The organizations pushing for these changes are not "Copyright holders" and there is no "Copyright industry."
These are clearly trade organizations attempting to censor the Internet to effect a better bottom line. They are not the holder of any rights, other than being the US Hollywood movie studio and music lobbying arms, and they bring nothing to the table.
Death to the MPAA, RIAA, and BSA. Long live freedom of speech, expression, and no more stupid nonsense words like "Copyright Industry."
You're on a committee about things you don't understand.
Your CHAIR is another guy who knows nothing about this.
You have come up with rules about how to implement this (e.g. "these people will have access" "these people will not have access") and you don't even know what "access" is.
Here's my advice.
You're fired. You're all the worst kind of incompetent... the kind that EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW that you know nothing you insist on doing it.
Dipshits like you are a dime a dozen. Don't worry. You'll be replaced, but odds being what they are you'll be replaced by someone smarter.
Federal Judges are IDIOTS. This one is no exception. He COULD wait for a precedent (he didn't). He could AUTHOR ONE (he's too stupid to do that). Or he could WRITE a decision that doesn't take anything into account like the asshat that he is (he did). What? US Federal Judge is an asshat? Yeah. This one also. Am I calling him a moron? NO, I think he's a total asshat chickenshit idiot.
A statistical error, a Sample of Convenience is when data is used that is "easily acquired" instead of "equally acquired." Network Applications is able to detect which browser is used by those who went to the pages Network Applications chose to monitor.
Here's an edge case. Let's say that all users of X-OS are stupid people who love celebrities. Someone observing the X-Kardashian web site might note that lots more people use X-OS. This is a sample of convenience. It doesn't take into account the source of the traffic.
Another example: go to an upscale shopping mall. Watch phones. The convenience sample is NOT of "phones" but rather "phones used by people in public who shop at an upscale mall." Perhaps I, a discriminating polite person, will not pull my phone out in a mall for no reason. Perhaps I will pull out my Nokia N900 and not the Android phone. In either case, there are other factors, but it's "convenient" to do NOTHING to remove the bias.
I sure hope Java ME and IOS and Android continue to dominate. I also hope SURVEY TAKERS who do a piss-poor job of removing bias GO OUT OF BUSINESS.
Iran is like that third-world pimply kid next door who thinks he can date the head cheerleader.
They don't have ICBMs. They fake missile launches. They can't refine nuclear weapons. They can't even get a monkey into space. Their suckage is legendary.
Really they're a dirty third-world country that want to pretend to be "the great Persian Empire" except they forgot that Iran was NOT the heart or the meat of said empire.
Welcome to third-world ass pimplehood, Iran. Your supreme Ayatola is the head pimple. E
But in the United States, the Presidential Elections (that's what we were talking about) are NOT counted live, are not online, and votes are not verifiable.
So take you "in my precinct" and "in my parish" and" in my county" attitude and shove it.
I'd gladly give you up and the other traitors who don't care that we have laws about frequency spectra, transmission, and being able to FIND WHERE YOU ARE, SEARCH AND RESCUE, GET PLANES ON RUNWAYS (I'm a helicopter pilot), AND FIND THINGS,
for actual nothing. We already have these.
You want broadband competition? That's a good goal too. It's possible to get that without sacrificing the above.
Just like TSA doesn't equal heightened security, only heightened hassle, giving up the GPS frequencies doesn't equal broadband competition. It only equals heightened hassle.
Broadband competition - good. GPS - good. LightSquared raping one for not providing the other - bad.
LOL. No, the testing was done by lots of people. I'd post a link but I don't want to insult your intelligence by making it a google search. (Yes, there are LOTS of research results.)
LightSquared interferes with most commercially viable GPS receivers.
Could GPS manufacturers have made their products less sensitive (e.g. "WORSE") and be more immune to being totally decimated by this? Sure. The big win is that GPS manufacturers worked to get us good tech. LightSquared has nothing new to offer, but would eliminate GPS in the process.
Sorry, as much as I'm a fan of new technology, GPS trumps Yet Another Wireless Provider Panacea.
LighSquared technology IS IN VIOLATION OF CURRENT FCC RULES and requires an exemption. LightSquared will mess with GPS for airplanes. (I'm a pilot). LightSquared will mess with GPS for drivers. (I'm a driver) LightSquared will remove GPS as being a useful technology in North America. (I'm in North America).
It will put North American users in the dark ages.
That alone is reason enough they should not be given said exemption.
It's only being debated because they have powerful backers.
Blow them all the hell up and improve our country.
Unions are obsolete. They have destroyed our automotive sector, they are destroying our healthcare sector, and they have no business in IT.
Unions are the mafia of business. If you don't like the RIAA/MPAA/BSA/MAFIAA then you should stand up to the unions that are the mafia as well.
I'm sure it was great to claim that Unions saved kids from working in coal mines... but that's just mythology. Unions cause higher expense to companies, greater waste, all of which is passed on to us, the customers.
Unions: go screw yourselves. Send your goombas elsewhere. We don't want to pay for them, you, your shop steward, your "smoke breaks" or anything else that raises our costs and provides NOTHING useful.
FYI those of you who are thinking "Oh but 380VDC could be used in a 240VAC PSU if we take the rectifier out" you are RIGHT except for the fact that these are switching PSUs so... no... it wouldn't work at all.
Back to -48VDC we go.
Try making up new standards all day long. This has been a standard in data centers for over forty years for a reason. And if battery rooms aren't going to be funded by data centers, and expensive PSUs won't be funded by server owners, the warlock tiger blood winner here is "failure".
Other posters have asked: > Why should he have been stopped?
Iran is the bully on the block who lacks the technical expertise to do much of anything right. This includes oil refinery (none), centrifuges (slow), monkeys into space (sorry all dead), etc. They are also the saber-rattlers of the neighborhood. Not Syria, Lebanon, or even the militant Hamas rattle sabers like Iran. They are the LAST country that should have nuclear weapons, and THAT is why the nuclear scientist should have been stopped.
Other poster: >...north Korea... North Korea is cute. They aren't trying to recreate "the great Persian Empire" at the expense of every country around them. Yes, they have nukes. (They didn't use a rogue scientist for this). Yes, they have delivery mechanisms. But ultimately they're not trying to conquer the countries (read "vast swaths of ocean") around them.
Other: >...Why should only the US and its friends get to be in the nuclear club...
Evolution. The end result -- to quote Larry Niven -- "Think of it as evolution in action."
lol high tech is getting modded down! EFIS is used for primary flight controls and has been since the Boeing 767 in the early 1980s. I know the US FAA requires "Steam gauges" to be in the aircraft, they're certainly not used to monitor N1 and TOT! Nobody uses them to monitor fuel and "adjust for altitude" lol. Garmin has recently upgraded its series to allow for touchscreens and remove buttons. I don't know who the OP is anymore but "knobs and buttons" and other mechanical actuators have been soundly rejected by pilots, boaters, and military men.
You make a very good point, as does the PP. My thinking is "he made a database query" and got back 568 results, and shared the availability of that data with the Fund (the lawyer's client). I don't suspect he automated a system to do "568 queries" as that number is not only overbroad, but not a rational number to choose.
All analogies are flawed. They analogize the real part to a false part. They all break down somewhere:) I recognize mine is not perfect. The point I was making, which the analogy was meant to bolster is that the researcher (Patrick) did them a favor by noticing them of a failure in the security model. That he got access to data [that he shouldn't] in the process is clearly not the goal nor relevant.
However, I'm sure we'll hear from lawyers and Australian lawyers as this plays out. I REALLY HOPE it doesn't get hushed up and settled quietly. This has the obvious possible ramifications of CHILLING future open disclosure of security flaws, and THAT is worse than any of this issue.
Mr. Webster informed your client of a security flaw in their software that allows access to members' confidential and financial information. He did so in accordance with accepted business principles of Full and Open Disclosure.
Your response shows that your law firm clearly lacks an understanding of the law, the facts, and of technology. I'll use an analogy to make these complicated ideas seem simpler. If I spot your garage door is wide open, and I enter, say "hello," and let you know that you left it open... that is not trespassing. It is a good Samaritan effort to inform you. Your bullying email is not the right response.
Your bullying letter to Mr. Webster strongly suggests that you need to get an expert who understands the technology.
That way you won't come across like a ludite, and have yourself, your law firm, and your client, show yourselves to be total head-in-the-sand ostriches. Your client was notified about a security flaw, and now wants the security researcher to pay for them to fix it? Absurd.
It's one thing to be uneducated. That can be corrected. It's quite another to be uninformed and open one's mouth and prove it. You've done the latter.
Respond back to the letter being factual and honest. Tell the lawyer you're not using any unlicensed or unlawfully copied software. SAY NO MORE THAN THAT.
Thank him for his time, and wait for his next letter. DO NOT sit there in a panic. Wait for his next letter and see what he says. It's too early for you to engage a lawyer if you've done nothing wrong.
Here's a draft
Dear BSA Attorney, Thank you for your note of the 29th. We've reviewed software use at OurCompany and we have no unlicensed nor unlawfully copied software.
Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention so we can put it to rest,
You're right... hurt is not what I intended. I think we have different ideas on what a terrorist is... or how to either prevent them from committing terrorist acts, and further preventing them from doing so once we've caught that.
I probably chose my words poorly, since I did not communicate my meaning well. I apologize.
I'll try not to let my "rhetorical agenda run away" with me again;)
As I said, I am sorry for the event and your loss. Please don't confuse my saying "this isn't terrorism" with a lack of empathy to the loss.
Recidivism is reduced by death penalties. No executed criminal has ever committed another crime. I'll leave it to you to work out how that's 100% effective. It's not prophylactic but it is effective in removing repeat offenders.
Thanks for the "fuck you". If that helps you feel better at this tragedy, I am big enough to take it. However, may I respectfully suggest that - it's still not terrorism. It's a random act of crazy killings. - If you would kill people who do this, they won't do it again. - Thanks for bringing up "150 kids" because if we can't boil it down to an argument about Nazi Germany or "the Children will Suffer" than truly we'll never be able to reach a conclusion. (Godwin's law.)
I'm sorry you have your crazies. We have them too. It's bad that 90+ people died. I hope that guy is executed for what he did. Oh. What's that? You don't have a death penalty? No, seriously?
Wait, you mean some whacko can kill 90+ people and you're going to just whack him on the ass with a ruler?
Well I guess IF IT WAS TERRORISM you guys SUCK at preventing its happening again.
best regards
love, the real world P.S. Try to turn the other cheek and not reply to this. It's the same kind of idea of not executing mass-murderers.
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The organizations pushing for these changes are not "Copyright holders" and there is no "Copyright industry."
These are clearly trade organizations attempting to censor the Internet to effect a better bottom line. They are not the holder of any rights, other than being the US Hollywood movie studio and music lobbying arms, and they bring nothing to the table.
Death to the MPAA, RIAA, and BSA. Long live freedom of speech, expression, and no more stupid nonsense words like "Copyright Industry."
Seriously.
E
You're on a committee about things you don't understand.
Your CHAIR is another guy who knows nothing about this.
You have come up with rules about how to implement this (e.g. "these people will have access" "these people will not have access") and you don't even know what "access" is.
Here's my advice.
You're fired. You're all the worst kind of incompetent... the kind that EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW that you know nothing you insist on doing it.
Dipshits like you are a dime a dozen. Don't worry. You'll be replaced, but odds being what they are you'll be replaced by someone smarter.
E
Federal Judges are IDIOTS. This one is no exception. He COULD wait for a precedent (he didn't). He could AUTHOR ONE (he's too stupid to do that). Or he could WRITE a decision that doesn't take anything into account like the asshat that he is (he did). What? US Federal Judge is an asshat? Yeah. This one also. Am I calling him a moron? NO, I think he's a total asshat chickenshit idiot.
A statistical error, a Sample of Convenience is when data is used that is "easily acquired" instead of "equally acquired." Network Applications is able to detect which browser is used by those who went to the pages Network Applications chose to monitor.
Here's an edge case. Let's say that all users of X-OS are stupid people who love celebrities. Someone observing the X-Kardashian web site might note that lots more people use X-OS. This is a sample of convenience. It doesn't take into account the source of the traffic.
Another example: go to an upscale shopping mall. Watch phones. The convenience sample is NOT of "phones" but rather "phones used by people in public who shop at an upscale mall." Perhaps I, a discriminating polite person, will not pull my phone out in a mall for no reason. Perhaps I will pull out my Nokia N900 and not the Android phone. In either case, there are other factors, but it's "convenient" to do NOTHING to remove the bias.
I sure hope Java ME and IOS and Android continue to dominate. I also hope SURVEY TAKERS who do a piss-poor job of removing bias GO OUT OF BUSINESS.
Iran is like that third-world pimply kid next door who thinks he can date the head cheerleader.
They don't have ICBMs. They fake missile launches. They can't refine nuclear weapons. They can't even get a monkey into space. Their suckage is legendary.
Really they're a dirty third-world country that want to pretend to be "the great Persian Empire" except they forgot that Iran was NOT the heart or the meat of said empire.
Welcome to third-world ass pimplehood, Iran. Your supreme Ayatola is the head pimple.
E
The judge is a stupid son of a bitch.
He is not only an idiot, but doesn't understand prior restraint, freedom of speech, and thinks his shit shouldn't stink for 50 years.
E
Not sure where ALL of YOU live,
But in the United States, the Presidential Elections (that's what we were talking about)
are NOT counted live, are not online, and votes are not verifiable.
So take you "in my precinct" and "in my parish" and" in my county" attitude and shove it.
US Presidential elections are not transparent.
E
The US won't put voting results online. Won't make them public. Won't allow analysis.
Wow, we're worse than RUSSIA!!!
I suppose maybe before we whine about THEIR elections we should make ours as transparent and fair.
Good luck with that.
E
By 2026 Europa will be the only place the Euro is useful currency.
E
I'd gladly give you up and the other traitors who don't care that we have laws about frequency spectra, transmission, and being able to FIND WHERE YOU ARE, SEARCH AND RESCUE, GET PLANES ON RUNWAYS (I'm a helicopter pilot), AND FIND THINGS,
for actual nothing. We already have these.
You want broadband competition? That's a good goal too. It's possible to get that without sacrificing the above.
Just like TSA doesn't equal heightened security, only heightened hassle, giving up the GPS frequencies doesn't equal broadband competition. It only equals heightened hassle.
Broadband competition - good.
GPS - good.
LightSquared raping one for not providing the other - bad.
E
LOL. No, the testing was done by lots of people. I'd post a link but I don't want to insult your intelligence by making it a google search. (Yes, there are LOTS of research results.)
LightSquared interferes with most commercially viable GPS receivers.
Could GPS manufacturers have made their products less sensitive (e.g. "WORSE") and be more immune to being totally decimated by this? Sure. The big win is that GPS manufacturers worked to get us good tech. LightSquared has nothing new to offer, but would eliminate GPS in the process.
Sorry, as much as I'm a fan of new technology, GPS trumps Yet Another Wireless Provider Panacea.
Cheers,
E
LighSquared technology IS IN VIOLATION OF CURRENT FCC RULES and requires an exemption.
LightSquared will mess with GPS for airplanes. (I'm a pilot).
LightSquared will mess with GPS for drivers. (I'm a driver)
LightSquared will remove GPS as being a useful technology in North America. (I'm in North America).
It will put North American users in the dark ages.
That alone is reason enough they should not be given said exemption.
It's only being debated because they have powerful backers.
Blow them all the hell up and improve our country.
E
Here's a way to improve the world. Get rid of racist foul-mouthed jerks.
> Northern Europe and Scandinavia.... both of which are doing pretty well
Scandinavia isn't a county, it's the northern European section which includes Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia
So to translate what you said into English:
"Northern Europe and Northern Europe.... both of which are doing pretty well."
There are two automobile manufacturers in "Northern Europe" aka Scandinavia, both Swedish.
Saab is shut down.
Volvo is Chinese.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/07/european-makers-volvo-sales-up-42-in-june/1
Neither is unionized.
Best regards
E
P.S. Southern North America, the Southwest United States, and the State of Arizona are all three great places to live!
Unions are obsolete. They have destroyed our automotive sector, they are destroying our healthcare sector, and they have no business in IT.
Unions are the mafia of business. If you don't like the RIAA/MPAA/BSA/MAFIAA then you should stand up to the unions that are the mafia as well.
I'm sure it was great to claim that Unions saved kids from working in coal mines... but that's just mythology. Unions cause higher expense to
companies, greater waste, all of which is passed on to us, the customers.
Unions: go screw yourselves. Send your goombas elsewhere. We don't want to pay for them, you, your shop steward, your "smoke breaks" or anything else that raises our costs and provides NOTHING useful.
IT needs unions like a burger needs kimche.
E
FYI those of you who are thinking "Oh but 380VDC could be used in a 240VAC PSU if we take the rectifier out" you are RIGHT except for the fact that these are switching PSUs so... no... it wouldn't work at all.
Back to -48VDC we go.
Try making up new standards all day long. This has been a standard in data centers for over forty years for a reason. And if battery rooms aren't going to be funded by data centers, and expensive PSUs won't be funded by server owners, the warlock tiger blood winner here is "failure".
Sure, it's more efficient because we don't need all those switching PSUs.
Of course nobody wants to buy more expensive servers with DC PSUs. So, that's out.
And Data Centers don't want to waste 1/4 of their space on battery rooms, so that's out.
And 380V is not any standard anybody uses to deliver -48VDC (the real standard for data center DC voltage).
So overall, I'd say GOOD JOB APRIL 1 and this is all a pile of stuff that will never happen.
E
> How could he have been stopped?
A well-placed shot from a Barrett 0.50.
Other posters have asked:
> Why should he have been stopped?
Iran is the bully on the block who lacks the technical expertise to do much of anything right. This includes oil refinery (none), centrifuges (slow), monkeys into space (sorry all dead), etc. They are also the saber-rattlers of the neighborhood. Not Syria, Lebanon, or even the militant Hamas rattle sabers like Iran. They are the LAST country that should have nuclear weapons, and THAT is why the nuclear scientist should have been stopped.
Other poster: ...north Korea...
>
North Korea is cute. They aren't trying to recreate "the great Persian Empire" at the expense of every country around them. Yes, they have nukes. (They didn't use a rogue scientist for this). Yes, they have delivery mechanisms. But ultimately they're not trying to conquer the countries (read "vast swaths of ocean") around them.
Other: ...Why should only the US and its friends get to be in the nuclear club...
>
Evolution. The end result -- to quote Larry Niven -- "Think of it as evolution in action."
E
lol high tech is getting modded down! EFIS is used for primary flight controls and has been since the Boeing 767 in the early 1980s. I know the US FAA requires "Steam gauges" to be in the aircraft, they're certainly not used to monitor N1 and TOT! Nobody uses them to monitor fuel and "adjust for altitude" lol. Garmin has recently upgraded its series to allow for touchscreens and remove buttons. I don't know who the OP is anymore but "knobs and buttons" and other mechanical actuators have been soundly rejected by pilots, boaters, and military men.
You make a very good point, as does the PP. My thinking is "he made a database query" and got back 568 results, and shared the availability of that data with the Fund (the lawyer's client). I don't suspect he automated a system to do "568 queries" as that number is not only overbroad, but not a rational number to choose.
All analogies are flawed. They analogize the real part to a false part. They all break down somewhere :) I recognize mine is not perfect. The point I was making, which the analogy was meant to bolster is that the researcher (Patrick) did them a favor by noticing them of a failure in the security model. That he got access to data [that he shouldn't] in the process is clearly not the goal nor relevant.
However, I'm sure we'll hear from lawyers and Australian lawyers as this plays out. I REALLY HOPE it doesn't get hushed up and settled quietly. This has the obvious possible ramifications of CHILLING future open disclosure of security flaws, and THAT is worse than any of this issue.
Regards,
Ehud
It took a lot of work to delete all references to "ass" and "douchebag".
Ehud
Dear Maged,
I read with interest your letter to Patrick Webster copied at
http://i.haymarket.net.au/News/20111014034645_FSS-Solicitors_Redacted.pdf
Mr. Webster informed your client of a security flaw in their software that allows
access to members' confidential and financial information. He did so in accordance
with accepted business principles of Full and Open Disclosure.
Your response shows that your law firm clearly lacks an understanding of the law,
the facts, and of technology. I'll use an analogy to make these complicated
ideas seem simpler. If I spot your garage door is wide open, and I enter, say
"hello," and let you know that you left it open... that is not trespassing. It is
a good Samaritan effort to inform you. Your bullying email is not the right
response.
Your bullying letter to Mr. Webster strongly suggests that you need to get an
expert who understands the technology.
That way you won't come across like a ludite, and have yourself, your law firm,
and your client, show yourselves to be total head-in-the-sand ostriches. Your
client was notified about a security flaw, and now wants the security researcher
to pay for them to fix it? Absurd.
It's one thing to be uneducated. That can be corrected. It's quite another
to be uninformed and open one's mouth and prove it. You've done the latter.
Best and kindest regards.
Ehud Gavron
Tucson AZ USA
Respond back to the letter being factual and honest. Tell the lawyer you're not using any unlicensed or unlawfully copied software.
SAY NO MORE THAN THAT.
Thank him for his time, and wait for his next letter. DO NOT sit there in a panic. Wait for his next letter and see what he says. It's too early for you to engage a lawyer if you've done nothing wrong.
Here's a draft
Dear BSA Attorney,
Thank you for your note of the 29th. We've reviewed software use at OurCompany and we have no unlicensed nor unlawfully copied software.
Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention so we can put it to rest,
Best regards,
You
You're right... hurt is not what I intended. I think we have different ideas on what a terrorist is... or how to either prevent them from committing terrorist acts, and further preventing them from doing so once we've caught that.
I probably chose my words poorly, since I did not communicate my meaning well. I apologize.
I'll try not to let my "rhetorical agenda run away" with me again ;)
Pax
E
I'm not sure about the know-it-all agenda.
As I said, I am sorry for the event and your loss. Please don't confuse my saying "this isn't terrorism" with a lack of empathy to the loss.
Recidivism is reduced by death penalties. No executed criminal has ever committed another crime. I'll leave it to you to work out how that's 100% effective. It's not prophylactic but it is effective in removing repeat offenders.
Thanks for the "fuck you". If that helps you feel better at this tragedy, I am big enough to take it. However, may I respectfully suggest that
- it's still not terrorism. It's a random act of crazy killings.
- If you would kill people who do this, they won't do it again.
- Thanks for bringing up "150 kids" because if we can't boil it down to an argument about Nazi Germany or "the Children will Suffer" than truly we'll never be able to reach a conclusion. (Godwin's law.)
Have a nice day,
E
Dear Norway,
Sorry you peed your pants.
I'm sorry you have your crazies. We have them too. It's bad that 90+ people died. I hope that guy is executed for what he did.
Oh. What's that? You don't have a death penalty? No, seriously?
Wait, you mean some whacko can kill 90+ people and you're going to just whack him on the ass with a ruler?
Well I guess IF IT WAS TERRORISM you guys SUCK at preventing its happening again.
best regards
love, the real world
P.S. Try to turn the other cheek and not reply to this. It's the same kind of idea of not executing mass-murderers.