Free press is about gov't intervention, not who owns the presses. How many times must people be reminded that the BoR only applies to the government and what it CAN'T do?
It's interesting that you say don't mention 3rd party politicians and NH, since the Free State Project chose NH as the place to have all the participants move to... and help keep the Massholes in their state.
And yet with no proof those were the soldiers who "murdered 10,000+ innocent civilians." How is that any different than the widow of a 9/11 victim killing random Saudis on the street?
The Internet in its first ten years wasn't full of regular people, just techies. The parts of the 'net that are still primarly the domain of the techie are still free.
Besides, if you're no in the US (as has been pointed out many times), you can simply ignore the law.
In my idealist world, I pretty much agree with you. In my real world, I think some of my idealism simply won't work.
That said, wouldn't you be able to tell the difference between the abuse of a hundred prisoners* and the killing of a hundred thousand people?
* I will be BULLSHIT if the perpetrators don't end up spending many, many years in Levenworth. Yeah, abuse and torture are horrible, but isn't killing even worse?
Run for office yourself, then. If you've got good ideas, other people will agree with you, and give you a shot at office. At the very least, you can get some of your ideas across in a public forum, a la Dean.
>>These are useful tales for campfire story time, and tell the people an important moral lesson (God is good, don't doubt it or he will smite your ass), they may have some basis in fact even, but they are not literal stories, they did not happen as written, these are parables.
That's exactly what I learned in my theology class in my Catholic HS. Even the priest said that, in a historical sense, the Bible should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt.
One of my hobbies is R/C car racing. The people I race with are HUGE NASCAR fans, some white collar, some blue collar, and few are big fans of Bush. They're similar to being in your boat... don't like one guy but really don't like the other. They're not particularly religious either, half don't have guns in the house, some were in the service but think it's being abused by this administration
It's also interesting you brought up Dean. Believe it or not (and I usually don't discuss my voting in public), I voted for Dean in the NH primary.
I just don't buy into the idea that the media has that much influence. I mean, I watch ABC News every night I'm home, but I don't believe every word that Peter Jennings says, nor do I believe every word of CNN, MSNBC, or Fox (hottest anchors ever).
I also believe that eventually the nation's political apathy will reach its low point, people will say, "It's time for a change," and vote out the offenders (hopefully gutting both sides of the aisle). But I suppose I'm a political optimist.
Anyway, have a good night. Good discussion today. I apologize for my disjointed replies, too... goes along with my oft-disjointed thinking.
I've never liked the "Love it or leave it" rebuff. Things don't get fixed if everyone gives up. And I've never bought into the idea that the US political system can't be fixed. If politicians aren't doing what you think is the right thing, DON'T FUCKING VOTE FOR THEM.
I do have some questions for you, though: do you really believe there is a liberal, (silent) majority? Or a conservative, (silent) majority? Or that the margin of victory/defeat in Florida wasn't smaller than the margin of error? Or that everyone who watches NASCAR is a Bush-loving redneck? How does moving making you anything but a quitter? Do you really think the US populace has ever had a truely informed voting? And why don't you suggest any ways to fix what you see as problems? Do you think Bush is a true conservative, or that Kerry is really all that liberal?
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If the White House was burned down in what in the 1810s, and Canada wasn't a country until 1867... there seems to be a math issue here.
It's kinda like saying India won WWII, since they were subjects of the British Empire.
Sweden isn't large in population or area, nor is it diverse (about as diverse as NH, I'd guess). How can you really make a valid comparison?
Are there any "first world" countries that have the diversity of the US?
So you're advocating the gov't regulates what goes on in the press?
It's mutually exclusive: either the gov't tells the press what to do or the press can make its own choice (ie, lie or not).
What does Iraq have to do with 9/11? We all know nothing, but responding to the other poster doesn't help break the confusion.
Free press is about gov't intervention, not who owns the presses. How many times must people be reminded that the BoR only applies to the government and what it CAN'T do?
How many poor people do you know that own businesses and provide jobs?
Also, of note, the War in Iraq wasn't a failure. The cleanup, however, is up for debate.
You also don't seem to mention how, when it comes to bias, both sides of the aisle use the exact same dirty tricks.
Now, where might I find a "liberal" news organization that I can use to broaden my views?
Posting logged-in to take the karma hit but to get your reply.
Enjoy your weekend!
Good point. I never looked at it like that. Thanks for pointing it out.
Though one could argue that with something like $1-2 trillion in investments here, blackmail is often an occurance.
It's interesting that you say don't mention 3rd party politicians and NH, since the Free State Project chose NH as the place to have all the participants move to... and help keep the Massholes in their state.
And yet with no proof those were the soldiers who "murdered 10,000+ innocent civilians." How is that any different than the widow of a 9/11 victim killing random Saudis on the street?
Apples and oranges.
The Internet in its first ten years wasn't full of regular people, just techies. The parts of the 'net that are still primarly the domain of the techie are still free.
Besides, if you're no in the US (as has been pointed out many times), you can simply ignore the law.
New York State isn't the US government.
Though both will tax anything that moves (and stuff that doesn't).
In my idealist world, I pretty much agree with you. In my real world, I think some of my idealism simply won't work.
That said, wouldn't you be able to tell the difference between the abuse of a hundred prisoners* and the killing of a hundred thousand people?
* I will be BULLSHIT if the perpetrators don't end up spending many, many years in Levenworth. Yeah, abuse and torture are horrible, but isn't killing even worse?
Wasn't Marconi's first radio broadcast made from Cape Cod? When did Italy annex Yuppyland?
Isn't it also unfair, illegal and cruel to strap a bomb to your chest and blow up a bus at the behest of Mr. Arafat?
Can you please cite your source? We all know better than to just agree or disagree without proof.
Doesn't France also have a large deficit and debt? What about Germany? How do they compare as a percentage of GDP?
That's why my question used the present tense, and not the past... we all know the used to be huge assholes, so, have they changed?
Does IBM patent things with the idea that they can then use the patents to prevent other people's software from interacting with their own?
Depends on the quality of the food establishments nearby.
Run for office yourself, then. If you've got good ideas, other people will agree with you, and give you a shot at office. At the very least, you can get some of your ideas across in a public forum, a la Dean.
>>These are useful tales for campfire story time, and tell the people an important moral lesson (God is good, don't doubt it or he will smite your ass), they may have some basis in fact even, but they are not literal stories, they did not happen as written, these are parables.
That's exactly what I learned in my theology class in my Catholic HS. Even the priest said that, in a historical sense, the Bible should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt.
One of my hobbies is R/C car racing. The people I race with are HUGE NASCAR fans, some white collar, some blue collar, and few are big fans of Bush. They're similar to being in your boat... don't like one guy but really don't like the other. They're not particularly religious either, half don't have guns in the house, some were in the service but think it's being abused by this administration
It's also interesting you brought up Dean. Believe it or not (and I usually don't discuss my voting in public), I voted for Dean in the NH primary.
I just don't buy into the idea that the media has that much influence. I mean, I watch ABC News every night I'm home, but I don't believe every word that Peter Jennings says, nor do I believe every word of CNN, MSNBC, or Fox (hottest anchors ever).
I also believe that eventually the nation's political apathy will reach its low point, people will say, "It's time for a change," and vote out the offenders (hopefully gutting both sides of the aisle). But I suppose I'm a political optimist.
Anyway, have a good night. Good discussion today. I apologize for my disjointed replies, too... goes along with my oft-disjointed thinking.
I've never liked the "Love it or leave it" rebuff. Things don't get fixed if everyone gives up. And I've never bought into the idea that the US political system can't be fixed. If politicians aren't doing what you think is the right thing, DON'T FUCKING VOTE FOR THEM.
That's quite a post. I'm sorry you feel that way.
I do have some questions for you, though: do you really believe there is a liberal, (silent) majority? Or a conservative, (silent) majority? Or that the margin of victory/defeat in Florida wasn't smaller than the margin of error? Or that everyone who watches NASCAR is a Bush-loving redneck? How does moving making you anything but a quitter? Do you really think the US populace has ever had a truely informed voting? And why don't you suggest any ways to fix what you see as problems? Do you think Bush is a true conservative, or that Kerry is really all that liberal?
So, what are the uncraptastic tools to replace the M and P in the Unix world?