In my case, being a desktop publishing freelance without the possibility to migrate to Linux:( (oh lord how I hate Adobe)I'm planning to stay on XP for at least 6 months I have recent hardware but I'm waiting for some upgrades before migrating: SSD, ATI 49XX and bigger screen.
W7 not only performed better in the power consumption area in my test but it plays nicely with multi core processors, all my software played nicely.
Maybe I'll wait more to see what AMD's bulldozer will bring to the table, If I can run an XP VM inside Linux without a performance hit (4 cores and 4 gigs should be enough for any XP) I might just go that way, that would be very nice.
Since this article is about enterprise environments, I think it's better to start to look how will be your upgrade path. Anyway I have one client thats happy running his accounting software in Win98SE, I told him to upgrade but he's just waiting for the machine to die, I offered to virtualize his Win98 set up, yes, lazy accounting software developers are lazy, his software does not even support XP.
Can I drop that C code blob in HTML and work? Why would I spend asstons of time developing something in C when I can do it in 3 hours in Flash with better UI and make it run in Android, Windows and Linux?
Trying to argue that Apple is not a closed environment is moot, in various levels of "closed" not in this specific subset of openness that Apple offers in your original example.
This HTML5 demo IS CLOSED for anyone not using Safari, change user agent you say? I don't need to do that on any site I enjoy regularly, do change useragent will help average joe with IE7? IE8? Last time I checked that IE disease still gets more than 50% of browser share.
Does developing to an specific language for the iToys excluding you from porting to other platforms fill in your "hard to move your data in and out Apple systems?
Yeah, it's a joke. Now that Apple has show us their intentions I'm so out of the HTML5 bandwagon, I don't have time to give away to Apple and help them in their despotic views of how technology should be. We have had enough with MS for this new challenger in the world of monopolies.
In other news - Apple has made ILLEGAL to change your browser user agent. NEXT: Apple checks you website to see if the indentation of your HTML follows the rules of iChing, slackers will be prosecuted.
I agree 100% with your post. Is just that I can't trust Apple. Nothing good can come out if you make someone crave about the new and shinny HTML5 and lure them with a demo but they find you have to use X and X to be able to see this new future.
My IE6 example says it all, Youtube nags you to update your browser 2 times: "YOU BROWSER IS NOT SUPPORTED!!!1", but even then, You can play the goddamn video on IE6 thanks to flash.
Last time I checked I didn't created a website for me, so it runs flawlessly on my machines, everyone creates sites for the average tube sailor, they don't give a f*** about html5, js, flash, as, css, activex.... --
1. got to a site to see demo about stuff 2. get invited to download X browser 3. "well this is retro" remarks 4. ??? 5. Alt + <-
Yes, theres only one CUPS and only one WebKit. Did you see the source code? Safari specific stuff, how standard is that? Is it betther compared what you can do with FLASH now?
I can use Youtube in IE7 if I please, and on Chrome most of the videos are delivered in FLASH, html5 video had failed on me sometimes on youtube. `*fires _IE6_ on W2K test machine* ZOMFG! VIDEO! it works! but thats actually a bug from EVIL FLASH!
Wait until "Website Requires Safari 5 or better and Mac OSX 10.x"
Don't bring rational arguments on this discussion Apple's HTML5 is magical, you don't need to know anything else dude. That stupid designers and their kerning
WOW how innovative! I need to use X browser to access some web features and the sibling media player to access media! I hope someone tell Microsoft, they're going to miss the future boat/sarcasm
Opps you badmouthed Apple. I can foresee my future karma hell for the mere reason of talking straight about Apple.. as if I care.
I got to/. so I can learn about open source, is this forum turned out to be a chapel for Apple? Everyday I see more articles about Apple than about open source. Anyone knows a good site free of stupid fanboyism where I can learn and get news about open source world?
Oh oh oh and don't forget the/. ghost! he will DELETE your post when moderation is not effective in hiding what you say.
Were talking about why Corps make closed "standards" so they try to create a monopoly. Like when MS created IE6 and stillborn ActiveX their plan was to make all the web use that, and you know how well it ended. Seems like you like Apple, sorry, Apple is trying shamesly to do exactly what MS did in the 90's - And don't be so proud about MAC OSX security, there is already Botnet kits modified for MAC OSX, so your point is moot.
So this magical wwwalled garden is the reason HTML5 is being pushed?, let me say that all my interest in HTML5 is now dead Jim. Everything Apple touches ends up being a toy, an OCD friendly and worthless techonology. Thank Jebus they let the cat out of the bag early, I will not waste my time in HTML5.
Yet, I'm waiting for that HTML5 examples that do what this flawed and obnoxious Flash do, but right so I can fire the dusty old IE8 and try to see them.
See, this websites are not created for the technical merits of the code used or anything else, You all fail to see that websites are a marketing tool mostly developed following an iron fisted powerpoint bullet list with the target group stats gathered by market studies. PHB's don't give a crap if it's HTML5 or Flash they care if the (google) Analytics shows the target group is happy with the website.
Do pragmatic and utterly minimal OSS project pages care if 4chaners yuck at the site? Does fancy media labs like 2advanced care if their share of Linux visits goes under 1%?. They don't care.
Whats wrong is trying to preach you personal views of how should be the web onto the common folk, or doing it right like in a soviet stronghold ala Apple.
When some popular site offers the choice between HTML5 and Flash and 50% of people choose HTML5 I can tell that Flash is going away for sure, in the meanwhile instead of the two minutes of flash hate can we all help to make HTML5 what it should be? Really, TODAY there is no way to control sound in HTML5 but Flash CS4 (Yesterday) have very nice tools for 3D.
Blame wintel Cartel and how they fucked up netbooks. they seem fine on my Pentium3 coppermine and Opera on Win2K. sure, its rapes my CPU but is not choppy or lagy, play-as-intended. Now,/. on Firefox in this machine rapes my CPU too so..
Most of these sites are not pixel perfect, old pixel perfect mantra is old, but most of them are fluid sites that reconfigure themselves according to your screen dimensions, ya it could be done in xtml and css. And most of the UI is vector based because ZOMG Flassh IDE is also vector design software! (I find I love Inkscape a lot too).
When I say emulate I mean: show me sites that do the same UI, data and layout operations but in HTML5.
Well, being "gorgeous" something very relative to each human being and fast being "playing as intended in a P3 256 Ram laptop" I can point you to a handful of sites:
Or you can look for people's favorites in thefwa.com or thefwa.org
But sure, don't let my biased examples from little to "known-by-the-webdesigner-mom" sites bother you, is not like this nobodies are doing a dime on the products or services they sell with the help of evil flash.
Now, can you please point me to HTML5 implementations that emulate completely what this sites are doing? Not trolling, I'm really interested because HTML5 dev tools would be free and open and anything that helps me to migrate from Adobe's CSx is welcome because that helps me to migrate to Linux:)
They have a point, It does not matter how much venom you trow at flash or how lengthy your Flash rants could be, who decides whether or not HTML5 can replace Flash is the designers and the capabilities of HTML5 itself. The ultimate decider are things like Facebook games and huge time sinks. Even the Google pacman used swf for sound.
Devs should be finalizing and publishing the spec before starting to bury Flash IMO. Then you could plan how to fight against the 98% share of Flash in the PC. Like Windows retardness, and Apple closeness, Flash is not going to die because nerds say so.
Social networking more relevant than education? Internet access where children barely have access to electricity and water? A plot from the working ant against the big elephant?
Jesus! I knew Windows Fanboys were dumb but not in so many levels.
The Kin seems good, can I put android in there? I'd buy one for my daughter if it runs Linux, Imagine a beowulf cluster of these etc.. But this is a phone for cool texting kids, not for people in need of educative tools.
Maybe you got my point, BP and pals act like a sociopaths, there should be a really HUGE FINGER preventing anyone with power to do something, is not just money it seems like BP don't really care about this whole issue, just try not to lose more money and put up something so people think they actually did all they could do. They trow you the "nuke" bone so everyone get busy while they buy time.
But yeah, flamebait, whatever that makes you happy!
People everywhere are saying this but I'm yet to see actual sauce about that, no, the Pravda article is not sauce, I mean technical sauce: studies, white papers, declassified documents, no? we hate the "drillbabydrill but we believe in the nukebabynuke?"
I wonder what would happen with a 1 Km hole barfing oil wholesale to the gulf stream, ya, whats going to happen just after WE realize YOU totally fucked up OUR planet.
1. Manipulating the media so everybody think they're doing everything to protect the ecosystem. 2. Taking all the time necessary to device something that can recover some % of the oil... 3. and stop the spill as a colateral bennefit. 4. ??? 5. Profit, because we all know they will proffit by the end of the year.
If this happens on the coast of some developing nation I'm sure the government would not be so carefree about it, average people would threat BP employes, and directly affected citizens would lynch them when posible. But hey! it's happening in a developed nation, one would hope for more.
I just can't belive that petroleum industry have their fingers so UP in the arse of some governments, soooo inside that it's on the verge of fisting the shit out of the global environment and the USA government is not doing shit, it's happening on your own patio!!1
I'm sure if this happens closer to NY or CA things would be really different.
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You can't have a revolution without propaganda you silly. If Apple have taught us something is that tech does not matter once we have MAGIC.
In my case, being a desktop publishing freelance without the possibility to migrate to Linux :( (oh lord how I hate Adobe)I'm planning to stay on XP for at least 6 months I have recent hardware but I'm waiting for some upgrades before migrating: SSD, ATI 49XX and bigger screen.
W7 not only performed better in the power consumption area in my test but it plays nicely with multi core processors, all my software played nicely.
Maybe I'll wait more to see what AMD's bulldozer will bring to the table, If I can run an XP VM inside Linux without a performance hit (4 cores and 4 gigs should be enough for any XP) I might just go that way, that would be very nice.
Since this article is about enterprise environments, I think it's better to start to look how will be your upgrade path. Anyway I have one client thats happy running his accounting software in Win98SE, I told him to upgrade but he's just waiting for the machine to die, I offered to virtualize his Win98 set up, yes, lazy accounting software developers are lazy, his software does not even support XP.
Score +2 Troll
Wow, I think you pissed off the bug man, it's going berserk! Looks like slashcode has gained sent^h^h^h^everything is fine.
Hey! ADD much?
This is not an Apple article is about HTML5
Last time I checked Universe=!Apple The fact that you twist every article to end up talking about Apple is not my business.
You think it's bad?
http://www.businessinsider.com/confirmed-there-is-a-second-leaking-rig-near-the-deepwater-2010-6
Different company etc.
Can I drop that C code blob in HTML and work? Why would I spend asstons of time developing something in C when I can do it in 3 hours in Flash with better UI and make it run in Android, Windows and Linux?
Trying to argue that Apple is not a closed environment is moot, in various levels of "closed" not in this specific subset of openness that Apple offers in your original example.
This HTML5 demo IS CLOSED for anyone not using Safari, change user agent you say? I don't need to do that on any site I enjoy regularly, do change useragent will help average joe with IE7? IE8? Last time I checked that IE disease still gets more than 50% of browser share.
I agree with parent, so mod me down too. You know you wanna.
Die in a fire Apple fanboys!
I'm not 12, I have no fear for downmoderation, I don't need to post AC because I can stand for what I believe. Unlike, you know, irrational fanboys.
Does developing to an specific language for the iToys excluding you from porting to other platforms fill in your "hard to move your data in and out Apple systems?
Yeah, it's a joke. Now that Apple has show us their intentions I'm so out of the HTML5 bandwagon, I don't have time to give away to Apple and help them in their despotic views of how technology should be. We have had enough with MS for this new challenger in the world of monopolies.
In other news - Apple has made ILLEGAL to change your browser user agent. NEXT: Apple checks you website to see if the indentation of your HTML follows the rules of iChing, slackers will be prosecuted.
I agree 100% with your post. Is just that I can't trust Apple. Nothing good can come out if you make someone crave about the new and shinny HTML5 and lure them with a demo but they find you have to use X and X to be able to see this new future.
My IE6 example says it all, Youtube nags you to update your browser 2 times: "YOU BROWSER IS NOT SUPPORTED!!!1", but even then, You can play the goddamn video on IE6 thanks to flash.
Last time I checked I didn't created a website for me, so it runs flawlessly on my machines, everyone creates sites for the average tube sailor, they don't give a f*** about html5, js, flash, as, css, activex.... --
1. got to a site to see demo about stuff
2. get invited to download X browser
3. "well this is retro" remarks
4. ???
5. Alt + <-
Yes, theres only one CUPS and only one WebKit. Did you see the source code? Safari specific stuff, how standard is that? Is it betther compared what you can do with FLASH now?
I can use Youtube in IE7 if I please, and on Chrome most of the videos are delivered in FLASH, html5 video had failed on me sometimes on youtube. `*fires _IE6_ on W2K test machine* ZOMFG! VIDEO! it works! but thats actually a bug from EVIL FLASH!
Wait until "Website Requires Safari 5 or better and Mac OSX 10.x"
Don't bring rational arguments on this discussion Apple's HTML5 is magical, you don't need to know anything else dude. That stupid designers and their kerning
WOW how innovative! I need to use X browser to access some web features and the sibling media player to access media! I hope someone tell Microsoft, they're going to miss the future boat /sarcasm
Opps you badmouthed Apple. I can foresee my future karma hell for the mere reason of talking straight about Apple.. as if I care.
/. so I can learn about open source, is this forum turned out to be a chapel for Apple? Everyday I see more articles about Apple than about open source. Anyone knows a good site free of stupid fanboyism where I can learn and get news about open source world?
/. ghost! he will DELETE your post when moderation is not effective in hiding what you say.
I got to
Oh oh oh and don't forget the
In distopian slashdot the memo better gets you.
Were talking about why Corps make closed "standards" so they try to create a monopoly. Like when MS created IE6 and stillborn ActiveX their plan was to make all the web use that, and you know how well it ended. Seems like you like Apple, sorry, Apple is trying shamesly to do exactly what MS did in the 90's - And don't be so proud about MAC OSX security, there is already Botnet kits modified for MAC OSX, so your point is moot.
So this magical wwwalled garden is the reason HTML5 is being pushed?, let me say that all my interest in HTML5 is now dead Jim. Everything Apple touches ends up being a toy, an OCD friendly and worthless techonology. Thank Jebus they let the cat out of the bag early, I will not waste my time in HTML5.
Yet, I'm waiting for that HTML5 examples that do what this flawed and obnoxious Flash do, but right so I can fire the dusty old IE8 and try to see them.
See, this websites are not created for the technical merits of the code used or anything else, You all fail to see that websites are a marketing tool mostly developed following an iron fisted powerpoint bullet list with the target group stats gathered by market studies. PHB's don't give a crap if it's HTML5 or Flash they care if the (google) Analytics shows the target group is happy with the website.
Do pragmatic and utterly minimal OSS project pages care if 4chaners yuck at the site? Does fancy media labs like 2advanced care if their share of Linux visits goes under 1%?. They don't care.
Whats wrong is trying to preach you personal views of how should be the web onto the common folk, or doing it right like in a soviet stronghold ala Apple.
When some popular site offers the choice between HTML5 and Flash and 50% of people choose HTML5 I can tell that Flash is going away for sure, in the meanwhile instead of the two minutes of flash hate can we all help to make HTML5 what it should be? Really, TODAY there is no way to control sound in HTML5 but Flash CS4 (Yesterday) have very nice tools for 3D.
Blame wintel Cartel and how they fucked up netbooks. they seem fine on my Pentium3 coppermine and Opera on Win2K. sure, its rapes my CPU but is not choppy or lagy, play-as-intended. Now, /. on Firefox in this machine rapes my CPU too so..
Most of these sites are not pixel perfect, old pixel perfect mantra is old, but most of them are fluid sites that reconfigure themselves according to your screen dimensions, ya it could be done in xtml and css. And most of the UI is vector based because ZOMG Flassh IDE is also vector design software! (I find I love Inkscape a lot too).
When I say emulate I mean: show me sites that do the same UI, data and layout operations but in HTML5.
More people have seen Badger and had a laugh than the people that have read and had a laugh looking at your JS source code. :)
Well, being "gorgeous" something very relative to each human being and fast being "playing as intended in a P3 256 Ram laptop" I can point you to a handful of sites:
:)
http://moodstream.gettyimages.com/
http://www.hbo.com/
http://www.2advanced.com/
http://www.girbaud.com/eng/
http://www.lamborghini.com/2006/frameset_eng.html
Theres opensource Flash CMS's
http://silex-ria.org/
Or you can look for people's favorites in
thefwa.com or thefwa.org
But sure, don't let my biased examples from little to "known-by-the-webdesigner-mom" sites bother you, is not like this nobodies are doing a dime on the products or services they sell with the help of evil flash.
Now, can you please point me to HTML5 implementations that emulate completely what this sites are doing? Not trolling, I'm really interested because HTML5 dev tools would be free and open and anything that helps me to migrate from Adobe's CSx is welcome because that helps me to migrate to Linux
They have a point, It does not matter how much venom you trow at flash or how lengthy your Flash rants could be, who decides whether or not HTML5 can replace Flash is the designers and the capabilities of HTML5 itself. The ultimate decider are things like Facebook games and huge time sinks. Even the Google pacman used swf for sound.
Devs should be finalizing and publishing the spec before starting to bury Flash IMO. Then you could plan how to fight against the 98% share of Flash in the PC. Like Windows retardness, and Apple closeness, Flash is not going to die because nerds say so.
You're just a flamebait but anyway.
Social networking more relevant than education? Internet access where children barely have access to electricity and water? A plot from the working ant against the big elephant?
Jesus! I knew Windows Fanboys were dumb but not in so many levels.
The Kin seems good, can I put android in there? I'd buy one for my daughter if it runs Linux, Imagine a beowulf cluster of these etc.. But this is a phone for cool texting kids, not for people in need of educative tools.
This time, I really hope OLPC delivers.
Maybe you got my point, BP and pals act like a sociopaths, there should be a really HUGE FINGER preventing anyone with power to do something, is not just money it seems like BP don't really care about this whole issue, just try not to lose more money and put up something so people think they actually did all they could do. They trow you the "nuke" bone so everyone get busy while they buy time.
But yeah, flamebait, whatever that makes you happy!
People everywhere are saying this but I'm yet to see actual sauce about that, no, the Pravda article is not sauce, I mean technical sauce: studies, white papers, declassified documents, no? we hate the "drillbabydrill but we believe in the nukebabynuke?"
I wonder what would happen with a 1 Km hole barfing oil wholesale to the gulf stream, ya, whats going to happen just after WE realize YOU totally fucked up OUR planet.
This!
No, really, The priorities for BP appears to be:
1. Manipulating the media so everybody think they're doing everything to protect the ecosystem.
2. Taking all the time necessary to device something that can recover some % of the oil...
3. and stop the spill as a colateral bennefit.
4. ???
5. Profit, because we all know they will proffit by the end of the year.
If this happens on the coast of some developing nation I'm sure the government would not be so carefree about it, average people would threat BP employes, and directly affected citizens would lynch them when posible. But hey! it's happening in a developed nation, one would hope for more.
I just can't belive that petroleum industry have their fingers so UP in the arse of some governments, soooo inside that it's on the verge of fisting the shit out of the global environment and the USA government is not doing shit, it's happening on your own patio!!1
I'm sure if this happens closer to NY or CA things would be really different.