Unfortunately, it also blocks all Debian users. At least it looks like somebody *finally* packaged ssh2 for woody
Uhm, you're kind of confused. The main ssh packages in Debian are:
ssh - OpenSSH port of BSD's version of ssh that branched off the last free version of ssh put out by ssh's original developers. It has supported ssh protocol version 2 since roughly August of 2000, and versions supporting ssh2 made it into Debian soon there after. Currently version 3.01p is in Debian, and I think its pretty much equivalent to to the non-free ssh3.
ssh-nonfree - non-free version of ssh from its original developers. It only supports ssh protocol version 1.
ssh2 - Version of ssh supporting ssh protocol 2 from the makers of ssh-nonfree. License is more restrictive than ssh-nonfree's license.
ssh3 - As far as i can tell its not packaged yet. Is the license more restrictive than ssh3? Regardless, there is no ssh protocol version 3.
Anyway, Debian has had ssh protocol version 2 support for a long time,.
Why should they drop it? A lively debate is healthy and helps to focus the views on both sides. People with opposing views should try to promote their views. This sort of debate allows new developers and users to become informed on licensing issues, so that they make intelligent decisions about where their views lie on licensing issues.
e.g. Cap'n Kirk's communicator == prototype mobile phone
There was nothing particularly prescient about the communicators in Star Trek. Walkie talkies have been around since
1935 and the Star Trek communicator isn't really fundamentally any different from a walkie talkie. Sure, the communicators look more like current style flip cell phones, but even the concepts behind cell phones have been around since
1947 and both walkie talkies and communicators are based on direct point-point communication, while cell phones require intermediate cell stations.
Yeah, but even better than the fact that they cite the Junger case is the fact that they seem to agree that code is speech. From page 14:
That the source code is capable of such compilation, however, does not destroy the expressive nature of the source code itself. Thus, we conclude the trial court's preliminary injunction barring Bunner from disclosing the DeCSS can fairly be characterized as a prohibition of "pure" speech.
So this court seems to be affording source code "strong" speech status, so that the expressive parts of code are more inmportant than the functional part. This court seems to be going further in protecting the speech rights of code than in the Junger case. This is great news. The Junger case seemed like a better test case since it involved academics studying encryption, but this Bunner case may end up being more important.
No kidding, its a half baked opinion hiding in the form of a question. I don't use Slack or know much about it, but the person who posed the question didn't seem to have much evidence to back up his claim.
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I disagree, in the very early Netscape days it definitely made sense for them to release for at least the biggest *nixes. The big Unix boxes on campuses and big companies were the ones that tended to be connected to the internet. Most PC users didn't have internet access (even dialup), so it wouldn't surprise if the majority of the marketshare for browsers was in the Unix market.
of course, those days are long gone, but it probably didn't take that much extra resources to keep all of the Unix builds going, if they were going to keep one going.
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Yeah, I meant old, big iron Unix (SunOS, AIX, HPUX, etc.). And from the context of what browsers netscape was shipping, I meant excluding Linux and OS X. But I wasn't clear.
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I think it says more about Netscapes position and Mozilla than it does about OSs. When Netscape was the dominant browser, it made sense for them to try to have builds for any system under the Sun, since it would help them maintain marketshare. Now that they are struggling to regain markketshare, it makes more sense to focus their "official" efforts on the bigger OSs. They can let mozilla take care of the smaller OSs.
Also, you missed at least one OSs that Netscape 6 is available - Sun. I think Netscape may have passed more of the responsibility for that build to Sun, but it is still full blown Netscape. Since Sun is the biggest Unix at this point, it makes sense that they'd still be supported
I read all of Niven's books, then nearly everything Asimov had ever penned,
Wil, you are one one hell of a reader if you really read almost everything Asimov ever wrote, since he wrote
hundreds of books ; ). Of course, if you just mean nearly all of his SF, then so have I.
From the
Imation site it sounds like you don't have to hobble the files. " * Record six hours WMA-quality music or three hours of MP3 in less than five minutes." It also sounds like it doesn't do the encoding either - just transfers files from computers.
CT answer your question in the very next sentence.
But Slashdot is now four years old... and I want it to still be here four years from now. I hope you can understand the expensive reality associated with making tthis site happen every day for a quarter of a million readers.
You may not like the answer, but he definitely addresses this point.
And it was on the Net, on the Onion's terrific site that the first witty, tasteful and necessary media and political spoofs of the response to the tragedy were pulled off.
The Onion is not an internet only publication. Its been around in a paper version since long before they had a web page.
Unfortunately the Onion recently moved to New York from Madison, Wisconsin, but you can still get your Onion in hard copy form as nature intended it (with many coupons for pizza !). You can even subscribe if you're so inclined.
As I recall, what you were contending is that somewhere in the universe, there was some pocket of matter than may have been cooled lower than the matter in this experiment (20 *nano*Kelving).
No, that's not waht I said at all;). I said near the beginning of this painfully long thread:
There are certainly processes which results in matter cooler than the microwave background.
So I may be an optimist about there being fantastic things in the universe that we haven't discovered, but I'm not quite that far off the deep end. So relax, I'm not a quack;), though I may not have thought this all the way through. I agree that nK temperatures are unlikely in nature (and pretty much impossible from this source), but I think that sub 3K temperatures are possible.
1) you don't seem to understand the cooling. You just describe one-D confinement. They are different. You gloss over or omit the high-field seekers and low-field seekers. You talk about *plasma* which is a VERY HOT STATE of matter. Cooling to fractional-K temperatures by magnetic fields is of NEUTRAL species with magnetic moments. NOT PLASMAS.
I'm sorry, but your mistaken. Plasmas are not necessarily hot, though they are necessarily ionized. Diffuse, cool plasmas are expected in the intergalactic medium.
This reference mentions.01 eV ~= 100 K plasmas in the intergalactic medium. Is it stretching it a little bit to think this method could cool from 100K to 2.5? Probably, but then again our understanding of the intergalctic medium is based on pretty sketchy evidence. So it wouldn't surprise me if there were regions of space with plasmas with temps around 10K, that this technique could cool below 3 K. Of course these plasma would have very low densities so that all of the particles wouldn't recombine into atoms, but even is the fraction of the material was only slightly ionized, this technique would still work.
Anyway, I didn't say that this idea was of publishable quality, its just an idea I through out there due to annoyance at the person who started this thread who seemed much too human-centric to me;).
Slashdot Mirror
- ssh - OpenSSH port of BSD's version of ssh that branched off the last free version of ssh put out by ssh's original developers. It has supported ssh protocol version 2 since roughly August of 2000, and versions supporting ssh2 made it into Debian soon there after. Currently version 3.01p is in Debian, and I think its pretty much equivalent to to the non-free ssh3.
- ssh-nonfree - non-free version of ssh from its original developers. It only supports ssh protocol version 1.
- ssh2 - Version of ssh supporting ssh protocol 2 from the makers of ssh-nonfree. License is more restrictive than ssh-nonfree's license.
- ssh3 - As far as i can tell its not packaged yet. Is the license more restrictive than ssh3? Regardless, there is no ssh protocol version 3.
Anyway, Debian has had ssh protocol version 2 support for a long time,.That's odd - it worked for a while. Well, try this version.
Google's cache works.
Why should they drop it? A lively debate is healthy and helps to focus the views on both sides. People with opposing views should try to promote their views. This sort of debate allows new developers and users to become informed on licensing issues, so that they make intelligent decisions about where their views lie on licensing issues.
Well, slashdot is already a defendant in this case, so presumably the pertinent slashdot article could already have been evidence.
Try running Windowmaker. Its smaller and prettier than CDE.
No kidding, its a half baked opinion hiding in the form of a question. I don't use Slack or know much about it, but the person who posed the question didn't seem to have much evidence to back up his claim.
of course, those days are long gone, but it probably didn't take that much extra resources to keep all of the Unix builds going, if they were going to keep one going.
Yeah, I meant old, big iron Unix (SunOS, AIX, HPUX, etc.). And from the context of what browsers netscape was shipping, I meant excluding Linux and OS X. But I wasn't clear.
Also, you missed at least one OSs that Netscape 6 is available - Sun. I think Netscape may have passed more of the responsibility for that build to Sun, but it is still full blown Netscape. Since Sun is the biggest Unix at this point, it makes sense that they'd still be supported
From the Imation site it sounds like you don't have to hobble the files. " * Record six hours WMA-quality music or three hours of MP3 in less than five minutes." It also sounds like it doesn't do the encoding either - just transfers files from computers.
This is old news.
Or better yet just read your email from a shell account that you login into via ssh. Mutt rocks!
Anyway, I didn't say that this idea was of publishable quality, its just an idea I through out there due to annoyance at the person who started this thread who seemed much too human-centric to me ;).