That's true except I can and do play non DRM'd mp3s on my ipod now. If that changes I'll reflash it with ipod linux (which does work on my nano I've tried it): http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page
Same thing for OSs if OS X gets over DRMed I'll reformat mt HD and install Ubuntu for PPC. Thankfully Dapper Drake is usable by ordinary non geek god human beings. I'm just grateful there are options now if DRM gets too onerous/
I concur I find myself in the last week firing up my 100 dollar PIII Dapper Drake machine more than my 2000 dollar dual G5 with 2.5 gigs of ram. The only time I really need the G5 is editing video which I do once a month. And I'm a geek, how many even do that much on their computer? For 90+% of people a PIII 1 ghz machine with 512 megs ram is more than enough than what they do, I know that my be shocking to slashdotters who at least IMAGINE themselves compiling gentoo while watch a DVD, and downloading warez, but most people just need web, e-mail, chat, word processing, and BASIC DVD/Web video capacities, all which you can get on a 100 dollar used p.c. Despite the fact that the new intel chips might actually be their best in years, it's all going to be a tough sell for BOTH intel and AMD. All my computers are 2+ years old and I don't see myself upgrading anytime soon, so much less for an average person. The chip makers may have Moore's lawed themselves out of a regular turn over market.
The main stream media has undermined democracy by promoting corporate elite interests with sophisticated propaganda techniques. Read Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent or do a search for Edward Bernays Freud's nephew and the father of propaganda. Bernays helped get the U.S. into WWI, later worked for large companies, and wrote a book by the name propaganda that Gobbels kept by his bed side. Polling and focus groups are used to shape public opinion, along with endless "talking points." Think about that the next time you think you live in a functioning democracy here in the U.S.
I'm not afraid of a few scattered "terrorists" with box cutters and fertilizer bombs. I am afraid of my government whose commander and chief over nuclear weapons, jets, and a million man army army said the constitution is a "godamn piece of paper"
"GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.
"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."
"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."
"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
You really do love big brother don't you? You're like Winston Smith's fat sweaty neighbor who loved big brother and ended up getting ratted out by his kids for having thought crime thoughts he spoke in his sleep in 1984 Some of us at least try to resist...
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"Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building Wed Aug 21, 7:45 PM ET
By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a simulated accident.
Officials at the Chantilly, Virginia-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet would crash into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure.
The agency is about 4 miles (6 kilometers) from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport.
Agency chiefs came up with the scenario to test employees' ability to respond to a disaster, said spokesman Art Haubold. No actual plane was to be involved -- to simulate the damage from the crash, some stairwells and exits were to be closed off, forcing employees to find other ways to evacuate the building.
"It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility," Haubold said. "As soon as the real world ( news - Y! TV) events began, we canceled the exercise."
Terrorism was to play no role in the exercise, which had been planned for several months, he said.
Adding to the coincidence, American Airlines Flight 77 -- the Boeing 767 that was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon ( news - web sites) -- took off from Dulles at 8:10 a.m. on Sept. 11, 50 minutes before the exercise was to begin. It struck the Pentagon around 9:40 a.m., killing 64 aboard the plane and 125 on the ground.
The National Reconnaissance Office operates many of the nation's spy satellites. It draws its personnel from the military and the CIA ( news - web sites).
After the Sept. 11 attacks, most of the 3,000 people who work at agency headquarters were sent home, save for some essential personnel, Haubold said.
An announcement for an upcoming homeland security conference in Chicago first noted the exercise.
In a promotion for speaker John Fulton, a CIA officer assigned as chief of NRO's strategic gaming division, the announcement says, "On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team... were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day."
The conference is being run by the National Law Enforcement and Security Institute.
I for one welcome my unelected shadow government over lords. Permanent marshal law? Mmmmmm donuts. I mean why hold elections for a new government or any of that silly outdated inefficient 18th century human rights crap?
Sure I'll bite they'll call violent imagery "inappropriate for minors." Well guess what the deceleration of independence called for the violent overthrow of the British government. If that proclamation were being written now it would be disparaged as "inappropriate for minors," and as the sort of thing bad people read. Yes my freedom IS more important than your desire to excessively shelter your yuppie spawn from the real world. Yuppie spawn that BTW if they are more than 10 years old I'm quite certain could cuss a prude like you under the table. Please do your job as a parent yourself and don't to try to pawn that important work off on the state who will only do it badly AND limit the freedom of adults in the process. For example IF draconian video game laws were to pass Wal-Mart and other chains might stop carrying them altogether which tramples on my rights as a middle aged adult. Screw that!
I agree. It will do 90% of what either my OS X or XP computers will do. It's not there for games compared to the XP side or media like video editing or audio editing compared to OS X. On the other hand it installed and detected video, sound, and mouse a first for Linux for me. I am able to e-mail, chat, edit and search photos (Picassa makes a good addition if you aren't an OSS zealot), surf the web with Firefox do word processing (I added Abiword for a faster word processor), and listen to networked music served from itunes to rhythm box over SSH. I went ahead and did easy Ubuntu to install video and audio codecs, and installed Real Player and Acrcobat Reader (again not a purist). I also enabled the kbuntu-desktop with the package installer, so I could use Konqueer and other KDE apps easily, In sum I think it's leaped over XP for everyday use (at least for a moderate geek) and is nipping at the heels of OS X, good job Ubuntu folks.
Coward or not mod parent up. The essence of censorship is a large powerful organization preventing the expression of ideas by an individual or less powerful group. For example Noam Chomsky is in essence censored from the main stream media of the USA. It's a moral issue not an issue of laws, how hard is that to understand?
The first Linux install EVER for me to properly detecect my mouse, video card, lan, and screen sceen resolution and I tried Mandrake back in the day when you needed top know sectors and cylinder numbers, and Ubutu 5.04 two different times, this one just works, yah! It's the first Linux I would recomend to a Windoze or Mac user. While I still need my Mac for Final Cut Pro and Photoshop and Windoze for games I think this is a big leap forward for Linux on the desktop, congrats to the developers for a fine effort.
Parent post is why the free software foundations strong stance against DRM is important, though here is my take on things. For now I'm using OS X because sound and wireless just works, and there is no real direct substitute for Final Cut Pro or Photoshop, and as I pointed out in another response itunes will work with non DRMd mp3s and non DRM apple lossless. The minute DRM becomes mandatory though I'd wipe OS X and install a GNU OS on my G5. So please keep up a strong anti DRM stance FSF to me you are the back up if the DRM people try to radically restrict my freedom which they fortunately HAVEN'T been able to do up to this point. Perhaps my stance is a cop out but I think it's very realist. I save my extreme idealism for things that effect our environment or that cause human suffering. To me the computer is just a tool and that tool works well enough now, but mandatory DRM for music or ONLY being allowed to run certain operating systems, or say having to upgrade my monitor because the video stream is encrypted and the new video format doesn't play on the old monitor would be curtains to propitiatory software for me.
Sorry but it is a war over admitidly small stakes. Of course no one could or should make you code something you don't want to code, on the other hand there is a reason I'm typing this on ibook and not an open BSD.
What do I know I'm just a luser...
Like 99.9% of the rest of the population. Think about it...
That's not quite what I meant, I meant something more like those Lindows machines they tried to sell at Walmart. How about putting say 500 million into making either Gnome or KDE into a usable nice looking desktop and selling it pre installed on a p.c. for 50 bucks less than even the cheapest Dell? I think the biggest stumbling block to the adoption of desktop Linux is sound, and wireless problems, and the hastle of installation.
Do we really need another KDE over nix variant? How about something gasp, new? Or at least barring something new, a unifed KDE or Gnome over *nix pre installed and configured on a desktop pc so the folks at home can use it? Isn't yet another variant just dispersing our energies? Yes freedom is supper cool, but letting M$ and Apple win due a lack of discpline or fresh ideas is not...
Maybe there's something I'm missing about this project but at the very least it wasn't immediatly obvious from looking at screenshots.
the dirty secret of successful totalitarian control is rooting out the dissidents quietly while making sure the people who go along with it think "if I'm not doing anything "wrong" what do I have to worry about...?" Keep a constant watch on the watchers, some good resources to start:
Yep 14,822 songs on my computer organized by itunes and playable on my ipod, not one of which was purchased from the itunes music store, not one of which has a trace of DRM. Would we all use ogg in an ideal world? Perhaps, but this will do because in practice I can have ALL my music without DRM anyway way I want to "acquire" it, and including in the apple's lossless compression format which sounds EXACTLY the same as a cd. In theory it sucks, in practice not too bad. That's why I've drunk the Apple cool-aid even as a lefty crunchy co-opy kind of guy who supports OSS in theory. Much as I'd like a perfect free software world I dread the thought of configuring ALSA or what ever the latest flaky GNU/OSS OS audio subsystem is at the moment. Hint sound has NEVER worked properly for me installing Ubuntu on two different p.c.s. Linux/BSD is a GREAT server and as a home entertainment OS? Not so much...
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That's true except I can and do play non DRM'd mp3s on my ipod now. If that changes I'll reflash it with ipod linux (which does work on my nano I've tried it): http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page
Same thing for OSs if OS X gets over DRMed I'll reformat mt HD and install Ubuntu for PPC. Thankfully Dapper Drake is usable by ordinary non geek god human beings. I'm just grateful there are options now if DRM gets too onerous/
Nice to see we have such intelligent people supoprting the war. 3rd grad education much?
Port please, firewall, the end.
...until you have to type on the thing.
I concur I find myself in the last week firing up my 100 dollar PIII Dapper Drake machine more than my 2000 dollar dual G5 with 2.5 gigs of ram. The only time I really need the G5 is editing video which I do once a month. And I'm a geek, how many even do that much on their computer? For 90+% of people a PIII 1 ghz machine with 512 megs ram is more than enough than what they do, I know that my be shocking to slashdotters who at least IMAGINE themselves compiling gentoo while watch a DVD, and downloading warez, but most people just need web, e-mail, chat, word processing, and BASIC DVD/Web video capacities, all which you can get on a 100 dollar used p.c. Despite the fact that the new intel chips might actually be their best in years, it's all going to be a tough sell for BOTH intel and AMD. All my computers are 2+ years old and I don't see myself upgrading anytime soon, so much less for an average person. The chip makers may have Moore's lawed themselves out of a regular turn over market.
The main stream media has undermined democracy by promoting corporate elite interests with sophisticated propaganda techniques. Read Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent or do a search for Edward Bernays Freud's nephew and the father of propaganda. Bernays helped get the U.S. into WWI, later worked for large companies, and wrote a book by the name propaganda that Gobbels kept by his bed side. Polling and focus groups are used to shape public opinion, along with endless "talking points." Think about that the next time you think you live in a functioning democracy here in the U.S.
Thanks for doing the Lexis Nexus search anonymous. Is that still spendy?
I'm not afraid of a few scattered "terrorists" with box cutters and fertilizer bombs. I am afraid of my government whose commander and chief over nuclear weapons, jets, and a million man army army said the constitution is a "godamn piece of paper"
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"GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.
"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."
"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."
"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/art
You really do love big brother don't you? You're like Winston Smith's fat sweaty neighbor who loved big brother and ended up getting ratted out by his kids for having thought crime thoughts he spoke in his sleep in 1984 Some of us at least try to resist...
"Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building
... were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day."
Wed Aug 21, 7:45 PM ET
By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a simulated accident.
Officials at the Chantilly, Virginia-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet would crash into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure.
The agency is about 4 miles (6 kilometers) from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport.
Agency chiefs came up with the scenario to test employees' ability to respond to a disaster, said spokesman Art Haubold. No actual plane was to be involved -- to simulate the damage from the crash, some stairwells and exits were to be closed off, forcing employees to find other ways to evacuate the building.
"It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility," Haubold said. "As soon as the real world ( news - Y! TV) events began, we canceled the exercise."
Terrorism was to play no role in the exercise, which had been planned for several months, he said.
Adding to the coincidence, American Airlines Flight 77 -- the Boeing 767 that was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon ( news - web sites) -- took off from Dulles at 8:10 a.m. on Sept. 11, 50 minutes before the exercise was to begin. It struck the Pentagon around 9:40 a.m., killing 64 aboard the plane and 125 on the ground.
The National Reconnaissance Office operates many of the nation's spy satellites. It draws its personnel from the military and the CIA ( news - web sites).
After the Sept. 11 attacks, most of the 3,000 people who work at agency headquarters were sent home, save for some essential personnel, Haubold said.
An announcement for an upcoming homeland security conference in Chicago first noted the exercise.
In a promotion for speaker John Fulton, a CIA officer assigned as chief of NRO's strategic gaming division, the announcement says, "On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team
The conference is being run by the National Law Enforcement and Security Institute.
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On the Net:
National Reconnaissance Office: http://www.nro.gov/
Central Intelligence Agency ( news - web sites): http://www.cia.gov/
National Law Enforcement and Security Institute: http://www.nlsi.net/ "
Although his link is from "prison planet" the original article is from AP.
Wow an American still capable of rational long term thought who hasn't been paralyzed with fear, who'd have thunk it?
I for one welcome my unelected shadow government over lords. Permanent marshal law? Mmmmmm donuts. I mean why hold elections for a new government or any of that silly outdated inefficient 18th century human rights crap?
Nice one... Wish I had some mod points for a +1 funny.
Sure I'll bite they'll call violent imagery "inappropriate for minors." Well guess what the deceleration of independence called for the violent overthrow of the British government. If that proclamation were being written now it would be disparaged as "inappropriate for minors,"
and as the sort of thing bad people read. Yes my freedom IS more important than your desire to excessively shelter your yuppie spawn from the real world. Yuppie spawn that BTW if they are more than 10 years old I'm quite certain could cuss a prude like you under the table. Please do your job as a parent yourself and don't to try to pawn that important work off on the state who will only do it badly AND limit the freedom of adults in the process. For example IF draconian video game laws were to pass Wal-Mart and other chains might stop carrying them altogether which tramples on my rights as a middle aged adult. Screw that!
p.s. package manager Synaptic typing from my G5 box now.
I agree. It will do 90% of what either my OS X or XP computers will do. It's not there for games compared to the XP side or media like video editing or audio editing compared to OS X. On the other hand it installed and detected video, sound, and mouse a first for Linux for me. I am able to e-mail, chat, edit and search photos (Picassa makes a good addition if you aren't an OSS zealot), surf the web with Firefox do word processing (I added Abiword for a faster word processor), and listen to networked music served from itunes to rhythm box over SSH. I went ahead and did easy Ubuntu to install video and audio codecs, and installed Real Player and Acrcobat Reader (again not a purist). I also enabled the kbuntu-desktop with the package installer, so I could use Konqueer and other KDE apps easily, In sum I think it's leaped over XP for everyday use (at least for a moderate geek) and is nipping at the heels of OS X, good job Ubuntu folks.
Coward or not mod parent up. The essence of censorship is a large powerful organization preventing the expression of ideas by an individual or less powerful group. For example Noam Chomsky is in essence censored from the main stream media of the USA. It's a moral issue not an issue of laws, how hard is that to understand?
Already done in 1999 with an Apple Message Pad and a cell modem.
t cred.html?pg=10
http://www.wirednews.com/wired/archive/7.03/stree
The first Linux install EVER for me to properly detecect my mouse, video card, lan, and screen sceen resolution and I tried Mandrake back in the day when you needed top know sectors and cylinder numbers, and Ubutu 5.04 two different times, this one just works, yah! It's the first Linux I would recomend to a Windoze or Mac user. While I still need my Mac for Final Cut Pro and Photoshop and Windoze for games I think this is a big leap forward for Linux on the desktop, congrats to the developers for a fine effort.
Parent post is why the free software foundations strong stance against DRM is important, though here is my take on things. For now I'm using OS X because sound and wireless just works, and there is no real direct substitute for Final Cut Pro or Photoshop, and as I pointed out in another response itunes will work with non DRMd mp3s and non DRM apple lossless. The minute DRM becomes mandatory though I'd wipe OS X and install a GNU OS on my G5. So please keep up a strong anti DRM stance FSF to me you are the back up if the DRM people try to radically restrict my freedom which they fortunately HAVEN'T been able to do up to this point. Perhaps my stance is a cop out but I think it's very realist. I save my extreme idealism for things that effect our environment or that cause human suffering. To me the computer is just a tool and that tool works well enough now, but mandatory DRM for music or ONLY being allowed to run certain operating systems, or say having to upgrade my monitor because the video stream is encrypted and the new video format doesn't play on the old monitor would be curtains to propitiatory software for me.
Sorry but it is a war over admitidly small stakes. Of course no one could or should make you code something you don't want to code, on the other hand there is a reason I'm typing this on ibook and not an open BSD.
What do I know I'm just a luser...
Like 99.9% of the rest of the population. Think about it...
That's not quite what I meant, I meant something more like those Lindows machines they tried to sell at Walmart. How about putting say 500 million into making either Gnome or KDE into a usable nice looking desktop and selling it pre installed on a p.c. for 50 bucks less than even the cheapest Dell? I think the biggest stumbling block to the adoption of desktop Linux is sound, and wireless problems, and the hastle of installation.
Do we really need another KDE over nix variant? How about something gasp, new?
Or at least barring something new, a unifed KDE or Gnome over *nix pre installed and configured on a desktop pc so the folks at home can use it? Isn't yet another variant just dispersing our energies? Yes freedom is supper cool, but letting M$ and Apple win due a lack of discpline or fresh ideas is not...
Maybe there's something I'm missing about this project but at the very least it wasn't immediatly obvious from looking at screenshots.
Ding, ding, mod parent up. The people of Nazi Germany thought they were free too:
h tml
http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free.
the dirty secret of successful totalitarian control is rooting out the dissidents quietly while making sure the people who go along with it think "if I'm not doing anything "wrong" what do I have to worry about...?" Keep a constant watch on the watchers, some good resources to start:
Libertarian/Paleo right
http://antiwar.com/
http://www.lewrockwell.com/
http://www.amconmag.com/
Moderate:
http://buzzflash.com/
http://moveon.org/
Left:
http://counterpunch.org/
http://commondreams.org/
http://indymedia.org/
That should keep you busy for a while...
Yep 14,822 songs on my computer organized by itunes and playable on my ipod, not one of which was purchased from the itunes music store, not one of which has a trace of DRM. Would we all use ogg in an ideal world? Perhaps, but this will do because in practice I can have ALL my music without DRM anyway way I want to "acquire" it, and including in the apple's lossless compression format which sounds EXACTLY the same as a cd. In theory it sucks, in practice not too bad. That's why I've drunk the Apple cool-aid even as a lefty crunchy co-opy kind of guy who supports OSS in theory. Much as I'd like a perfect free software world I dread the thought of configuring ALSA or what ever the latest flaky GNU/OSS OS audio subsystem is at the moment. Hint sound has NEVER worked properly for me installing Ubuntu on two different p.c.s. Linux/BSD is a GREAT server and as a home entertainment OS? Not so much...