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USB Key-Sized MP3 Player With LCD Display

nhahmada writes "The Muvo MP3 player/storage device from Creative has been out for awhile, but some have complained of its lack of a display or equalizer. Well, now Innogear has released the 128MB Duex mp302 with a backlit LCD supporting ID3 tags, a "multi-category" equalizer and a timer (Why?). The mp302 also has the ability to record/playback voice via its built-in microphone. It can be used for storing any type of file and plays MP3/WMA/WAV. Both the Muvo and mp302 run on one AAA, giving 12 hours of continuous playback. Running at $179, it's a little more expensive than the $169.99 128MB Muvo, but I am willing to shell out ten bucks for an LCD. Go here for a better look at the display."

391 comments

  1. LCD Display by PerlPooch · · Score: 5, Funny

    LCD = Liquid Crystal Display. So that's Liquid Crystal Display Display.
    From the department of redundancy department.

    1. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get a life man.

    2. Re:LCD Display by Prince_Ali · · Score: 3, Funny

      With all the recursive acronyms out there a few redundant ones won't hurt. I propose that LCD will now stand for LCD Crystal Display.

    3. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nabisco Co. = National Biscuit Company Company

    4. Re:LCD Display by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 1, Redundant

      No different than hearing incessantly about the SALT Talks back in (gosh what was, the 70's? 80's?) where SALT = Strategic Arms Limitation Talks, so SALT talks was Strategic Arms Limitation Talks talks...

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    5. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GNU anyone??

    6. Re:LCD Display by siskbc · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does that make you AR Retentive?

      Who mods this up?

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    7. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha ha ha, very funny.

      How about you be usefull and tell me if that thing will connect to my current NIC card?

    8. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the commercials, a lot of cars come with an ABS Braking System.

    9. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget Laser RADAR.

    10. Re:LCD Display by amembrane · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hope you can enter a PIN number for security.

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      They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    11. Re:LCD Display by Ponty · · Score: 1

      No, but you'll need to get the money for it from an ATM machine.

    12. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, cuz GNU is Not Unix! :)

    13. Re:LCD Display by voodoopriestess · · Score: 1


      Light Amplification by the Stimulated Emission of Radiation RAdio Detecting And Ranging
      </anti-acronym mode>

      Ummm - I don't get it!

      Iain

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    14. Re:LCD Display by FatRatBastard · · Score: 2

      I think it comes with Spinal Tap's "Tonight, I'm Gonna Rock You Tonight" as freebie.

    15. Re:LCD Display by Ponty · · Score: 1

      It's inaccurate, but it's a lot more appealing than an A Braking System.

      Actually, I've more frequently heard people talking about an "Antilock Braking System" or "ABS Brakes." Both are okay, as in the latter, "Antilock Braking System" is used as a modifier for Brakes. But this is all irrelevant =)

    16. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I hope you can enter a PIN number for security.

      I always enter my PIN number when using my MAC card at the ATM machine.

    17. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liquid Crystal Diode Display.

      Someone screwed the pooch.

    18. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you are just grossly idiotic.

      SALT = Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty

    19. Re:LCD Display by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Irregardless, LCD Displays won't help you remember you're PIN Number at the ATM Machine.

    20. Re:LCD Display by baldass_newbie · · Score: 1

      Irregardless

      "Nice one, Centurion. Liked it. Liked it."

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    21. Re:LCD Display by Cy+Guy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Liquid Crystal Diode Display

      thank you!.

    22. Re:LCD Display by Didion+Sprague · · Score: 1

      Sorry, dude.

      SALT = Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty

      I know, because I was there. I brokered it.

      And I warned folks to watch out for fat dictators in one piece jumpsuits. Of course, no one listened.

      Now, our new threat is a fat dictator in a one-piece jumpsuit with a zipper up the front.

      Here's a hint from your friendly neighborhood dictator-dress-code-fashion-review-squad: if you're a dictator, and you're an evil sonofabitch, do a couple things:

      a) Lose weight.

      b) Don't wear jumpsuit that make you look like a child molester.

      c) Get a decent pair of sunglasses.
      .

    23. Re:LCD Display by terkozer · · Score: 1

      Kind of like Microsoft Windows 2000.. Built on NT Technology (New Technology, Technology)!..

      Before people start throwing out other interpretations of the NT acronym, here are a couple of links.

      A definition from ntfaq.com

      A funnier set of possibilities

    24. Re:LCD Display by Sabalon · · Score: 2

      Too bad it doesn't have a NIC Card :)

    25. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Irregardless, LCD Displays won't help you remember you are PIN Number at the ATM Machine.

      Now, does that make sense?

    26. Re:LCD Display by El+Kevbo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Somwhere, an English teacher cries out in pain and wonders why...

    27. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all fairness the parent should've been modded "redundant" :-D

    28. Re:LCD Display by bumby · · Score: 1

      Not quite the same. GNU is a recursive acronym.
      GNU Not Unix. Though GNU Unix would be a little like LCD Display.

      GNU Unix, what a paradox :P

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    29. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not, they're not the only lot whose over redundant. When you boot Windows 2000 it says, "Windows 2000 xxxx Built on NT Technology" which when you strip away the acryonyms means:

      "Windows 2000 xxxx Built on New Technology Technology"

    30. Re:LCD Display by Tantrum420 · · Score: 1

      Um... Are you referring to a Light Emitting Diode? That's different than a Liquid Crystal Display.

      T

    31. Re:LCD Display by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      I heard someone use the term "Personal PIN Number" once. People just have issues with acronyms, yet continue to use them.

    32. Re:LCD Display by Delta-9 · · Score: 4, Funny

      From the department of redundancy department.

      I wonder how many other /.ers have that same free t-shirt? I use mine to wax my car.

    33. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's kinda like when you see someone speak in Spanish or any Language other than English on TV... they'll be like...

      Carlos ran over my Perro Dog.

      It's like subtitles would be too difficult for us to figure out so we better get an instant translation. Why bother using the words in other languages, or acronyms if you're just gonna repeat it all over again! Kinda takes the fun out of acronymns AFAIC.

    34. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feckin' great troll, dude.

    35. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NT stands for NICE TITS

    36. Re:LCD Display by halo8 · · Score: 1

      +5 mod points to that?!?
      and yet my calls for a LORT logo go unmodded

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    37. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      those ATM machines run Windows 2000, built on NT technology.

    38. Re:LCD Display by The+Original+Yama · · Score: 2

      "LCD" isn't an acronym, it is an abbreviation. That is, unless you pronounce the letters as if they formed a word (which would sound pretty retarded if you ask me).

    39. Re:LCD Display by andy+landy · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of when Windows 2000 came out.

      Built using New NT Technology!

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    40. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LCD is an acronym, retard. Liq. Crys. Disp. would be an abbreviation.

    41. Re:LCD Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A cashpoint near me has '2417' written above it on the wall with a spraycan! Awesome idea!

    42. Re:LCD Display by worthb · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you can plug it into your USB bus.

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    43. Re:LCD Display by dupper · · Score: 1
      LCD stands for LCD Crystal Display
      What does the LCD in that stand for

      Remember, GNU's Not Usable

    44. Re:LCD Display by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 1

      "Re:LCD Display (Score:1, Redundant) "

      OHHHHHHHHHHHH GROAN!!!!!!

      [Not off-topic, not redundant, not trolling. It's funny, kind sir :) ]

  2. Could be a great device if.. by dostick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now that could be a great device if it could have mobile phone built in. Or at least a connection to phone.

    The most annoying thing about players today is that you can't hear when your mobile rings.

    1. Re:Could be a great device if.. by dildatron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      why not just put your phone on vibrate?

      I personally want my phone to be a phone and my mp3 player to play mp3's. convergence creates bad interfaces or limited funcionality most of the time.

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    2. Re:Could be a great device if.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and god created vibrations on phones

    3. Re:Could be a great device if.. by dgp · · Score: 2

      The Ericsson P800 is trying to be such a device. A moblie phone/PDA/MP3 Player. it has Java and Bluetooth. It has a headphone jack and uses mini-memorysticks (MemoryStick Duo) to hold mp3s or whatever. It runs the Symbian operating system. Its also not for sale yet, supposedly its coming out in January 2003.

    4. Re:Could be a great device if.. by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bluetooth would have provided perfect convergence if it had been designed properly: Your headphones would play the audio feed from your MP3 player, but give your cell phone a higher priority when it rang.

      I get a little teary when I think of the lost potential in Bluetooth. Maybe they'll get things working right in a couple more years.

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    5. Re:Could be a great device if.. by GlassUser · · Score: 1

      Well that's no good. I don't have anything else that uses memorystick, and I'm not shelling out extra dollars to support a proprietary hardward design. Everything else I have uses CF and works just fine.

    6. Re:Could be a great device if.. by Textbook+Error · · Score: 0

      Several in-car kits for cell phones (at least in Europe) also do this - when the phone rings, it suppresses the car radio signal (in the same way traffic alerts do) so that you know you've got a call/SMS coming through.

      I would not be at all surprised if the Bluetooth enabled phones established a common "something just happened" standard in the future, and devices like car stereos/iPods reacted accordingly.

      I could definitely see Apple doing something like this with a future iPod, and it would certainly beat having to stick your phone in your hip pocket and relying on the vibration alert (since they tend to make you do a Frink-style "Mm-hai!" when they go off unexpectedly while you're listening to something else).

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    7. Re:Could be a great device if.. by limber · · Score: 4, Funny

      why not just put your phone on vibrate?...i personally want my phone to be a phone...

      i agree 100% that convergence sucks where there's no good reason for it. i can't count the number of times i've accidentally put my vibrator on 'phone', and had to answer a call:

      "Umm, hi, kind of busy right now, talk to you later."

      And when the MP3 player's on too? even Barry White sounds odd...

    8. Re:Could be a great device if.. by Rader · · Score: 2

      Ok, now that was funny!

    9. Re:Could be a great device if.. by jred · · Score: 2

      You should keep your phone in your front pocket. That way, when it goes off, you know someone likes you :)

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      jred
      I'm not a mechanic but I play one in my garage...
    10. Re:Could be a great device if.. by BigBir3d · · Score: 1

      You want what Bill Gates wants.

    11. Re:Could be a great device if.. by gol64738 · · Score: 2

      well lets hope the operating system runs better than on the T68 series. that OS was a cludgy slow POS.

    12. Re:Could be a great device if.. by The+Original+Yama · · Score: 2

      Could be a great device if I didn't have to reach behind my computer every time I wanted to plug it in or pull it out. Now that's annoying! I hope it comes with a USB extension lead.

  3. Add Ogg! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    And I'll buy one!

    1. Re:Add Ogg! by Dr.Luke · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Damn it you beat me to the obligatory "add ogg" complaint. Well, what I want to know is when are we going to be able to run Linux on a Beowolf cluster of these babies! There!

    2. Re:Add Ogg! by SWroclawski · · Score: 3, Funny

      How can this comment be redundant when it was the first Vorbis post?

  4. And... by C_nemo · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's playing Jenifer Lopez? .. wtf. i'm not getting one

    1. Re:And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just imagine its a Durex and Jennifer Lopez is right beside you...

    2. Re:And... by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 2, Funny

      Durex? Think "bareback"!

      You kids today with your fancy condoms...

    3. Re:And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard a rumor you can put *your own* music on it. This is just a rumor, though. Oh, and those picture frames with the pictures in them -- you can replace those with pictures of people you know!

    4. Re:And... by machine+of+god · · Score: 1

      I'm more worried about that little usb cover thing. I think I'd lose it. Then I'd have nothing to cover my little thing. USB thing, I mean.

  5. Creative Zen by batboy78 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I still think I'm going to hold out for the Creative Nomad Zen. A little more expensive. Lets see 20GB.... 128MB. Hmmmmmmmm.

    1. Re:Creative Zen by questionlp · · Score: 1

      Only problem is that you can't jog with the Nomad Zen players since it's HD based nor is it as portable as the tiny players. Of course, everyone's needs are different and I personally like a HD based jukebox since I rarely run or need to listen to it on the go. For true portability, I'll take my Sony MZ-R909 portable MD player/recorder (proprietary, SCMS, slow record time, blah, blah, blah... I personally don't mind the record time as it gives me a chance to listen to the song).

      Just my $0.005 (danged taxes).

    2. Re:Creative Zen by WatertonMan · · Score: 2
      Can't you jog with the iPod? I know people who do. Why would the Zen be different?

      I must admit though that I wonder why anyone buys these memory based MP3 players when the hard drive ones are out and frequently only a bit more.

    3. Re:Creative Zen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try running your laptop while shaking the living fsck out of it. After the hard drive heads scratch deep marks on the otherwise perfect metal platters, do a diagnostic and see what the results of spinning a hard drive while applying shock can be.

    4. Re:Creative Zen by frunch · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yep. The iPod has 20 minutes of skip protection say the iPod specs.

      They don't list a memory size, but I'm guessing it's 16-32 megs of skip protection.

    5. Re:Creative Zen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't like the sound of 'skip protection' for a harddisk, things crashing around inside a harddrive unwarranted doesn't sound particularly healthy...

    6. Re:Creative Zen by TiMac · · Score: 1
      Yup. 32 MB of skip protection. It's somewhere in the iPod tech specs...just too lazy to find the link....you find it! :)

      iPod

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    7. Re:Creative Zen by MooseGuy529 · · Score: 1

      No, he meant that he only has $0.005 because he paid the other $0.015 in taxes. If he had said "inflation", then $0.05 would be right.

      Have a nice Trolly day,

      Tom

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    8. Re:Creative Zen by MooseGuy529 · · Score: 1

      "Just my $0.005 (danged taxes)."

      How is that wrong? Taxes take away money. Usually it's "Just my $0.02", so he said "Just my $0.005 (danged taxes)." because he had to pay money. Profit - expense (such as taxes) = net profit, for example, $0.02 - $0.015 = $0.005.

      Take 1st grade math again.

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  6. to eliminate a hundred comments by dildatron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    olbigatory comment about not decoding ogg files.

    yeesus, is it that hard to decode ogg files? all you have to do is implement it!

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    1. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      And know about it!

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    2. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by batboy78 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      yeesus, is it that hard to decode ogg files

      Doesn't the OGG codec require a lot more processor power to decode?

    3. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by bradkittenbrink · · Score: 4, Informative

      I believe the holdup was developing an integer only arithmetic implementation. Embedded devices don't usually have that powerful an fpu. Anybody know how much progress has been made in this area?

    4. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know. Does it?

    5. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by Joseph+Vigneau · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes.
      And I'm not buying a dedicated player until it plays ogg files. I bought a Zaurus 5500 just for this purpose. I'd like to also buy a more purpose-built device for this, though, and I refuse to buy one that does not play Ogg Vorbis I files.

    6. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by static_noise · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most of these devices do not use a processor for decoding but a dedicated hardware MP3 decoder. If there was an Ogg MP3 decoder at the same price it would probably be used.

    7. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by marauder404 · · Score: 2

      Design the chip, have it fabbed at a custom fabrication plant, sell them by the millions, and retire in five years! As soon as people start using ogg in significant numbers ...

    8. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by huntz0r · · Score: 1

      The problem is that decoding ogg requires more powerful hardware than is currently practical in applications like these, or even "regular" sized hard disk players.

      In a year or two maybe ogg will get some support in these small mp3 players, but don't hold your breath...

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    9. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by Puk · · Score: 2

      Good point. I know someone (fairly geeky) who is building his own MP3 player, but is not having it play ogg because he can't get an off-the-shelf decoder chip, whereas mp3 ones are cheap and easy to come by.

      I know the Ogg Vorbis team released their all-integer decoder under a BSD license. Is anyone working on custom ogg (or preferably dual ogg/mp3) decoder chips/ASICs? It could even be a pic or equivalent with some code in ROM, although that would probably be a higher cost/space/power consumption solution.

      Hey, I could do that. ;)

      -Puk

    10. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I personally wonder if you can implement a program that creates obligatory comments on the fly. It'll search for keywords in the Slashdot article and if it finds one, it can post the appropriate question.

      select(keyword)
      case "Apple":
      Print "But when will they have multi-button mice?"
      case "MP3":
      Print "But when will they support ogg?"
      case "Microsoft", "Micro$oft":
      Print "That's why I use *nix"

      etc etc.

      Of course there are no breaks in there, won't work with any language to date probably but you get the gist. It'd be interesting to see how high you could get up in mod points. Then once your "bot" got mod points he could mod posts up according to the same criteria!

    11. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Yes it is too hard to implement.
      A device like that has at best an 8bit chip like a pic or avr a flashram chip, and a MP3 decoder chip. What gets me is there a wma decoder chip?

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    12. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by Sparks23 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I work at a microchip company who have developed a chip which can be reconfigured to be different specific hardware applications suitable for embedding (see: myriad whitepapers on 'adaptive computing', or chips that can rebuild themselves into new chips specified in software, allowing software to upgrade hardware).

      One of the already-completed and working demos of an application reconfiguring the chip to be an appropriate piece of embedded hardware is an Ogg Vorbis decoder (I /think/ the apps folks based it on Tremor, not the floating-point version of Ogg Vorbis, but I work on the compiler/assembler/simulation tools, not the apps); it's been demo'd one or two places, and a couple companies are interested. Especially since the same chip also has a demo doing MP3 decoding, meaning you could use one of these and handle both in an embedded device. :)

      Downside, I can't say anything more specific (i.e., release date for a finalized mass-produced chip or any info on the Ogg Vorbis demo other than that it exists or who the companies interested in that particular application are) because of NDAs. Yay, NDAs! ;P

      But suffice it to say, there /is/ a chip out there that does this, in real-world demonstrations.

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    13. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by Puk · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Can I ask what type of technology it's based on (FPGA or otherwise)? I've done a little (read: very little) work in the area, but I'm mostly a pure-software coder. Also, can I ask what company you work for? I can understand if you can't answer those. :) Sounds interesting, though.

      -Puk

    14. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by xercist · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, actually it takes a bit -less- processing power to decode vorbis, but a bit more memory. The real problem here is that most of these players use dedicated mp3-decoding chips. That's all they do, and can't be reprogrammed for other things. Some players use ARM based processors, and this is where a firmware upgrade enabling vorbis-decoding is possible. However, the truth is that right now most of these companies are losing money on portable players - they're just so cheap. To make them play oggs requires engineers, and engineers cost money. Most of these companies have already laid off all their engineers because they can't afford to keep paying them after initially creating the hardware/firmware.

      Anyway, you didn't hear it from me, but iRiver is currently working on implementing vorbis support in their portables.

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    15. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

    16. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by Hugonz · · Score: 1

      FALSE, these use DSP's. They decode WMA, how is it any harder to make them decode OGG?

    17. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by the_olo · · Score: 1
      I believe the holdup was developing an integer only arithmetic implementation. Embedded devices don't usually have that powerful an fpu. Anybody know how much progress has been made in this area?

      See the mailing list here. There are people who try to optimize the Tremor codec to fit the power of popular embedded hardware, and one japanese guy from a hardwre manufacturer in Japan was asking in October for info about hardware requirements. So progress is definately being made.

    18. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by twifkak · · Score: 1

      No.

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    19. Re:to eliminate a hundred comments by juhaz · · Score: 1

      The device mentioned in this story has WMA support, though, so it probably doesn't have a dedicated mp3 decoder, and thus could maybe support ogg as well with a software update...

  7. No OGG? by mrjive · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Sigh

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  8. What I want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What I want is an FM radio with MP3 recorder and programmable recording.

    So I can record, say, Talk of the Nation on NPR in the morning and listen to it in the afternoon.

    Why doesn't anybody make this yet???

    Tivo for NPR. It would be great for saving stuff to listen to while driving, for those times when I want to actually use the time to learn something.

    1. Re:What I want by dildatron · · Score: 3, Interesting

      and could you add AM reception, too? This is also what I want. I want to record some talk shows I like that I can't hear while I am working because of too much RF interference. I would be happy to record it (where i can get good recpetion) then listen to it the next day.

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    2. Re:What I want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the iPod supports this via audible now.

    3. Re:What I want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Archos has just released one and is availavle right now... Even let you record 30 seconds before you press the button.

    4. Re:What I want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of people use VCRs for this. I know it's not as convenient as a little MP3 recorder but it beats a tape recorder since you can program the recording times and put up to 8 hours on a tape. If you want to archive the recordings, you could dump it to MP3 later.

    5. Re:What I want by Fugly · · Score: 2

      What I want is an FM radio with MP3 recorder and programmable recording. So I can record, say, Talk of the Nation on NPR in the morning and listen to it in the afternoon. Why doesn't anybody make this yet??? Tivo for NPR. It would be great for saving stuff to listen to while driving, for those times when I want to actually use the time to learn something.

      Sony makes one. It's a boombox type device with detachable speakers, rips CD's automatically the first time you play them and has a 20 gig drive. Runs about a grand I think...

    6. Re:What I want by Sc00ter · · Score: 5, Informative
      I do this with an FM card in my linux box. I record Car Talk, Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, and a few other shows. Here's the script I use for Car Talk:

      ---

      #! /bin/bash

      #Kill off anybody using /dev/dsp
      /sbin/fuser -k /dev/dsp

      #change to the right freq
      /usr/local/bin/fmio -d v4l -f 89.1 -v 7

      #set correct mixer settings
      /usr/local/bin/smixer -s /root/mixersettings/recordshow.mix

      DATE=`date +%Y-%m-%d`
      /usr/local/bin/mpegrec -b 32 -l 3600 -x "-b 32 --resample 32 -m m" -o /home/travis/radioshows/Car_Talk/Car_Talk_-_$DATE. mp3
      /usr/local/bin/smixer -s /root/mixersettings/default.mix
      chown -R travis.travis /home/travis/radioshows

      ---

      Hope that helps some, works great. You can use a bitrate of 16, but my portable MP3 player won't play it if it's that low for some stupid reason.

    7. Re:What I want by ytsejam-ppc · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what I said this morning. The technology exists, I don't see why this isn't happening already.

    8. Re:What I want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do this with a linux box and a radio tuned to NPR plugged into the line-in slot. You can then use cron and an mp3 encoder to record programs on a fixed schedule. Works great for listening to NPR programs while I'm at the gym where radio reception sucks.

    9. Re:What I want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you can do is to grab the audio stream with trplayer (a command line version of Real Player) and vsound (whose author has taken it off the web but can still be found if you know where to look) and then encode the audio in mp3 or ogg format from the resulting .au or .wav files.

      Most NPR, PRI and Pacifica shows are available this way.

      Is this legal? Yes, it's called spaceshifting.

      Why am I posting as AC? It may be legal but I'm not ready to be sued just yet for DMCA violation.

    10. Re:What I want by Moloch666 · · Score: 1

      Maybe you could try getting a radio tuner card for your computer. I know most TV tuner cards have a radio tuner combo. With the right software I'm sure you could get it to record. Seems easier than to implement a homebrew PVR.

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    11. Re:What I want by Sc00ter · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Tuner cards -NEVER- have AM. Way to much interference from the stuff inside the computer. You're better off getting a normal radio and plugging it into the line in of your audio card (that's what I do for AM stuff)

    12. Re:What I want by FrenZon · · Score: 3, Informative

      What I want is an FM radio with MP3 recorder and programmable recording

      Archos (makers of the Multimedia Jukebox) make pretty much exactly what you are after (not sure about the programmable recording).

      http://www.archos.com/lang=en//products/prw_500326 .html

    13. Re:What I want by mithras+the+prophet · · Score: 5, Informative

      I do this with a combination of streamripper and a crontab. (This only works if you have an always-on connection like a cable modem, of course)

      There are a number of NPR stations that broadcast in streaming mp3:

      I just set a crontab to run streamripper and record from one of those stations, at the time and for the duration of the program I want. Then tell iTunes to dump the file to the iPod, and poof - several hours of interesting listening, ready and waiting!

      All of the stations have program schedules available, or you can just guess for the live programs.

      When I have some time, I'll be gussying this up in a Cocoa interface for any fellow Mac OS X users.

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    14. Re:What I want by Erik+Fish · · Score: 2

      What FM card do you use?

    15. Re:What I want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does it know 30 seconds before you press the button?

    16. Re:What I want by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      It's very advanced.

    17. Re:What I want by CableModemSniper · · Score: 2, Informative

      it doesn't. Its always recording to memory. It has the last thiry seconds and when you press the button after realizing you said something important it stores the sound more permanently. ::sits and waits for the karma to roll in, w00t::

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    18. Re:What I want by AntiPasto · · Score: 1

      This American Life!!!! w000000t! Most of these shows, of course, have some sort of online repository.

    19. Re:What I want by Sc00ter · · Score: 2
      I use a STB TV/FM card, I never use the TV side. Somebody gave me a FM only card and it was crap. Any combo TV/FM card should work.

    20. Re:What I want by moonbender · · Score: 2

      Wow, that'd actually be pretty cool.

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    21. Re:What I want by Salamander · · Score: 2

      I totally agree. My wife got a standalone device for this from eBay, but it came without a manual and we never figured out how to do anything but set the clock. I tried a D-Link USB Radio, but it couldn't pull in anything and the user interface was unusable (custom controls that hung the system). If I could find a card or USB device that actually worked I'd be happy; ideal would be something that I could program via the computer or network but that then ran by itself.

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    22. Re:What I want by Moloch666 · · Score: 1

      Good point about AM, I don't think my TV tuner card can do that, but don't know. I have it collecting dust now. I used to for college dorms so I didn't have to lug around a TV in addition to a computer. About recepection. My card, a Hauppage WinTV Theater, has a coax connector for the an antenna (just a long cord) that came with it. So you could string it where ever.

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    23. Re:What I want by abischof · · Score: 2

      I too would like to be able to listen to All Things Considered, Marketplace, or other NPR shows during my workouts at the gym. In lieu of a device that could record them off the air, are MP3/Ogg versions of those shows available for download anywhere? If that were the case, each morning I could just download (yesterday's) shows, load them into my device, and they'd be ready to take to the gym with me.

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    24. Re:What I want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want one of those 1 Gig keyfob USB drives that I heard so much about last year. Where the hell are they?

      Replace the floppy my ass...

    25. Re:What I want by Dave+Burbank · · Score: 1

      That is pretty sweet. There are a number of radio shows I would listen to if I could be at home for them, be awake for them, or remember when they are on.

      Tossing an fm card in an old box at home and scheduling some cron jobs is on my weekends to-do list. :)

    26. Re:What I want by ryanwright · · Score: 2

      >> Tuner cards -NEVER- have AM.

      Huh? Mine does...

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    27. Re:What I want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are going to listen to NPR whilst working out, why not just add Prarie Home Companion to the list. Pumping Iron with Garrison Keillor! Personally I would worry about drifting off to sleep and waking with a nice barbell bruise on my forehead.

    28. Re:What I want by James+Foster · · Score: 2

      My mobile phone (Nokia 5510; the "sideways" one) has FM radio and can record FM radio into it's own format, which the software it comes with can convert into MP3. It doesn't have programmable recording, though.

      That model (5510) actually flopped in the US, I heard, and living in Australia, we never really even saw much of it until recently, and immediately the price dropped to A$200 (about US$100) for a SIM unlocked phone with a keyboard and MP3 player. I don't like the design, but I thought that was a good deal for the features it has.

    29. Re:What I want by gestalt_boy · · Score: 1

      I recently bought an iRiver iFP-180T mp3 player which does what you're asking, but no timer function. 128M memory, mp3/wma playback, microphone, FM tuner and the abiliity to record off FM (I believe it records at 32kbps).

      So far I really like it, though I think the UI could be a bit better. Around $150.

      And I use it to record NPR.

    30. Re:What I want by ballsanya · · Score: 1

      iriver makes a mp3 player WITH an fm tuner that CAN record off the radio...its the iFP100-64M...and i bow before it, even if it can't play ogg

    31. Re:What I want by Tingler · · Score: 1

      Here you go:

      http://www.npr.org/programs/totn/index.html

      No charge.

    32. Re:What I want by dildatron · · Score: 2

      does it work? it would seem that the inside of a computer case is a horrible place for any radio, especially am. if it does work, what kind is it?

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    33. Re:What I want by satterth · · Score: 1

      Dude, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but you can always plug the output of a radio (lineout/headphones) into your VCR RCA jacks (I'll assume you do have a VCR) and have it record anytime you want. Most VCR's have modes for 2/4/6 hours, so you can record for a while if you don't know exactly what hour the program is on.

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    34. Re:What I want by Lazarus_Bitmap · · Score: 1
      Old Nomad II MG's can do this. You can always find some on Ebay.

      Audible.com plus a compatible player is also an option for much of NPR's content.

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    35. Re:What I want by Moloch666 · · Score: 1

      Again
      My card, a Hauppage WinTV Theater, has a coax connector of the back for the antenna (just a long cord) that came with it. So you could string it where ever. Meaning there isn't an antenna inside the computer.

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  9. Abuse by edwilli · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how much damage that LCD can take before it's trashed. Something that small would go everywhere with me. Anyone have any experence with anything like that?

    1. Re:Abuse by yndrd · · Score: 1

      Would it be less durable than the LCD in a digital watch?

    2. Re:Abuse by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 1

      Would it be less durable than the LCD in a digital watch?

      The ones that I smashed about half a dozen times before I shelled out for a shock-proof model? I hope not.

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    3. Re:Abuse by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you put it in your pocket. It would get mixed up with coins, keys, etc and get the "cement mixer" or "tumble dryer" type of treatment. An object that is securely strapped to your wrist actually has a pretty easy life, comparatively.

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    4. Re:Abuse by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      A piece of transparent tape, replaced as needed, should take care of that.

    5. Re:Abuse by nolife · · Score: 2

      I have only broken one watch LCD screen before and it took a 20 feet drop onto solid steel. Watch guts are normally not mounted to anything and they can 'float' around in the chassis. I had a really nice Casio graphing calc and a cell phone that busted from very short distances to office carpet.. I assume the LCD's themselves are very rugged, the method of placement in a device makes the difference, like if its hard attached or surrounded by plastic with no room for vibration or absorbtion etc, its probably going to break easily

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    6. Re:Abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That only protects against minor scratches, that wont stop it from getting the bejesus beaten out of it.

    7. Re:Abuse by vectra14 · · Score: 1

      i've got an IRiver iMP-350... it has a small remote control with an lcd just like that (in fact is probably the exact same LCD). i walk around with it in my backpack, pocket, crushed under books, you name it - the control works as new

      so i wouldn't be very worried about that...

    8. Re:Abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>I wonder how much damage that LCD can take before it's trashed. Something that small would go everywhere with me. Anyone have any experence with anything like that?

      I do have experience actually... It's called a "Mobile Phone". Kind of like a phone without a cord attached. I carry it everywhere with me (they are really becoming popular in Australia and should reach the US market soon) and it's lasted quite well.

      PS: For what it's worth, my phone (a Nokia 8210) lives in my pocket without a case - just like this gadget would.

    9. Re:Abuse by lfourrier · · Score: 2

      the smaller the device, the smaller the LCD, the less likely it is to break

    10. Re:Abuse by jx100 · · Score: 1

      Not if you put the whole roll...

  10. hopefully.. by demonbug · · Score: 3, Interesting

    this will push down the price of the Muvo. Sorrry, but it only holds 128MB. I think I can pretty well remember what MP3's I put on a 128MB player, so the LCD is pretty pointless (and probably actually shortens battery life). The equalizer might be nice, though.

    1. Re:hopefully.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for making me feel better about the muvo that I just ordered (UPS is delivering it in two days).

    2. Re:hopefully.. by Cy+Guy · · Score: 1

      the LCD is pretty pointless

      Except because of the id3 tags you can also use it to display contact information, password hints, haiku, whatever.

      It might be fairly little added benefit for an mp3, but is does give it other uses like the referenced stopwatch function.

  11. Innogear has some other interesting products too by jukal · · Score: 2

    See for example this car adapter: "Did you know you can use your MP3 Player in your car to enjoy through your car speakers? Play your portable CD players, Mini Disc and MP3 players through any audio cassette player! It is fully compatible with ALL our MP3 Players. This device is fully compatible with all our MP3 CD Players!" - has anyone actually used this or similar product? Does the thing have a dramatic effect on sound quality?

  12. Timer is for Exercisers by __aaahtg7394 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    a timer (Why?).

    Because when you're working out, you often want to know how long you've been going. "OK, good, i did my 5 minutes of hard running, time for a smoke!", etc. Joggers, treadmill junkies, and other people-who-move are a target audience for these things (remember anti-skip CD players? "Perfect for Runners!")

    It'd surprise me if this didn't come with an armband of some sort, either out of the box or as an option.

    1. Re:Timer is for Exercisers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Surpising that the author couldn't understand the reason for a timer. I would hazard the guess that he is a typical Linux Hippie, 50-60 lbs over weight. His primary exercise would be whining about Microsoft. Last time he raised his hands above his head would have been to search for some stray Cheese Doodles on the top shelf.

    2. Re:Timer is for Exercisers by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2

      and a timer (Why?).

      For timing things. No wait, I know. Because. Bwa ha ha ha.

      Seriously, MP3 players are clearly the perfect device for athletic types. I bought mine for jogging and for cycling. I want my next MP3 player to track my heart rate as well as including a timer. Maybe if we could get one to measure my VO2...

      My current one only plays MP3 files. I clearly need to upgrade.

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    3. Re:Timer is for Exercisers by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2

      Why not pick a 5 minute song or remix? Hell, there are 45 min bootlegs of "No Quarter" by Zepplin if you want to do some speed walking...

    4. Re:Timer is for Exercisers by MisterFancypants · · Score: 0
      MOD PARENT UP!!

      You goddamn fat ass hippies better mod the parent post way up!

    5. Re:Timer is for Exercisers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give me a break, nobody puts cheese doodles way up on the top shelf. That's where I keep my canned vegetables.

    6. Re:Timer is for Exercisers by arestivo · · Score: 1

      It'd surprise me if this didn't come with an armband of some sort, either out of the box or as an option.

      I think the included neckstrap can substitute the armband quite nicely:

      Included with the Duex mp302 are: headphone/neckstrap, USB cable, software CD, manual, and one AAA battery.

    7. Re:Timer is for Exercisers by jerkychew · · Score: 2

      It'd surprise me if this didn't come with an armband of some sort, either out of the box or as an option.

      According to this article, it comes with a "neckstrap" of some sort. Dunno how I feel about strapping something to my neck, though...

    8. Re:Timer is for Exercisers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or how about this, with the timer, he can listen to ANY song he wants. Christ, some people say the dumbest things.

    9. Re:Timer is for Exercisers by scotch · · Score: 2
      remember anti-skip CD players? "Perfect for Runners!"

      Yeah, I remember those anti-skip CD players. I have one with the word "Jog" in it's name that has 45 second skip protection, but the fucker still skips like hell, especially when I run hard or on the outer tracks of the CD.

      I've been thinking about getting an MP3 player. I have 3 concerns: 1) does it play OGG (this one I could live without, more of an "in an ideal world" type of thing); 2) Can I use it with linux - this one I need; 3) I want capacity. Those hard drive based ones seem like the most bang for the buck, but I'm concerned about skipping or damage when I run. Can anyone recommed a player based on the 3 things (especially 2 + 3)?

      Maybe the problem is that I just run like a retard.

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    10. Re:Timer is for Exercisers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Maybe the problem is that I just run like a retard."

      I'll second the thought.

    11. Re:Timer is for Exercisers by scotch · · Score: 2

      Wow! Zing! Good one, dude. Props to your mad insult skillz.

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    12. Re:Timer is for Exercisers by telstar · · Score: 2
      "His primary exercise would be whining about Microsoft."
      • One of the funniest lines I've read all year...
    13. Re:Timer is for Exercisers by Derwen · · Score: 2
      One of the funniest lines I've read all year...
      Hey, you should try reading a bit more .... :-P
      Get on down to your local comic store.

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    14. Re:Timer is for Exercisers by Canis+Lupus · · Score: 1

      Need removable media for those really long ass runs.

      http://www.lakecity50.com/, http://www.leadvilletrail100.com/,
      http://www.run 100s.com/HR/.

      With one of these things, I will have listened to the save songs at least a dozen times.

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  13. Re:And LCD Display means... by saskboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    LCD Display means Lopez Can't Dance..... Display.

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  14. another use.... by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

    Another cool use for things like this would be Bugs. You know - the cloak and dagger type.

    I love these devices (usb key-chain storage)

    I think they are fantastic - and cant wait till they get even more features backed into that little package...

  15. Fantastic MP3 Players But No Supporting Hardwar... by voodoopriestess · · Score: 1

    MP3 players are wonderful things but the main thing putting me off is the lack of supporting hardware.

    Before everyone gets upset - I understand that you can use your computer etc. and download music but what happens when someone decides they don't want to wait for their computer to do whatever.

    How about a docking station that you put your CDs into and it compresses the CD (or track if thats what you want) and stores it on the player. Automagically like! This combined with an FM tuner or cassette player would save people having to buy / setup dodgy connections into their computer sound cards... Hell, DAB radio is taking off - why not have a DAB tuner?

    Just a thought.

    Iain

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  16. Finally an answer to the I-mac. by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 1

    The article claims this has been out for a while now, I have to admit I new nothing about it. I don't keep up as much as I would like to on these type of things. After a little google-ing though I've found user testimonials to be quite positve. Anyone else own one have anything to add? Good or Bad.

    1. Re:Finally an answer to the I-mac. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather have an I-Mac, personally. Not quite as portable, but way more power.

  17. one question.... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    if I cant read/write to it like I do my REX-II.... I.E. no drivers needed just place the files in a FAT-16 filesystem..... then it is junk.

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  18. Enough room? by n-baxley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This really doesn't seem like enough room for any kind of serious travel. I don't want to have to load it up with new songs every time I go out, and this won't hold more than what, an hour? I really see these "little" MP3 players going away fast and the IPod like players coming in. I don't want to bring along A CD, I want to bring my whole jukebox!

    1. Re:Enough room? by lamp77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Theres a huge market for this
      I mean, look at how many armband fm radios sell? Those things are crap, but joggers want them.
      with this you can bring your ssh client, private keys, browser, and > 1hour of music to listen to on the bus to work.
      Thats pretty good in my book.

    2. Re:Enough room? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      128MB can store way more than an hour. I can store an hour on my 32MB card (using WMA files @ 64mbps) ... so 128 can fit 4 hours of those files, or 2 hours if you want 128mbps files.

    3. Re:Enough room? by n-baxley · · Score: 2

      But unless you want to listen to the same music everyday, and both to and from work, you'll have to be always changing out the music. For $200 more, (granted not cheap) you can get 100 times the music plus more functionality! That's 100 times the space/function for twice the cost. Seems like a real bargain to me. But to each his own.

    4. Re:Enough room? by AzrealAO · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and about 20x the size.

      These things are all about size, not capacity. You can hook it onto a keyring for chrissakes.

    5. Re:Enough room? by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2

      128MB can store way more than an hour. I can store an hour on my 32MB card (using WMA files @ 64mbps) ... so 128 can fit 4 hours of those files

      Too bad it doesn't support Ogg, because Ogg sounds pretty good (to me, anyway) at even 45kbps, which would last for 6.6 hours.

  19. Re:Fantastic MP3 Players But No Supporting Hardwar by dildatron · · Score: 2

    while your idea is fine, i just think that would be too expensive and most people wouldn't buy it when they can "get by" with using a computer. that's what's holding your idea back.

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  20. Shameless plug! by genka · · Score: 1

    Is LCD on a MP3 Player a big news item?
    Is Slashdot trying a new ad format?

    1. Re:Shameless plug! by DrinkDr.Pepper · · Score: 1

      Has anyone checked thinkgeek's "whats new" section?

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    2. Re:Shameless plug! by rizawbone · · Score: 1
      Is LCD on a MP3 Player a big news item?

      When the mp3 player is about as big as your pinky finger it is.

    3. Re:Shameless plug! by siskbc · · Score: 2

      Yes. They are. As pointed out a few months ago, ./ is now taking for-pay "stories." I wouldn't mind this, except for the fact that they don't mark them as such. I mean, even crappy magazines with no journalistic integrity at all (ok, maxim) at least states what's advertising and not. I think ./ seriously compromises its integrity by trying to camouflage them.

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    4. Re:Shameless plug! by saskboy · · Score: 1

      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/01/145225 6
      Here is /.'s policy.

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    5. Re:Shameless plug! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that was an april fool's joke..

  21. Re:Innogear has some other interesting products to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    these came with almost all "car kits" back when the discman first came out. not a good choice for an adiophile, but not a bad adapter at all. actually sounded better than putting a real tape in.

  22. Re:Innogear has some other interesting products to by arkanes · · Score: 2

    They've had these things for years, you can get em for 10 bucks at radio shack. The sound quality is crap, as can be expected. They'll work with anything you can plug a headphone jack into.

  23. Re:What I want... by saskboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    A discman that plays MP3 CDs, has a SW/FM/AM, LCD TV, decodes OGG, downloads with Wireless Ethernet or IEEE1394, and runs off a Hydrogen Fuel Cell. Until this device is available, I refuse to support the crappy home electronics industry.

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  24. Timer? Must be permanently mounted to that Aeron by chicagothad · · Score: 2, Funny

    This must be intended for that "active-geek" demographic coveted by marketers world wide (what is that....like 10 people?)

    When tap into the "sedintary-geek" market and remove that pesky timer...thats when the big will start comin' in!

  25. Active lifestyles by hrieke · · Score: 2

    I run, sail, ski, and do other things. It would be great to have something like this with more memory (I rather not have my music on a hd when running or skiing- crash disk is no fun), 512 would be fairly good.
    I would love to see one of these things also able to accept Winamp plugins (ogg, adx, etc).

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    1. Re:Active lifestyles by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      add one more thing... an armband holder and make the thing WATERPROOF.

      I know of at least 40 people that would buy one right now if it could happily survive in the pool/jetski.

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    2. Re:Active lifestyles by andymac · · Score: 1


      In the pool? Sheesh, you can't hear anything in the pool anyways, so what's the point? I have a HR monitor that I wear in the pool, so it's possible, but the idea of people swimming or jetskiing with headphones on is so ludicrous, how much more dangerous do you think you could make it? Sorry, as much as I love new gadgets to make my training in the pool, on the bike or on the run more enjoyable, safety still has to be a primary concern. Know how many runners get hit by cars or jumped by persons with evil intentions becuase they were wearing headphones and couldn't hear what was happening around them? I used to run with music (discman). Man, that stopped in a hurry when some a**hole snuck up on me and tried to haul me into the bushes.
      </rant>

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    3. Re:Active lifestyles by jonnythan · · Score: 2

      Listening to music while skiing?

      You're the asshole going 10mph and cutting back and forth across the entire slope who doesn't hear me say "on your left!" and slams into me while I'm doing 45.

    4. Re:Active lifestyles by hrieke · · Score: 2

      I don't know. Do you ski in the Alps often? How about the Andes? Rockies for sure?
      You should ski like I do - defensively. Be ready for anything and everything, including those 8 year old kamakazi kids...

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    5. Re:Active lifestyles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean "who you slam into." Yield downhill, asshole, and ski under control.

  26. stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ok, let me get this straight....
    We are we supposed to be impressed by (yet another) MP3 player that...

    1: has very low storage capacity.
    2: has a crummy design (did you see the buttons!?)
    3: has an easy to lose end cap.

    Who is buying these pieces of crap?!?!

  27. Never... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 4, Funny
    Looks like a tampon applicator.

    1. Re:Never... by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 4, Funny

      thats what i thought too - and with jennifer lopez' name on it.

    2. Re:Never... by mbyte · · Score: 2

      Thats why i did misread it as durex :P

  28. Real Star Trek Stuff by serutan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Holy crap, dude! This is amazing. The Muvo looks like that thing Spock used to have sticking out of his ear when he was at his science station on the bridge. Was he really working, or just listening to his Jimmy Eat World tracks?

    1. Re:Real Star Trek Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think they had Jimmy Eat World in the '70s.

    2. Re:Real Star Trek Stuff by KingKaneOfNod · · Score: 1

      A Vulcan listening to emo? I thought he'd be more into straight-edge hardcore.

  29. No ogg == not interested. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See the subject line...

  30. Better software by addaon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This could be a great device with some clever client-side software. I'm assuming that it currently appears to the host computer as a standard usb mass storage device... Great device, as an mp3 player. But imagine how much flexibility you would get if it appeared to the host as a usb hub, to which is connected a usb mass storage device, a usb audio input device (standard microphone driver), and a usb->serial port bridge to which a standard serial lcd is connected. All the hardware is there, it's just a matter of appearances... with these features, it would be just as great (indeed, identical) as an mp3 player, but you could also use it as a portable microphone (the microphones on both my ibook and picturebook suck), and you could use it as an additional display device when plugged in. I just can't see any downside (besides development time) to allowing this.

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    1. Re:Better software by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      (the microphones on both my ibook and picturebook suck),

      I guarentee to you that the microphone on this device also does "suck". what would have been better is a Mic in jack...

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  31. Re:Innogear has some other interesting products to by jukal · · Score: 2
    They've had these things for years, you can get em for 10 bucks at radio shack. The sound quality is crap, as can be expected. They'll work with anything you can plug a headphone jack into.

    Ohh, they are those things. Somehow that "old" invention put together with new stuff got me misleaded. Thanks :)

  32. ~~C========3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SUXOR MY DIXOR...

  33. Car cassette adapter by mentin · · Score: 2
    There are lots of similar product on the market. My friend used one. The quality was quite acceptable for noisy Acura Integra. I.e. there was probably some noise introduced by adapter, but it was negligeable compared to wind and tire noise.

    P.S. Of course the device is fully compatible with any player with standard output, not just THEIR MP3 CD players.

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    1. Re:Car cassette adapter by jukal · · Score: 2
      There are lots of similar product on the market.

      Yeah, I was stupid enough to be misleaded to think this was something fancy and new. :)

    2. Re:Car cassette adapter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I was stupid enough to be misleaded to think this was something fancy and new. :)


      Looks like someone misled you into thinking misleaded is a word, too. ;)

    3. Re:Car cassette adapter by swv3752 · · Score: 2

      Cheap ones are a bit noisy, good ones are quite nice. When they break, they suck.

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  34. I know her... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey I've chatted with that girl on the InnoGear site. Met her on Match.com, I wonder if she knows that Microsoft switcher...

  35. Love that title by McFly69 · · Score: 2

    USB Key-Sized MP3 Player With LCD Display

    Keypsized player? Gee that is smart. So it makes it so much easier now to lose it. When I want a player (walkman, mp3, etc), I want something big enough to fit in my hand and easly change the songs without looking at the buttons. Something made to fit in your had and where your finger end, should have the buttons.


    And don't even get me going with the title. Does it come with two displays? I can brag to my friend then. "Hey guys, I got my new MP3 Liquid Crystal Display display. In the words of Dennis Leary what the fuck, get an education.


    Ok I feel better now.

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    1. Re:Love that title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I want something big enough to fit in my hand and easly change the songs without looking at the buttons."

      Why stop there when you can just carry your entire computer and all of your music?

      Actually, this thing is still a little bigger than your average key, and how often do you lose your keys anyway? But if you are still worried about losing it, why not just use it as a keychain?

    2. Re:Love that title by brunes69 · · Score: 2

      Dunno about this one, but the MUVO actually comes ON a keychain. Its made ot be carried with your keys. If you're losing your keys so much, you're gonna have bigger problems than worrying about chaging songs with your thumb. And why are your thumbs so big anyways? I know my thumb is smaller than the heads of my keys..

    3. Re:Love that title by McFly69 · · Score: 2

      I lose my car keys once about every 2 months. Ended up jsut keepign the automatic door opener attached to my wallet (keeps inside). House keys I gave up, just got a key pad. Wallet I lost so many times, I just ended up buying a harley wallet with a chain (at age 16, I am in my 20's now) and never lost it since then. My fingers? they are big.. I am 6 foot 6.. you figure it out.. if not, I can always show my size 15 size up your behind :)

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    4. Re:Love that title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, I figured it out all right. You're a dumb fuck.

      Good thing your dick is attached.

      Can't wait to hear how you drove off with your kid on top of the car.

  36. How long to transfer 30 mp3s to it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone know the transfer rates to devices like this?
    Can you fill a 128 meg device in 10 seconds?

  37. Re:Innogear has some other interesting products to by that_guy · · Score: 1

    I used to use one of these for my car, to adapt my portable cd player to the cassette deck. I didn't notice much sound quality difference, it sounded a lot better than a standard tape would, in any case.

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  38. Re:Fantastic MP3 Players But No Supporting Hardwar by voodoopriestess · · Score: 1

    Ok, what about the option to buy a docking station as seperates - like a HiFi...

    Iain

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  39. it has to be said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) does it work with linux?
    2) can you run linux on it?
    3) can you imagine a cluster of these!
    4) its a SlashAd(TM)
    5) ????
    6) Profit!

    i was honestly thinking of writing just #1, but well, the rest just seem to be missing from the posts

  40. Nice display, but how does it sound? by bartman1847 · · Score: 4, Informative
    The muvo might not have a display, but it has a great signal to noise ratio of >90dB. Which is far better then any on board soundcard, and bargin bin sound cards... I think that's even better then the older sound blaster cards...

    If you want to test your sound card you can get this program to see how your sound card stacks up to the muvo. muvo specs here You'll need to run a cable from your speaker out to your stereo input on your soundcard...

    But if your headphones suck, it really won't matter will it :D

    1. Re:Nice display, but how does it sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Nomad has a SNR ratio of 98dB. Experimentally it is 89dB. Can anyone give us the SNR for the iPod while we're at it?

    2. Re:Nice display, but how does it sound? by Textbook+Error · · Score: 0

      The Nomad has a SNR [slashdot.org] ratio of 98dB. Experimentally it is 89dB [extremetech.com]. Can anyone give us the SNR for the iPod while we're at it?

      The iPod has a SNR of 104dB.

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  41. Re:Innogear has some other interesting products to by jukal · · Score: 2

    Feel free to mod my previous post down - it seems the "interesting product" I referred to is just the dull old cassette adapter trick. Sorry :)

  42. You people have too much money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See the "Flipster"...

    Now you too can watch 11 minutes of highly compressed video on a tiny 160x234 screen....starting at $399.

  43. MPIO DMK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just an mpio dmk repackaged.
    The player has been around for around a year.
    Irivers 180T is much better than this.

  44. Holy Shit!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The future is here, folks

  45. Re:What I want... by Pyrosz · · Score: 2

    Gaaahh! How could you forget DVD, cell phone and digital camera! Oh and a GPS! ;)

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  46. Ogg Vorbis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It doesn't support Vorbis.. so it won't be useful for me.

  47. Re:Innogear has some other interesting products to by AGTiny · · Score: 1

    I wish these stupid car adapters would play on BOTH SIDES! My car's tape deck is screwed up and only plays the B side when the weather is cold but all tape adapters only play on the A side! Anyone know of a better adapter that does this?

  48. batteries not included? by L-Wave · · Score: 2

    Does anyone know what type of batteries do these things take? Are they the small watch-battery kind? Is it a recharable Li-Ion battery? An interesting concept would be for it to be able to recharge while plugged into a USB socket...

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    1. Re:batteries not included? by L-Wave · · Score: 1

      Okay...AAA, sorry I got over-zealous when I saw it and want one...didn't read the whole post/article....although I am interested to see if someone could make one which recharges off the usb port (while d/ling mp3's at the same time....)

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  49. Headphones by Puk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My problem is having too much stuff to carry. I'm not a fan of having 4 things in my pockets and 4 more strapped to my belt, so I don't do it. This product is great, because it's small (I recently replaced my phone with a Treo, since I had stopped carrying my beloved Visor due to space constraints).

    My problem is headphones. Even earbuds are fairly large, and easily broken in your pocket. Carrying my music with me everywhere is of no use if I can't listen to it. Are there any good solutions for carrying around headphones in a safe but non-huge way?

    Similarly, there needs to be a stereo hands-free kit for my phone (I much prefer hands free) with a 1/8 jack which doubles as headphones for this thing (yes, stereo is useless for the cell). Does such a thing exist?

    I guess the truth is I'm just another person waiting for convergence, when I can have my phone, mp3/ogg player, networked PDA, digital wallet, etc. all embedded in one false tooth and hooked wirelessly to the other relevant parts of my head. I guess the problems there start happening when people see me talking to myself in the street, or I accidentally answer the phone by piping Eminem into it at high volume.

    Thus endeth the rambling.

    -Puk

    1. Re:Headphones by Triv · · Score: 2

      My problem is headphones. Even earbuds are fairly large, and easily broken in your pocket. Carrying my music with me everywhere is of no use if I can't listen to it. Are there any good solutions for carrying around headphones in a safe but non-huge way?

      Dude, you're not gonna get much smaller than earbuds. The easiest way to carry 'em is either a. have a small bag for the player that you can put the 'phones in the bottom of (my iPod came with one of these, it's perfect) or just wrap the damn things around the player. Ok, they might break every two months or so, but you can get perfectly decent 'buds for ten bucks. Worth it for the portability.

      I don't even know why I bothered replying. Eminem? Jeez, you spend the money for an MP3 player the least you could do with it is listen to some good music. ;)

      Triv

    2. Re:Headphones by Puk · · Score: 2

      Eminem -- I chose something that I figured a lot of people would find in offensive to have blasting into their phone. :) I'll remain silent about my own opinions, which are pretty eclectic at best.

      Yeah, I've done the earbud thing before, but I break my buds a lot faster than 1 per 2 months. I think I just have a tendency to break things in my pockets. Maybe someone could design an earbud case roughly the size of the player (have them facing each other embedded in plastic). The wires aren't usually in danger in my case.

      -Puk

    3. Re:Headphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, fuck you elitist slashdot assholes.

      Yea, you. You're an individual, just like everyone else on this board. Christ almighty.

    4. Re:Headphones by Wiwi+Jumbo · · Score: 2

      Speaking of headphones, where the hell do they plug in on this thing?

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    5. Re:Headphones by TheAwfulTruth · · Score: 2

      Sony used to have a lightweight pair of folding headphones that did this. They were made to be carried around in a pocket. Don't know if they still sell them.

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    6. Re:Headphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>Similarly, there needs to be a stereo hands-free kit for my phone (I much prefer hands free) with a 1/8 jack which doubles as headphones for this thing (yes, stereo is useless for the cell). Does such a thing exist?

      Nokia make such a handsfree kit for some of their phones here in Aus. The main reason is that the phone has a built in stereo fm radio. Lot's of people listen to the radio on the train.

  50. Why a timer? by daves · · Score: 2, Funny

    Same reason my blender has a clock.

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  51. Recharge? by photon317 · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Nice device, but would it have been all that hard for them to replace the AAA battery with a rechargeable one and let it recharge from the +5V on the USB connector?

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    1. Re:Recharge? by bartman1847 · · Score: 1

      That would add to the size(it's 1.5v, so it would need to step down the voltage), and to the cost... I think this design is fine, just keep a few rechargeable AAAs on you...

    2. Re:Recharge? by jerkychew · · Score: 2

      Only the main USB ports give out 5v. A USB hub decreases this significantly (dunno how much of the top of my head). It's probably easier to avoid all the support calls from hub users just by sticking a AAA battery into it.

    3. Re:Recharge? by photon317 · · Score: 2


      voltage regulators are very small ICs, I'm sure it could be fitted.

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    4. Re:Recharge? by photon317 · · Score: 3, Interesting


      I think you have volts and amps backwards there. All USB ports supply +5V, the only that changes from port to port depending on the controller/hub/etc is the available amperage. Considering that it's a AAA battery we're talking about charging, I'm sure even the lowliest USB amperage would be sufficient. Right now I have my Motorola i1000plus (Nextel walkie-talkie cellphone) charging from a ubs hub port, using a custom cable I spliced up that puts the USB's +5V signal into the bottom of the phone, it powers and charges my battery just fine. [BTW if you like that idea and don't want to make one yourself, they sell something similar on ThinkGeek]

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    5. Re:Recharge? by rreay · · Score: 1

      Self powered hubs, those that are plugged into the wall or on the back of a machine give you 5v at up to 500 mA. 2.5 Watts.

      Bus powered hubs, those that get their power from USB provide 5v at 100 mA. For a grand total of 1 Watt.

      It could take quite a bit of time to recharge at that rate.

      -rr

    6. Re:Recharge? by Stultsinator · · Score: 2

      The USB connector is on the memory portion of the device. The memory portion of the device plugs into the battery portion via the now vacant USB connector. So, the USB connector is not available when the device is attached to the battery. I think they do use the +5V USB, only it's used to access the memory (why it's plugged into the battery.)

      You're right though, rechargability would've been cool.

    7. Re:Recharge? by theLOUDroom · · Score: 2, Informative

      Self powered hubs, those that are plugged into the wall or on the back of a machine give you 5v at up to 500 mA. 2.5 Watts. Bus powered hubs, those that get their power from USB provide 5v at 100 mA. For a grand total of 1 Watt. It could take quite a bit of time to recharge at that rate.
      A NiMH AAA rechargeable batt. is about 600 mAh. It would only take a little more than and hour to recharge, and around 6 through a non-powered hub.

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    8. Re:Recharge? by evocate · · Score: 2

      I hate it when my Electronic Thing with the custom battery is dying and I can't just swap in another fully recharged battery, or a plain convenient store AAA if the charger isn't handy. I think I like this design better.

    9. Re:Recharge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are into making your own cables, the joystick port has plenty of power (amps) to spare.

      All the thing needs to do is hold even when it's pluged into the computer.. or at least slow down the battery drain. It's nuts that these devices don't take better advantage of all the 'free' power sitting around your desk, when you interconect to sync the palm pilot or whatever.

      Assuming this thing uses a voltage doubling circuit to get up to 3v, would a 1.2 NiCd AAA rechargeable not cut it??

    10. Re:Recharge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because rechargable batteries have a finite life? The Psion Revo has an internal battery, and after a year or 2 its dead. Using replaceable batteries makes a lot more sense. Although recharging those batteries from the USB port is the best solution.

  52. A more durable alternative by corren · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The MPIO-DMK is a better alternative for people wanting someone small and durable. While I agree having the built in USB port is nice, it also means that you have a removeable piece: the cover. And I guarantee over time and use, you're going to lose, break, bend, or damage the cover to the point of worthlessness, and once you don't have a cover, your USB port is going to get trashed.

    Check out the MPIO-DMK

  53. Re:LCD Display???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ATM Machine... NIC Card... whatever.

  54. DRM by Cheese+Cracker · · Score: 2

    Creative is dancing to MS' jingle, so most likely it's loaded with DRM software. Perhaps it will be
    featured together with their other products on the hall of shame.

  55. jukebox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about a USB jukebox at the ski resorts?

    25 cents a downloaded song?

    Nope, bad idea, too many stoned boarders bumming quarters from everyone.

  56. Re:What I want... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah! DVD+/RW burner, stupid me. Cell phone and phonic capture were implied I thought.... ;-)

  57. Re:Timer? Must be permanently mounted to that Aero by sprior · · Score: 1

    Sedentary geeks can use the timer to tell when their ramen noodles lunch is done boiling.

  58. Minidisc! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why wouldn't someone get a minidisc device instead? I can get a portable minidisc recorder that is barely bigger than the disk itslef, lasts over 50 hours on battery, and uses CD-quality disks that only cost $1 or $2 each. The price is less than this keychain device!

    With minidisc you can record at double-capacity and get 160 minutes on a disk and it still sounds perfect. If you don't mind a bit of sound degradation you can jam 320 minutes per disk.

  59. recording quality? by r5t8i6y3 · · Score: 1

    anyone have the specs on the recording capability?

    1. Re:recording quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think there's a 3 in there somewhere..

  60. Small as a pack of gum? by nicedream · · Score: 1

    If this picture is accurate, I'm not sure it competes with the muvo. Look at the size of it!

    1. Re:Small as a pack of gum? by swv3752 · · Score: 2

      That notebook looks like a Vaio Picturebook or one of those little Toshibas. Anyways, it looks like it is about 5-6 keyboard keys long and only a little wider than a usb port. About the same size as the Muvo.

      Anybody want to buy a Rio600? :)

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  61. Device Integrated USB? by ballyhoo_2 · · Score: 1

    Kind of cool, but what if you don't have 1)A Desktop USB hub or 2)Front USB ports? Seems kind of inconvenient.

    1. Re:Device Integrated USB? by TwoStep · · Score: 2

      Just pick up a USB extension cable, and leave it plugged in to the back of your machine. You also could get a USB hub and put it on your desktop.

      Twostep

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    2. Re:Device Integrated USB? by palmpunk · · Score: 1

      You could always leave the included USB cable lying on the desk or next to your computer already plugged in.

  62. damn right..... by nebenfun · · Score: 1

    I was going to say the same thing...
    But I didn't want to be modded down by the millions of female slashdot readers.
    duex is way too close to durex.

    there needs to be a warning on the player:
    "This device is not meant for internal use."

    nbfn

    1. Re:damn right..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I didn't want to be modded down by the millions of female slashdot readers.

      ???

  63. Just a thought .. by AftanGustur · · Score: 2

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of those..
    in your pocket !

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  64. Simple mod by Gerry+Gleason · · Score: 2
    How hard can it be to make the tail come out the other side and put it in upside down?

    OTOH, the feature I need is FM Out, so it can work with the marine Radio/CD player in the boat. Radio Shack has these as a separate device, which is Ok, but ideal would be an integrated very low power FM transmitter.

    1. Re:Simple mod by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 2

      How hard can it be to make the tail come out the other side and put it in upside down?
      I have a few that do this -- I'll have to double-check to see if it will play on the B side.
      AGTiny -- drop me a line if you want one. $10 + shipping seem fair? If not, make an offer.
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  65. Why I bought a Memory based Player??? by Dante333 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cause its smaller, cheaper, has a better battery life, holds what I need, and has NO MOVING PARTS. Contrary to all the Baywatch episodes I've watched, having stuff bounce around in not always a good thing.

  66. Re:Fantastic MP3 Players But No Supporting Hardwar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about an option for you to shut the fuck up!

  67. Re:Innogear has some other interesting products to by docbrown42 · · Score: 2

    Well, you could try to find an adapter that lets you change the side the wire comes out on, so you can flip over the tape. I used to have one like this, back before I got a cd player for my car.

    You might also look at the fm broadcast type adapters (like this), although in my experience (about 5 years ago), they don't work very well. Maybe they've improved since then.

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  68. Mp3 for exercising. by phorm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    remember anti-skip CD players? "Perfect for Runners!")
    The newer ones with longer antiskip anyhow. My older player has Anti-Skip, it still chirps and clips when I'm blading.

    Memory-based players are nice because they don't skip and also have no (powered) moving parts to break or drain battery.

    The timer is also useful for track-times, to see if you can get around a little faster next time (i.e. if your fitness is "improving"). I prefer to set my pace to a particular song though, fast upbeat music for harder work, and shorter songs for trying to make a sprint

  69. Re:Innogear has some other interesting products to by DrinkDr.Pepper · · Score: 1

    madam im adam

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  70. Please mommy, I want it by Tim+Doran · · Score: 2

    I remember when my NomadII MG was the cat's ass... *sigh

  71. great little device by ceranta · · Score: 1

    For use as a tiny, portable MP3 player and recorder it's excellent. It's cheap, lightweight and low power - what more could you ask for with those requirements.

    Stop bashing it because it doesn't support OGG, or FM radio, or rechargeable internal battery. It's not what it's meant for.

    I own an iPod and it's great for what I wanted - a large storage portable mp3 player, rechargeable, fast uploads.

    There will be/are three classes of portable music players - CD style, mini hard disk, and embedded memory/memory stick.

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  72. I have a Muvo - I don't work for the company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had mine for a month or so... ecost.com was the cheapest price. It is a very good thing - I have music and radio programs on it (check out http://www.theshadowfan.com for copies of the old radio show - perfect for a car ride).
    Sound quality is excellent - and the cassette adapter works fine in my car.
    It also is usable as a normal thumb drive.
    Since newer BIOSes allow USB boot, you could set it up as a rescue disk (same as any other thumb drive - but since you can listen to MP3s you will probably have this one with you.
    Get the 128 model, you will use it.

  73. Hmmm! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else see the picture and the name and read "Durex"?

  74. thank you by serutan · · Score: 2

    That was helpful info. I don't have an fm card but I do have a constant connection, and will be trying this tonight.

  75. Linux Support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Website says it has full support for Windows.
    What about Linux?-

  76. Bluetooth Ailments? by 4of12 · · Score: 2

    So what is the deal with Bluetooth, anyway?

    Rumour and innuendo suggests it's problems might be:

    • hardware's too expensive
    • standard is too complicated (but more secure)
    • standard came too late
    is any of this true?
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    1. Re:Bluetooth Ailments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      D. nobody cares for another wireless standard.

    2. Re:Bluetooth Ailments? by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2

      From my understanding, it's that there are many different non-interoperable ways to implement the bluetooth standard. Nokia's bluetooth car kit is not guaranteed to work with Ericsson's bluetooth phone. Each vendor had certain features that they wanted, products they were already working on, so instead of making all the features fit one architecture, they basically made many different standards, and included them all in the spec. The standard isn't standard.

      If this is actually the problem, hopefully we'll eventually get someone willing to stick their neck out and commit to a certain type of bluetooth, and everyone will gradually conform to them. Or someone will hack together a way to be interoperable with all BT devices, no matter how odd their configuration is. It's just gonna take even more time now.

      This is just hearsay and rumor, though. I'd love to hear from someone that knows what they're talking about.

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    3. Re:Bluetooth Ailments? by MooseGuy529 · · Score: 1

      I think part of it is that Bluetooth simply allows devices to exchange data and files. However, standards for particular devices (like USB has a disk-drive protocol and Firewire has a DV protocol) such as cell phones have not been created.

      If they ever do, you could have one device with a nice juicy screen, headphones, LED alerts, ringer, etc... that can arbitrate all your sensory input for you ;D so you can surf the web and listen to MP3's, and this one device will control your others. It would have a menu screen that lists the devices you have, and you can select them to control them. A split-screen mode would allow you to split the screen (duh) between a cell phone browser and mp3 player controls, or a TV guide app on the PDA part and a universal remote.

      Then you would have an alerts screen, and each device could register alerts. There would be another step between an event and an action--you would define actions as alerts and then link them to events, so you can program an email on your PDA and a voicemail on your cell phone to have the same sound. Modes, programmable with days of the week and times (also manually) will let you tell everything to pipe down while you're at work, but turn back up outside on the way home; an option in the Date Book of the PDA part would have a "Set my alert mode to:" check/list box.

      Then, an Audio setting would allow you to change the order of preference in which your devices' audio can be heard. This is like what was said, that your MP3 player would pause (please not just mute, that's dumb!) when your phone rang, and turn back on when you're done. Web pages with audio (gag yuck pukey) would have an even lower preference so they don't interrupt your good music.

      This could probably be put into a Treo or maybe another Palm OS device, but the point of this would be to drop the hardware problems with convergence by allowing you to fling your cell phone, PDA, MP3 player, and other toys in your backpack while using one, not-too-powerful but well-designed box to control everything.

      I know this has gone a little off-topic, but it's related to Bluetooth because you need wireless networking to do it.

      See ya,

      Tom

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    4. Re:Bluetooth Ailments? by AnnaBlack · · Score: 1
      Bluetooth works fine, but it's being mostly used in Europe. The reasons for its non-appearance in the USA are political and commercial and sound to me like the same reasons that US mobile telephony is so far behind the rest of the world.

      Take a look at this article in The Register to see why Americans have this misunderstanding that it's failing when in fact it's a very clever and successful technology.

      Anna

  77. Kyocera 7135 by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Informative

    MP3 player + PalmOS PDA + phone.

    Coming soon - Rumor has it that "soon" could be Nov. 15. A few people have gotten their hands on beta units and it's schweet.

    http://www.kyocera.com/

    If you're worried about the phone/PDA integration - I have the 7135's predecessor, the 6035. It rocks. The integration is wonderfully done.

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    1. Re:Kyocera 7135 by maudite615 · · Score: 1

      Add a decent digital camera to the equation and that would be sweeter.

    2. Re:Kyocera 7135 by epukinsk · · Score: 2

      It's 1.2 inches thick, and 16 megs of ram, which means:

      1) Can't keep it in my pocket
      2) Can't really use it for MP3s.

    3. Re:Kyocera 7135 by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

      Two things:

      1) Belt clip. Putting your phone in your pocket means you can't view caller ID without digging in your pocket to take it out. Anyway, I had no problem fitting the (much larger) 6035 in my pocket before my case/belt clip comboe came in. That said, it's much more convenient when belt-clipped, since I can just look down at my waist to see Caller ID info when the phone rings.

      2) Ever heard of expansion memory? SD cards come in sizes up to 256M (Maybe even 512 by now...), and the 7135 has an SD slot in case you missed it the first time around. Definately better than the non-expandable 128M in this device.

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  78. Re:It's the perfect mp3 player for Republicans! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2
    Just kidding. Republicans are super cool and smart.

    Hell, I mixed up those sentences. I can't do anything right.

  79. What I don't like about the Muvo. by witchman · · Score: 1

    What I don't like about the Muvo is that they have
    the control features integrated into the storage device. The problem with this is that it makes it
    difficult to upgrade to a larger storage device. WTF?!

  80. 12 Hour battery life is unbelievable.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would guess the 12 hour battery life depends on the sound volume being at the lowest setting. Realistically it'll last 3-4 hours with normal use. I have a RCA Kazoo mp3 player which lasts about 5 hours with 2 AAA batteries.

  81. Can I use it from linux? by szo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Does anyone knows? Does it look like as a usd-hdd from the os's point of view?

    thx

    Szo

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    1. Re:Can I use it from linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess is yes. It says it is "fully compatible with Windows 98 SE, Windows ME, Windows 2000 and Windows XP" which sounds just like the 128 meg USB flash drive I recently purchased. That device looks just like a USB hard drive and the 2.4 kernel can see it and mount it without a problem. This thing looks like it is a simple extension to that concept.

  82. Re:Why a timer? (OT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your BLENDER has a timer? What kind of blender do you have?

  83. Iriver IFP-180 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iriver IFP-180 is a similar device.
    With 128MB of fixed flash memory.

    http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2002/iriver.h tm l
    http://gear.ign.com/articles/373/373575p1.html

  84. They are already available online by WotanKhan · · Score: 1
    I hardly keep any songs on my MP3 player anymore, I prefer radio shows. NPR, Car Talk, The Motley Fool, Fresh Air, This American Life>, To the Point, and my favorite, Joe Frank are all available as Realaudio Streams.

    I use Total Recorder to capture the audio, which is the only method I've found. Unfortunately, quality is lost in the conversion, and its one of the few programs that keeps me booting windows. Here's hoping someone uses the recently release realaudio source to come up with a better Linux solution.

    All these shows take up a lot of space though. The Bantam BA350 holds 128mb + a 128mb flash card. Recharges from the USB port and works well. My favorite MP3 player to date, though it has a windows only interface.

  85. Not effective for ethnic cleansing tho.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This thing can't help republicans kill mexican undocumented immigrants, so the republicans have no use for it.

  86. Hooray! by hbmartin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now I can have an expensive player that has too-small-to-push-with-out-searching-for-them buttons and memory to hold all of 3 medium quality CDs worth of music. Jeez, get an iPod.

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    1. Re:Hooray! by rizawbone · · Score: 1
      Now I can have an expensive player that has too-small-to-push-with-out-searching-for-them buttons and memory to hold all of 3 medium quality CDs worth of music. Jeez, get an iPod

      Yeah, nothing like doing aerobics/punch training/skating laps with a big ipod clipped on to your waistband. Leave it to nerds to have no clue about the dynamics of large objects clipped on to you during heavy, involved exercise.

      duh.

    2. Re:Hooray! by hbmartin · · Score: 1

      You do aerobics/punch training/skating laps? Ewwww.

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    3. Re:Hooray! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do your mom.

    4. Re:Hooray! by Some+Dumbass... · · Score: 2

      You do aerobics/punch training/skating laps? Ewwww.

      All at once, no less. _And_ he wears headphones while he's doing it. He's the most dangerous thing on ice since Tanya Harding.

  87. USB Key-Sized MP3 Player? by hyoo · · Score: 2

    God damn.. how big are your keys?

    1. Re:USB Key-Sized MP3 Player? by hether · · Score: 2

      Not the size a key (like a car key), the size of a USB key.

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    2. Re:USB Key-Sized MP3 Player? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a USB key is called that cause its key sized.. fucktard

  88. Very cool, but......... by Slide100 · · Score: 1

    I love it just for the coolness factor, but I don't see a tether on that cap that covers the USB connector.

    I wonder how many nanoseconds it would take to lose it?

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  89. nope. by timothy · · Score: 1

    siskbc wrote: "As pointed out a few months ago, ./ is now taking for-pay "stories." I wouldn't mind this, except for the fact that they don't mark them as such. I mean, even crappy magazines with no journalistic integrity at all (ok, maxim) at least states what's advertising and not. I think ./ seriously compromises its integrity by trying to camouflage them."

    siskbc: Not sure where you get this idea, but it's not true.

    I posted this story because I thought it was a neat piece of technology. I'd never heard of it before I read / approved the submission, and am unlikely to see one in person in the near future. Kickbacks? Paid stories? Ha! Slashdot stories are posted by real people, not X-files conspirators (or even bribed weasels ... I'd be happy to have one of these to review, in fact, or even to keep, but no manufacturer yet has figured out how to bribe me :))

    Thanks,

    timothy

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    1. Re:nope. by shepd · · Score: 1

      >Paid stories?

      Maybe he got that (mistaken) idea from this?

      Related Links
      Ad: PriceCompare

      Just a thought...

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  90. nah... It looks like... a condom in wrapper... by guck · · Score: 1
    ...seriously

    Doesn't it even say "Durex" on it?

  91. Re:Innogear has some other interesting products to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those tape adapters are terrible, I used to use one with my minidisc player. I always ended up screwing with the volumes on both to minimize his while also minimizing bass distortion (which is rather extreme). Sometimes you can even hear some sort of repeating clicking which gets obnoxious fast once you've noticed it.

  92. No moving parts = bigger battery life by Hecatonchires · · Score: 1

    People buy these players because they are small and light. A laptop HD still sucks up power, mainly due to the small, moving head.

    A solid state mp3 player may not have as much capacity, but its tiny and as you can see from the advertispage - 12hrs off a AAA battery.

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  93. whoops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I meant to say minimize hiss.

  94. yes, it works with Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
    cd /mnt

    viola!

    1. Re:yes, it works with Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee, on Windows I just plug it in and it's there. Unplug and it's gone. What's all this rocks and sticks "mount" shit about? Sometimes I think the clock really did wrap around to 1900 on UNIX.

  95. 12 hours of continuous playback? by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Both the Muvo and mp302 run on one AAA, giving 12 hours of continuous playback."

    "Innogear has released the 128MB Duex mp302"

    I don't get it. Sure you get 12 hours of playback, but even at the mediocre MP3 quality of 128kbps, audio is a megabyte a minute. So at 128MB, you just get to hear the same 2 albums over and over again for 12 hours, and if you want to listen to other albums, you have to upload them. The price for these memory units/sticks/cards/whatever-a particular-device-uses is just inexorably stupid to settle for as a consumer. I couldn't be happier with my $119.00 CD-Based MP3 Player . It has never skipped on me (it loads 8 minutes of track [longer than 99% of tracks] straight to memory, then the disc stops spinning.) and with it , I get over ten hours of 128kbps music per disc and carry as many discs as I want, and because the disc only spins to read, I get 10-12 hours of listening time per battery set, and the unit I have has a built-in recharger.

    Until these trinkets come with 512MB of memory, there's no way they can compete with my 25 cent 700MB storage units for the same quality experience. Sure, if you dont want to stick a CD-player in your pocket to jog (which I do with no problems), then the little guys are fine. But if you're just gonna use it to jog, get an earbud radio for $25 bucks.

    The only people who buy these trinket MP3 players seem to me to be the people who get them as some sort of status symbol. I can really see no other good popular reasons.

    1. Re:12 hours of continuous playback? by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      It is the size, stupid. Can you carry a cd around? The HDD devic are better in this regard, but how long are they going to last as you carry them around the gym? Or when you mow the yard? Or shovel the driveway?

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    2. Re:12 hours of continuous playback? by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 1

      "It is the size, stupid. Can you carry a cd around?"

      Wow, you got modded up for asking a question I very blatantly answered. Congratulations.

      The answer you should have read was (italics to emphasize specifically what you missed):

      "Sure, if you dont want to stick a CD-player in your pocket to jog (which I do with no problems), then the little guys are fine. "

      I also said in this quote that it was for all intents and purposes a solid-state device:

      "It has never skipped on me (it loads 8 minutes of track [longer than 99% of tracks] straight to memory, then the disc stops spinning.)"

      But again, good job on the karma whoring. :-P

    3. Re:12 hours of continuous playback? by Effugas · · Score: 2

      Jogging was my problem. You already can't stick a CD player in your pocket, but the combination of no-carry and lots and lots of jogging induced skipping (I've had three MP3 CD players, ending with the RioVolt) cut off my mp3 adventures pretty quick.

      The real problem with portable media is you lose your custom mixes -- that, and they take FOREVER to write to, compared to a CD. I'm just going to bite the bullet and get an iPod. They're Just That Good.

      --Dan

    4. Re:12 hours of continuous playback? by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      Actually I posted with +1 bonus. Thanks for getting me modded down.

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    5. Re:12 hours of continuous playback? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got plus-one, and you haven't read this?

      Hmm.

    6. Re:12 hours of continuous playback? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can pretty much guarantee that if you call someone a "stupid", you are going to get moderated down. You're new at this, aren't you? It wasn't his fault that you abused your +1. He was rightfully defending his position. Grow up and take some responsibility.

  96. Re:What I want... by pediddle · · Score: 1

    Why not just make it a SuperDrive, and get CDRW too?

    And then let's add a processor, keyboard, and a couple of USB ports, and.... oh wait, they already have something that can do all that. These newfangled things called laptops :)

  97. Comparision by X-os · · Score: 1

    Creative did a little advertising campaign where they went around from college to college, giving away free stuff (muvos, t-shirts, etc.) about a month ago. I had the oppurtunity to try one of these out and was pretty impressed. It does have a few flaws; lack of storage, no LCD (not a big deal), lack of EQ, no OGG support, but it also could be a really handy gadget to have, especially for college students. At my school, where we're required to have laptops, this means that you no longer need a disk drive, zip drive, whatever, to transfer small (or large) files from laptop to laptop/desktop. If I weren't the stereotypical poor college student, I would have grabbed this right away, even if only for the USB Key storage. The fact that it's an MP3 player too, and is about the size of my thumb, makes it even better.

    If this Duex is everything the Muvo is and more, I don't see why this can't be an even better replacement, for MP3 players, disk drives, etc, for any college student, or anyone else for that matter.

    Just my two cents.

  98. Any Ogg Vorbis comment is redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't matter when it came in. Never will.

  99. I don't understand the exitement by a7244270 · · Score: 1

    Every time I see one of these devices come out, I always ask myself how come people don't like MiniDisc players.

    They cost about 200 bux a pop for recordable portables, can store 80 minutes of music on a 2 dollar disc at a quality roughly equivalent to a 196bit mp3, or HOURS at a slight loss of quality, 10-20 hours of battery life, and most importantly can actually be used independent of a computer.

    i.e. this is a pure audio device, you can hook up microphones, plug it into a stereo, anything you want.

    Your music is stored in an editable manner, which gives you random access to data, edit tracks, move tracks around, etc.

    They are really convenient for travelling - if you're going on a plane you can grab a stack of discs (2 bux each, remember) so you never run out of music.

    Or you can go the portable mp3 player route, which means you can either listen to the same songs over and over again, or you could try to bring along a bunch of $50.00 memory sticks.

    Do some reading - here and maybe you guys will be as underwhelmed by portable mp3 players as I am.

    1. Re:I don't understand the exitement by mindstrm · · Score: 2

      Because I can't do direct digital copies of the discs without expensive gear.

      No, spdif to spdif is not a pure digital copy.. the data is decompressed/recompressed.

      The disc is proprietary, I can't stick it in my computer.

      They were out for a long time and were really expensive.

      The list goes on.

    2. Re:I don't understand the exitement by Effugas · · Score: 2

      I did the NetMD experience, due precisely to the logic you describe. Even started reverse engineering the USB protocol used to get music into it (hint: It's possible).

      Returned the sucker -- and watched it get put into a pile of other returns -- when I realized achieving 4x upload times w/o the USB hack required using this miserable copy protection system that sucked up massive amounts of hard drive, but without it, I'd have to spend one hour uploading for every hour of music -- and I'd have no track boundries.

      So, the short answer: Minidisc takes *forever* to write.

      --Dan

    3. Re:I don't understand the exitement by a7244270 · · Score: 1

      > Because I can't do direct digital copies
      > of the discs without expensive gear.

      True. If you want to make digital copies you need a computer inbetween.

      > The disc is proprietary, I can't stick it
      > in my computer.

      Why would you want to ? it has a USB connector.

      You bring up a good point tho - I always wondered why the hell Sony didn't try to make the MiniDisc the "zip disk" about ten years ago. Smaller, more capacity, waaaaaaaay cheaper. They were stupid to not do it.

      Also, why is the "proprietary-ness" of the disc a bad thing ? Memory sticks are proprietary too. Sony controls the spec, but media, players and recorders are available from many manufacturers, which is the only thing that counts.

      > They were out for a long time and were really
      > expensive.

      Its a mature technology with a proven track record, market acceptance everywhere on earth except the usa, it has drastically dropped in price, and thats a bad thing ?

      Some could argue that CD based MP3 players are a more versatile, but they are too big to fit in my pocket, especially when doing sports type stuff, so they don't cut it.

      They're not that bad. I'm not saying they are the solution to world peace, but they are definitely better than any MP3 players out there.

      MD is huge in Europe and in Japan, as well as in the professional audio industry over here. Latest algorithms bring it up to DAT quality at a fraction of the price, and the ability to plug a mic in and record anywhere is awesome (and non-existent in any mp3 player).

      Take an unbiased look, and check your pro/con list vs. any mp3 player out there, and you'll see where I'm coming from.

    4. Re:I don't understand the exitement by a7244270 · · Score: 1

      I'd be interested in any information you have to share on the USB protocol.

    5. Re:I don't understand the exitement by Effugas · · Score: 2

      It's nontrivial to decode, but whatever crypto is there exists on a per-file, not a per-link basis. I was able to verify that munging bits in the stored format does indeed munge bits on the wire, so replay techniques should be fruitful.

      There doesn't appear to be any way to do accelerated *downloads* off the NetMD, however. It was sad -- I went on a trip with my NetMD, and really enjoyed the thing, but I just wasn't willing to go back to 1x or 4x transfers. Even MMC, which is ungodly slow in its own right, does MP3 at 12x realtime!

      What can I say? The technical chops of the NetMD just don't make it worth it to hack on.

      --Dan

    6. Re:I don't understand the exitement by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      "True. If you want to make digital copies you need a computer inbetween."

      No.. not true. I believe these copies still employ spdif... they decompress the audio and then recompress it on the other end. You can't make ad-infinitum copies of minidisc music with normal equipment without signal degradation.

    7. Re:I don't understand the exitement by a7244270 · · Score: 1

      I thought I had seen a thingy that you could hook up that will take an optical in, remove the copy protection and then shoot it out the other end.

      Maybe I was wrong/wishful thinking.

  100. A lot of you seem to be missing the point... by Tarindel · · Score: 1

    These things are GREAT for jogging, or taking to the gym. Sure, you can jog with a discman or walkman style player, but odds are you're gonna end up carrying it in your hand, and risk dropping it. Some of these kinds of devices come with neck-ties, so you can wear them around your neck while you work out. Or stick em in your pocket. They're light enough they won't bounce when you jog. There's nothing worse than having your shorts fall down in public due to jogging with overly-heavy electronics in your pocket. No, I don't speak from experience.

    The reason they're expensive is because they're compact. The reason they only come with 128 MB ram is because they're compact, and to keep the price down. Yeah, 128 MB isn't that much room, but how often do you find yourself jogging for more than 2 hours?

    Personally, I'm looking at the IRiver IFP-180T (http://www.iriver.com/product/detail.asp?idx=10&p roduct_name=iFP-180T). As far as I can tell, it has an FM tuner, can record your voice, and will potentially support .ogg in the future if they can get the codec small enough.

    1. Re:A lot of you seem to be missing the point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. Many people have told me that there is nothing worse than my shorts coming off when I'm jogging. Guess they don't like fat-assed /. readers who drag around a Zaurus so they can listen to ogg files. Though now that I think about it, why do I jog anyway? Is it to get to the deep fried twinkies?

  101. One question that would help sell this by frovingslosh · · Score: 2
    My question, after visiting the website, is "can this device store any file and let it be retreived from the 128M memory, or can I strictly download to it (and only the stated file types)?

    It's not as dumb a question as it sounds, I already have a MP3 player that I can only download to, and that the software restricts to MP3 files. If this is a MP3 player and 128 megs of memory available for file transfer, then it would be pretty handy. That and, of course, the timer.

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    1. Re:One question that would help sell this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. It's recognized as a USB storage device. Many of these out there, but this is one of them that also decodes MP3s.

      *I remember when I would carry homework papers around in my 32 meg Rio... those were the days...*

  102. Noisy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is what a beowulf cluster of these would sound like.

  103. I want a pony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    And a fluffy rabbit. You have a problem with that?

    Fluffy rabbit named George.

  104. Re:What I want... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, and a girlfriend!

    Oh wait, that'll never happen... This is slashdot.

  105. And some more... by Wookie+Athos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not just "does it appear as a USB Mass Storage device with a convenient filesystem format", but also:

    Is the recorded audio (e.g. voice recordings) in a format easily accessible using Open Source tools?

    If the answer to both of those was yes then I'd probably buy one without hestitation. Does anyone have one they're willing to post a review of?

  106. USB cable included! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Included with the Duex mp302 are: headphone/neckstrap, USB cable, software CD, manual, and one AAA battery."

    duh.

  107. Price point by watchful.babbler · · Score: 1
    Two words: too high! For $125 more I could buy a 20 gig iPod -- a little larger, a lot more space. For that matter, I could spend a flat $199 and get the dear-god-that's-tiny Initial portable DVD/CD/MP3-CD player.

    Just $0.02 (plus two hundred bucks, give or take).

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    1. Re:Price point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      where can you get a 20gig ipod for 350?

  108. iPod!? by SHEENmaster · · Score: 1

    Go iPod, Firewire means faster transfers and it works in Linux, MacOS, and winshit.

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  109. Review at IGN Gear by VooDoo999 · · Score: 1

    There's a review (with extra pics) over at IGN Gear.

  110. Perfect for Runners by hornedone · · Score: 1

    It's already configured for runners. You insert it like a suppository. You can then excercise large muscle groups and practice being anal retentive.

  111. Why the timer? by devnull17 · · Score: 1

    Timers are being included on a number of portable MP3 players, the newest Rios among them. Their small formfactor and high stability make them ideal for working out with, and manufacturers are capitalizing on this. Even Nike sells the things now. A few even come with armbands.

  112. Or get a case with USB on the front by Hecatonchires · · Score: 1

    They're becoming more common. USB ports on the front make plugging in those occasional devices much easier. Things like memory sticks, the camera you borrowed off a friend, etc.

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  113. iPod by godzilla808 · · Score: 1

    Hmmm... 128M --> $179 5GB --> $200 I'll keep my little iPod! :)

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  114. Anyone else reminded of this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone else think this looks like a slightly higher-tech pregancy test?

    Just wondering.

  115. iPOD or This? by rawg · · Score: 1

    I was going to buy my wife a iPOD for Christmas. It will hold our whole collection. She has the Sony NW-E3 right now (but its software is messed up and it does not work on a Mac). She uses her MP3 player while she skateboards. I don't think that a iPOD will take that type of abuse. It would be trashed in a day. This player would be perfect. No more stupid Sony software. I wonder if it will work on a Mac?

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    1. Re:iPOD or This? by extra88 · · Score: 2

      I think you're right, the iPod would not stand up to contact sports (wife making contact with the ground). These things definitely seem like a step up from the Sony device. I didn't see one on the Duex but the MuVo has a little loop so you can tie it to your coat zipper or something.

      I was wondering the same thing about Mac compatibility. I think these USB flash key devices would use Apple's generic USB mass storage driver, just like a USB hard drive. They're probably FAT32 formatted but so what?

      And guess what I just found you can do? You can highlight tracks in iTunes, drag them on to a folder (or drive icon) and Finder will *copy* them into the folder! At least it does in OS X (10.2). I bet it works in OS 9 too though. What an excellent way of loading it up, just make a playlist (or a smart playlist which picks 3 hours worth of random songs) and drag them in! Sure, it's only at USB speeds but 128MB still shouldn't take more than a few minutes.

  116. That's not key-sized by quintessent · · Score: 2

    It's bigger than all my keys put together. It's kinda cool, but why not describe things accurately?

  117. THIS is smaller by arjscott · · Score: 1

    InnoGear claim their player is the smallest in the world. I haven't found the exact dimensions on the website, but this appears to be smaller (and much cooler!)

    Dimensions: 42.2mm x 41.6mm x 15.8mm This has been available in Japan for at least the last 6 months:

    http://www.panasonic.co.jp/products/audio/sd/sd80/ sd80.html

  118. While We're ripping on them, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't that the OpenGL Logo reversed?

  119. Re:Timer is for Exercisers... and Japan commuters by gpvillamil · · Score: 1
    One of the things you notice rather quickly in Japan is the number of people that sleep on trains and in the subway. Countdown timers are very popular to wake people up when they reach their station.

    To facilitate this, there are posters at all stations showing the *exact* (not estimated!) travel time from the current location to all other destinations. So you look at the poster, set your timer, start it when you get on the train, doze off to your favorite music, and hopefully get woken up a minute or so before you reach your destination.

  120. You dun't have to be a English... by Delta-9 · · Score: 2

    ...teacher to cry out over dat one!

    1. Re:You dun't have to be a English... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      by the way it's an English...

  121. l33t pozer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can easily set it up to run automagically...

    But doing it with CLI and not running "startx" while the Microsoft zombies are around makes you look way more l33t.

    Then wait until they start talking like this guy, and call up a desktop and say," yea, we got that dumb GUI crap for the clueless, but nobody really uses it."

  122. Plugs direct into USB port by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

    Don't all ATX motherboards have USB ports on the back? The fact that I'd have to lean around the back of my computer, avoid all the other cables and grope for a couple of small rectangular holes...

    Makes it a big no-no for me.

  123. if it's about the size of a stop watch... by BeazleyR · · Score: 1

    why not just make a nice mp3 playing watch?

    I'm sure somebody will, just in time for christmas. I know I'd much rather have the mp3 player strapped onto my wrist then in a cramped pocket getting torn up by my keys.

  124. Leech off us Canadians by xtal · · Score: 2

    The CBC (cbc.ca) has some great science and culture shows, and they're all ready to go in mp3 format and usually archived. Apply your favorite tool (e.g. wget) and off you go. Our politics aren't really as entertaining though. :-)

    As another poster mentioned, a fm card or a sound card connected to a normal radio is another way to go, as well. It's all about cron. I've done this with TV as well, I drive a lot.

    128mb rio == one whola hella pile of radio talk shows @ 64kbit.

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  125. Oh yey... by DigitalDad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Another gaget that's small enough for me to lose

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  126. Duex mp302's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine a Beowolf Cluster of THESE!!!

  127. who needs an lcd screen? by crazyhorse44 · · Score: 1

    if you've got 20-30 songs on there that you hand-selected and transfered to the device, why exactly would you need the lcd? to remember the names of the songs that you already liked enough to dl/rip, catalog and transfer to your mp3 player? track time it not particularly neccessary, as the player would probably be in your pocket most of the time. volume? that would be pretty obvious to the user anyways. the only potential use for an lcd screen IMO would be to gauge battery charge... but we all know how inaccurate most battery indicators are anyways. the only promising aspect of this player is the EQ... but then again how much difference can a tiny software EQ make on those earbud headphones anyways? as for the voice recording, it is not a feature that I would use very much (I hate hearing my voice anyways). With the Creative you're getting a product that has been tried and true, plus many retailers are now listing it at $139.99 after rebate. I'm waiting for my paycheck on Friday to go pick up my MuVo. Can't believe that I paid over $225 for a 64MB RIO just a couple of years ago

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  128. Transfer rate by Cave+Crickett · · Score: 1

    I want to know what the transfer rate is for this device. I heard that Muvo has a slow rate. Is this faster? I don't want to wait all day to get my 3 hours of mp3's on my thumb device. C

  129. what about iRiver? by dfj225 · · Score: 1

    The iRive iFP-180T has 128 MB of memory as well as a 90 dB S/N ratio and a LCD for about $140 at Best Buy. I don't own one...but if the specs tell anything, as well as the one review I read, this product seems like a great one. I wonder why it has hardly been noticed by the mp3 community?

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  130. The grammar nazi says... by SPELLGRAMMAR_NAZI · · Score: 1
  131. Durex? by llauren · · Score: 1

    The first thing i thought of when i saw the picture of the Duex was ``.. hmm, that's one nifty condom holder.''

    Duex. Durex. Can't be a coincidence :)

    • ~llaurén
  132. I don't get it by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 2

    Why on earth would you buy this thing? Who wants to pay 200 bucks to listen to the same 2 (maybe 3) CDs over and over for 12 hours? If this thing was $50 I might deem it cool, but it's not.

    For another $100 bucks you can snag a 5gig FireWire iPod half the size of a deck of cards, which doubles as an external harddisk, address book, calender, device to play Break-Out on, etc.

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    1. Re:I don't get it by nicedream · · Score: 1

      Half the size of a deck of cards? Not quite.

  133. Re:Fantastic MP3 Players But No Supporting Hardwar by satterth · · Score: 1
    Yeah, i understand where your comming from. Also imagine a user with 100's or 1000's of CD's but no computer. I'm sure some of these folks would enjoy the use of a small/tiny MP3 player. One could get one with recording capabilites, but then again your limited to 1:1 recording time. Who wants to wait for that? Its just like cassette walkmans.

    There are PVR like devices coming out on the market now that will let you RIP CD's into the unit to be listened to later. If there were some type of High Speed data transfer standard between all the MP3 players, then something like this could work. But what kind of world do we live in? Not that one. At least not yet.

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  134. IRiver models are firmware upgradeble (rocks) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plus it's firmware upgradeble. Feels like you get a new player everytime you upgrade firmware. I have a Slim-X (IMP-350) myself. Best buy I've EVER done.

  135. Nokia 5510 is a prime example by The+Fold · · Score: 1

    I have a Nokia 5510 phone and it combines a lot of common Nokia functions along with a QWERTY key layout and a built-in 64Mb MP3 player. I got it mainly for the MP3 player, but I've had nothing but trouble with it since I got it. It quite frequently hangs, the software to get the music on the phone is crap and the case is easily broken.
    I think the only positive aspects I can say to go along with this thread is that it does have a selectable equaliser depending on what style you are listening to, and with the hands-free kit on, the phone puts a 'beep' when a text comes through or fades the music and plays your ringtone when you get a call.

    In closing (:-P), mixing an mp3 player with a phone in my experience, is not a good thing....in fact, I've just ordered one of the 128Mb players that this thread is all about, even if the postage was $44.00!!

  136. Just like Sony minidiscs have done for ages by magicianuk · · Score: 1

    My home Sony MD recorder has a "Time Machine" option, same idea. It is always storing the last six (I think) seconds in memory and when you hit "record" it starts by putting those six seconds on the MD and speeds up catching up with the live input so it records "before" you press the button.
    Olympus have the same thing in some of their digital cameras, it is always storing the picture in memory and when you press the shutter button it can deduct your reaction time and take the picture "just before" you pressed the button.
    Another company (Nikon?) have a similar multishot system that works the other way around, you press down the button and it starts writing pictures into memory as quickly as it can, when you release the button the last five images are stored to your memory card.

  137. Darn, the second I let my mod points slide... by jeko · · Score: 1

    ...I find a post I'd use them all on. Thanks. This is a great tip.

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  138. price compare thing by timothy · · Score: 1
    shepd wrote:
    "Maybe he got that (mistaken) idea [that story placement can be purchased as an advertisement] from this?
    • Ad: PriceCompare

    Hmmm. Well, the answer is still No :)

    The related links thing (labeled "Ad") has nothing to do with the acceptance of a given submission; the links in it are generated automatically, whether the story is about Lego, the moon, privacy in the Ukraine, etc etc. In approving a submission, I cannot choose anything about what links that service finds, or turn it off. The truth is, I've basically ignored it until you mentioned it in this comment.

    Now, though, I've poked that link for a few stories, and notice that the "related" items it finds are very hit-or-miss, to put it lightly.

    The conspiracy theories are much more interesting than the pedestrian truth though -- I should make a bribe list, like a wedding registry :)

    1. 300 pounds of titanium
    2. personal (habitable) island
    3. really, that's enough. really.
    Cheers,

    timothy

    p.s. End of thread, at least for me :)

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  139. lower Muvo price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    confirmed. Just (today) purchased the Muvo at J&R in NY for $130 (after $20 mail in rebate.)

  140. MPIO also has LCD at Shoptronics.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was going to buy the MUVO but I found this MPIO player instead: http://www.shoptronics.com/mpidmktinsil.html And it is the same size as the MUVO and it has an LCD DISPLAY better sound quality and is around the same pirce!What do you think of it? On a side note is DATAPLAY going to be popular?

  141. take a look at this by zelphi · · Score: 1

    The iRiver iFP-180T lets you record FM radio, but I'm not sure if it's programmable.

    It does look like a great mp3 player though.

  142. Bahahhahaha...you obviously missed the point by Delta-9 · · Score: 1

    n/m