Actually social norms are so infused in the whole equation that only social norms give value to the money that is considered the "bottom line" here.
I do agree that we need to re-connect responsibility to the actual pollution but I don't think there's any economic incentivised way to get there. It's Jevons paradox. We need different social values that change the meaning of bottom line and we need to change the meaning of globalisation so that anonymous irresponsible behavior (like buying something that is horrible far away to the people that make it but nice and pretty here in the store) should not be encouraged by the system but reduced. There is no good reason that the more we get together the more we lose track of the consequences. There are more people than ever and more ability to solve these problems than ever before but we need to understand complexity better.
Nice mindfuck there dfenstrate, but you are the one bringing up race here (Is the US really all "white"?)
Your excuse doesn't work. Yes, the Indian government is very much implicated in the Bhopal disaster. However, the shareholders (making money so they can retire and kick back) and company management are the ones who OWN and MANAGE the catastrophe. To excuse US owners and profiteers from responsibility due to their race certainly would be racism.
Furthurmore the heart of racism is the US vs. THEM mentality, biology or geography have always been a convenient mask on top of that. No, WE are not always to "blame" for everything, "THEY" are us. WE should take responsibility for what we do own.
India and Europe to have a long close history and you are correct that portraying colonialism of the past few centuries as totally seperate, totally black and white victimisation, is indeed an ignorant perspective that can lead to racist thinking. (the White Man's Burden...)
We are blessed with lots of Hydro but that proportion of power production/consumption is getting worse not better. In Vancouver now most of the power is from fuel burning. BC Hydro doesn't advertise this image much.
Damn Dams destroy huge areas and the CO2 from the rotting underwater vegetation is not insignifigant.
Actually Canada isn't doing as much as most other countries. We are clean by virtue of having fewer people and lots of nature to soak it up. per-capity we are worse than the USA in many areas.
And no, we don't "need" cars, we just, as the rest of the world, are too dense to choose the sensible alternatives. (because they cost more and require more cooperation at the start but less over the long term)
Distance is more of a major factor with Hydro. Something like 50% of electricity generated is lost to long distance transmission lines.
Relax, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying your usage is atypical because not very many people are covering the Beijing Olympics or have the costs of hardware is "lost in the noise." You're right that you answered the original post of who uses it. I'm saying that lots of people wouldn't.
Anyway, re-reading the thread you are continuing to argue your original point about "Just because *I* can't use it means that *you* can't use it. " Which I was never disputing (because it seems to be a self evident maxim for one thing)
I was disagreeing about the backache. My netbook is light and i can do with it the types of things more people want to do with portable storage. For you, you can hire sherpas to carry all the extra redundant drives (!4 of them in 2 doubles?) because as you said the cost is irrellevant to you but not for most people and not for everyone who gets backaches.
I think you just proved the point that what you're talking about is a pretty esoteric specialised application - not the general use storage system that the article is talking about.
For most people's usage having a tiny portable computer with the tiny portable drive (and 500GB isn't a big deal these days) is probably more convenient.
The majority of "Photographers" are posting their shots on flickr or something like that anyway.
Sounds like you want specialised (Some say overpriced) professional equipment.
Wikipedia of Aperture says it's an apple RAW photography application. And G-RAID is therefore an apple specific bunch of aluminum external harddrives. With Firewire. I see something similar (but maybe requires plugging in but has the added feature of hot-swap) http://hub.pricecanada.com/detail.php?product_id=477188&sku=DS2320DBK for $150 plus 2x1T($100) drives and your still at only $350. I guess dropping $600 is worth the convenience if you can write it all off as a business expense. But have 2 of them to copy at the same time? How is that not just added complexity. I guess at that level of paranoia $1200 isn't too much. Especially if you think Apple products are "worth it".
Took apart my Father's old 386 that was living in the basement and the 40MB HDD had a $600 price tag. I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.
Wow, trust the internet to have already thought of the random off the cuff idea before you ---turn it into a wholely developed concept.
That's a pretty funny website. Saving power with a black background. It does make one think about futility.
I guess the environment IS evil then. Go over to the dark side... The real energy saving idea that does beyond just compact flourescents bulbs is the Dark Lightbulb! (I'm sure you've got a funny site for that too now.)
Douglas Adams, the truth is stranger than your fiction.
There's been stuff like this around for years. I think this is a fairly standard university robotics/programming group assignment. When I saw it years ago it was named as a variation on a skateboard using segway parts. Naming it Tai Chi isn't exactly innovative.
Nonsense, Netbooks are cheep and putting a 320GB 2.5" in them is standard, in a few months 500GB will be just as cheap... And with a netbook you have the speed of the mainboard sata rather than usb or enchanced usb... plus you got the system already running so you don't need to setup the computer to use the data. I guess there might not be room for RAID in a tiny netbook but... I just lost 800GB due to RAID problems, external backup is what you need not redundant problems.
A lot of people are pointing out some of the obvious technical flaws here: microphone placement, ID/seat assignments, poor quality CAMs suck, etc. etc.
The even more significant issue would be that such a scheme would have serious widespread implementation to be relevant. Which is never, ever going to happen. Cinema's are franchises, it's not like a software update that can be installed everywhere "instantly" fast (within a week for frequently updated systems, years for others...). This system would be difficult to set up effectively in one cinema, let alone a chain of them, let alone an entire city with competing networks, let alone many cities, let alone a whole nation, let alone bigger than that...etc.
This is like the "news" about video watermarks supposedly to be embedded in the films so that the specific theatre/time could be traced. This is like the IR projected from the screen that will make your camera unable to record properly.
None of this could conceivably ever, ever make it past a few experimental test runs in a few random places.
So why is this news? More WAR-ON-DRUGS style propaganda. That is to say disinformation... or more accurately: Utter B.S. that relies entirely on widespread ignorance and a subservient media to not be laughed out of the room. This is like the stories about people injecting Opium (sounds almost plausible except that Opium is a solid) and LSD making people think they can fly off buildings, Reefer Madness etc.
As much as I enjoy wild nerdy speculation about wireless microphones and other espionage imaginings (for financially irrelevant CAMs no less) we should call it what it is: sheer nonsense.
My next question is this: I assume that this is a real company making this "technology" that is important only for its semi-believable bluster. So how do we get in on such a gravy train? I want to write Science Fiction propaganda news articles too!
Why wouldn't it be DRM related? I don't know anything technical about this DRM and I am an anti-DRM zealot....And, it seems logical that no matter how well executed, DRM is an extra step on something (video output) that should logically imply some sort of cost for that extra step and if this is a very competitive field why shouldn't DRM have an impact?
Dogun just says that other cards should be compared which seems not to have anything to do with DRM... Unless this is the only card with DRM or something?
Seriously, I'd like to know because I'll admit I have no idea. How does the DRM impact things?
Why do they need to play alone on the first track? Surely you can play together yet record only the bits you want to? You're still arguing in favour of adapting to the computer rather than adapting the computer.
Actually, I think they mostly sue the people who are sharing rather than those who are downloading. This is immoral since it is not the taker but the giver who gets caught. But legally and practically it is the only way (and even then its not legal or practical except as a token gesture - to make an example of) It is somewhat effective for them to target those who share more than those who take since generosity is not quite as plentiful a human tendency as selfishness... Of course it all blends together in reality.
No you cannot uninstall it. Well you couldn't 10 years ago when it was much simpler. (I haven't used it since then) Maybe now you can but that is only because of court order.
When I tried to remove IE from my Win98 I tried everything. Eventually I got a broken icon on the desktop what would not be deleted. IE was gone (broken by me on purpose) but the icon remained.
I did hear about another way to remove the icon using some special piece of software (a hack) that would cleanly remove it all.
In any case it should not require such a huge effort to simply remove something you are not using.
Third, just because they were convicted of something (relatively minor concerning weight used) does not mean that everything you make them do is "fair".
No, but it means that there is a punishment associated with that conviction. In this case the punishment is quite appropriate because it redresses the problem they caused in the first place. This sentance is actually much more fair than most punishments like for theft where the person is put into jail. How does putting a person in jail redress a theft? It does not. On the other hand making someone stop doing something that has been determined to be a crime is exactly fair and appropiate.
Now you could argue that this ruling doesn't actually redress the crime in the first place but it certainly does more than letting them off the hook.
>Exactly. There are two sets of rules, those for Microsoft, and those for Apple.
Your logic is asinine. If Apple is to be prosecuted then you first have to prosecute M$ because it is much bigger. If you instead want to set the precedent that M$ can get away with anything it wants because it is so big and has drawn this out for 10 years (to the point where it is almost moot) then go ahead.
Your logic is this: A and B are both unlawful monopolies that are getting away with it. B hasn't been punished yet so A should not be also. Neither A nor B should be punished.
Rational Logic: A and B are both unlawful monopolies. We can't punish both at exactly the same time. A is already started so we'll start with A.
You do not have the same rights under the law as Microsoft. You do not and never will have as much money as them. And money makes the law (and other things) go your way.
Also, M$ has been sliding for the last 10 years you were around and not able to be as monopolistic as before because smelly socialist governments decided to start watching them very closely - making it harder to do the kind of dramatic things they did in the previous 10 years (20 years ago) to get that market share.
Your type of argument is the reasoning that proves open source isn't revolutionary enough against the Privatisation of thoughts and ideas... because it legitimises the onerous copyrights and patents by saying "you have a choice" even if - realistically - even with Ubuntu and firefox people still use IE/Windoze.
Free individualism does not result in Freedom for most.
Anyone with half a brain was using Netscape back then (or maybe something else but not IE) The problem was the same as it is today monopoly and user ignorance.
I for one applaud the EU for this decision even if it is 10 years too late and probably only going to have a symbolic impact.
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"that's all there is to it"
Actually social norms are so infused in the whole equation that only social norms give value to the money that is considered the "bottom line" here.
I do agree that we need to re-connect responsibility to the actual pollution but I don't think there's any economic incentivised way to get there. It's Jevons paradox. We need different social values that change the meaning of bottom line and we need to change the meaning of globalisation so that anonymous irresponsible behavior (like buying something that is horrible far away to the people that make it but nice and pretty here in the store) should not be encouraged by the system but reduced. There is no good reason that the more we get together the more we lose track of the consequences. There are more people than ever and more ability to solve these problems than ever before but we need to understand complexity better.
Nice mindfuck there dfenstrate, but you are the one bringing up race here (Is the US really all "white"?)
Your excuse doesn't work. Yes, the Indian government is very much implicated in the Bhopal disaster. However, the shareholders (making money so they can retire and kick back) and company management are the ones who OWN and MANAGE the catastrophe. To excuse US owners and profiteers from responsibility due to their race certainly would be racism.
Furthurmore the heart of racism is the US vs. THEM mentality, biology or geography have always been a convenient mask on top of that. No, WE are not always to "blame" for everything, "THEY" are us. WE should take responsibility for what we do own.
India and Europe to have a long close history and you are correct that portraying colonialism of the past few centuries as totally seperate, totally black and white victimisation, is indeed an ignorant perspective that can lead to racist thinking. (the White Man's Burden...)
We are blessed with lots of Hydro but that proportion of power production/consumption is getting worse not better. In Vancouver now most of the power is from fuel burning. BC Hydro doesn't advertise this image much.
Damn Dams destroy huge areas and the CO2 from the rotting underwater vegetation is not insignifigant.
Actually Canada isn't doing as much as most other countries. We are clean by virtue of having fewer people and lots of nature to soak it up. per-capity we are worse than the USA in many areas.
And no, we don't "need" cars, we just, as the rest of the world, are too dense to choose the sensible alternatives. (because they cost more and require more cooperation at the start but less over the long term)
Distance is more of a major factor with Hydro. Something like 50% of electricity generated is lost to long distance transmission lines.
Relax, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying your usage is atypical because not very many people are covering the Beijing Olympics or have the costs of hardware is "lost in the noise." You're right that you answered the original post of who uses it. I'm saying that lots of people wouldn't.
Anyway, re-reading the thread you are continuing to argue your original point about "Just because *I* can't use it means that *you* can't use it. " Which I was never disputing (because it seems to be a self evident maxim for one thing)
I was disagreeing about the backache. My netbook is light and i can do with it the types of things more people want to do with portable storage. For you, you can hire sherpas to carry all the extra redundant drives (!4 of them in 2 doubles?) because as you said the cost is irrellevant to you but not for most people and not for everyone who gets backaches.
Enjoy!
I think you just proved the point that what you're talking about is a pretty esoteric specialised application - not the general use storage system that the article is talking about.
For most people's usage having a tiny portable computer with the tiny portable drive (and 500GB isn't a big deal these days) is probably more convenient.
The majority of "Photographers" are posting their shots on flickr or something like that anyway.
Sounds like you want specialised (Some say overpriced) professional equipment.
Wikipedia of Aperture says it's an apple RAW photography application. And G-RAID is therefore an apple specific bunch of aluminum external harddrives. With Firewire. I see something similar (but maybe requires plugging in but has the added feature of hot-swap) http://hub.pricecanada.com/detail.php?product_id=477188&sku=DS2320DBK for $150 plus 2x1T($100) drives and your still at only $350. I guess dropping $600 is worth the convenience if you can write it all off as a business expense. But have 2 of them to copy at the same time? How is that not just added complexity. I guess at that level of paranoia $1200 isn't too much. Especially if you think Apple products are "worth it".
Took apart my Father's old 386 that was living in the basement and the 40MB HDD had a $600 price tag. I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.
nice =-O
Wow, trust the internet to have already thought of the random off the cuff idea before you ---turn it into a wholely developed concept.
That's a pretty funny website. Saving power with a black background. It does make one think about futility.
I guess the environment IS evil then. Go over to the dark side... The real energy saving idea that does beyond just compact flourescents bulbs is the Dark Lightbulb! (I'm sure you've got a funny site for that too now.)
Douglas Adams, the truth is stranger than your fiction.
Private property created theft. Governments can't seem to fix that though, they either abet the crime or commit their own ones re-patrioting things.
All Dark Google pages and logos have a black background! Ooooooo....
There's been stuff like this around for years. I think this is a fairly standard university robotics/programming group assignment. When I saw it years ago it was named as a variation on a skateboard using segway parts. Naming it Tai Chi isn't exactly innovative.
Nonsense, Netbooks are cheep and putting a 320GB 2.5" in them is standard, in a few months 500GB will be just as cheap... And with a netbook you have the speed of the mainboard sata rather than usb or enchanced usb... plus you got the system already running so you don't need to setup the computer to use the data. I guess there might not be room for RAID in a tiny netbook but... I just lost 800GB due to RAID problems, external backup is what you need not redundant problems.
I'd say you're the one who fails to see the ultra subtle sarcasm here. Triple puns! QT Qt Q.T.
Or maybe you are being sarcastic with your FAIL as well? So deeeeep.
Ah, if only emoticons weren't so lame... text just doesn't convey tone of voice.
A lot of people are pointing out some of the obvious technical flaws here: microphone placement, ID/seat assignments, poor quality CAMs suck, etc. etc.
The even more significant issue would be that such a scheme would have serious widespread implementation to be relevant. Which is never, ever going to happen. Cinema's are franchises, it's not like a software update that can be installed everywhere "instantly" fast (within a week for frequently updated systems, years for others...). This system would be difficult to set up effectively in one cinema, let alone a chain of them, let alone an entire city with competing networks, let alone many cities, let alone a whole nation, let alone bigger than that...etc.
This is like the "news" about video watermarks supposedly to be embedded in the films so that the specific theatre/time could be traced. This is like the IR projected from the screen that will make your camera unable to record properly.
None of this could conceivably ever, ever make it past a few experimental test runs in a few random places.
So why is this news? More WAR-ON-DRUGS style propaganda. That is to say disinformation... or more accurately: Utter B.S. that relies entirely on widespread ignorance and a subservient media to not be laughed out of the room. This is like the stories about people injecting Opium (sounds almost plausible except that Opium is a solid) and LSD making people think they can fly off buildings, Reefer Madness etc.
As much as I enjoy wild nerdy speculation about wireless microphones and other espionage imaginings (for financially irrelevant CAMs no less) we should call it what it is: sheer nonsense.
My next question is this: I assume that this is a real company making this "technology" that is important only for its semi-believable bluster. So how do we get in on such a gravy train? I want to write Science Fiction propaganda news articles too!
Why wouldn't it be DRM related? I don't know anything technical about this DRM and I am an anti-DRM zealot. ...And, it seems logical that no matter how well executed, DRM is an extra step on something (video output) that should logically imply some sort of cost for that extra step and if this is a very competitive field why shouldn't DRM have an impact?
Dogun just says that other cards should be compared which seems not to have anything to do with DRM... Unless this is the only card with DRM or something?
Seriously, I'd like to know because I'll admit I have no idea. How does the DRM impact things?
Why do they need to play alone on the first track? Surely you can play together yet record only the bits you want to? You're still arguing in favour of adapting to the computer rather than adapting the computer.
If you'll accept that windows isn't ready for ANYONE.
all your ideas are belong to us!
Actually, I think they mostly sue the people who are sharing rather than those who are downloading. This is immoral since it is not the taker but the giver who gets caught. But legally and practically it is the only way (and even then its not legal or practical except as a token gesture - to make an example of) It is somewhat effective for them to target those who share more than those who take since generosity is not quite as plentiful a human tendency as selfishness... Of course it all blends together in reality.
No you cannot uninstall it. Well you couldn't 10 years ago when it was much simpler. (I haven't used it since then) Maybe now you can but that is only because of court order.
When I tried to remove IE from my Win98 I tried everything. Eventually I got a broken icon on the desktop what would not be deleted. IE was gone (broken by me on purpose) but the icon remained.
I did hear about another way to remove the icon using some special piece of software (a hack) that would cleanly remove it all.
In any case it should not require such a huge effort to simply remove something you are not using.
Third, just because they were convicted of something (relatively minor concerning weight used) does not mean that everything you make them do is "fair".
No, but it means that there is a punishment associated with that conviction. In this case the punishment is quite appropriate because it redresses the problem they caused in the first place. This sentance is actually much more fair than most punishments like for theft where the person is put into jail. How does putting a person in jail redress a theft? It does not. On the other hand making someone stop doing something that has been determined to be a crime is exactly fair and appropiate.
Now you could argue that this ruling doesn't actually redress the crime in the first place but it certainly does more than letting them off the hook.
>Exactly. There are two sets of rules, those for Microsoft, and those for Apple.
Your logic is asinine. If Apple is to be prosecuted then you first have to prosecute M$ because it is much bigger. If you instead want to set the precedent that M$ can get away with anything it wants because it is so big and has drawn this out for 10 years (to the point where it is almost moot) then go ahead.
Your logic is this: A and B are both unlawful monopolies that are getting away with it. B hasn't been punished yet so A should not be also. Neither A nor B should be punished.
Rational Logic: A and B are both unlawful monopolies. We can't punish both at exactly the same time. A is already started so we'll start with A.
Zero Sum Gain is the thing the advocates of Capitalism claim to disprove. Hypocrite.
You do not have the same rights under the law as Microsoft. You do not and never will have as much money as them. And money makes the law (and other things) go your way.
Also, M$ has been sliding for the last 10 years you were around and not able to be as monopolistic as before because smelly socialist governments decided to start watching them very closely - making it harder to do the kind of dramatic things they did in the previous 10 years (20 years ago) to get that market share.
Your type of argument is the reasoning that proves open source isn't revolutionary enough against the Privatisation of thoughts and ideas... because it legitimises the onerous copyrights and patents by saying "you have a choice" even if - realistically - even with Ubuntu and firefox people still use IE/Windoze.
Free individualism does not result in Freedom for most.
Firefox is so badass it is popular due to merit instead of bundling...
Anyone with half a brain was using Netscape back then (or maybe something else but not IE) The problem was the same as it is today monopoly and user ignorance.
I for one applaud the EU for this decision even if it is 10 years too late and probably only going to have a symbolic impact.
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