I ws working on my own review, and if there is still interest in hearing what I have to say about the conferance, I'd be willing to submit it (and hope that it is posted).
In short:
Just about everyone was talking about filtering, which is at the wong end. Very few people where talking about the problems that spamming cause or solutions to end spamming. I say a few. There was talks by John Draper on taking down spammers and by Paul Judge of Cipher Trust on Spam Research, and one other person (Bill Y?) said that spam will continue until the cost of sending that email costs much more than it does now.
Here's where my opinion varies from the filting crowd, and I'll use myself as an example. I just returned from a 3 week holiday in Europe (visiting family and skiing - yeah, I know, I suck;-) ), and in those 3 weeks I recieved 8,000 emails. No lie. Of the 8,000, 20 where worth looking at (7 where from airlines with deals of the week- ham in the spam language, 3 dealt with people asking where they could buy liquid nitrogen (see url if you have to know), which left me with 10 messages that where of any real interest to me.
The 7,980 emails which were spam should have been marked and labled as such before it ever reaches me.
That's the problem: the email system is going to die under the weight of junk mail being sent, and people are going to start to not deal with email at all becuase the usefulness of email has been ruined by the flood of junk mail over real mail.
Filtering of email is after the fact and does not address the issue of the infrastructure failing under the weight of the crap.
So, what is the solution? Is there a solution? I hope so.
I would venture to say that these same Phish shows will be available on Etree sites, so why does livephish think people will pay for what they A) can get free already from Etree or B) will almost certainly end up on Etree anyway?
Because I support the band
Because I like their music, and it's from the patch board, where the signal is nice and clean
Because we all been bitching and moaning about the DMCA and record companies, and this can prove to the bands that there are other ways to make money
Because I'm Karma Whoring, here and in the real world
Excuse me, What the hell do you do for a living? Quite useful when a passenger said he bailed out of the car before the driver opened fire on our officers, when the passenger was, in reality, reloading the weapon for the driver to use.
A Simpson's quote to rebutle your quote:
Troy: {[on TV] Now turn to the next problem. If you have three Pepsis and drink one, how much more refreshed are you? You, the redhead in the Chicago school system?
[a window opens up on the screen to show the girl]}
Girl: {Pepsi?}
Troy: {Partial credit!}
(http://www.snpp.com/episodes/2F15.html)
The Statiz (sp? E. German Secret Police) did something like this once. They would take samples of everything and place it in sealed jars so if they needed to track you with the hounds later, they could in theory open the jar with a sample of your sofa in it and let the dogs loose.
If you read the news clipping you'd notice that the script was already developed, and will continue to be developed now that the studio has bought rights to the name to go along with the story- and it appears that they'll use the three laws as the premiss for a murder mystery.
Oh hum...
I think it's time to build the spam filter into Sendmail and the like. Add a new mime type header that reads what the odds are that a peice of email is junk and then refuse to send it along if it fails to pass the mustard. It's our internet, we can take it back...
No, a breakup is not the death sentence for a company, dissolventecy(sp?) is. A break would be a good thing, if you think about it, it forces more competition, innovation, and everything else that is sorely needed in this industry.
Scary how this rule keeps coming back time and time again. No problem is ever going to be like any other problem, expect in the abstract. 80% of what you will need to do for any family of problems can be turned into a module / code base, but beyond that you will have to start customizing your code to the partitulars(sp?) of the problem. And let's face it, 80% of your time on the project will be working on the 20% customization.
Active X was pegged from the start as the dangerious hole that it is, and now IE is so tied in with the base OS that people like my mother are screwed over time and time again by these people and programs[1].
MS in make our lives so much easier has forgotten that not everyone is altruistic as they are. Or maybe everyone is....
[1]Don't say give her Linux. Trust me, if I could I would have already, just not practial for her or me.
How in the world this is different than a XXX domain which is marked for adults only? Adult web sites could opt-in as well to an adults only domain (ICANN really did fuck up when they nixed the xxx domain).
If the TV execs. hated Tivo and company, El Gato just became target number one. It's one thing if the process to record TV is see as technically hard, but this thing will allow your mother to do it- and that's where the execs will start to worry. It's too simple... I'm guessing that you can edit out the commericals, compile a season of a TV program and send it around the world in nothing flat.
That might be true that men only think with half our brains, but since we're true engineers we've made use of our redunant head to assist us with some of our thinking!
Send rocket to the moon with critics and bring them back. A month after they've returned and saying how great it really was and that they were wrong to question the original moon shot, leak a fake video of them on a moon set. Now the conspiracy nuts can't trust each other....
I don't know. Do you ski in the Alps often? How about the Andes? Rockies for sure? You should ski like I do - defensively. Be ready for anything and everything, including those 8 year old kamakazi kids...
I run, sail, ski, and do other things. It would be great to have something like this with more memory (I rather not have my music on a hd when running or skiing- crash disk is no fun), 512 would be fairly good. I would love to see one of these things also able to accept Winamp plugins (ogg, adx, etc).
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I ws working on my own review, and if there is still interest in hearing what I have to say about the conferance, I'd be willing to submit it (and hope that it is posted).
In short:
Just about everyone was talking about filtering, which is at the wong end. Very few people where talking about the problems that spamming cause or solutions to end spamming. I say a few. There was talks by John Draper on taking down spammers and by Paul Judge of Cipher Trust on Spam Research, and one other person (Bill Y?) said that spam will continue until the cost of sending that email costs much more than it does now.
Here's where my opinion varies from the filting crowd, and I'll use myself as an example. I just returned from a 3 week holiday in Europe (visiting family and skiing - yeah, I know, I suck ;-) ), and in those 3 weeks I recieved 8,000 emails. No lie. Of the 8,000, 20 where worth looking at (7 where from airlines with deals of the week- ham in the spam language, 3 dealt with people asking where they could buy liquid nitrogen (see url if you have to know), which left me with 10 messages that where of any real interest to me.
The 7,980 emails which were spam should have been marked and labled as such before it ever reaches me.
That's the problem: the email system is going to die under the weight of junk mail being sent, and people are going to start to not deal with email at all becuase the usefulness of email has been ruined by the flood of junk mail over real mail. Filtering of email is after the fact and does not address the issue of the infrastructure failing under the weight of the crap.
So, what is the solution? Is there a solution? I hope so.
Excuse me,
What the hell do you do for a living?
Quite useful when a passenger said he bailed out of the car before the driver opened fire on our officers, when the passenger was, in reality, reloading the weapon for the driver to use.
So if I own a huge telescope and watch the event for free will I be accused of piracy?
A Simpson's quote to rebutle your quote:
Troy: {[on TV] Now turn to the next problem. If you have three Pepsis and drink one, how much more refreshed are you? You, the redhead in the Chicago school system?
[a window opens up on the screen to show the girl]}
Girl: {Pepsi?}
Troy: {Partial credit!}
(http://www.snpp.com/episodes/2F15.html)
The Statiz (sp? E. German Secret Police) did something like this once. They would take samples of everything and place it in sealed jars so if they needed to track you with the hounds later, they could in theory open the jar with a sample of your sofa in it and let the dogs loose.
Funny thing was that it didn't work.
And do they offer public stock?
If so, I'm going to buy a few shares so I can sue them for mismanagement.
If you read the news clipping you'd notice that the script was already developed, and will continue to be developed now that the studio has bought rights to the name to go along with the story- and it appears that they'll use the three laws as the premiss for a murder mystery.
Oh hum...
I think it's time to build the spam filter into Sendmail and the like. Add a new mime type header that reads what the odds are that a peice of email is junk and then refuse to send it along if it fails to pass the mustard.
It's our internet, we can take it back...
No, a breakup is not the death sentence for a company, dissolventecy(sp?) is.
A break would be a good thing, if you think about it, it forces more competition, innovation, and everything else that is sorely needed in this industry.
One of the many things that I liek about Windows is that it downloads Gator and all of the other assorted scumware out there. YAY!
do they get to keep their downloads or is this like a fine that one pays to a court?
Scary how this rule keeps coming back time and time again.
No problem is ever going to be like any other problem, expect in the abstract. 80% of what you will need to do for any family of problems can be turned into a module / code base, but beyond that you will have to start customizing your code to the partitulars(sp?) of the problem.
And let's face it, 80% of your time on the project will be working on the 20% customization.
and rightfully so.
Active X was pegged from the start as the dangerious hole that it is, and now IE is so tied in with the base OS that people like my mother are screwed over time and time again by these people and programs[1].
MS in make our lives so much easier has forgotten that not everyone is altruistic as they are. Or maybe everyone is....
[1]Don't say give her Linux. Trust me, if I could I would have already, just not practial for her or me.
Before someone marks this as funny, would a forest fire be an extream hazord because of the radioactivity?
Let's not forget that recently the Los Alamos area was on fire from forest fires.
If the game will allow me to play as José Bové?
Google the name if you don't get the joke.
and try to make a recoding of the event.
Does anyone have any questions they'd like to have asked?
How in the world this is different than a XXX domain which is marked for adults only?
Adult web sites could opt-in as well to an adults only domain (ICANN really did fuck up when they nixed the xxx domain).
How about First Come, First Served, Personal Rights over Corporate Rights?
If the TV execs. hated Tivo and company, El Gato just became target number one.
It's one thing if the process to record TV is see as technically hard, but this thing will allow your mother to do it- and that's where the execs will start to worry. It's too simple...
I'm guessing that you can edit out the commericals, compile a season of a TV program and send it around the world in nothing flat.
That might be true that men only think with half our brains, but since we're true engineers we've made use of our redunant head to assist us with some of our thinking!
Send rocket to the moon with critics and bring them back. A month after they've returned and saying how great it really was and that they were wrong to question the original moon shot, leak a fake video of them on a moon set.
Now the conspiracy nuts can't trust each other....
The whole artical read as a huge advert. /. isn't the only one placing ads as stories...
Guess
I don't know. Do you ski in the Alps often? How about the Andes? Rockies for sure?
You should ski like I do - defensively. Be ready for anything and everything, including those 8 year old kamakazi kids...
I run, sail, ski, and do other things. It would be great to have something like this with more memory (I rather not have my music on a hd when running or skiing- crash disk is no fun), 512 would be fairly good.
I would love to see one of these things also able to accept Winamp plugins (ogg, adx, etc).