MS will justify crushing OSS in any way possible. Honestly, if you call the people of the FSF free software zealots, then call MS proprietary software zealots. MS basically exists totally proprietary, not to make money, not to be inventive but to prove a key point in the Open Letter To Hobbyists by Gates, that quality software will not be written without a lot of money. Unfortunately for MS, it seems that the tables have turned, just about every quality application is OSS in some part if not fully OSS (OS X, Firefox, Apache, etc) and about the only major software vendor that isn't transitioning to OSS is MS, look at it, Apple mostly has with OS X, IBM has embraced Linux, Sun seems to be trying to open source everything they have, Novell has openSUSE, and everyone in between is getting things open sourced.
See, here is the thing. If we boycott the Olympics, we end up ignoring the major human rights violations. Sure, the Chinese government may end up getting a tad richer, but if some US press person realizes that the Internet there in China is filtered, they might report about it on national news, then some guy who is high ranking realizes that that is what the ISPs here in the US are doing, therefore, in order to not seem like the Chinese government, they end up stop blocking BT/Usenet, everyone wins.
If I was going, I'd take a laptop, get Tor, a few packet sniffers, and a spare router an analyze the thing. Then probably post a script that DoSes the firewall.
When you take a file, it is binary. Be it the source code to Linux, the newest hit song, Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox. When you convert an audio file from CD format, to MP3, the bits change. Rather than the first few bits being 00101010001010, they might be 1101010001.
And when you throw in fair use, the same string of bits that might be used for 3 different things. Face it, our laws were meant for an analog world, when you use them in a digital context they just are plain stupid
With Microsoft's new talk of becoming pro open source, this might become like Apple's contributions to BSD. You don't here anything bad about Apple with their use of BSD, but at every chance possible commenters are willing to frame MS in a bit light.
Oh, yes like I really want to trust a company who has a leader that Wikipedia says
Ballmer is also known as a vocal critic of competing companies and their products. He has referred to the free Linux operating system as a "[...] cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches." Ballmer was trying to articulate his concern that the GNU General Public License (GPL) license employed by such software requires that all derivative software be under the GPL or a compatible free license.
or the leader that says "Fucking Eric Schmidt is a fucking pussy. I'm going to fucking bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to fucking kill Google,".
And it isn't just Ballmer, Gates made it clear back in the early days of MS that they hated OSS in the open letter to hobbyists.
Jobs hasn't said comparable things, neither has he said that he was going to kill a competitor, nor that he hated OSS.
Ummm... Isn't that practically what McDonalds is doing with the new "McCafe" or whatever it is called? Sure it isn't the same recipe, but it could be argued that the torrents on the site because they are MP3s and not the original CDs, are different.
If this was any other business or industry doing this, other then the music/movie/software industries, they would be laughed at. Think of it this way, would Starbucks sue the customers it has because they switched over to McDonalds coffee? I don't really think so...
Yes, but with the same idea, I could make a patch of Mario that has Mario screaming curse words. The letters are there, but they aren't used in that order. Now, if it was something that if you typed in "Naked People!!!" you would see it, I could possibly understand this, but when you are editing values, then I should take a hex editor to any game and give the same results.
Well, actually on my (eee)Xubuntu install I'm still having a bit of trouble getting Java to work for vNES, though I think it has more to do with my screen being so tiny then a flaw in Ubuntu or Java.
Try taking a debian package from a few years back and installing it on your system. Chances are, it won't work due to library incompatibilities.
No it probably wouldn't, but open source seems to not take too many steps back so it would be easy to just do sudo apt-get install *insert name of the deb package* if it is proprietary though, you are out of luck, but that is one of the (many) problems with non-free software.
UNIX fragmentation wasn't caused by anything other than all the proprietary, incompatible licenses. Whenever Sun made an improvement to UNIX, HP couldn't simply adopt it like they can with the GPL. With the GPL, if I take an OSS program and fork it, and change it radically, the original creators of the software can always add my changes back into the main branch. And yes it would be bad, if you had to write a program, say an HTTP server, you had to test it on every Unix imaginable, today, just release the source, package an RPM and a DEB, and it will be ported to the rest soon enough.
Exactly, Red Hat will be complaining that it doesn't use RPM, Ubuntu will grumble that they just made Apt and Deb simple enough for everyone to use, Gentoo will complain that it isn't fast enough...
Ummm... A lot of software works between distros. The main problem is when Debian uses an older version of GTK than Fedora uses, and the RPM/DEB inconsistencies, but alien usually takes care of that. Python works cross-platform as does Java and a whole lot of other languages.
It isn't that hard to write cross-distro programs, what is hard is making sure that the version in Ubuntu is the same version in Fedora, or that Ubuntu has your programs as well as Gentoo.
Wait... So you mean that it is better to kill innocent people then just locking them up for 15-20 years? Wow, at least you can repay someone for 20 years wasted, but its not like we have resurrection spells in the real world...
But remember, with some of the more sloppy source code projects, you have more security through obscurity. In order to have a system that isn't compromised (yes that is different then a "secure" system) go with obscure things. For example, Windows, OS X and even Linux are prone to crackers with pre-setup tools, you aren't standing up to good hackers, but rather script kiddies who try to hack with newesthax0rtool.exe. If the script kiddie has a script that will work with Windows, OS X, Linux, and BSD, having a Plan 9 system will prevent your system from being compromised, sure, that Plan 9 system may have a gaping flaw, but because fewer people use it, fewer script kiddie tools are built for it, so it remains not compromised for a longer time.
First, secure your OS somehow. A Windows install will almost certainly be less secure then a comparable OS X/Linux/BSD install, not only because of the openness of code, but security through obscurity. Your real trouble isn't with skilled hackers, they can get through almost anything if it isn't the nightly build, but rather script kiddies who use 1337hax0rtool.exe to attack.
And there is no such thing as a secure system, only a more secure system and a less secure system.
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MS will justify crushing OSS in any way possible. Honestly, if you call the people of the FSF free software zealots, then call MS proprietary software zealots. MS basically exists totally proprietary, not to make money, not to be inventive but to prove a key point in the Open Letter To Hobbyists by Gates, that quality software will not be written without a lot of money. Unfortunately for MS, it seems that the tables have turned, just about every quality application is OSS in some part if not fully OSS (OS X, Firefox, Apache, etc) and about the only major software vendor that isn't transitioning to OSS is MS, look at it, Apple mostly has with OS X, IBM has embraced Linux, Sun seems to be trying to open source everything they have, Novell has openSUSE, and everyone in between is getting things open sourced.
See, here is the thing. If we boycott the Olympics, we end up ignoring the major human rights violations. Sure, the Chinese government may end up getting a tad richer, but if some US press person realizes that the Internet there in China is filtered, they might report about it on national news, then some guy who is high ranking realizes that that is what the ISPs here in the US are doing, therefore, in order to not seem like the Chinese government, they end up stop blocking BT/Usenet, everyone wins.
If I was going, I'd take a laptop, get Tor, a few packet sniffers, and a spare router an analyze the thing. Then probably post a script that DoSes the firewall.
the codename 'Longhorn' is also the name of the Longhorn Bar/Pub, one of Bills favorite places to hang out in Whistler.
I guess that proves it, MS really was drunk when they coded Vista.
See, the open source community can pressure companies into releasing compatible Linux hardware.
No, buy a $600 phone, jailbreak it, unlock it, and use whatever app you feel like it.
When you take a file, it is binary. Be it the source code to Linux, the newest hit song, Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox. When you convert an audio file from CD format, to MP3, the bits change. Rather than the first few bits being 00101010001010, they might be 1101010001.
And when you throw in fair use, the same string of bits that might be used for 3 different things. Face it, our laws were meant for an analog world, when you use them in a digital context they just are plain stupid
With Microsoft's new talk of becoming pro open source, this might become like Apple's contributions to BSD. You don't here anything bad about Apple with their use of BSD, but at every chance possible commenters are willing to frame MS in a bit light.
Oh, yes like I really want to trust a company who has a leader that Wikipedia says
Ballmer is also known as a vocal critic of competing companies and their products. He has referred to the free Linux operating system as a "[...] cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches." Ballmer was trying to articulate his concern that the GNU General Public License (GPL) license employed by such software requires that all derivative software be under the GPL or a compatible free license.
or the leader that says "Fucking Eric Schmidt is a fucking pussy. I'm going to fucking bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to fucking kill Google,".
And it isn't just Ballmer, Gates made it clear back in the early days of MS that they hated OSS in the open letter to hobbyists.
Jobs hasn't said comparable things, neither has he said that he was going to kill a competitor, nor that he hated OSS.
Ummm... Isn't that practically what McDonalds is doing with the new "McCafe" or whatever it is called? Sure it isn't the same recipe, but it could be argued that the torrents on the site because they are MP3s and not the original CDs, are different.
If this was any other business or industry doing this, other then the music/movie/software industries, they would be laughed at. Think of it this way, would Starbucks sue the customers it has because they switched over to McDonalds coffee? I don't really think so...
Yes, but with the same idea, I could make a patch of Mario that has Mario screaming curse words. The letters are there, but they aren't used in that order. Now, if it was something that if you typed in "Naked People!!!" you would see it, I could possibly understand this, but when you are editing values, then I should take a hex editor to any game and give the same results.
Well, actually on my (eee)Xubuntu install I'm still having a bit of trouble getting Java to work for vNES, though I think it has more to do with my screen being so tiny then a flaw in Ubuntu or Java.
Well, this proves it again, by making Java so hard to install, Linux avoided yet another threat.
Yes, but the debian repos usually take care of the packages that can't be installed and replace them with more recent packages.
Try taking a debian package from a few years back and installing it on your system. Chances are, it won't work due to library incompatibilities.
No it probably wouldn't, but open source seems to not take too many steps back so it would be easy to just do sudo apt-get install *insert name of the deb package* if it is proprietary though, you are out of luck, but that is one of the (many) problems with non-free software.
UNIX fragmentation wasn't caused by anything other than all the proprietary, incompatible licenses. Whenever Sun made an improvement to UNIX, HP couldn't simply adopt it like they can with the GPL. With the GPL, if I take an OSS program and fork it, and change it radically, the original creators of the software can always add my changes back into the main branch. And yes it would be bad, if you had to write a program, say an HTTP server, you had to test it on every Unix imaginable, today, just release the source, package an RPM and a DEB, and it will be ported to the rest soon enough.
Exactly, Red Hat will be complaining that it doesn't use RPM, Ubuntu will grumble that they just made Apt and Deb simple enough for everyone to use, Gentoo will complain that it isn't fast enough...
Ummm... A lot of software works between distros. The main problem is when Debian uses an older version of GTK than Fedora uses, and the RPM/DEB inconsistencies, but alien usually takes care of that. Python works cross-platform as does Java and a whole lot of other languages.
It isn't that hard to write cross-distro programs, what is hard is making sure that the version in Ubuntu is the same version in Fedora, or that Ubuntu has your programs as well as Gentoo.
Wait... So you mean that it is better to kill innocent people then just locking them up for 15-20 years? Wow, at least you can repay someone for 20 years wasted, but its not like we have resurrection spells in the real world...
Those that like the game will. Those that don't will figure that now it is time to quit. Others will quit in protest of it.
Like the Grinch?
Exactly. Just like the steroid "problem" in baseball, if all the athletes take steroids, then how does one team/player have an advantage over another?
But remember, with some of the more sloppy source code projects, you have more security through obscurity. In order to have a system that isn't compromised (yes that is different then a "secure" system) go with obscure things. For example, Windows, OS X and even Linux are prone to crackers with pre-setup tools, you aren't standing up to good hackers, but rather script kiddies who try to hack with newesthax0rtool.exe. If the script kiddie has a script that will work with Windows, OS X, Linux, and BSD, having a Plan 9 system will prevent your system from being compromised, sure, that Plan 9 system may have a gaping flaw, but because fewer people use it, fewer script kiddie tools are built for it, so it remains not compromised for a longer time.
but my main concern is with Windows apps."
First, secure your OS somehow. A Windows install will almost certainly be less secure then a comparable OS X/Linux/BSD install, not only because of the openness of code, but security through obscurity. Your real trouble isn't with skilled hackers, they can get through almost anything if it isn't the nightly build, but rather script kiddies who use 1337hax0rtool.exe to attack.
And there is no such thing as a secure system, only a more secure system and a less secure system.
Ok, sure you can't even be sure unless you have the microcode running your hardware. But for 99.999% of people, the source is good enough.