shot a pistol (grew up with shotguns and rifles for hunting), I couldn't hit a 1' x 1' target 20 ft away. Movies and TV are complete BS.
Either does timing, the parts aren't synced up properly. It appears that he split the midi tracks up between the instruments, but didn't align them up properly afterwards.
Pretty impressive, but sort of poorly executed.
I'm sorry, but the misalignment is bad enough that I couldn't make out the song for the first 30 seconds D:
Oh I understand. Inflation is no good for anyone. It's just not as big of a problem as it's made out to be. At least in WoW. The only edge it will get you is craftable items, twinks, and less time spent supporting a raiding habit.
But gold doesn't get you everything you want, even now. MMO's almost never let you just buy the best items from gear.
The only 2 avenues to getting the best gear in WoW are raiding and PvP - there are really no good items you can just buy.
Thank god for that.
If you dumped 500,000 gold on my WoW character now, the only thing that would change is I would stop having to farm gold. My character wouldn't be better, no-one else would be affected - I'd just have more fun.
Problem is, you are able to then spend less time than everyone else to get X piece of gear from X boss. You could say that the only real MMO currency is time spent playing. A certain amount of effort needs to be put in to achieve any goal.
Why don't they get rid of health and death? I don't think that's fun at all! I want to have 100% fun all of the time! Get rid of quests, why can't I just start at 80? I don't think leveling is fun either!
"Nothing in the world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty... I have never in my life envied a human being who led an easy life. I have envied a great many people who led diffcult lives and led them well."
No. People that play the auction house don't make money by undercutting. They make money by buying undercut items and selling them at the market value. The undercutters are the people who are actually grinding things and have no patience to sell stuff for what it's actually worth.
Try playing WoW. It's been a couple of years but I used regularly come across level 60s grinding mobs around level 40. And the same toon would be doing it for DAYS. Either being played by gold farmers or a bot, I don't know, but they wouldn't talk to me, and when I had a quest that involved me having to kill the same mobs, it was difficult to find them, since they were all already dead.
Played for the last 4 years. Never seen or heard of it.
Supply and demand. If there's lots of an item being farmed, then the market price drops. Come on, this isn't exactly hard.
Exactly. When an item drops to a point to not be profitable, why would you keep grinding it?
No moron, the price goes up because a minority of people have bought themselves a pile of gold and will bid stupid prices on these things on the auction house. Meanwhile, the people who don't buy gold can't afford the items any more. It's like if 10% of people suddenly had 10 times more money - you can bet property prices would go up in response.
No, the price won't change much. You were talking about non farmable items, meaning gear I'm assuming. You only need to buy it once, the price doesn't fluctuate at all really. Cloth and other items bought in bulk do though. And 10% of players don't buy gold, its probably more like 1% or.5%, which doesn't matter. Also, other players who sell X item profit from it too, the money doesn't disapear.
See, now I'm not even sure if you're really this dumb or you're just trolling. The goldfarmers hack your account, then they sell your gear for gold, which they in turn sell for real money. They don't steal from their customers - they steal from EVERYONE - at least everyone unfortunate enough to have their account compromised.
But you seem to be suggesting that I contact players to let them know their auctions are too low. They put the price on it, that's what they want to sell it for. I'm buying something from them, not stealing it. It's not unethical at all. Claiming it's unethical is just silly.
Sometimes this means they've got their bots out keeping a given zone completely barren of mobs, so that any actual players who want to do anything in the zone are unable to do so.
In four years I've never seen it or heard of it.
Sometimes it means that the gold sellers flood the auction house with the items they have farmed up, meaning that any legitimate player who wants to sell some items for a bit of gold can't do so because the going rate for those items is so low that they can't turn a profit.
That's counter productive on the farmers part. Why would they want to sell it super cheap rather than the actual market price? Makes no sense.
On the flip side, the people who have bought gold now have so much money that the market price for other (non-farmable) items goes through the roof, meaning that honest players can't afford the things they want.
No. If it's overpriced, less people will buy it and the price will go down.
It sounds like you actually have a problem with people cornering markets, not gold farmers.
Also, shame on you for making up that anecdote about your friend. They don't need your account info to trade gold (it's either mailed or you put up a shitty item on the auction house for whatever amount of gold you bought). Or your friend is certifiably retarded.
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This is 100% the best answer by far.
Well put. The first time a shot a pistol (grew up with shotguns and rifles for hunting), I couldn't hit a 1' x 1' target 20 ft away. Movies and TV are complete BS.
There isn't one student in that state who is struggling in school due to the lack of a laptop.
Computers don't make people smart, it's parenting and genetics.
I don't understand why Dish can supply cable tv
I've been wondering the same thing for years. And what is that dish for? Audio feed?
Mod parent up.
Where I live you can't you buy beer on sundays or after 9 at night. But you can in the next town 5 minutes down the road.
I don't know how businesses can stand for that.
I wouldn't root for the pirates, they're just armed thieves, not liberation heroes.
Well the only difference between an armed thief and a liberation hero is which side of the gun you are on.
Either does timing, the parts aren't synced up properly.
It appears that he split the midi tracks up between the instruments, but didn't align them up properly afterwards.
Pretty impressive, but sort of poorly executed.
I'm sorry, but the misalignment is bad enough that I couldn't make out the song for the first 30 seconds D:
So, in other words, chess requires no practice to get good at?
Must be a shitty game...
Sure, test the ear canal today, and it's anal probes tomorrow.
We must fight this tyranny!
You don't need a license to own a gun.
Sure, those are ways to hack an account. But I don't see how buying gold would facilitate any of those, which was my point.
Nothing has inherent value. Nice try though, sorry you were so bad at MMO's D:
Wrong. I buy items that I only make 1 or 2 gold profit on. Buy 100 though...
I'm guessing you played an MMO, sucked at it, and quit.
Let's take a body-builder for example. That would be pretty damn tough to do right? Nope! It's just picking up weights and putting them down!
Maybe more like "Dear wilful ignorance". It's not the persecution or ideology that bothers me, it's the blatant denial of reality.
John Lennon sung such a beautiful song it was just such a let down when I found out he was worth approx. 40 million at the time.
Yeah no shit, I hate it when artists I like get compensated by hundreds of millions of people who also like them.
???
Oh I understand. Inflation is no good for anyone. It's just not as big of a problem as it's made out to be. At least in WoW. The only edge it will get you is craftable items, twinks, and less time spent supporting a raiding habit.
But gold doesn't get you everything you want, even now. MMO's almost never let you just buy the best items from gear. The only 2 avenues to getting the best gear in WoW are raiding and PvP - there are really no good items you can just buy.
Thank god for that.
If you dumped 500,000 gold on my WoW character now, the only thing that would change is I would stop having to farm gold. My character wouldn't be better, no-one else would be affected - I'd just have more fun.
Problem is, you are able to then spend less time than everyone else to get X piece of gear from X boss. You could say that the only real MMO currency is time spent playing. A certain amount of effort needs to be put in to achieve any goal.
Why don't they get rid of health and death? I don't think that's fun at all! I want to have 100% fun all of the time! Get rid of quests, why can't I just start at 80? I don't think leveling is fun either!
"Nothing in the world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty... I have never in my life envied a human being who led an easy life. I have envied a great many people who led diffcult lives and led them well."
-Theodore Roosevelt
Hell no, I'm serious. I'm sick of having voodoo and superstition shoved down my throat and being frowned upon for resisting it.
No. People that play the auction house don't make money by undercutting. They make money by buying undercut items and selling them at the market value. The undercutters are the people who are actually grinding things and have no patience to sell stuff for what it's actually worth.
Try playing WoW. It's been a couple of years but I used regularly come across level 60s grinding mobs around level 40. And the same toon would be doing it for DAYS. Either being played by gold farmers or a bot, I don't know, but they wouldn't talk to me, and when I had a quest that involved me having to kill the same mobs, it was difficult to find them, since they were all already dead.
Played for the last 4 years. Never seen or heard of it.
Supply and demand. If there's lots of an item being farmed, then the market price drops. Come on, this isn't exactly hard.
Exactly. When an item drops to a point to not be profitable, why would you keep grinding it?
No moron, the price goes up because a minority of people have bought themselves a pile of gold and will bid stupid prices on these things on the auction house. Meanwhile, the people who don't buy gold can't afford the items any more. It's like if 10% of people suddenly had 10 times more money - you can bet property prices would go up in response.
No, the price won't change much. You were talking about non farmable items, meaning gear I'm assuming. You only need to buy it once, the price doesn't fluctuate at all really. Cloth and other items bought in bulk do though. And 10% of players don't buy gold, its probably more like 1% or .5%, which doesn't matter. Also, other players who sell X item profit from it too, the money doesn't disapear.
See, now I'm not even sure if you're really this dumb or you're just trolling. The goldfarmers hack your account, then they sell your gear for gold, which they in turn sell for real money. They don't steal from their customers - they steal from EVERYONE - at least everyone unfortunate enough to have their account compromised.
And how do they hack your account? Magic?
Dear Religion,
You are a pain in the ass. Please go away soon.
Imagine there's no countries.
It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for,
And no religion too.
Imagine all the people,
Living life in peace.
Love,
Sane People
No.
In other words:
1. I don't buy gold.
2. I don't farm gold.
3. I have enough gold to play the game.
4. You don't have to farm gold either.
5. Profit?
Fair enough.
But you seem to be suggesting that I contact players to let them know their auctions are too low. They put the price on it, that's what they want to sell it for. I'm buying something from them, not stealing it. It's not unethical at all. Claiming it's unethical is just silly.
Sometimes this means they've got their bots out keeping a given zone completely barren of mobs, so that any actual players who want to do anything in the zone are unable to do so.
In four years I've never seen it or heard of it.
Sometimes it means that the gold sellers flood the auction house with the items they have farmed up, meaning that any legitimate player who wants to sell some items for a bit of gold can't do so because the going rate for those items is so low that they can't turn a profit.
That's counter productive on the farmers part. Why would they want to sell it super cheap rather than the actual market price? Makes no sense.
On the flip side, the people who have bought gold now have so much money that the market price for other (non-farmable) items goes through the roof, meaning that honest players can't afford the things they want.
No. If it's overpriced, less people will buy it and the price will go down.
It sounds like you actually have a problem with people cornering markets, not gold farmers.
Also, shame on you for making up that anecdote about your friend. They don't need your account info to trade gold (it's either mailed or you put up a shitty item on the auction house for whatever amount of gold you bought). Or your friend is certifiably retarded.