It's possible to live without the Internet, you will get about 3 maybe 4 days without water.
So while it can be argued that perhaps the Internet should be set up like a utility such as the phone infrastructure where the governement set it up and regulated it, comparing it to water is a little extreme.
The same way they always have. What makes you think gmail is using text/image as part of the login? Because the/. write up said so? Since when has/. ever checked on what they report.
I never said the US didn't have a huge chunk of the blame for the state of the Mid East, just that Bush wasn't the only culprit, this has been going on for decades.
And 9 out of 10 became terrorists because of Bush.
Right, because before Bush the middle east lived in peace and harmony, and nobody hated the US.
I'll grant you, Bush's actions have pissed off enough people that I'm sure some were pushed to terrorism, but it is probably more like 2 out of 10 (since we are both making up numbers)
some outlandish bullshit about Timmy getting his cock sucked by the male Gym teacher for missing a basket during an important shot in a worthless game during class.
I had some teachers I wish punished me like that.
"oh no, please don't punish me like that, Miss HotTeacher, I'll be good"
Not particularly, especially when Panera gave the wrong sandwich for lunch:(
However I do have over 4 years of experience in a Kerberos shop with 120,000+ principals.
On a kerberos client, there is usually one config file,/etc/krb5.conf. A regular user can glance at it all they want, it is writable only by root (unless for some reason you changed that).
On a KDC there are more config files, but the same rules apply. And frankly there shouldn't be regular users logging and doing regular user stuff on those machines anyway.
In this whole thread I have yet to see a single way that a regular user on a unix system can take down the system. In fact I cannot think of any way other than a privilege escalation buffer overflow, or a severly misconfigured system where regular users have access to system files.
Who gives a rip if the operating system survives but the data doesn't?
That is true if you are the only user on the system, however if you are not, then I'm sure the others take comfort in knowing you cannot hose their data or the OS it resides on.
They arent bolting it on to XP, they are essentially rolling out Windows XP version 2. Sofar I havent had too many issues with the service pack, which is amazing considering how much it does.
What it does? I assume you are refering to how it leads you to believe you are secure while still having gaping holes. Yes, for a patch that does all that it is remarkably stable.
Frankly, I dont think Linux could come close to releasing a patch of this magnitude with as little side effects.
Actually it would be easy. You simply run diff between kernel 1.0 and 2.6.x, then release that as a patch. Viola, a huge patch that takes a Linux 1.0 kernel up to the latest version.
However, the Amish ARE uneducated... learning stops at 8th grade.
No, education in public schools stops at 8th grade. In my experience they tend to spend much more time learning than the average kid, and tend to be pretty damn smart.
While I'm likely not voting for Bush (or mr absnetee voter Kerry) this next round I did vote for Bush last time. Why on earth would I do that? Have we forgotten what kinds of things Al "Clipper Chip" Gore stood for?
At the time Bush seemed the lesser of two evils. This time both are way to evil to even be considered "lesser".
And no, I don't know who I actually am voting for yet.
Actually he was being investigated for some pretty serious corruption. The gay thing seems to just be a cover so that he can leave as a martyr instead of a disgrace (or possibly under arrest)
Dammit people, stop thinking like that. I hear it all the time with regards to Microsoft, IBM, Nintendo, pretty much any huge company that has a patent portfolio.
Yes, you are right they have never used them aggressively, it has always been a "defense" war-chest.
Have you ever heard of an "end game"?
Look at SCO, they never used their supposed ownership of Unix aggressively either right? Ooops, they never did until they became completely irrelevant and and felt the need to do something, ANYTHING to resurrect their failed business.
So what happens when (not if) Nintendo, IBM, Microsoft, et al, being to lose significant marketshare? When (either due to competition, crappy economy, whatever) these companies begin the inevitable fall from grace that every company in history eventually has done? When the stockholders demand profit and actions to be taken to get that profit? It will be fiscially irresponsible (and almost criminal) for the management NOT to use their patent portfolio aggressively to regain profit. If they won't the stockholders will oust them and bring in attack dogs who will.
It is almost inevitable that these patents WILL be used aggressively. It is just a matter of time. Consider it corporate insurance that you will never lose your position in the computer industry.
Or look at it another way, consider it insurance that Microsoft and IBM will never be made irrelevent by Open Source, as soon as it gets too popular, it will be litigated away. If the PS2 and X-Box take away too much of Nintendo's market, they will be ligitated into effectively paying Nintendo (licensing fees) for the market-share they took.
Neither, Penn State uses in house developed solutions to manage the 130,000+ people here. Instead of throwing money a "solutions" that do not solve your problem, spend it on competent programmers that can solve it for you.
Generally nothing comerical scales to this size very well, and most vendors panic when they find out just how large we really are.
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It's possible to live without the Internet, you will get about 3 maybe 4 days without water.
So while it can be argued that perhaps the Internet should be set up like a utility such as the phone infrastructure where the governement set it up and regulated it, comparing it to water is a little extreme.
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Everything is replacable if you are willing to break open the case and put a third party battery in (voiding the warranty in the process).
However it isn't exactly the same a changing the AA batteries in your remote control is it?
Finkployd
AES has been broken? The best cryptanalysts of the world would love to know how you did that.
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The same way they always have. What makes you think gmail is using text/image as part of the login? Because the /. write up said so? Since when has /. ever checked on what they report.
Finkployd
I never said the US didn't have a huge chunk of the blame for the state of the Mid East, just that Bush wasn't the only culprit, this has been going on for decades.
And 9 out of 10 became terrorists because of Bush.
Right, because before Bush the middle east lived in peace and harmony, and nobody hated the US.
I'll grant you, Bush's actions have pissed off enough people that I'm sure some were pushed to terrorism, but it is probably more like 2 out of 10 (since we are both making up numbers)
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xcept when done by John Cusack.
Boy, ain't that the truth.
Martin Sheen did a pretty good job in Apocalypse Now too.
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The window of opportunity where that would have been an arousing way to go has passed.
Finkployd
Is calling the male Gym teacher "Miss HotTeacher" part of your fantasy?
No, which is why I said "some teachers" and not "my male gym teacher".
Reading comprehension my friend, look into it.
Finkployd
some outlandish bullshit about Timmy getting his cock sucked by the male Gym teacher for missing a basket during an important shot in a worthless game during class.
I had some teachers I wish punished me like that.
"oh no, please don't punish me like that, Miss HotTeacher, I'll be good"
Finkployd
Or a Windows install disk and access to the machine :)
You're not very polite, are you? ;)
:(
/etc/krb5.conf. A regular user can glance at it all they want, it is writable only by root (unless for some reason you changed that).
Not particularly, especially when Panera gave the wrong sandwich for lunch
However I do have over 4 years of experience in a Kerberos shop with 120,000+ principals.
On a kerberos client, there is usually one config file,
On a KDC there are more config files, but the same rules apply. And frankly there shouldn't be regular users logging and doing regular user stuff on those machines anyway.
In this whole thread I have yet to see a single way that a regular user on a unix system can take down the system. In fact I cannot think of any way other than a privilege escalation buffer overflow, or a severly misconfigured system where regular users have access to system files.
Finkployd
Who gives a rip if the operating system survives but the data doesn't?
That is true if you are the only user on the system, however if you are not, then I'm sure the others take comfort in knowing you cannot hose their data or the OS it resides on.
Finkployd
Of course it's easy enough to screw up some of the more modern, yet essential, services like kerberos
Now I know you are full of it. Explain how a regular user account is going to screw up kerberos.
Finkployd
They arent bolting it on to XP, they are essentially rolling out Windows XP version 2. Sofar I havent had too many issues with the service pack, which is amazing considering how much it does.
What it does? I assume you are refering to how it leads you to believe you are secure while still having gaping holes. Yes, for a patch that does all that it is remarkably stable.
Frankly, I dont think Linux could come close to releasing a patch of this magnitude with as little side effects.
Actually it would be easy. You simply run diff between kernel 1.0 and 2.6.x, then release that as a patch. Viola, a huge patch that takes a Linux 1.0 kernel up to the latest version.
Finkployd
However, the Amish ARE uneducated... learning stops at 8th grade.
No, education in public schools stops at 8th grade. In my experience they tend to spend much more time learning than the average kid, and tend to be pretty damn smart.
Since when was high school about learning anyway?
Finkployd
Are you under some weird impression that if you use GCC your code must be licensed under the GPL?
Were the moderators under that same clearly mistaken impression?
What gives?
Finkployd
At the time they were hard core liberals. Today they would be hard core conservatives (at least assuming they held all the same views).
What is considered a liberal and conservative changes with the times.
Finkployd
While I'm likely not voting for Bush (or mr absnetee voter Kerry) this next round I did vote for Bush last time. Why on earth would I do that? Have we forgotten what kinds of things Al "Clipper Chip" Gore stood for?
At the time Bush seemed the lesser of two evils. This time both are way to evil to even be considered "lesser".
And no, I don't know who I actually am voting for yet.
Finkployd
A friend of mine didn't realize he was gay until he'd already slept with several men
See, that right there is a dead giveaway.
Finkployd
Actually he was being investigated for some pretty serious corruption. The gay thing seems to just be a cover so that he can leave as a martyr instead of a disgrace (or possibly under arrest)
Finkployd
Dammit people, stop thinking like that. I hear it all the time with regards to Microsoft, IBM, Nintendo, pretty much any huge company that has a patent portfolio.
Yes, you are right they have never used them aggressively, it has always been a "defense" war-chest.
Have you ever heard of an "end game"?
Look at SCO, they never used their supposed ownership of Unix aggressively either right? Ooops, they never did until they became completely irrelevant and and felt the need to do something, ANYTHING to resurrect their failed business.
So what happens when (not if) Nintendo, IBM, Microsoft, et al, being to lose significant marketshare? When (either due to competition, crappy economy, whatever) these companies begin the inevitable fall from grace that every company in history eventually has done? When the stockholders demand profit and actions to be taken to get that profit? It will be fiscially irresponsible (and almost criminal) for the management NOT to use their patent portfolio aggressively to regain profit. If they won't the stockholders will oust them and bring in attack dogs who will.
It is almost inevitable that these patents WILL be used aggressively. It is just a matter of time. Consider it corporate insurance that you will never lose your position in the computer industry.
Or look at it another way, consider it insurance that Microsoft and IBM will never be made irrelevent by Open Source, as soon as it gets too popular, it will be litigated away. If the PS2 and X-Box take away too much of Nintendo's market, they will be ligitated into effectively paying Nintendo (licensing fees) for the market-share they took.
Finkployd
Thou hast offended the zealots! Prepare to be modded down.
I don't know, he looked modded up to me.
Oh course, sendmail can also scale without hordes of hardware tossed at it.
Finkployd
Neither, Penn State uses in house developed solutions to manage the 130,000+ people here. Instead of throwing money a "solutions" that do not solve your problem, spend it on competent programmers that can solve it for you.
Generally nothing comerical scales to this size very well, and most vendors panic when they find out just how large we really are.
Finkployd