It is interesting that a guy passing counterfeit $200 bills with Geroge W Bush's pictures cannot be charged for counterfeiting because there is no such thing as a $200 bill...
You can't counterfeit something that doesn't exist. It's not interesting. It's common sense.
If you offer for sale "Thomas Jefferson's Laser Printer" any normal person is going to assume that you're either joking or that someone other than the former President who happened to have the same name once owned the printer.
If you offer "Thomas Jefferson's Dualing Pistol" and it isn't a dualing pistol that was once owned by the former President, then you have a problem.
"Whites split their vote evenly" is another strawman of yours. I never said that.
You inferred it by challenging me to prove the opposite.
What the government calls people" should be reflected in the census data. And like I explained even if 9 out of 10 Hispanics on this list were misclassified as white...
I'll deal with this later.
If they make up 20% of the population you should expect to find about 5000 on the list. Not 60, not even 600. This won't happen by chance, even with the help of Diego Delgado.
Figures lie and you're lying with figures. If we were talking about a random sampling of society, you'd be correct. We're not talking about a random sampling. We're talking about a list of people believed to be ex-cons. In case you haven't noticed, the ratio of the various ethnicities in free society isn't mirrored in the populations of our prisons.
Since we're talking about felons (or possible felons) I use the federal bureau of prisons as my source. I picked the name Jesus Ruiz because it is obviously a latino name. Guess what? The federal bureau of prisons classifies all 12 of them as white.
Same result of Jesus Ortiz, all 24 of of them are considered white. Jesus Rodriguez, 82 out of 84 are considered white.
It's obvious that the government misclassifies MANY latinos as white. You can't get accurate statistics if yuo're starting with inaccurate numbers.
So out of 119 people who are obviously Latino. 117 of them are classified as white and 2 of them are classified as black. The ratio of latinos misclassified by the government is even greater than 9 out of 10 when it comes to prison inmates.
Whoever gains office next week doesnt just affect the US, it affects the world, but only the US gets to say who gains office.
Whoever gains power in Iraq has an effect on the US. Whoever has power in China has an effect on the US. We have no say in those decisions, why should other people have a say in who we elect?
Yeah, so? Are you implying that these white people were all going to vote for Bush? Or they would split their votes between candidates any less evenly than any other group of white people?
Well, since you bring it up, yes. In states that have a lower proportion of minority voters, like Pennsylvania or California, a higher percentage of the white voters voted for Gore in 2000.
If the Democrats are right about why the Republicans are trying to exclude the black people on that list, they have to concede that the white people were more likely to vote Republican. A higher percentage of the whites in Florida voted for Bush than the whites in Pennsylvania or California. As evidenced by the offsetting of the larger minority voting block in that state.
It's not logically consistant to claim that the whites were going to split their vote evenly but that the "minority" voters were going to vote Democrat. If that was reality, Republicans would never win.
Maybe you're right and the felons list is full of movie stars from Blow.
No. Not movie stars. Did you even click on the link? It's for the federal bureau of prisons. Diego Delgado is a real guy. He was a cocaine smuggler. Blow was based upon some of the things he did. I mentioned the movie because it illustrates that this guy (from central America) is Latino. But the government still calls people like him white.
We'd have to hold more elections than there are protons in the universe for even 600 Hispanics to appear on the list, without someone "cooking the books."
All we'd need is 1. How many lottery tickets does someone have to buy to be a winner? Just 1. I'm not sure if you're intentionally misrepresenting probability or you just don't understand.
Don't you think you might be wrong?
Why? Because you can arbitrarily present a formula to "prove" that you're correct?
That's not how probability works, and I suspect that you already know that.
It's perfectly valid to evaluate an attack on minority voting demographic as a partisan maneuver, even if it involves what look like stereotypes when applied at an individual level.
Why is it that those on the "progressive" side are assuming that criminals who happen to be black were going to vote Democrat?
Interesting too, from a statistical viewpoint, is how 22,000 Democratic-leaning blacks but only 61 Republican-leaning Hispanics were among the 48,000 people on the 2000 felons list.
So what you're saying, by not actually saying it, is that about 26,000 of those people were white.
More than half of the people on the list that you refer to are not black.
Assuming that the numbers are accurate and that someone hasn't "cooked the books" so to speak. It still proves nothing. Let us not forget the numbers of hispanics who are counted as white.
Before you try to say that it doesn't happen...Have you ever seen the movie Blow? The very ethnic Diego Delgado is catagorized as "White" by the government.
So let's summarize your points. Less than half of those the Republicans tried to remove from the rolls are black. A government that routinely classifies latinos as "white" only lists a handfull of "hispanics" on the list of those that the Republicans tried to remove from the rolls.
Anything else?
Quit pretending to be stupid. Everyone can see what is going on here.
Yes we can. You're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill so you can have an excuse if your guy loses.
What's stupid is when people argue against price controls because Pharmaceutical companies "won't make a profit" if such controls are imposed in the US.
If they still sell those drugs in Canada, they are obviously making a profit on them. What we have now is the US consumer sponsored subsidy of cheap Canadian drugs.
If they can afford to sell them cheaply in Canada, they could afford to sell them just a cheaply in the US.
But, I think that it's a bad idea to start imposing price controls in the free market of the US. Just let's not pretend that we'll make billion dollar pharmaceutical companies go bankrupt.
Especially in an election where bush has all but given up the black vote (he didn't even meet with the NAACP
In case no one ever told you, the NAACP does not speak for all black people.
First Black Secretary of State, appointed by Bush. Second Black Supreme Court Justice, appointed by elder Bush. First Black National Security Advisor, appointed by Bush.
Why should he waste his time by trying to win over people who have already set their opinions in stone?
In Pittsburgh on an "urban" radio station, I heard a Bush commercial where they slam Kerry for opposing school choice(voichers). After all, rich people can already send their children to private schools. It's the middle class and the poor that need vouchers.
Actually it's around 1800 and the intent is to intimidate minority voters.
In short. I call bullshit.
Florida has a large number of minority voters who are Republicans. Miami Cubans alone are a huge block of Republican voters. Jeb Bush is married to a Latina.
If you're trying to argue that people who are voting illegally are more likely to vote Democrat. I won't argue, I don't know for sure, but minority does not equal Democrat. Especially in Florida.
There already is such an EULA on most "high-end" pets. And on the low-end ones, too -- if you adopt from a shelter, every shelter I've ever been to REQUIRES spay/neuter on adopted pets. Many breeders these days require the same, unless you pay extra for reproduction rights.
I'm waiting for vets to start unspaying and unneutering pets because of just that sort of thing.
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So you are agreeing with me and backing off your previously stated position of :
Not at all.
I'm clarifying it.
If we had price controls here too, the Canadians would need to adjust their prices. We'd still be paying the same low prices that the Canadians do.
LK
And besides, it was Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr who were in a duel. Not Thomas Jefferson
You think that was the only duel in history?
Hell, Jackson was famous for dueling.
LK
Miguel Angel Ramos is listed as white on that list.
Damn do I feel vindicated.
LK
Sheesh! I hope you're not serious. Do you really think only the people of Iraq get to choose their leader?
That's what an election means.
Oh yeah? And the U.S of A had to worry about those non-existant WMDs in Iraq?
You're arguing this point with the wrong man. I was opposed to invading Iraq.
LK
It is interesting that a guy passing counterfeit $200 bills with Geroge W Bush's pictures cannot be charged for counterfeiting because there is no such thing as a $200 bill...
You can't counterfeit something that doesn't exist. It's not interesting. It's common sense.
If you offer for sale "Thomas Jefferson's Laser Printer" any normal person is going to assume that you're either joking or that someone other than the former President who happened to have the same name once owned the printer.
If you offer "Thomas Jefferson's Dualing Pistol" and it isn't a dualing pistol that was once owned by the former President, then you have a problem.
LK
So they taste like almonds.
LK
If it weren't for the huge profits that they make in the US, the Canadians would have to negotiate higher prices.
LK
Hello? Reality check? Last time I looked you had quite a bit of say on who gains power in Iraq.
Really? I haven't gotten my ballot for the Iraqi election yet. Has anyone else over here?
Not having any nuclear arms? (hint: in case you didn't know, they do)
India is the only country that really needs to worry about Pakistan's nukes.
LK
"Whites split their vote evenly" is another strawman of yours. I never said that.
You inferred it by challenging me to prove the opposite.
What the government calls people" should be reflected in the census data. And like I explained even if 9 out of 10 Hispanics on this list were misclassified as white...
I'll deal with this later.
If they make up 20% of the population you should expect to find about 5000 on the list. Not 60, not even 600. This won't happen by chance, even with the help of Diego Delgado.
Figures lie and you're lying with figures. If we were talking about a random sampling of society, you'd be correct. We're not talking about a random sampling. We're talking about a list of people believed to be ex-cons. In case you haven't noticed, the ratio of the various ethnicities in free society isn't mirrored in the populations of our prisons.
Since we're talking about felons (or possible felons) I use the federal bureau of prisons as my source. I picked the name Jesus Ruiz because it is obviously a latino name. Guess what? The federal bureau of prisons classifies all 12 of them as white.
Same result of Jesus Ortiz, all 24 of of them are considered white. Jesus Rodriguez, 82 out of 84 are considered white.
It's obvious that the government misclassifies MANY latinos as white. You can't get accurate statistics if yuo're starting with inaccurate numbers.
So out of 119 people who are obviously Latino. 117 of them are classified as white and 2 of them are classified as black. The ratio of latinos misclassified by the government is even greater than 9 out of 10 when it comes to prison inmates.
LK
Whoever gains office next week doesnt just affect the US, it affects the world, but only the US gets to say who gains office.
Whoever gains power in Iraq has an effect on the US. Whoever has power in China has an effect on the US. We have no say in those decisions, why should other people have a say in who we elect?
LK
Yeah, so? Are you implying that these white people were all going to vote for Bush? Or they would split their votes between candidates any less evenly than any other group of white people?
Well, since you bring it up, yes. In states that have a lower proportion of minority voters, like Pennsylvania or California, a higher percentage of the white voters voted for Gore in 2000.
If the Democrats are right about why the Republicans are trying to exclude the black people on that list, they have to concede that the white people were more likely to vote Republican. A higher percentage of the whites in Florida voted for Bush than the whites in Pennsylvania or California. As evidenced by the offsetting of the larger minority voting block in that state.
It's not logically consistant to claim that the whites were going to split their vote evenly but that the "minority" voters were going to vote Democrat. If that was reality, Republicans would never win.
Maybe you're right and the felons list is full of movie stars from Blow.
No. Not movie stars. Did you even click on the link? It's for the federal bureau of prisons. Diego Delgado is a real guy. He was a cocaine smuggler. Blow was based upon some of the things he did. I mentioned the movie because it illustrates that this guy (from central America) is Latino. But the government still calls people like him white.
We'd have to hold more elections than there are protons in the universe for even 600 Hispanics to appear on the list, without someone "cooking the books."
All we'd need is 1. How many lottery tickets does someone have to buy to be a winner? Just 1. I'm not sure if you're intentionally misrepresenting probability or you just don't understand.
Don't you think you might be wrong?
Why? Because you can arbitrarily present a formula to "prove" that you're correct?
That's not how probability works, and I suspect that you already know that.
LK
I went to school with a guy named "Rich Burns", I never even thought about calling him Dick. Well not until now.
LK
I'm a little fuzzy on this. If I commit copyright infringment on the high seas, with a comission from a sovern nation, am I cool or what?
No.
You're not cool.
At all.
Nor are you likely to ever be.
Sorry man, I didn't mean it, but you made it too easy.
LK
Imagine having your own 20-machine cluster?
With 512 Processors, I'd be happy with just 1.
THAT would be a Beowulf cluster. (not really, but it's a joke)
LK
I used to have to deal with these scams at a previous job, and I talked to the SEC regularly.
And I'm sure that the SEC took every one of them seriously. But as long as there is no misrepresentation, there isn't anything that the SEC can do.
LK
Sending millions of emails with the intent to make tons of people buy a stock to drive it's price up is illegal.
Only if there is a misrepresentation or fraudulent intent involved.
If the email consisted of "I bought this stock with my own money because I'm convinced that it will go up. I think that you should purchase it too."
Where is the SEC violation?
LK
This one is under BOTH YRO and Politics.
Go figure...
LK
It's perfectly valid to evaluate an attack on minority voting demographic as a partisan maneuver, even if it involves what look like stereotypes when applied at an individual level.
Why is it that those on the "progressive" side are assuming that criminals who happen to be black were going to vote Democrat?
Interesting too, from a statistical viewpoint, is how 22,000 Democratic-leaning blacks but only 61 Republican-leaning Hispanics were among the 48,000 people on the 2000 felons list.
So what you're saying, by not actually saying it, is that about 26,000 of those people were white.
More than half of the people on the list that you refer to are not black.
Assuming that the numbers are accurate and that someone hasn't "cooked the books" so to speak. It still proves nothing. Let us not forget the numbers of hispanics who are counted as white.
Before you try to say that it doesn't happen...Have you ever seen the movie Blow? The very ethnic Diego Delgado is catagorized as "White" by the government.
So let's summarize your points. Less than half of those the Republicans tried to remove from the rolls are black. A government that routinely classifies latinos as "white" only lists a handfull of "hispanics" on the list of those that the Republicans tried to remove from the rolls.
Anything else?
Quit pretending to be stupid. Everyone can see what is going on here.
Yes we can. You're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill so you can have an excuse if your guy loses.
LK
What's stupid is when people argue against price controls because Pharmaceutical companies "won't make a profit" if such controls are imposed in the US.
If they still sell those drugs in Canada, they are obviously making a profit on them. What we have now is the US consumer sponsored subsidy of cheap Canadian drugs.
If they can afford to sell them cheaply in Canada, they could afford to sell them just a cheaply in the US.
But, I think that it's a bad idea to start imposing price controls in the free market of the US. Just let's not pretend that we'll make billion dollar pharmaceutical companies go bankrupt.
LK
Especially in an election where bush has all but given up the black vote (he didn't even meet with the NAACP
In case no one ever told you, the NAACP does not speak for all black people.
First Black Secretary of State, appointed by Bush. Second Black Supreme Court Justice, appointed by elder Bush. First Black National Security Advisor, appointed by Bush.
Why should he waste his time by trying to win over people who have already set their opinions in stone?
In Pittsburgh on an "urban" radio station, I heard a Bush commercial where they slam Kerry for opposing school choice(voichers). After all, rich people can already send their children to private schools. It's the middle class and the poor that need vouchers.
LK
Actually it's around 1800 and the intent is to intimidate minority voters.
In short. I call bullshit.
Florida has a large number of minority voters who are Republicans. Miami Cubans alone are a huge block of Republican voters. Jeb Bush is married to a Latina.
If you're trying to argue that people who are voting illegally are more likely to vote Democrat. I won't argue, I don't know for sure, but minority does not equal Democrat. Especially in Florida.
LK
Just Four Hours Forty Five minutes since this was first posted.
I understand a Dupe from 5 months ago, but come on now.
LK
There already is such an EULA on most "high-end" pets. And on the low-end ones, too -- if you adopt from a shelter, every shelter I've ever been to REQUIRES spay/neuter on adopted pets. Many breeders these days require the same, unless you pay extra for reproduction rights.
I'm waiting for vets to start unspaying and unneutering pets because of just that sort of thing.
LK
I get a similar feeling when people realize they were just owned by my wife at CS. :)
I used to like it when my friend's 4 year old son would 0wn n00bs at CS.
LK
My Distributed.net stats could use the boost.
LK