Exactly what I mean. They glued a flat panel display to the top of a standard beige box. Then they said to themselves, `How can we make this more designer?'.
Answer round off the corners and make it out of plastic. OK, they didn't bother with coloured plastic for this one.
Today most of the stereos are the compact, all-in-one variety.
They always were, my grandparents generation had a radiogram, my parents generation had a music center, mine had a midi system, kidsnow have micro system. All that changed is the size.
If you want something else you'll have to go to a high-end shop, the average discount store doesn't carry the expensive stuff anymore.
Separates aren't that expensive. Tens of pounds per bit overe here, so a complete system is no more than a good quality all-in-one thingie.
Of course, if you go into one of the HiFi places they'll sell you green marker pens, oxygen free copper wire and other voodoo which ups the price a bit.
OK the screen pops up a bit and it has a detachable keybard, but it's hardly a radical new departure.
What is it about computer an car designers which makes them so conservative? Even apple, who have a reputation as being inovative, really just produce things to the same tired designs, they just round off the corners and make them out of coloured plastic.
[...]But if someone can just crash it remotely without even getting to a shell it's not a hole? That doesn't makes sense to me.
The difference is that if they could get even a very limited shell, that would turn all the local exploit bugs into potential remote exploit holes. That is clearly an order of magnitude more dangerous than a simple DOS.
So, I think it makes sense to distinguish between the two cases, though I think just talking about `holes' is silly. Didn't they used to have `remote root exploit' or similar wording in there? Perhaps the PHBs didn't understand.
People can *get* broadband in the UK, they are either just choosing not to, don't understand the benefits, or plain do not think they require it.
Mostly I suspect they look at people who have it (BT based ADSL that is) and realise it is shit. I happen to be able to directly compare BT ADSL and Telewest cable broadband and the difference is huge. Too big IMO to be due to fundamental technical differences.
BT have a history of not wanting a mass market for fast internet access (they kept ISDN out of non-enthusiast home user's reach until it was obsolete). The only coherent theory which covers the facts is that BT make more money on slow lines because they need invest less in the infrastructure etc.
Oh, for the umpteenth time: Apple mice use one button because their research indicates that non-professional computer users never know what to do with a second mouse button anyway.
Which is why TV remote controls, mobile phones etc only have one button.:-)
Er, they sent the systems to a company which was supposed to blank the disks but didn't. The data clearing company failed to do their job not the bank.
Sending the systems to someone else before they are cleaned up is not the act of a company whose first priority is privacy.
It is the act of a company whose first priority is saving a few pennies.
So the bank failed to do their job, and then the people they payed to do the job for them failed.
I think maybe a targetted boycott campaign against not the RIAA blanket company, but a particular member (chosen randomly)
Better still, if you think the RIAA are wrong, boycott the artists who chose to live under the RIAA umbrella. They are the people who give the RIAA it's power.
Of course, if you'd done this consistantly in the past you wouldn't have anything to confess to...
[But yes, most religions are not nearly as bad as Christainity and Scientology]
What?
I can use smaller words if you like.
Note that I was speaking in a particular context about one aspect of religion, the tendency to be run as a pyramid scheme as raised by `Babbster'. Episcopal christianity and scientology are among the worst from that POV.
When did the Catholic Church last burn people alive?
Last time they had the power to?
Yes, it's teachings were only commonly available in Latin for a long period, but that's because it was considered to be the language of the educated
So, only `educated' people can be trusted to know the secrets. Sounds just like the scientology case to me.
Also, printing books was not cheap or even possible until very recently (19th Century).
Er, what on earthmakes you think that it was not possible to print books before the 19th century? Tyndale's bible was printed in 1524. And the lack of mass production technology is not a reason to burn people, indeed that the books were relatively rare (~20,000 copies of the Tyndale bible IIRC) makes it even clearer how much of a threat the church considered translation to be -- access to the bible by even a relatively small number of unauthorised people had to be stopped at all costs.
You should only really judge the Catholic Church on how it behaves today.
Buggering choirboys you mean? That the power of the churches, and hence their ability to harm people, has been massively reduced in the past few hundred years is a reason for celebration, but not a reason to forget what they will do given the chance. If a mass murderer moves into your street, but doesn't seem to have killed anyone so far this week, it is still a good idea to be wary.
Had Scientology existed in medieval times, [...]
The church would have tortured suspected members to death.
This is all wanderring off topic, my original point was just that keeping the core teachings of a religion to an inner circle is not a weird property of Scientology, it is a common, though not universal, feature of priest based religions.
I note that in many medieval christian communities everyone could read the bible. For instance, Alfred the Great translated it into English for that very purpose.
Do you have a reference for that, I know he translated some philosophical, historical and religious works, and I think there were some Psalms, but not the bible as a whole.
And, of course, no matter how much they wanted to it is unlikely the church could have managed to burn the king:-).
You readily assume such things as translation - both the Bible and sermons were previously only commonly available in Latin.
Indeed, information was for a long time not available in venacular translations because it was church policy not to let ordinary people have access to the sources. Just like scientology really.
The Catholic Church has never been comparable to Scientology.
Well, Scientologists don't burn people alive.
It's never charged for mere information
Well, it only allowed the information out through authorised channels, and to get access to an authorised channel you were expected to pay a tithe to support the local priest.
But it's very rare that you get turned down at a Catholic church.
Have you ever been turned down at a Scientology centre? The more suckers the better.
Scientology, on the other hand, is just a scam to extort the rich.
If only they limited themselves that way. The big money is in getting lots of small amounts from lots of people, not a large amount from a couple of rich people. That is why scientologists and preachers stand on street corners looking for suckers. That is also why televangelists exist and why a collection plate goes around a church.
The net result was that Catholicism lost much of it's power base, but Christianity in general came out much stronger than it was before.
Classical, dark ages and middle ages christianity was pervasive and a major power center, since then it has been all down hill.
Apart from the USA, christianity is a mildly amusing sideshow in all of the developed nations. Even the Irish have been kicking it in the head in the past few decades. The Italians have a weird relationship with it, in that the church seems to be everywhere, but they basicly ignore it (eg look at their birth rate).
The main places where christianity is really a force are in south and central america and some bits of eastern Europe (noteably Poland), where it is still the catholic church which is the power. The orthodox church looked like it might make a power grab in Russia after the fall of communism, but that is looking less likely as time goes by.
Evangelism is key to Christianity and said evangelism can't take placed without The Bible.
Clearly it tookplace for centuries without the bible. It is quite possible, even easier, to evangelise by letting only the evangeliser read the secrets and pass on only those which will be useful at this moment, preferably distorted to match the local situation.
Remember, the early church didn't have the bible, the first attempts to pull together a canonical collection was in the second century AD. Then for a long time it was the case that only the priesthood and educated laymen were given access to the bible.
That the marks^H^H^H^H^Hordinary believers should be allowed to read the secrets and convince themselves was one of the big innovations of the protestant reformers.
There are incredible things in every religion. Every faith has its idiosyncracies. But most major religions are at least a little bit more - and a little bit better - than pyramid schemes with brainwashing thrown in.
Take a walk around the vatican and ask where the money came from.
Scientology took it's model from Christianity and just sharpened up the operation, looking more like the church back when it still had teeth than the stumbling mess christianity now is.
But yes, most religions are not nearly as bad as Christainity and Scientology, I'd guess it was the close identification of christanity with the later roman empire which built it into such an efficiant command and control structure, or perhaps they learned a great deal from their enemies in Persia.
...but nobody is going to sue me for either singing a hymn or spreading "The Word" in ANY language.
This is because Christianity has lost it's power base. Remember they used to burn people alive for translating the bible from latin just because doing so allowed the actual doctrine to leak out to ordinary people.
Hidden secrets are common in religions. A cynic might say this is because the stuff whichis most obviously bollocks has to be kept from people who haven't yet been brainwashed into complete gullability, but I couldn't say such a thing or Hastur will ge.....
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Exactly what I mean. They glued a flat panel display to the top of a standard beige box. Then they said to themselves, `How can we make this more designer?'.
Answer round off the corners and make it out of plastic. OK, they didn't bother with coloured plastic for this one.
They always were, my grandparents generation had a radiogram, my parents generation had a music center, mine had a midi system, kidsnow have micro system. All that changed is the size.
If you want something else you'll have to go to a high-end shop, the average discount store doesn't carry the expensive stuff anymore.
Separates aren't that expensive. Tens of pounds per bit overe here, so a complete system is no more than a good quality all-in-one thingie.
Of course, if you go into one of the HiFi places they'll sell you green marker pens, oxygen free copper wire and other voodoo which ups the price a bit.
OK the screen pops up a bit and it has a detachable keybard, but it's hardly a radical new departure.
What is it about computer an car designers which makes them so conservative? Even apple, who have a reputation as being inovative, really just produce things to the same tired designs, they just round off the corners and make them out of coloured plastic.
One of these you mean?
They're too fat to race.
Am I the only one old enough to remember when Apple was the anti-christ because they had given up innovation and replaced it with litigation.
I still get a guilty feeling when I use one, even though I'm pretty sure they learned their lesson.
The difference is that if they could get even a very limited shell, that would turn all the local exploit bugs into potential remote exploit holes. That is clearly an order of magnitude more dangerous than a simple DOS.
So, I think it makes sense to distinguish between the two cases, though I think just talking about `holes' is silly. Didn't they used to have `remote root exploit' or similar wording in there? Perhaps the PHBs didn't understand.
Mostly I suspect they look at people who have it (BT based ADSL that is) and realise it is shit. I happen to be able to directly compare BT ADSL and Telewest cable broadband and the difference is huge. Too big IMO to be due to fundamental technical differences.
BT have a history of not wanting a mass market for fast internet access (they kept ISDN out of non-enthusiast home user's reach until it was obsolete). The only coherent theory which covers the facts is that BT make more money on slow lines because they need invest less in the infrastructure etc.
Which is why TV remote controls, mobile phones etc only have one button.:-)
Sending the systems to someone else before they are cleaned up is not the act of a company whose first priority is privacy. It is the act of a company whose first priority is saving a few pennies.
So the bank failed to do their job, and then the people they payed to do the job for them failed.
How about a barrel of pork in orbit for every citizen?
So it's not spam if everyone it is sent to either has a penis or knows someone who has, and so is a potential customer?
These kind of lists are almost essential for promoting the slightly obscure services we provide
I get spam all the time from nice ladies offering me some _really_ obscure services.
Better still, if you think the RIAA are wrong, boycott the artists who chose to live under the RIAA umbrella. They are the people who give the RIAA it's power.
Of course, if you'd done this consistantly in the past you wouldn't have anything to confess to...
What?
I can use smaller words if you like.
Note that I was speaking in a particular context about one aspect of religion, the tendency to be run as a pyramid scheme as raised by `Babbster'. Episcopal christianity and scientology are among the worst from that POV.
Last time they had the power to?
Yes, it's teachings were only commonly available in Latin for a long period, but that's because it was considered to be the language of the educated
So, only `educated' people can be trusted to know the secrets. Sounds just like the scientology case to me.
Also, printing books was not cheap or even possible until very recently (19th Century).
Er, what on earthmakes you think that it was not possible to print books before the 19th century? Tyndale's bible was printed in 1524. And the lack of mass production technology is not a reason to burn people, indeed that the books were relatively rare (~20,000 copies of the Tyndale bible IIRC) makes it even clearer how much of a threat the church considered translation to be -- access to the bible by even a relatively small number of unauthorised people had to be stopped at all costs.
You should only really judge the Catholic Church on how it behaves today.
Buggering choirboys you mean? That the power of the churches, and hence their ability to harm people, has been massively reduced in the past few hundred years is a reason for celebration, but not a reason to forget what they will do given the chance. If a mass murderer moves into your street, but doesn't seem to have killed anyone so far this week, it is still a good idea to be wary.
Had Scientology existed in medieval times, [...]
The church would have tortured suspected members to death.
This is all wanderring off topic, my original point was just that keeping the core teachings of a religion to an inner circle is not a weird property of Scientology, it is a common, though not universal, feature of priest based religions.
Do you have a reference for that, I know he translated some philosophical, historical and religious works, and I think there were some Psalms, but not the bible as a whole.
And, of course, no matter how much they wanted to it is unlikely the church could have managed to burn the king:-).
Indeed, information was for a long time not available in venacular translations because it was church policy not to let ordinary people have access to the sources. Just like scientology really.
The Catholic Church has never been comparable to Scientology.
Well, Scientologists don't burn people alive.
It's never charged for mere information
Well, it only allowed the information out through authorised channels, and to get access to an authorised channel you were expected to pay a tithe to support the local priest.
But it's very rare that you get turned down at a Catholic church.
Have you ever been turned down at a Scientology centre? The more suckers the better.
Scientology, on the other hand, is just a scam to extort the rich.
If only they limited themselves that way. The big money is in getting lots of small amounts from lots of people, not a large amount from a couple of rich people. That is why scientologists and preachers stand on street corners looking for suckers. That is also why televangelists exist and why a collection plate goes around a church.
Classical, dark ages and middle ages christianity was pervasive and a major power center, since then it has been all down hill.
Apart from the USA, christianity is a mildly amusing sideshow in all of the developed nations. Even the Irish have been kicking it in the head in the past few decades. The Italians have a weird relationship with it, in that the church seems to be everywhere, but they basicly ignore it (eg look at their birth rate).
The main places where christianity is really a force are in south and central america and some bits of eastern Europe (noteably Poland), where it is still the catholic church which is the power. The orthodox church looked like it might make a power grab in Russia after the fall of communism, but that is looking less likely as time goes by.
Clearly it tookplace for centuries without the bible. It is quite possible, even easier, to evangelise by letting only the evangeliser read the secrets and pass on only those which will be useful at this moment, preferably distorted to match the local situation.
Remember, the early church didn't have the bible, the first attempts to pull together a canonical collection was in the second century AD. Then for a long time it was the case that only the priesthood and educated laymen were given access to the bible.
That the marks^H^H^H^H^Hordinary believers should be allowed to read the secrets and convince themselves was one of the big innovations of the protestant reformers.
There are incredible things in every religion. Every faith has its idiosyncracies. But most major religions are at least a little bit more - and a little bit better - than pyramid schemes with brainwashing thrown in.
Take a walk around the vatican and ask where the money came from.
Scientology took it's model from Christianity and just sharpened up the operation, looking more like the church back when it still had teeth than the stumbling mess christianity now is.
But yes, most religions are not nearly as bad as Christainity and Scientology, I'd guess it was the close identification of christanity with the later roman empire which built it into such an efficiant command and control structure, or perhaps they learned a great deal from their enemies in Persia.
This is because Christianity has lost it's power base. Remember they used to burn people alive for translating the bible from latin just because doing so allowed the actual doctrine to leak out to ordinary people.
Hidden secrets are common in religions. A cynic might say this is because the stuff whichis most obviously bollocks has to be kept from people who haven't yet been brainwashed into complete gullability, but I couldn't say such a thing or Hastur will ge.....
There is an old BSD curse: ``May you run an interesting operating system''.
And this will help someone wanting to use portage under FreeBSD how exactly?
The story, AIUI, was about someone porting portage to FBSD, not the people trying to create a hybred BSD/Gentoo system.
The report says you need to play man in the middle, the paper title claims cyper text only. Does anyone with the relevent background know which it is?
Who is going to meta-port the 7000 (or whatever it is) ports to whatever format portage needs it's information in and then keep them up to date?