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It's a Laptop - It's a Desktop

pcman cuts and pastes: "Amidst the hollowed halls and exhibition floor of the Jacob Javits Center here, one beacon of innovation shone brightly at the TechXNY trade show. At a time when even the show's keynote speakers failed to generate headlines, IBM showed off the might of its design savoir-faire akin to the European assault on the Big Three automakers by German designers and engineer."

236 comments

  1. heh by miseryinmotion · · Score: 0, Troll

    I really do want a laptop that is worthy of a superman pun.

  2. It's a Laptop, it's a Desktop... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...it's a dessert topping!

  3. Am I the only one that... by clifgriffin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...fails to see the use of this? Honestly, I can think of any real way this would help over a normal (priced) laptop. I guess it is neat you can opt to have the screen at a different height and angle, but I don't know.. I can personally live without it for a long time. Clif

    1. Re:Am I the only one that... by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      I agree. I have a buddy with a Compaq T-1000 (laptop/huge pda with a transmeta in it) that he paid $1700 for. Fairly useless for the price, just as these seem to be. The noticeable advantage is the loss of a docking station and second monitor.. is that really necessary?

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    2. Re:Am I the only one that... by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1

      no, I totaly agree.

      why, in the day of power in a small package do we need this?

      why turn a laptolp into a desktop then back again?

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    3. Re:Am I the only one that... by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      Well, I personally hate being hunched over the laptop if I'm sitting at home. I much prefer being able to lean back in my chair, put the keyboard on my lap, and surf away in comfort.

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    4. Re:Am I the only one that... by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      i'd think the target market would be people who don't move it much around (hence, have a real mouse attached and have it in the desktop position most of the time) and don't usually need to haul it anywhere, but when yhey would have to (like once per month or even less often) they can take that computer with them.

      of course, the advantage over just having a laptop that you attach to a normal screen(and plug stuff into) isn't much. i guess in a case where a worker has to work one month at place a and then another month at place b and then returning to a for a month.. it could be useful/handy/comfortable to no t have the need for seperate screens and keyboards at both a and b to achive the non laptop feeling.

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    5. Re:Am I the only one that... by Soko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As tech savy users, you and I are willing to put up with the compromises of a laptop - screen and keyboard at a fixed distance, screen at a fixed height, etc. We understand how they are engineered and why those limitations exist. Yes, IBMs design adds a bit of complexity to a laptop, which isn't good. Or is it?

      A non-techie usually isn't willing to accept the limitations of a laptop - witness the amount of docking stations and extra perepherals bought by people who want a full size keyboard and an adjustable screen. I have seen very, very few docking stations that were reliable and inexpensive. Nothing like adding cost and complexity in the name of convenience, eh?

      This is an elegant way of simplifying the design for those who don't want to be limited by current laptop design. IMHO, simpler == better. I like what they've done - add a proper tilt to the keyboard, a USB keypad and there's really nothing else you need to have your PC and take it with you, too. Note that USB devices are intended to be hot-plugged - Linux and Windows (most flavours of it anyway) handle USB changes with elan.

      Now, I just need the $BLING$ to acquire one...

      Soko

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    6. Re:Am I the only one that... by los+furtive · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because when you're working at a desk (and not on your lap), it's nice when the keyboard isn't 2 inches away from the screen. It's also nice when the screen isn't at the same height as your nipples (applies to all sexes).

      I use my notebook as a desktop and wouldn't have it any other way, but to currently overcome the above limitations, I am forced to use a 17inch screen on a stand. By doing so the keyboard is nolonger right at the screen since I'm looking at a different screen. I don't bother using a second keyboard since I am rather fond of the tight layout of my notebook's keyboard.

      Those convertible notebooks seem to overcome these issues, without having to have extra peripherals. Now you CAN take it with you.

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    7. Re:Am I the only one that... by dlur · · Score: 4, Funny
      It's also nice when the screen isn't at the same height as your nipples (applies to all sexes).
      Why on earth would a 70 year old lady want to have the screen down by her knees? Don't you realize that old ladies have sagging eyesight as well as sagging...
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    8. Re:Am I the only one that... by Richthofen80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You obviously don't own a laptop. I support a company who has a large percentage (70%) of users who work from home/ have laptops. While in the office, everyone has a desktop. The idea that the dock goes with you, and can be set up anywhere, is the ideal situation. No more craning/aching while on the road, but the ability to set up in small places as well (airplanes).

      Almost nobody here has a laptop w/o a docking station/port replicator. the idea that it could be set up anywhere makes the office truly mobile.

      PS IBM makes a GREAT laptop. Their X series, including the X31, are incredible.

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    9. Re:Am I the only one that... by merlin_jim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      i guess in a case where a worker has to work one month at place a and then another month at place b and then returning to a for a month..

      Or how about a business or technology consultant. Many times I'll be at a client site, doing real work on site, for weeks at a time, on my laptop. Anything to make this situation a little more comfortable for me, I'm for it...

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    10. Re:Am I the only one that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also nice when the screen isn't at the same height as your nipples (applies to all sexes).

      Unless there's an integrated webcam in the screen, and some naughty techie installed automatic web publishing software when you weren't looking...

    11. Re:Am I the only one that... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you use your laptop a lot on travels, you'll appreciate the advantages of this model. The advantage doesn't show itself when you use on your lap, for example whilst in an airplane, but it does when you sit down in your hotel room or the client's office for a few hours of work. Most laptops are awful for prolonged work periods. Sure you can hook up an external keyboard to a regular laptop, but you'll have to lug it along all the time, and the screen remains at an awkward position.

      I need my data and applications in many different locations, and I hate having to lug around an extra keyboard, not to mention having to hunt around for a few thick books to prop my laptop on and bring the screen to a comfortable height. I'd love to have a laptop like this.

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    12. Re:Am I the only one that... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      There are three main parts to a computer system; input, display, and processor box. While laptops are great for putting all three pieces in a small package, it's not the best layout for comfortable computing. I like IBM's detachable, wireless keyboard. Makes sense, especially if they use the width of 17" computers for a full size keyboard.

      As for the screen contorting itself between laptop and desktop orientations, I'd prefer a detachable screen that could be set on a stand at the right height and attached to the laptop for mobile computing. Or a processor box that is dockable. You'd arrive at work or home and click your processor box onto your dock with it's desktop screen(s). When you want to go mobile, you'd have a portable screen that would click onto the processor box.

      Finally, you could leave the laptop as it is and create a dock that it could slide into, converting it into a desktop machine. This would finally work as laptop computers are fast enough for 90% of the users out there (how fast can you type into a word processor or an email program?).

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    13. Re:Am I the only one that... by b-baggins · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, the big market for this would be people who move their laptops daily between work and home.

      Plugging every thing every morning at work, unplugging it all at 5 and plugging it back in at home at 5:30, rinse and repeat five days a week is a pain in the butt, and buying two docking stations is an expensive solution.

      Additionally, that laptop has to sit somewhere on your desk while you've got all that stuff plugged into it. Put it under a stand, and you limit access to the CD-ROM. Set it off to the side, and you're using up valuable desk space.

      This design will be a big seller for companies that issue laptops to their employees. The slight additional cost of the laptop will be more than offset by not having to buy an external monitor for the employee to use when at work.

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    14. Re:Am I the only one that... by los+furtive · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why on earth would a 70 year old lady want to have the screen down by her knees?

      Let me add some emphasis to my previous comment:

      It's also nice when the screen isn't at the same height as your nipples (applies to all sexes).

      I liked the sagging eyesight part, funny :-)

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    15. Re:Am I the only one that... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      ...doesn't think this is original. Back in the 386-era I used a laptop which was slightly thicker than the norm, was as powerful as a desktop and had a detachable keyboard on a 2 metre cord. The new machine has a colour screen, a more modern spec and a slightly updated design style but it's hardly revolutionary...

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    16. Re:Am I the only one that... by tetra103 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call it a marvel of engineering achievement, but I do like the concept of bluring the laptop/desktop footprint. It's not for everyone, but I think it's a great concept.

      If I was to refine the design, I would lean it more towards a desktop. Give it a compact keyboard (ie: no numeric pad), but beef up the keys and don't worry so much about the laptop size of it. Think of it more as a portable, because if someone really wanted this thing for laptop features, they'd be buying a laptop. I think most people who do own laptops don't really use them on the road. They generally just like being able to lug their computer home everyday or take it on a trip. I think the market for this thing should be geared towards thin clients and not the coder on the road. The fact that you could pack the thing up easy and take it with you is a nice advantage for thin clients, road shows, or just plain remote mobile offices. I'm probably a minority, but I like the concept.

    17. Re:Am I the only one that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $1,999 to buy $1500 to fix when all of those movable parts break

    18. Re:Am I the only one that... by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because when you're working at a desk (and not on your lap), it's nice when the keyboard isn't 2 inches away from the screen.

      That's what a docking station is for, isn't it?

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    19. Re:Am I the only one that... by los+furtive · · Score: 1
      True. But with those IBM ones, you wouldn't even need a docking station.

      I can't justify the $280 that it would cost me for a docking station at the moment.

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    20. Re:Am I the only one that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And when you're visiting some other office, that docking station is where exactly?

      So i guess *whoosh*whoosh* is apropos?

    21. Re:Am I the only one that... by iocat · · Score: 2, Insightful
      A lot of people (not many who post on Slashdot, though) find having a PC a giant intrusion to their office or desk. It's ugly, it takes up too much desk space, they simply don't *like* the giant tower case, they've no need to ever upgrade, etc. For these people, laptops as desktops are a great option, and these new IBMs really speak to that trend. Sure, you can take them around, but it seems that their primary job is to be very small desktop computers.

      I used my thinkpad at work, home, travel, etc, and it would be neat to be able to put it on a desk when I'm at work (to get the typing angle comfortable, I usually have it on my lap when I am working with it). I'd buy one of these in a heartbeat.

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    22. Re:Am I the only one that... by clifgriffin · · Score: 1

      Currently I don't own one, but I've owned two and used them extensively. The detachable keyboard would be a plus, but I have so many spare keyboards, having a real keyboard at my disposal is quite easy.

      Especially since we are talking about using this in a desktop enviroment. I don't know about anyone else, but whether at home or work I could find a real keyboard that'd be a lot nicer than a detachable, shallow notebook keyboard.

      As far as docking stations, I've never found much use for them either. :)

      If you have something that needs a parellel port, I think you probably have something worthy of replacing. Not always possible, I'm sure...but not quite the neccessity in my situations.

    23. Re:Am I the only one that... by leifm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had a 600e a few months back, fairly old laptop, got it from eBay, beat to hell, worked perfect. I was very impressed with both the durability of the Thinkpad as well as the performance given the specs. I just got a Dell, but only because I can't afford(finance) a current Thinkpad.

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    24. Re:Am I the only one that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's right, they just did it on a whim, didn't do any market research or anything. You obviously know better.

    25. Re:Am I the only one that... by N1KO · · Score: 1

      It's cheaper than buying both a laptop and a desktop. You lose the easy upgrades but most people rarely upgrade their system, except for adding more memory.

      OTOH, this wouldn't be much use for me since i hate the way games/videos look on lcd screens... so I'd always keep a crt on my desk to do that stuff.

    26. Re:Am I the only one that... by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      It's also nice when the screen isn't at the same height as your nipples

      What? You can't see from your nipples???

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    27. Re:Am I the only one that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but I can justify 2200 for a laptop that is a desktop.

    28. Re:Am I the only one that... by MoneyT · · Score: 1

      Easily.

      2,200 for the laptop/desktop - 280 for the docking station = 1,920 for a laptop that can be used as both a laptop and a desktop model computer anywhere at anytime without having to find or bring a dock. That's worth it in my book.

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    29. Re:Am I the only one that... by mausmalone · · Score: 1

      The point of it is that if you're at a desk, you can expand it to make it "feel" more like a desktop computer, though it still has all the proprietary chinciness of an IBM thinkpad.

      I really wish that IBM would make good with the whole MetaPad, but they sold it to some other company who's gonna take the project named Antelope, but their site has disappeared, so maybe they're dead. Now that was innovative. :)

      As in, the metapad was innovative, not Antelope dying.... really.

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    30. Re:Am I the only one that... by ee_moss · · Score: 1

      So, on the topic of nipples, why is it that both guys and girls have them? I mean, they're downright useless to the guys. But extra useful for the girls, in my opinion. Anybody have any insights?

    31. Re:Am I the only one that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fails to see the use of this? No! I don't either. If you can't live without a desktop, then how about just carrying a REAL KEYBOARD, and slide a book under the notebook, to gain those precious few inches of height. I guess some people don't realize they have a notebook bag.

    32. Re:Am I the only one that... by Morel · · Score: 1


      You need to talk to Uncle Cecil, mate. See this.

      Cheers,

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    33. Re:Am I the only one that... by anonymous+loser · · Score: 1
      You obviously don't own a laptop. I support a company who has a large percentage (70%) of users who work from home/ have laptops. While in the office, everyone has a desktop. The idea that the dock goes with you, and can be set up anywhere, is the ideal situation. No more craning/aching while on the road, but the ability to set up in small places as well (airplanes).

      Gee, I work at home and have been more than happy working from a laptop exclusively for the past 3-4 years. I honestly don't have a need for IBM's design. What's the point of detaching the keyboard, or tilting the screen from side to side? Even if I'm at a desktop, the screen is going to be pointed towards my body, as is the keyboard, so the ability to move them around a little bit in relation to one another buys me nothing at all except a higher price tag.

      That being said, I am planning on buying a new desktop soon so I can play Half-Life 2 in all its glory, but if my current laptop had the graphics capabilities of a Radeon 9800 I certainly wouldn't bother.

    34. Re:Am I the only one that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up... ...it's cool

  4. So it's a laptop by fuzzix · · Score: 3, Funny

    which can be configured to take up more of my desk space?
    How useful. Excuse me while I rush out to purchase one.

    1. Re:So it's a laptop by BillyZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a laptop that can be configured into a more comfortable usable position once you get to the hotel your staying at on your business trips. I don't know about you, but @ 6'3" I don't particularly like hunching over a laptop everytime I'm not at my office to work at my desktop.

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    2. Re:So it's a laptop by aborchers · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At first I thought my technolust was just fueled by the stylishness and because-we-can appeal of this thing, but then I realized it would have a very real advantage to me:

      I have an ANSI spec workstation desk at home with a drop-down keyboard tray. The tray must be in the down position to be comfortable, and it is not wide enough to hold a notebook. Ergo, this kind of machine would be great for the road and for a console on my desktop.

      Of course buying a new desk or higher chair would probably still be cheaper!

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    3. Re:So it's a laptop by gpinzone · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and you're going to go through the trouble of taking it apart and then putting it back together again every time you use your laptop instead of just closing it up and putting it away.

    4. Re:So it's a laptop by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      duh, get a 17 in Powerbook. yow uses it...oh wait, that would be mini me, yow uses the 12 in version.

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    5. Re:So it's a laptop by BillyZ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your statements lead me to conclude, perhaps falsly, that you don't travel on business much. Folks who travel and must work, answer e-mail, reasearch etc while on the road; I think will like the ability to both do some work in the airport in the normal laptop configuration, but once they get back to the hotel they can re-arang it a little bit to make the most out of typicaly uncomfortable chairs in tiny rooms when they have a couple hours of work to do while there.

      I don't the intention of these designs to be "desktop replacements". To me, I think their intention would be a more flexible laptop.

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    6. Re:So it's a laptop by onyxruby · · Score: 1

      Try this Grandtec keyboard. It's full size, mini available, rolls up into a small bundle, and easily stuffs into your notebook bag. I've traveled extensively with mine, and am quite happy with it (no association with co).

    7. Re:So it's a laptop by Dr.+Smeegee · · Score: 1

      The re-arang being, of course, a "slow" orang-utan.

    8. Re:So it's a laptop by John_Booty · · Score: 1

      Try this Grandtec keyboard. It's full size, mini available, rolls up into a small bundle, and easily stuffs into your notebook bag. I've traveled extensively with mine, and am quite happy with it (no association with co).

      I have one of those, and it's virtually impossible to type on for any extended period of time. It's possibly the worst typing surface ever created. Sort of like those old membrane keyboards on the Atari 400, except... mushy.

      However, it really is cool-looking, and can indeed be rolled-up for travel. I have one next to my TV , hooked to the living room computer that I play downloaded anime/movies and MAME on through the TV-out. For something like that, this is a good keyboard. For typing more than three words a day on it would be a nightmare. YMMV.

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    9. Re:So it's a laptop by gpinzone · · Score: 1

      I hope you'll think of me when you forget to pack part of your laptop and are stuck in the airport with a non-functioning computer. I'll be the one laughing my ass off.

    10. Re:So it's a laptop by BigBir3d · · Score: 1

      This configuration from IBM appears to be of a one piece design. One thing IBM does understand is corporate customers working on the road. They might not make sexy looking machines, but they always deliver the goods on being usable for their particular niche.

    11. Re:So it's a laptop by iocat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the ThinkPad actually looks pretty great. I have a new R40, and a 1000-year-old 386 one I bought for $20 to serve Apple II .dsk images, and it's amazing how at first glance they look the same, but when you look closer the design has really evolved a ton. It isn't a machine that calls attention to itself, but everything about it seems very well thought out. A PowerBook may *look* better, and a Dell or Alienware may be flashier, but having tested a lot of them, I have to say the ThinkPad works better than any of them.

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    12. Re:So it's a laptop by BillyZ · · Score: 1

      besides the fact that forgetting to "pack" the keyboard would leave a gaping hole in the structure and therefore I would see hard to not notice... it would, assuredly, not happen any more often than one forgets to pack the power adapter or spare battery...

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    13. Re:So it's a laptop by John+Harrison · · Score: 1
      Admittedly the article was poorly written, but if you read it closely you'll see that there were two computers being shown. One is a single piece laptop and the other is a desktop that has two peices but can fold up like a laptop. With the T40 based laptop there will be no way of forgetting the keyboard, and you can use it as a traditional laptop as well. I fail to see the disadvantage.

      You can go ahead and laugh, but I wouldn't be surprised if in 5 years most of the computers sold are of this type. This design rectifies my only complaint about my T21, which is that the screen is too low.

  5. Transformers by orpheus2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm getting two, an IBM and Dell, and then I'm putting an autobot sign on my IBM and a decepticon on my Dell. At night, they'll battle for supremecy!

    1. Re:Transformers by kurosawdust · · Score: 3, Funny
      OK Check it...hook them both up to a network and load SETI@Home on each. Then write a script that will check at the end of the day which of them has completed more SETI units and have that one play some trash-talking sound files to the other. (bonus points if you work some lego mindstorms in there to actually physically whoop up on the lesser computer)

      [Super bonus points if you get one of them to change into an eighteen-wheeler and star in a cartoon]

    2. Re:Transformers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Super bonus points if you get one of them to change into an eighteen-wheeler and star in a cartoon]


      Damn, would anyone believe that just as you said "eighteen-..." that I had a flashback of an eighteen-year-old barely nude teen? I was like, oh yea the IBM errm DELL turns into an eighteen-year-old barely nude teen and *BLOWS* the other one [to smitherines, I mean]. :(

  6. This looks cool, but... by vacaboca · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...as a constant laptop user, I'm not sure I like the concept of having the thing able to break into pieces by design.

    1. Re:This looks cool, but... by whiteranger99x · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...as a constant laptop user, I'm not sure I like the concept of having the thing able to break into pieces by design.

      Lemme guess, you dont have kids, do you? ;)

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    2. Re:This looks cool, but... by DrEldarion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, say you dropped your laptop and the screen snapped off. Would you rather have to send it in for repairs or just pop it back on?

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    3. Re:This looks cool, but... by repetty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lemme guess... You don't buckle your seatbelt so that you can be thrown to saftey from a potential car wreck.

    4. Re:This looks cool, but... by WhytTiger · · Score: 1

      Actually, there are two designs, one that is a "desktop" that is essentially like a new I-Mac with the computer as a part of the screen base, with the keyboard/mouse plugging into that. The other design is the "laptop" that can be folded out further to look more like a desktop. it seems to me that the desktop isn't really designed to be portable, but just to take up less space, while the laptop is designed to be portable, but have more of the form of a desktop setup.

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  7. What's the point? by Xpilot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just because the screen is propped up a bit and the keyboard detached, it's still a notebook, with a cramped keyboard, missing mouse, practically unupgradable interior.

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    1. Re:What's the point? by Junado · · Score: 1

      We must also add that the room theses features will take (I think about the covers for the keyboard plus that arm that holds the screen) either makes the laptop bigger or takes place for some more useful upgrades, room you'd want to spare on something more useful in a desktop replacement laptop such as more RAM, a good video chipset, or anything else...

      So! We have a big laptop that could be small, with some neat features for thoses who want to look "cool"... with a higher price.

    2. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plug in an external keyboard and mouse, and you're good to go at home.

      Unplug it and collapse everything down, and you can use it on a plane. For millions of people, that's worth trading away the ability to do internal upgrades.

      Some people leave their homes and offices and appreciate the ability to take their computer with them. Obviously, you're not one of them.

    3. Re:What's the point? by Sheridan · · Score: 1
      I'd definitely use one of these - I am already used to the keyboard on my (work) laptop, and much prefer the IBM trackpoint "nipple" mouse to a normal rodent (my hands never have to stray far from the keyboard. I don't find either cramped or inconvenient.

      (veering slightly off-topic for a moment) In fact, I'm considering a keyboard with a trackpoint type mouse for my home box, something like this one. Especially if it has a similar feel to the IBM laptop trackpoints... The only downside is that it seems to have only two mouse buttons, and I hate chording those things (the thinkpad I'm using at the moment has 3). It also has the real buckling spring action of the old IBM type M keyboards, which I also love the feel of.

      (back on-topic) The unupgradeable interior is the biggest problem though, but aren't laptops getting better in this regard these days? Admittedly, you're never going to be able to throw in the latest, greatest graphics card or other random hardware, but I've never really gone for that on my home (desktop) PC either. Maybe I don't play enough graphics intensive games anymore...

    4. Re:What's the point? by TheCrazyFinn · · Score: 1

      IBM Sells an UltraNav Keyboard. Which has both a Trackpad and a Trackpoint, complete with 3 buttons. No Windows keys either.

      http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet /P roductDisplay?catalogId=-840&langId=-1&partNumber= 31P8950&storeId=1

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    5. Re:What's the point? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
      So what you are saying that a laptop still isn't a desktop. Well damn, you are right. Hell when are they going to make a laptop like my current desktop that is what I wanna know.

      I mean seriously my desktop is a dual processor, very nice when you want it to respond NOW. It gots a 1.5tb storage (HD are cheaper for me then burning to dvd, damn dvd tax). It got a 22inch monitor and a 19 inch one. It als got 5.1 sound. Stupid IBM for making just a stupid laptop that has none of these laptop essentials and instead focusing on making the laptop a little bit more pleasant to use.

      I like this machine. It will probably be way to expensive for me but I like it. I had to work on a company owned laptop for a long time and they are a pain to use for any length of time. This baby would have been a lot more pleasant.

      As for a mouse. Yeah they are real easy to use while on the move. Now if someone came up with a nice integrated trackball (or clickon), but then I seem to be the only one who likes those.

      Good work IBM keep it up, you are rapidly turning into one of the most fun and geek friendly companies around.

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    6. Re:What's the point? by RevMike · · Score: 1
      When we got the IBM ThinkPad 600 at work several years ago, most people gave up their CRTs. The LCD display was sharp, and large enough to use as the everyday display. I sat my laptop on a $50 keyboard drawer and then used a full size keyboard while attached.

      Since then I've had a 600E, a T22, and a T30. They keep getting better. GO IBM.

    7. Re:What's the point? by guapo42 · · Score: 1

      Ever use an IBM laptop? their keyboards are quite nice.
      Full sized keys (including backspace), no windows key, and even the arrow keys in the right place, ie. separated from the rest of the keyboard. They also have a solid feel to them. I think detaching the keyboard is the next logical step in making their laptop keyboards as good as their desktop ones.

      The trackpoint (read eraser tip) is also quite nice. They've spent a lot of time to make it feel right.

      Though you are right about the un-upgradable interior, but Ion runs quite nicely on my 2+ year old T21 thank-you-very-much:)

    8. Re:What's the point? by bellings · · Score: 1

      Who the hell upgrades the interior of their machine?

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    9. Re:What's the point? by sahala · · Score: 1
      veering slightly off-topic for a moment) In fact, I'm considering a keyboard with a trackpoint type mouse for my home box, something like this one. Especially if it has a similar feel to the IBM laptop trackpoints... The only downside is that it seems to have only two mouse buttons, and I hate chording those things (the thinkpad I'm using at the moment has 3). It also has the real buckling spring action of the old IBM type M keyboards, which I also love the feel of.

      I was introduced to the trackpoint when given a thinkpad laptop for work back in 2000. I prefer it to any other pointing device (except for games and precise pixel work). Since then I've started using the same for my desktop systems and it's pretty useful. I've got two of the keyboards you're talking about and they work fine. It almost feels weird when I use a keyboard without one.

  8. Innovation? by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not so much sure I'd call IBM innovators here. These concepts have been around for a long time before IBM

    For example, the Atari laptop which looked in the same form factor as current ones. IBM Stole that design and produced its first thinkpad. Soon after, Apple stole the design again and produced the first Powerbook

    Odd who gets the credit isn't it? It's Apple.

    1. Re:Innovation? by BorgDrone · · Score: 1

      Atari was first with the tablet PC too (called the STylus)

      Yes, another real 'innovation' by microsoft.

    2. Re:Innovation? by cosmo7 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple must have been using their time machine:

      Powerbook: October 1991
      ThinkPad: October 1992

      The STacy has "the same form factor" in as much as it is a clamshell design, which had already been done by Toshiba.

    3. Re:Innovation? by BMonger · · Score: 1

      Apple must have been using their time machine:

      Which they stole from me as I'll be inventing it in about 20 years. Or so I told myself the other day when I came back.

    4. Re:Innovation? by bigjocker · · Score: 1

      Didn't yourself told you that you shared the technical specs on Kazaa 2023 by mistake and IBM started producing time machines for everyone?

      They didn't steal it, everyione is buying one. You don't have any idea how many times I have beaten the crap out of Darl McBride when he was on high school using mine.

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    5. Re:Innovation? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      You don't have any idea how many times I have beaten the crap out of Darl McBride when he was on high school using mine.

      You realise it's your fault he turned out the way he did, don't you?

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    6. Re:Innovation? by Reverberant · · Score: 1
      For example, the Atari laptop which looked in the same form factor as current ones. IBM Stole that design and produced its first thinkpad. Soon after, Apple stole the design again and produced the first Powerbook

      Odd who gets the credit isn't it? It's Apple.

      Apple isn't credited for the clamshell design, IIRC the clamshell design had appeared a couple of times before the first Powerbook. Apple is usually credited with the palmrest design that has come standard on many (not all) laptops since.

    7. Re:Innovation? by rootofevil · · Score: 1

      actually the credit for this one i have to give to the outbound laptop (detachable parts and all)

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    8. Re:Innovation? by LVWolfman · · Score: 1

      Atari was a bit late to the game with that format though.

      Commodore made what is probably the first clamshell notebook in 1984 and showed it at Winter CES in January of 1985. While Commodore never sold it to the general public, the Atari Stacy looked similar when it came out almost five years later.

      Toshiba released the T-1200 clamshell notebook in 1987 and made it through 1992. It even had a resume feature and an internal 1200 baud modem.
      From a little research (maybe 30 minutes) this morning, the Toshiba T-1200 and the Datavue (Dataview?) Spark were the first true clamshell laptops released to the public (using the now standard form factor). Both were released in 1987.

      Back in the very early 90's (like 90-91 or so) I picked up a USED Toshiba (or was it NEC?) clamshell laptop. It was an XT based, with a 2 (or 2.5") internal 720K floppy drive (used the same disks as the later Canon Zapshot) and 2MB of ram (1.4MB configured as as drive d:, and DOS in ROM. This was the thinist laptop I've ever seen,with maybe the exception of the Toshiba Portege. They also had a model that included a tiny hard drive in the 20MB range instead of the floppy drive. I loved this computer, especially the keyboard which was pretty much identical to those in the latest Thinkpads and Powerbooks.

      Later examples, all predating Apple's first Powerbook (which was released in October 1991) are:

      Amastrad PPC 512 in 1988, Atari Stacy in September 1989, Apple Macintosh Portable in 1989, Apple Powerbook 100 in October 1991.

      And let's not forget the Toshiba T100-X Dynapad in 1993. That's the first TabletPC... ran Windows 3.1 and the Microsoft Pen OS.

      You can find a lot of this at http://www.old-computers.com in their Museum.

      >>For example, the Atari laptop which looked in the same form factor as current ones. IBM Stole that design and produced its first thinkpad. Soon after, Apple stole the design again and produced the first Powerbook

  9. i'll stick to a powerbook by lavaface · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the detachable keyboard is kind of neat, but if I want to turn a notebook into a desktop, I'll attach a VGA monitor and use a seperate bluetooth keyboard and mouse. I'm sorry, but origami or no, Apple has IBM beat hands down in the elegant engineering dept.

    1. Re:i'll stick to a powerbook by sharrestom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I agree with your statement, it is also fair to note that IBM's customers are generally corporate, and much more conservative than the creative market that Apple caters to, so, I suspect that Jonathan Ives, were he working for IBM, would have to tone down his designs considerable. I do recall that IBM created a cool split keyboard design for the ThinkPad that was very innovative, although it was abandoned fairly quickly, due to cost I suspect.

    2. Re:i'll stick to a powerbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. you state a horribly inelegant option that's required to do the same with an Apple, then go on to state Apple beat IBM in elegant engineering?

      Take a look at your zealotry.

    3. Re:i'll stick to a powerbook by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1
      I'll attach a VGA monitor and use a seperate bluetooth keyboard and mouse
      I'd like to see you haul all that extra crap around on your business trips so that you can work comfortably in your hotel room. You probably fly business class, so this VGA monitor doesn't put you over your baggage weight allowance?
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    4. Re:i'll stick to a powerbook by z_gringo · · Score: 1

      The thinkpad split keyboard was abandoned because it was a space saving tool. Once the LCD screen sizes became larger than the fully expanded butterfly keyboard, the split keyboards were no longer necessary.

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    5. Re:i'll stick to a powerbook by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      My desktop has two monitors. The GPU in the Powerbook can drive two monitors. Why, then, does it only have one DVI port? I would love to be able to plug both monitors into my Powerbook (and disable the LCD) when I'm at home.

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    6. Re:i'll stick to a powerbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think using a redundant monitor and keyboard is "elegant engineering"? Maybe if your goal was computing as opposed to buying into the cliche of "thinking different" you would have a different opinion.

    7. Re:i'll stick to a powerbook by boudie · · Score: 0

      Only if the Power Book was running Gentoo PPC Linux. Then it would really bitch slap the Stinkpad.

    8. Re:i'll stick to a powerbook by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      if I want to turn a notebook into a desktop, I'll attach a VGA monitor and use a seperate bluetooth keyboard and mouse.

      So you carry a VGA monitor and bluetooth keyboard around with you on business trips?

      A notebook computer already HAS a display and a keyboard. It's redundant to add duplicates of those parts to such a computer to make it suitable for prolonged desktop use.

  10. It's still as annoying as a laptop. by gpinzone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just because you can detach the keyboard doesn't mean it magically becomes a desktop computer. You still can't do things like slap in a Radeon 9800 Pro, the keyboard is still small, you still have to plug in a mouse, etc.

    1. Re:It's still as annoying as a laptop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > you still have to plug in a mouse

      As opposed to those nice convenient desktops, where you never plug in a mouse

    2. Re:It's still as annoying as a laptop. by watzinaneihm · · Score: 1

      This probably is aimed at large customers so that they can give this to their employees. At office you have a desktop, proper eye-screen distance, proper keyboard etc. And when you go home you can take it with you and set it up at home. Also probably useful for all those people who move their laptop only once or twice like probably small shops where the propreiter could use it as a billing machine or something and in the evening take it home.
      I dont suppose IBM really intends it to be used extensively used on the move.You really cannot walk into a coffe shop and start setting up the monitor on the table.
      And you are right , it is a desktop if it is not upgradeable.

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    3. Re:It's still as annoying as a laptop. by mbbac · · Score: 2, Informative
      you still have to plug in a mouse, etc.
      No, you don't. Microsoft makes a set too.
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    4. Re:It's still as annoying as a laptop. by Abreu · · Score: 1

      As opposed to those nice convenient desktops, where you never plug in a mouse

      You plug in your mouse every time you use your desktop computer?

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    5. Re:It's still as annoying as a laptop. by Gilmoure · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Majority of users (especially in business) wouldn't know a Radeon 9800 if they woke up next to one in bed. All they do is run Office, email, web browser, and IM apps. They might have some database front end app but that's about it. Laptops are more than powerful enough for all that.

      This is the real problem that the industry has run into; 1GHz is fast enough for most users. Even XP hasn't dulled it's edge too much. Hell, where I'm at, we're planning on replacing all computers 300Mhz and lower. That's about 3/4's of the machines we cover. Why are we using such slow machines? Win/Office 98 does everything the users need. It's real hard to justify to management the upgrading of every computer every 2-3 years. Our 5 year cycle seems to work out for us. Now, if you need workstation power (scientific/engineering modeling, graphic/video production, programming/compiling, etc.) you are on a 2 year cycle.

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  11. The Point by diesel66 · · Score: 1, Informative

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    To get to this point, IBM simply took the simple black box that opens like a clamshell but added a foldable layer to a hinge that elevates the screen to a level that desktop PC users would find comfortable, the IBM officials explained. This new idea, which Hill described as an "Origami-design for laptops," let's the user think of the laptop as a radical new desktop replacement. But conversely, just as laptops can be considered desktops, the desktop can also be considered to be a laptop as illustrated by the second design.

    With this model, the monitor is folding up from the base using a similar hinge feature but this time the keyboard detaches and, for instance, could be operated via a Bluetooth connection. When fully closed, both new versions keep the T40 close to its current size and weight while adding a slight premium to the cost.

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    1. Re:The Point by xigxag · · Score: 1

      Even more to the point, don't read the article, just look at the picture.

      And oh, it's a prototype.

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    2. Re:The Point by hype7 · · Score: 1
      there was one interesting bit to the article.

      And one of the hallmarks of IBM design is that it is purposeful. It is sort of a timeless approach to design. It's modernism at its ultimate. It doesn't really go in or out of style. It's always there.


      Hmm. Yeah. Kind of like a brick.

      Which is appropriate, because that's what comes to mind whenever someone mentions the work "ThinkPad" to me.

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  12. Fewer desktops, more laptops by scottganyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Truth is that more and more, people are buying laptops instead of desktops. Just about every computer (desktop or laptop) on the market today is capable of efficiently performing every task the average user asks of it. So, I think for most people it comes down to price and versatility. And, while laptops are more expensive, they have been dropping in price significantly and there is no question that they are easily more versatile.

    IBM et al are just taking the laptop to the next level by allowing it to (somewhat, at least) "transform" into a desktop system. I think it makes a lot of sense...

    1. Re:Fewer desktops, more laptops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More versatile?!?!?

      Whose definition are you using? I mean both a laptop and a desktop can be moved, though it is much easier to do so with a laptop. I have not seen many laptops have any significant upgrade path. Usually, the best you can do is a bigger hard drive. PCMCIA slots just do not have all the peripherals that PCI slots can take. I have never seen a laptop with a fiber channel card in it. I have never seen a laptop with a RAID or disk array attached to it (accept for diagnosing the controller). I have never seen a laptop with a 4-port serial card in it. I have never seen a laptop with more than one wired network port on it (unless you count a modem). I have never seen a laptop with a video capture card in it. I have never seen a laptop with a jukebox of any kind on it. I have never seen a laptop with very high performance graphics capability. I have never seen a laptop with four or even two processors.

      For that matter, why would you want these things on a laptop? The primary selling points for laptops involve mobility, weight, and size. They are not meant for all of the applications that rack-mounted or desktop equipment is meant to do.

    2. Re:Fewer desktops, more laptops by CowBovNeal · · Score: 1

      Right on.
      I am a laptop convert for the past few months now. Prior to this laptop, I've had 7 desktops and while I was in college, I had a kickass desktop. I just wish I had a laptop in college. Would have been manna.
      I have a desktop but that is only for printing or HalfLife/CS. I maybe use it once every 2 or 3 weeks.
      The screen quality of this laptop is simply amazing. Crystal clear text.
      I have wanted a laptop for so long and I was not at all disappointed when I got my first one.
      I now use it for 10 hours a day and love it.

      For those looking to get a laptop, don't think twice. Get a good brand. You will be pleased with your investment.

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    3. Re:Fewer desktops, more laptops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By versatile, he meant that they have more uses, and are more convenient (i.e. the dictionary definition of the word). Laptops definately fit this category.

    4. Re:Fewer desktops, more laptops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except you look like a tosser if you sit in class with a laptop. Then you get knocked over the head, and have it stolen when you leave class.

      But despite this, I rarely use a desktop, and occasionally take my laptop to university.

  13. Nothing new... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've had one of these IBM Convertibles for ages! Sorry to see they're planning to lose the widescreen LCD in the new revision... :-)

    1. Re:Nothing new... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, this is the funniest post all day... What is even funnier is that it was scored 4 as informative.

    2. Re:Nothing new... by rikomatic · · Score: 1

      I miss the old Thinkpad 701 with the butterfly keyboard. Now THAT was origami.

  14. It looks good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd love to put that thing on my desktop! Neat design that you can adjust after what mood you're in :)

  15. What I would like to see.. by CausticWindow · · Score: 1

    Is a laptop where you can bend the screen all the way to the back, so that if you got one of those snazzy Dell X300's, it's essentially a "pad" computer with a keyboard on the back.

    I use my x300 like this now, and it's almost like reading a book (it's light enough), but the screen is missing some degrees from going all the way to the back.

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    1. Re:What I would like to see.. by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      a laptop where you can bend the screen all the way to the back

      One of these you mean?

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    2. Re:What I would like to see.. by CausticWindow · · Score: 1

      Ah.. excellent, thanks. Didn't know they existed.

      All laptops should have this option, it's just simple mechanics.

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  16. Wow! by jetkust · · Score: 5, Funny

    A desktop computer at the price of a laptop! Where can I buy!!?

    1. Re:Wow! by cybermace5 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'd be happy to get a comparable desktop and LCD screen for the price some of these laptops go for.

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  17. This isn't new... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

    It's about 17 years late...
    Ever heard of the IBM PC Convertible?

    1. Re:This isn't new... by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of the IBM PC Convertible?
      Why yes, yes I have. It was about ten minutes before your post.

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    2. Re:This isn't new... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well since it's been done before, there's obviously no point into researching and developing a new one!

  18. From the article by Hieronymus+Howard · · Score: 1, Funny

    The article claims that this is a radically new design that allows them to fold the laptop into a notebook replacement.

    Wow! A laptop PC that turns into a notebook PC. This must surely win Big Blue the 'Microsoft Award for Great Innovation'.

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  19. If they had any confidence... by mbbac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...they'd be shipping these now instead of showing prototypes like a bunch of cowards.

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  20. Transformers by martinthebrit · · Score: 4, Funny

    I want the one that transforms into Optimus Prime.

  21. Thank God it's not the PC Convertable! by salesgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I saw the headline for the article, this atrocity came to mind immediately.

    Thank goodness it's actually a great idea - a computer that I can take on the road and actually enjoy using. looks a little larger than a traditional notebook, though.

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    1. Re:Thank God it's not the PC Convertable! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think those are bad, I have one of these monsters. My left arm is twice the size of my right from carrying it through airports.

    2. Re:Thank God it's not the PC Convertable! by sinserve · · Score: 1

      Well, you shouldn't have switched arms every once in a while.

  22. It's a Transformer! by Uncle+Op · · Score: 1
    Face it: computers may be a tool, but we also know that they are - for adult geeks - adult toys. So this is our version of a Transformer. See how it folds and unfolds? There's a huge sensory win when you work with a well-engineered tool, whether it's a pocket knife, computer, or some clever toy. All the big computer folk should be taking a more serious look at "kid" toys and vice versa.

    I still remember seeing my first PCMCIA modem card; it had a great little spring-loaded port for the phone cable. So it wasn't terribly robust, but it was a great hack. Which made it more interesting - as a toy - to play with.

    When the laptops come with a built in green laser and the software to seemlessly - and wirelessly - make use of front and rear projection TV is ready for the masses, then these toys can be even more useful. In fact, when your car has a BlueTooth transmitter for the engine computer, you'll be able to bond it to your laptop or PDA. It really will be a transformer, as your computer melds in and out of your vehicle!

  23. huh? by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1
    According to the article, "...a radically new design that allows them to fold the laptop into a notebook replacement. "

    I always thought a laptop WAS a notebook? Why would I want to replace my notebook computer with a laptop computer?

  24. Compare it to your stereo by markus_baertschi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    During years a stereo was a big piece of electronics stacked up in a rack with each device in a separate enclosure. The entire thing was big and expensive, but powerful and upgradeable. The same thing smaller was available too, but more expensive and difficult to upgrade due to the non-standard form factor.

    Today most of the stereos are the compact, all-in-one variety. If you want something else you'll have to go to a high-end shop, the average discount store doesn't carry the expensive stuff anymore.

    The same thing happens now to PC's too. I'll bet that in ten years 90% of the PC's sold are compact all-in-ones. Maybe you can detach the keyboard or the screen (like you can detach the speakers on some compact stereos) but it will be similar to todays laptops. If you need a bigger [CPU|memory|disk] you'll buy a new one and pass the old one to your [mother|son|buddy].

    I like the second model shown, the detachable keyboard is nice and the base is short enough that you can place it in front (not on top).

    Markus

    1. Re:Compare it to your stereo by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      Today most of the stereos are the compact, all-in-one variety.

      They always were, my grandparents generation had a radiogram, my parents generation had a music center, mine had a midi system, kidsnow have micro system. All that changed is the size.

      If you want something else you'll have to go to a high-end shop, the average discount store doesn't carry the expensive stuff anymore.

      Separates aren't that expensive. Tens of pounds per bit overe here, so a complete system is no more than a good quality all-in-one thingie.

      Of course, if you go into one of the HiFi places they'll sell you green marker pens, oxygen free copper wire and other voodoo which ups the price a bit.

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    2. Re:Compare it to your stereo by markus_baertschi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I used to be Hi-Fi technician in the late seventies, most of the stereos we sold were the racked variety. There were some compacts too, but most were cumbesome. (Bang and Olufsen had nice compacts, but at a price).

      One mayor difference is that some of the basic building blocks for PC 'compacts' are more expensive (LCD vs CRT, mobile vs desktop CPU, etc). This was/is not the same with stereos.

      Markus

    3. Re:Compare it to your stereo by rtechie · · Score: 1

      A high-end shop like Circut City? That's where I bought my component stereo.

      What you're saying is simply wrong. All-in-one style computers have available for many, many, many, years. Look at the Macintosh, that was 1985. It directly competed against the modular IBMPC and the IBMPC won fora simple reason, price. And the modular design was a big part of that. Not only was the "sticker price" lower because you had fewer high-end parts (that could be added later!) but if a part failed, like the video card, you could easily replace it or upgrade it. This same reasoning is why the modular ATX desktops remain prevalent today and are likely to remain so for the near future. Look at what happened with the iMac. It was extensively copied byPC manufacturers hoping to capitalize on it's design. All of these we failures that have disappered from the market. Why? Beause the iMac succeeded mainly Because it was a cheap Mac, which is something Apple fans have been demanding for years.

      The conventional desktop isn't dead, not by a long shot. This is just a laptop that somewhat easier to use as a desktop. That's it.

  25. It's Black, It's Boxy by R.Caley · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It looks just like every other thinkpad.

    OK the screen pops up a bit and it has a detachable keybard, but it's hardly a radical new departure.

    What is it about computer an car designers which makes them so conservative? Even apple, who have a reputation as being inovative, really just produce things to the same tired designs, they just round off the corners and make them out of coloured plastic.

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    1. Re:It's Black, It's Boxy by FireBreathingDog · · Score: 1
      Even apple, who have a reputation as being inovative, really just produce things to the same tired designs, they just round off the corners and make them out of coloured plastic.

      I can't tell if the parent is supposed to be flamebait or not...

    2. Re:It's Black, It's Boxy by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      [link to wobbly neck iMac]

      Exactly what I mean. They glued a flat panel display to the top of a standard beige box. Then they said to themselves, `How can we make this more designer?'.

      Answer round off the corners and make it out of plastic. OK, they didn't bother with coloured plastic for this one.

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    3. Re:It's Black, It's Boxy by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      How is that a standard beige box? The computer itself is a dome with an LCD attached to it. I'd hardly call that a conservative design.

    4. Re:It's Black, It's Boxy by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
      Have you ever used a laptop for a long period of time? Yes? then you must have amazing posture or you would instantly see the revolution in this.

      Laptops are hell as ergonomic devices because they place the keyboard and the screen in totally the wrong places. This is of course because of the design.

      Revolutiun doesn't always have to be huge. See such little things as the scroll-wheel on a mouse. Or for that matter the replacement of the ball by a light in mice. Tiny changes but do you really want to go back?

      But here is a challenge for you. Come up with a radically different design for a laptop. It is not an unusual question. It is asked in design classes around the world. You will find that most of the designs that students come up with are certainly radical. Practical, rarely. Possible, even more rarely. Economical, Hahahaha.

      Industrial design is hard. As I said try it yourself. I always enjoy programs or shows where they show concept stuff. It always looks great and it is fun to speculate what if. Sadly I have yet to see any of it happen. We still use windows/kde/gnome in exactly the same way since the idea of windows came about. We still use pretty much the same input methods (what happened to speech to text?) and we have pretty much the same output.

      Oh well back to drooling over a laptop way way way out of my budget.

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    5. Re:It's Black, It's Boxy by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      How is that a standard beige box?

      It's what you get if you take a beige box, glue the monitor stand to the top, roundoff the corners and make it out of plastic.

      It's fairly conservative. It only seems not because the rest of the industry is even more conservative.

      A radical design might be to put all the componets in individual small boxes, let them communicate by a wireless protocol and scatter the boxes around the room as paperweights, bookends, wedges under wobbly desks etc. Or perhaps to produce a PC with no screen but a projection system or...

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    6. Re:It's Black, It's Boxy by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      Revolutiun doesn't always have to be huge. See such little things as the scroll-wheel on a mouse. Or for that matter the replacement of the ball by a light in mice. Tiny changes but do you really want to go back?

      I agree with what you say, it was not the fact that this was new and interesting, but the hype that it was revolutionary and exciting I was commenting on.

      In any case I was using mice with lights for years before I ever used one with a ball, so that is an example of the amazing conservatism of the Wintel and Apple world.

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    7. Re:It's Black, It's Boxy by despik · · Score: 1
      It's what you get if you take a beige box, glue the monitor stand to the top, roundoff the corners and make it out of plastic.

      Saying that the monitor stand is "glued" to the box suggests that it's static and immovable, which is hardly the case.

      A radical design might be to put all the componets in individual small boxes, let them communicate by a wireless protocol and scatter the boxes around the room as paperweights, bookends, wedges under wobbly desks etc.

      Very radical. I'm sure we all could use some more clutter in our rooms. Would you prefer to string power cords to each one of those boxes, or have them run on AA cells?

      It's easy to criticize "boring" industrial design, but it's harder to suggest something that actually works.

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  26. Am I the only one who likes this idea? by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a cool idea. When I get to the hotel room, I can set this up desktop style and be comfortable, yet when I need to do a quick
    e-mail check befopre I get on the plane I can. Anyone who uses a laptop can vouch for this, but a laptop screen isn't exactly adjustable. The ways you need to move it sometimes won't work out with a straight laptop. This idea will put the screen where you need it when you have the space (when your in one place for a few days). It also allows you to use it as you would a normal laptop. It's a great idea. Lots of people panned IBM's 701 laptop (butterfly keyboard) because of it's keyboard design, but those who used it, loved it. IBM also still makes the most robust laptops I ahve seen.

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    1. Re:Am I the only one who likes this idea? by Mr.+No+Skills · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not the only one, I like it too. I'm more of the "desktop replacement" laptop user than the "road warrior" laptop user (my Handspring Visor is much more usable as a portable device than a laptop). I'd like this setup instead of the multiple docking stations and monitors I have at the office and home.

      And, I agree with the IBM reliability comment as well. I loved my 701c, and it never crashed. If it wasn't for the 486 processor I would have used it a lot longer. It's reliability crushed the 4 laptops I've had since (that remain unnamed to protect the guilty) that seem to last at most a year and a half before they're dead or hopelessly crufted.

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  27. Fragility. by saintlupus · · Score: 1

    It'll be nice to see something that can actually break _faster_ than the butterfly keyboards on those Thinkpads back in the day.

    Nice idea, but I want a laptop that takes a beating.

    --saint

    1. Re:Fragility. by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

      We had 701's (butterfly keyboards) and these were given to students to use and they surprisingly had more OTHER issues other then the keyboards breaking. More LCD's broke then any other item on the laptop. Care to try again? I can see why people might be concerned. Same concern came up with the iLamp iMac, but I have not heard alot about these breaking.

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  28. Are these old or are these just concepts ? by ^avenger · · Score: 1
  29. Upgrading my IBM Laptop by eyepeepackets · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a happy owner of an IBM laptop/notebook PC for four years, these are the things I'm most interested in seeing in my next laptop/notebook (and you can be sure it will be an IBM):

    1. 16 or 17" UXGA LCD (preferrably 17")

    2. RAM expandable to 1 GB (graphics work eats RAM)

    3. Lighted keyboard

    4. Onboard LAN (both wire and wireless)

    5. CD/CDRW/DVD combo drive

    6. Minimum 60 GB HD internal

    7. Quality sound/graphics

    8. NO restrictions on what OS I choose to run

    I've seen the newer laptops from Sony/Toshiba, etc. but my experience tells me they aren't solid performers over time whereas my IBM machine has performed like the energizer bunny -- it just keeps on going (and going and going.)

    Save the fancy tricks, just give me a solid machine with the above listed items and I'll buy it.

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    1. Re:Upgrading my IBM Laptop by benogod · · Score: 1

      buy a powerbook

    2. Re:Upgrading my IBM Laptop by hogger · · Score: 1

      Here ya go:

      http://www.apple.com/powerbook/index17.html

      It doesn't pass your "no restrictions on what OS I run" criterion though, unless you run windows in a virtual PC. It will, however, run linux and osx fine.

    3. Re:Upgrading my IBM Laptop by zpok · · Score: 1

      not trying to troll you to death, but um, Apple?

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    4. Re:Upgrading my IBM Laptop by PhoenixK7 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Um, try Apple:

      1. 16 or 17" UXGA LCD (preferrably 17")

      got it

      2. RAM expandable to 1 GB (graphics work eats RAM)

      got it (up to 2 GB of DDR ram)

      3. Lighted keyboard

      got it (on 17" and 15" models)

      4. Onboard LAN (both wire and wireless)

      got it (802.11b/g on all powerbooks 12/15/17)

      5. CD/CDRW/DVD combo drive

      got it (well, dvd burner/cdrw/cd is standard)

      6. Minimum 60 GB HD internal

      got it (80 GB standard)

      7. Quality sound/graphics

      got it (radeon 9600 with 64 MB)

      8. NO restrictions on what OS I choose to run

      well, you can't run windows (natively) but you can certainly run OS X, Linux, Darwin, and a bunch of other operating systems

      Certainly you have to pay a pretty penny for one of these suckers ($3000 base) but hey, with what you're asking for all you really need to bump up is the ram (512mB DDR333 included).

    5. Re:Upgrading my IBM Laptop by PhoenixK7 · · Score: 1

      OK, the UXGA isn't satisfied but whatever (1440x900 widescreen). It has DVI out so you could hook up an external display. If you're going for those sorts of specs, you can probably afford an extra LCD.

    6. Re:Upgrading my IBM Laptop by scottme · · Score: 2, Informative

      With the exception of the screen, you get all of that list and more in today's ThinkPad T40. It goes up to 2GB RAM, has wired (Gigabit) and wireless (802.11b and g) Ethernet plus Bluetooth, 80GB disk, (externally) lighted keyboard, 64MB ATI Fire graphics, etc. And it will run Linux (though IBM doesn't offer it as a preload option).

      But the biggest, highest resolution screen you can get is 14", 1400x1050. Face it, a 17" screen is going to make any laptop a rather bulky and awkward thing - witness the 17" Powerbook. I can't see IBM doing it.

    7. Re:Upgrading my IBM Laptop by Robb · · Score: 1
      The ThinkPad A31p is similar to the T40p. It is heavier than the T series ThinkPads but it has a 15" screen with 1600x1200 and is a little more flexible in terms of expansion.

      Any bigger than the A series Thinkpads and it becomes rather awkward to carry them. I have an A30p and really appreciate the big screen but If I were to buy a new laptop it would probably be the Thinkpad T40p. My only annoyance is that the built-in modem doesn't work under Linux but the rest of the hardware works fine.

    8. Re:Upgrading my IBM Laptop by Louis · · Score: 1

      IBM doesn't offer 802.11g for any of their laptops yet.

  30. Re:None of the above... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see this thread heading straight to the comedy gas chamber ...

  31. Reminds me of the BOXX Conportable by raboofje · · Score: 1
    A couple of years ago, a company called BOXX presented the 'Conportable':

    http://boxx.net/product/computer.htm

    Looks even cooler imho (you have a laptop and a desktop *and* a 'web pad') - except I don't believe it ever hit the market. Still thrilled by the idea though.

  32. Windows keys by chiph · · Score: 1

    So, will the new models finally have the Windows(tm) keys on them? As a .NET developer, I use them all the time, especially the pop-up menu one. When I switch from my desktop to my Thinkpad, it's like I have cut off my pinky finger -- I know something is missing, but I'm not sure what -- only that things aren't right.

    Chip H.

    1. Re:Windows keys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows keys are for lamers.

    2. Re:Windows keys by ynohoo · · Score: 1

      Hell no, the windows key is a PITA, at least for FPS keyboarders. I like my old IBM keyboard.

      For getting at the desktop, just created a shortcut to Explorer and assign it a keyboard shortcut like alt-ctrl-E, which you can't hit by accident.

    3. Re:Windows keys by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      For those of us stuck using an actual, windows environment, the windows are a godsend. There are about a half-dozen shortcuts using it that I use on a regular basis, and I nearly go insane when using a machine without them. I've honestly never understood how people 'accidently' hit them so often. I'm a fairly serious gamer, and it's never been an issue for me. Oh well, to each their own.

  33. S'funny by kisrael · · Score: 1

    I just bought an Optimus Prime, the new Armada figure, 25% off at KayBee.

    Anyway, I think this is some excellent thinking...at work I use a laptop (long story, really I just wanted a damn flatscreen monitor, but those were considered luxury items...) but the laptops on a breakfast tray and I type on a seperate ergonomic keyboard beneath. What they're doing is aiming for a hyperportable desktop. The biggest sacrifice is possibly ease of setup.

    Heh, whatever happened to that fold out butterfly keyboard? That was a pretty good idea for its time as well.

    Anyway, it's funny hearing 'em talk about a consistency of visual design ala Porsche. One thing about thinkpads, they've been consistently ugly for a decade. Usually sturdy, but always ugly, just something about the flat black, squared edges, and bright red.

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  34. Step in Right Direction by 4of12 · · Score: 1

    I like that IBM is thinking about ergonomic design and ways of getting a laptop to possess more of the features that people like about desktops.

    But I wouldn't stop at a hinge that pushes the display up a few inches.

    Why not make the keyboard, mouse and display easily detachable (with retracting flexible connector cords), so that you have a choice of putting it on your lap and typing away at the airport, or arranging the parts on a conventional desk, putting the keyboard just above lap height, the mouse 6 inches to the side, and good sized monitor (maybe 19") so that level sight hits the middle?

    It's a shame that docking stations have to exist. The portable should support all of the same functionality without needing some extra docking station.

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    1. Re:Step in Right Direction by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Did you read the whole article, there are 2 new laptops, one with just the special screen, and the other also has a detachable keyboard. Now detachable mouse would be nice too, but would be very difficult to achieve properly.

  35. What's the deal... by javatips · · Score: 0

    ... I'm already running a desktop on my laptop!

  36. Here's why these are neat.... by technogogo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some European countries have laws about workstation ergonomics. They require companies to provide a workstation that can be adjusted for comfort. Screen height is one of the criteria deemed important, so you are sat with a bent neck for long periods. So if these are the only laptops that can meet European ergonomic regulations my guess is they will sell extremely well. Companies need them to make hotdesking even more affordable yet without breeching regulations.

  37. Its a Desktop by Omega44 · · Score: 1

    Its about time that one of the major computer makers made took this leap. Computers have been getting smaller and smaller while the performance gap between laptops and PC's has been fading away. IBM has reaffirmed itself as the industry leader with this move.

  38. It's OK, but.... by pkkell0 · · Score: 1

    It's OK I guess.... I mean, if people are going to buy it then kudos to IBM. Just don't really think it was so important it should be on slashdot.... anyways, maybe it was a slow news day...

  39. i'm waiting for this: by leery · · Score: 1

    HUD monitor + virtual keyboard and mouse pad + a small brick/carrying case (or even a palmtop) for the guts and ports

    = no external moving parts
    = desktop, laptop, bellytop, grasstop, beach-towel-top, anywhere-top?

    make the HUD wireless and it'd be my dream portable

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  40. Misleading Headline by Robb · · Score: 1
    This is essentially a more flexible laptop not a desktop replacement. I travel a lot and frequently work onsite with my clients and this design would be very useful.

    When I am travelling the conventional laptop configuration works the best. However, when I am onsite I use the computer enough that an ergonomic setup is absolutely necessary. I have to raise the screen to an appropriate height to avoid getting a stiff neck. I usually accomplish by setting the laptop on some manuals. This also means that I need a second keyboard since the laptop keyboard is now too high.

    Rather than traveling with a laptop and a keyboard I would rather travel with just a laptop. Not to mention that it looks a lot cooler than a laptop balanced on a pile of manuals.

  41. Comment and question... by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

    I prefer my current docking station, and full size monitor and keyboard (I am using a Microsoft Natural Keyboard - one of the few microsoft products I buy simply because no one else makes one like it, and I find it indespensible for relieving carple-tunnel syndrome, which I was starting to get with the standard keyboards; been using one at work and one at home for the past 2 years and can touch type all day without a twinge).

    My concern with this technology, particularly the removable keyboard using bluetooth, is will I be locked into a particular keyboard/monitor? Will I lose the option of connecting full size equipment to it?

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    1. Re:Comment and question... by Robb · · Score: 1

      If IBM did produce this design I would expect that it would work with their docking stations just like all their other Thinkpads. This is really just a laptop with a few more bells and whistles.

  42. Reminds me of this 1997 concept... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    Modular Systems for text description and images of different configurations

    Over six years ago....

  43. My own company steals my idea by John+Harrison · · Score: 1
    Actually, my idea was to mount the laptop screen on flexible arms, like the B&D Snakelight uses. That would allow for versatility in positioning the screen while keeping it pretty stable. When you fold it up the arms could act as a handle.

    This would be great for use on a plane. I don't know how many times I have been unable to work because the guy in front of me decides to recline and I don't have enough space to have my screen open. If I were able the position the screen over the keyboard I could have it at a usable angle without worrying about it hitting the seat in front of me. Another solution would be to fly first class.

  44. Re:This looks cool, but... HOLLOW FLOORS?? by blue_adept · · Score: 1

    "Amidst the hollowed halls and exhibition floor of the Jacob Javits Center"

    This looks cools, Michael, but are you SURE the halls and exhibition floor are hollow? I mean, I guess it's ok if the hall is hollow, but if the floor is hollow someone might fall through.

    *cough* hallowed *cough*

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  45. Been around for 10+ years by NineNine · · Score: 1

    It's called a "docking station". I don't understand how this is "innovation". I thought that the docking stations were pretty sweet in the day when I was an IT grunt. But IBM is trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. This will be a failure.

  46. Most hallways are hollowed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    very few are hallowed! :p

  47. I'll wait.... by LittleGuy · · Score: 1

    ... until it's also a floor wax, a dessert topping, *and* can run Linux.

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  48. What is this article about? by Stiletto · · Score: 1


    I'm a typical slashdot reader. I want to get the gist of what the article is about before actually deciding to go to the linked article. "design savior-faire akin"? Who the heck submitted this???

    1. Re:What is this article about? by Stiletto · · Score: 1

      ...and yes, I realize it was just copied and pasted from the (poorly written) actual article. The submitter could have cleaned it up and made it readable.

  49. What happened to the docking station? by swb · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see some innovation in the docking station arena. The best one I ever experienced was the Apple Duo, which got the idea right -- a super compact notebook that could be docked into a functional desktop computer case.

    I saw one other similar docking station in the same era, a Toshiba, but it was a piggy laptop and a lame dock. The only other docks I've seen since then are lame "port extenders", which don't give me PCI slots for expansion and don't do anything to keep the laptop's size and weight down.

    When I travel, I really need a full-featured computer that can run XP/2K, supports Wifi, ethernet, a modem, USB2 and has a high-res screen and is about 2/3s the size of my Dell D600. I don't need an internal DVD/CDRW, floppy, parallel port, serial port, PC card slots or a 15" display. 1024x768 at the resolution of this Dell, the display would be much smaller, maybe 12" at most.

    There are laptops that can do this, but when you get home, there's no expansion slots, you're stuck with USB for all your peripherals, and its generally not a worthwhile desktop replacement.

    A good dock that was usable as a desktop would be great, particularly if there was some what to clone\sync the HDD in the laptop to a faster HDD in the dock upon redocking and bypass the laptop display for a better display in the dock.

    Where are *those* innovations?

    1. Re:What happened to the docking station? by TheCrazyFinn · · Score: 1

      IBM Makes 2 Docks currently. 1 is a port replicator (Intended as a portable version) and the second is a big-ass dock with a half-length PCI slot and an extra ultrabay.

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    2. Re:What happened to the docking station? by TheCrazyFinn · · Score: 1

      Check out the Thinkpad X Series for your uber-small laptop. It's pretty much equivalent to the 12" iBook for form factor. The Sony Viao 505's are also similar. And both offer clip on extenders that give you the features of a larger laptop (OPtical drives, PC-Cardslots, 2nd batteries)

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    3. Re:What happened to the docking station? by swb · · Score: 1

      But none of them turn back into desktops by inserting them into docks that are more like full-size desktops.

      I suppose as usual I'm asking for the impossible; I want someone to break a motherboard in half, shove it into the laptop. When docked, it connects with the other half of the motherboard, which has half the RAM slots, PCI slots, AGP slot, and some IDE ports. I'll live with a slower laptop HDD as the C: drive, although a BIOS-level imaging application that could clone the laptop HDD onto a faster internal HDD would be nice.

    4. Re:What happened to the docking station? by TheCrazyFinn · · Score: 1

      Laptop Harddrives are now available in Desktop speeds (Think 7200RPM 8MB Cache 60GB Drives), they only lack desktop capacities.

      What you want has been tried and has failed. You can have extra expansion in the dock (PCI bus, HDD's, CD-ROM's et al) but stuff like an AGP slot and RAM slots are out of the question (Bandwidth issues, mostly due to trace lengths and connector space).

      Extra drives and ports are pretty much it, and will be for the foreseeable future.

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  50. People dont buy just on tech specs by msgmonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most geeks will only see this in terms of technical value.. I mean so many people here are saying "so what, it's not like they put made a dual CPU laptop" or "it's crap because I cant use my XYZ gfx card" are simply missing the point.

    I'm not really a big fan of Apple stuff but it was the same with the iMac.. "oh, so what it's just a monitor and PC in one, been done before, etc etc" but it sold really well because like it or not the majority of people who use computers are not techies.

    I like this idea too, because I've had to use a laptop for long periods and I can see how an arangement like this would be much more comfortable. It would also be useful when doing presentations, it looks like the viewing angle would be better.

  51. Plug in a mouse by Dikeman · · Score: 1

    I never quite understood why there aren't laptops with a built in transmitter/receiver for my cordless mouse and keyboard.
    I work with my laptop all day long so I use a (cordless) natural keyboard and a mouse instead of the laptop keyboard and the touchpad. So each time I have to plug in my Illogitech receiver/transmitter. That doesn't make sense.
    You would have thought that Dell would have come up with such a thing.

  52. Not a docking staion it is a USB hub by bluGill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the past I would have agreed with you. Today USB (high speed) is fast enough and universial enough that you can buy a keyboard, mouse, and USB hub for both work and home, and all you plug in is the hub. Want to expand? USB has you covered, and suddenly you plug in the hub at work and also have your scanner, network (wireless would be better, but perhaps not secure enough) and cd burner. At home you plug in and also get your printer and two gamepads. Or whatever combonations you can come up with.

    You still have to plug it into mains power of course, but that is a lot less connections, and a lot more versitile. I'd recomend a seperate monitor if you work in one spot often, but that may or may not be best for you. At most you have 3 connections, and the duplicated equpiment is cheap.

  53. well whup dee dooo!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    big fcuking deal!

  54. Ultimately, it's just a laptop, but... by StressGuy · · Score: 1

    Improving ergonomics is still a good thing. It would be nicer if it were upgradable like a desktop (as mentioned elsewhere in this thread). One thing I'd like to see, however, is a keyboard that can be separated and angled like my ergonomic keyboard that I use in the office. My office computer is actually a laptop but I do all of my typing via an external ergo keyboard and these things are getting harder and harder to find.

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  55. What *moi* would call innovative design: by Sloshed_dot · · Score: 1

    1. Flexible screen (possibility to move the hinges? To remove the entire screen?) that permits use in an airplane 2. Batteries that last an oversea-flight WITH transit 3. Ergonomic keyboard 4. Send 10% of the profit to me Oh, and 5. Disguise the thing so you don't have to take it apart at every single security-check

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    1. Re:What *moi* would call innovative design: by Sloshed_dot · · Score: 1

      6. Next time Preview before pressing Submit..

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  56. I'd buy one by Overbyte · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm suprised to see so many So what? comments about this. Last night I was working on my deck with my Thinkpad. It would have really been nice to be able kick back, shift the monitor off to the side, move the keyboard to a more comfortable position and get to work. It's all about comfort. I spent a little extra for a Thinkpad specificly for the keyboard and I'd have no problem spending a few extra bucks on one of these new ones, should they ever be made available.
    We take it for granted that our cars all have tilt steering wheels and adjustable seats. I'm sure the the original reaction to these ideas were very similar. But then again, it might be fun to drive around in a porche with a Model T-style steering wheel.

  57. Looks alot like the old IBM Netvista x41 by MadAnthony02 · · Score: 1

    This looks sort of like an old IBM product that I don't think they make anymore, the IBM Netvista X41 all-in -one desktop. True, this one folds up as a laptop, but unfolded the form factor looks the same. I guess IBM likes that form factor.

    We have a couple of the X41's at the helpdesk I work at.. I'm not a big fan, partly because I hate things that are all-in-one, and also because we've had several harddrive failures on them.

  58. Good for demos/client visits by mdielmann · · Score: 1

    This is THE machine for anyone who leaves their laptop at work, but still needs it for site visits. Most of the time, it just sits on your desk, but when you need to go to a client you just take it with you. No need to build a brand-new demo environment for the 2-hour show, while still having most of the conveniences of a desktop - enough power, flexible screen positioning, flexible keyboard positioning. If you're not moving it more than once a month, though, there are probably better solutions.

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  59. Um, most people still do prefer components by Fubar411 · · Score: 1

    Go and check your TV right now, do you have one with the DVD player built-in? Why not? Is it because new formats keep coming out or you didn't feel like replacing your existing TV just because DVD integration is more compact. I still like my components separate, the useful life of each of them is increased.

  60. Nice alliteration by lamp77 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Seriously, could you write any more flowery? Ponce.

  61. Dell Has Something Like This, Too by MattRog · · Score: 1

    Dell has a 'Desktop Replacement' docking station that does much the same thing but you don't have to detatch your screen to do it.

    Personally, I like the Docking Station idea a bit better because it's far easier to set up and tear down which sounds petty but if you have to do it every day (e.g. you take your laptop home with you) you'll really appreciate it.

    Also, LCDs aren't the most durable pieces of equipment - I think the chances of something breaking would increase significantly when you detach/reattach it.

    Still, if the IBMs are cheaper than the docking station then I'd get one of those... But I know many companies have standardized on Dell so if you're looking for something like this in a Dell shop you don't have to break ranks.

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  62. "hollowed halls"? by Timmy · · Score: 1

    Of course the halls are hollowed! How else are you supposed to walk through them?

    Ooooh, you mean "hallowed"? That's a differrent story. The halls of the Javits Center are certainly not fucking "hallowed". If you're going to use a word:

    a) know which word you're using, and spell it right
    b) know what it means

    1. Re:"hollowed halls"? by deprecated · · Score: 1

      Mod up: Pedantic!

  63. Flat mouse touchpads by pmz · · Score: 1


    Do people actually like those laptop touchpads for the mouse? Or do people buy them simply because the look cool?

    They just seem to lack the resolution, accuracy, and intuitiveness of regular mice or those mid-keyboard knobs that some Thinkpads have. Yet, it seems that 85% of laptops come with them.

  64. My solution by stephens_domain · · Score: 1

    I have a 21" monitor on my desk. I am able to extend my desktop to utilize both the built in LCD and the 21" CRT giving me a huge amount of desktop space when I am at my desk.

    I have a wireless mouse and keyboard, so I am not pressing my nose to the screen when I type.

    I don't use a docking station, but I do use a USB hub and 802.11b, so I only have the three cables (USB hub, power, monitor) to plug in/unplug when I come and go from my desk.

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  65. It's hallowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hollowed means it's empty.
    hallowed means it's revered.

  66. It's a laptop, it's a desktop, it's...**SNORE** by mb12036 · · Score: 2, Funny

    In other exciting news, cell phones now have color screens. Isn't technology grand?!?!

  67. Don't you know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only APPLE innovates!

    IBM must have sent a spy to the apple lab or something.

  68. "hollowed halls" by ecloud · · Score: 3, Funny

    A hall must be hollow,
    It's not hard to swallow;
    'Cuz if it's not hollow,
    It isn't a hall.

    Methinks that rather
    If t'were solid, I'd gather
    It doesn't matter --
    'Tis worth nothing at all.

    To have a convention
    You need the invention
    Of walls for retention
    Of a roof over all;

    A solid block of concrete
    Is useless, it can't compete;
    Facilities you need replete...
    You really need a hall.

  69. OMIGOD... he meant "hallowed" by ecloud · · Score: 1

    Our convention center,
    Which is in New York,
    Hallowed be thy halls.
    Thine innovations come,
    Thine improvements be done
    In reality as at the show.
    Give us this day our inspiration
    And forgive us when we fail to notice.
    For thine are the headlines, and the wow-factor, and the glory forever.

    Amen.

  70. No, it's STILL a laptop by Teahouse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Functionality aside, it's not a "desktop" unless I can choose to change the graphics adapter and have a few slots for additional cards.

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    1. Re:No, it's STILL a laptop by TheCrazyFinn · · Score: 1

      Well, most laptops have the card slots (What the heck do you think PC-Card slots are?) Virtually anything common that you'll put in a PCI Slot is available as a PC Card (Except for sound cards and GigE Cards, and there are nice external jobs for that). And at least 1 maker has toyed with upgradable Video cards (Alienware IIRC), but for a couple of reasons, these aren't a great solution (Integration with ACPI and APM, cooling requirements)

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  71. Nah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not until it has a decent keyboard it isn't!

    I'll stick to my desktop thank you.

  72. Ya'll are completely missing the point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what if you can't upgrade the GPU and stuff?

    Those kinds of things aren't even feasable with the laptop form factor! Mind telling me how you would go about doing that?

    If you're so fucking smart that you know how to make a laptop have a socket so you can plug in a GeForce4, unplug it and then stick in a Raedon, go work for IBM.

    How about taking a look at your own retarded logic from another point of view?

    You can't pick up a desktop computer, take it on a plane, use it in the plane, land, then use it while waiting for your cab.

    Therefore, desktops suck.

    But wait! You can install tripple gpu with 37 monitors! Well how the fuck does that help when you need to go somewhere?

    The point of this isn't so you can use it like a desktop at home, where you have a real desktop. The point is so when you put it on the desk in a hotel, then you can use it like a little portable desktop.

    And yes, detaching the screen and keyboard DOES make a difference. ...Damn hippies!

    -Frapazoid

  73. Anyone remember the PS/2e? by Rheingold · · Score: 1

    IBM has dabbled in desktop-laptop merging for a long time. The PS/2e wasn't convertible between laptop and desktop, but rather it was a desktop designed built like a laptop--it had an LCD display, very small case with room only for PCMCIA slots and a 2.5" hard drive. They were really nice little units. Here's the only one I've found through Google: http://members.aol.com/phwimage1/mycomp01.htm

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  74. Tech from John M. Ford's 'Web of Angels' by Luminous · · Score: 1

    In that groundbreaking book, the consoles used could be broken down into smaller parts. The smallest was like a cellphone/pda. Up from that was a laptop like unit. The top level was an immense programming console.

    This is just a step in that direction. I'll wait for the laptop that has a pda that has a pda cradle built in and that can connect to a base unit that is also a server.

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  75. Oh REEEEALY ???? by AdmTaco · · Score: 1

    Hmm.... strange...... I can remember when Steve Jobs announced this idea to make laptops that replace desktops back in January 2003 at the Mac World keynote address in San Francisco. That is why they developed the 17" Powerbook, after all..... Of course Gateway is now set to "borrow" the idea for their latest 17" "Laptop meant to replace desktop". I just held/used their prototype today. While it is definitely cool it is by no means an original concept! It's a great idea in theory, though, since it cuts down on space needed for a normal desktop pc and wires for the user to destroy - I mean - connect. ;)

  76. Thank you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe it took this long for someone to point that out.

    Yer moiderin the King's English!

  77. P.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw a guy last night on History Channel finishing a show with his little monologue, saying that someone was "flaunting conventional wisdom".

    I shit you not...

  78. I want one! by whoopass · · Score: 1

    I don't run and buy the latest technology since I don't have the $Bling$Bling$ to pay for this shit, but I want this one!

    Finally, someone understands that laptops for most business users need to be versitile. When I give a presentation using my laptop everyone crouds around and tries desperately to view the screen while I strive equally futilely not to obstruct the view of others as I crane over the damn thing to see what I'm doing.

    Until they integrate a high quality wall projector into the laptop I'll take a detachable screen anyday. Now just merge this will tablet PC and I'll have a truely versitile tool I can do cool stuff with.

    My 2Cents.

  79. Dashboard rather than Engine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In fact, Hill said what makes the IBM's ThinkPad line unique is what he describes as the relationship between a car's engine and the dashboard. While lots of people (competitors, analysts and ... yes ... even journalists) are focused on the engine, IBM's design program spends most of its time developing and improving the dashboard.
    So, they spend more time working on it's appearance than they do on the "engine." Meaning, it's the same laptop as all the others, but it looks cool? Damn, I was hoping they would work on using better hardware or something...

  80. That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever.. by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 1

    I quit playing with transformers when I was around 12. I see no desire to carry around the added weight of the desktop form factor with me, not to mention a laptop takes up significantly less space on my desk. Since functionality doesn't change, there's no real reason for me to ever want one of these idiotic looking things. If you're going to do transformer-type crap like this, make it a laptop that turns into a stihl, or a portable Matrix, or something useful like that.

  81. Re:NOBODY LIKES PAYING TAXES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quick, send in that UCC-1 form now! Finance the United States LLC and 0wn their democratic assh0les!

    United States LLC is not to be confused or construed with the vacancies of officials of these several united States of America.

  82. hallowed for crying out loud by ZINGYWINGY · · Score: 0

    "hollowed" -> pumpkin

  83. PowerBook Duo by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

    Apple solved this problem a lot more elegantly a long time ago with the PowerBook Duo. The PowerBook Duo itself inserted into a DuoDock that included a larger hard drive. You could connect an external keyboard and mouse and monitor. Unfortunately, the Duo didn't last long. If it existed today, however, it might include a PCI chassis or even an AGP slot, so you COULD put a Radeon 9800 Pro in there. Unfortunately, it doesn't. One advantage this has over the Duo is that it's a lot harder to transport the DuoDock, keyboard, monitor. etc. than just to carry around this convertible. Another is cost, since with the Duo, you'd have to buy the extra monitor, etc.

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  84. Docking stations by TWX · · Score: 1

    I have a Compaq Armada 5250 or somesuch, with the full monitor-on-top style docking station. I don't use it anymore, since it's only a Pentium 133, but it was a nice machine back in its day. The trouble is that the dock is large enough and clunky enough to deal with (all connectors except headphones on the back or underneath) that it's really not as practical as it would initially seem. Yeah, it makes for a good place to store the laptop, but it makes the monitor sit high enough to be annoying, and it doesn't offer any real expansion beyond the dual PS/2 slots over what the laptop itself had. Nor does the laptop have enough video memory to make use of the external display having a resolution beyond 800x600. So, in the end, it was an expensive lemon.

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