Always carry chambered! If you're trying to beat the bad guy to the draw, the extra half a second it takes to rack the slide WILL cost you your life.
Remember that situational awareness you spoke of? If I think I'll need it, I'll chanber a round. I have only felt the need to chamber a round once, I was out on a hike and I heard a big dog barking nearby. Fortunately it found something else to hold its interest and never came near me.
Seriously you guys should take a step back and see how things work anyway else in the world (not counting war zones and third world countries)
That's the point. No one ever expects things to take a downturn. Let's take a step back and see how things have workd elswhere in the world.
In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
The crime rate here in the US, which so many people claim to be astronomical, doesn't even come close to the death toll in places where private gun ownership has been prohibited.
I believe in democracy, if people where YOU live want to do so without guns, that's your right. I will not give up mine. End of discussion.
By your comments it seems as if you take your pistol everywhere.
Not to work, not into a bar and never when leaving the state. At any other time I just might be. The point is that criminals never know who is carrying and when.
I don't see the necessity in that.
You don't have to. Rights needn't be "necessary" in your eyes.
Do you keep a loaded gun under your pillow as well?
Break into my house if you want to find out.
I don't think I'd want to live in a place where every unbalanced redneck-tinfoilhat-wearing imbecile is carrying a weapon.
It's not possible for me to be a redneck. And mentally unbalanced people are already prohibited from owning firearms.
There's nothing wrong with owning them, but if everyone was carrying it would be a scary place.
The statistics don't support your assertion. In places where it is legal for law abiding Americans to carry guns, the crime rate is universally LOWER than in places with similar demographics that prohibit concealed carry.
heck into what the vast majority of police organizations think of concealed weapons.
Nice try. You have no chance of winning this argument. What do police think? Loor for yourself.
The LEAA
and the FOP both support concealed carry of firearms for law abiding citizens.
are they "pinko pussy communist(s)"? too?
Anyone who opposes law abiding citizens possessing the means to defend themselves agains violent criminals is.
Oh, and if I thought you didn't have 5 guns crammed down your crotch (to simulate a normal-sized penis)
Ok, you're right I don't have an average sized penis, with the statistic that 6" is average, I have an above average sized penis.
What's going on there? Why would there be multiple guns (loaded?!?!) at a LAN party?
We had to take an hour long car trip through a rural area to get there. I don't know about you, but I don't like having thousands of dollars worth of equipment with me and no way to protect it.
You sound like a class-A psycho gun-nut.
But you'd never have the nuts to say that to my face. You pinko pussy communist.
With a gun, you'd just end up killing/maiming someone or, more likely, getting killed/maimed yourself; even if you have a gun they don't expect,
The statistice don't support your assertion. To resist a criminal with a gun makes you LESS LIKELY to be harmed than if you offered no resistance at all.
My friends (that I mentioned earlier) still draw breath because some criminal decided not to kill them. I am not willing to bet my life that the criminal that I encounter is not a two strike felon who will kill me to keep me from identifying him.
Personally, I'd rather lose my wallet than kill someone,
Being that I never keep cash in my wallet, I could replace its contents with just a few hours of work. It's not my wallet that I'm prepared to defend, it's my life.
I guess that makes me a peace-loving hippy (I'm actually not, and I strongly uphold people's right to own guns).
To be honest, it wouldn't bother me in the least if you were a peace-loving hippy, as long as you don't try to force me to be one as well.
The main reason I have a concealed weapons permit is to eliminate (or at least greatly reduce) any chance of an illegal possession charge. Most gun crimes are felonies and that's the last thing anyone needs.
I got mine because when I was growing up a few of my friends were robbed at gunpoint. I didn't want to be in the same situation.
You walk out of your apartment with your guns visible? Handguns with the red tips removed?
You are correct, this is a stupid thing to do.
Once I was at a small LAN party my friend was having and someone came in with a Glock 17 with the big ass 30 round magazine. He walked right up behind my friend and started talking in a threatening manner. I had a 9mm pistol in the small of my back and another of my friends had a.357 magnum revolver at his side. Thinking that something bad was about to happen, I asked my friend (who was being threatened) if everything was OK. He laughed and said that this guy was a friend of his and was just joking. They both started laughing and then he showed me that the Glock was unloaded. I breathed a sigh of relief and told the guy that "Something bad almost happened to you. You DO NOT play around like that." I then showed him my pistol and told him that there was still at least one other one in the room. He looked visably shaken. He didn't think that something as simple as a joke could cost him his life, and it nearly did. Guns (and anything that looks like them) are serious business. Do not play around when it comes to firearms. Period.
brandishing a fake weapon can get you arrested or at the very least having a cop detain you at gun point.
I was once stopped outside of an autoparts store, while I was working on my car, my shirt hiked up in the back. I needed to get something from the store, so I drove there and walked in. Bought what I needed and left. On my way out of the store, I realized that my shirt was up and my Makarov was showing. As I got to my car two police cars blazed into the lot and one of the cops opened his door and hid behind it. I knew what was going on so I put my arms out to the sides and opened my hands to show that I didn't have anything in them. The officer instructed me to come over to his car and place my hands on the hood. I did as he asked. I told him "It's in the small of my back". He took my pistol out of the holster and removed the magazine. He asked me if it was loaded, I said "Not anymore". He tried to check the chamber, but the safety was on so the slide wouldn't go back. I told him that he had to take the safety off. He did and then he made sure that the chamber was clear. I said "In my right front pocket is my wallet. In my wallet is my (concealed weapons) permit." He retrieved my walled and I showed him my permit. He in the serial number of my gun to make sure that it wasn't stolen. When everything came back clear he gave me my gun back and then he went into the store to explain to the people working there what had happened and that I wasn't a criminal. I went on my way, but it was about 20 minutes of my life that was wasted because I wasn't careful enough about keeping my gun concealed.
The bombing of Pearl Harbour was an act of war, not of terrorism.
Whether a sneak attack was an act of war is debatable, but that's not what I was talking about. I was referring to Japan's activities in other parts of asia. Specifically what the Japanese did to the Chinese.
The relative merits of war over terrorism are up for debate, of course, but there is a clear demarkation between the two.
"Terrorism" is typically the only course of action for people who want to engage an enemy who is numerically and technologically superior.
If thats the case the 3.5 million of the Vietnamese or the Laos people which you bombed/Raped/tortured/infected with Bio weapons deserve justice from your horror.
There were people in the streets protesting against it, AT THE TIME. One of them has a really good chance to become the next President of the US.
I'm from Pittsburgh. Let me tell you, everyone in the area was prepared for the possibility of an Axis air raid because that is where a LOT of the wartime steel production took place.
Apologies don't bring anybody back from the dead, but at least it brings home the point that the action was wrong. It is pretty sad that neither the US or Japan want to admit that they did something wrong a lifetime ago.
That would be because that it wasn't wrong for us to use those bombs. Have you ever heard the term "Necessary Evil"? The closest we should come to an apology is "We're sorry that your conduct and the resolve of your people forced us to unleash our most powerful weapon on you."
Boy, atomic bomb is not necessary an essential part of surrender.
The fact that for 20-30 years after the end of the war, there were marooned Japanese soldiers on islands who were STILL WILLING to fight shows the resolve of the Japanese people. Had those bombs not been dropped, countless lives (civilian and military) would have been lost if an invasion of Japan had been necessary.
It's whole new level of sin, to human and to ecology, and not comparable to the Rape of Nanking, which is still in the category of traditional vandalism.
Upwards of 30 million Chinese murdered was VANDALISM???? What planet do you come from?
Those two cities were industrial centers for the Japanese war effort. Those civillians were providing the soldiers with the means carry out their campaign of terror.
The Japanese love to cry about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but when the Rape of Nanking comes up, they adopt a "who us?" attitude. War is hell. Awful things happen to good people during times of war. Japan does not deserve an apology.
Had we not used those two nuclear weapons, Japanese resolve wouldn't have been broken for years and many more Japanese and Americans would have died as a result.
I can't remember who said that Gaia (the planet Earth considered a complex living entity) has a form of AIDS disease that's running amok and depleting its resources from within, and it's called Humanity.
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Always carry chambered! If you're trying to beat the bad guy to the draw, the extra half a second it takes to rack the slide WILL cost you your life.
Remember that situational awareness you spoke of? If I think I'll need it, I'll chanber a round. I have only felt the need to chamber a round once, I was out on a hike and I heard a big dog barking nearby. Fortunately it found something else to hold its interest and never came near me.
LK
Seriously you guys should take a step back and see how things work anyway else in the world (not counting war zones and third world countries)
That's the point. No one ever expects things to take a downturn. Let's take a step back and see how things have workd elswhere in the world.
In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
The crime rate here in the US, which so many people claim to be astronomical, doesn't even come close to the death toll in places where private gun ownership has been prohibited.
I believe in democracy, if people where YOU live want to do so without guns, that's your right. I will not give up mine. End of discussion.
LK
Wait... so you need a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
In my state, yes.
but you can be arrested for carrying a weapon in the open?
In my state, arrested? Yes. Convicted? No. Police can do things like detaining or arresting you just to aggrevate you into not doing something.
LK
Although the "1,2,3 Profit!" jokes are still good.
No, they're not.
I love the underpants gnomes.
I guess that explains it.
LK
Well, that's two questions.
Why did you bring a 9mm to a LAN party?
Because I can, it's legal if you have a permit. Because you never know when someone may brandish a weapon in an attempt to rob you.
Do you play with somebody that cheats?
At first I was tempted to say "Just your wife.", but I decided against it.
LK
By your comments it seems as if you take your pistol everywhere.
Not to work, not into a bar and never when leaving the state. At any other time I just might be. The point is that criminals never know who is carrying and when.
I don't see the necessity in that.
You don't have to. Rights needn't be "necessary" in your eyes.
Do you keep a loaded gun under your pillow as well?
Break into my house if you want to find out.
I don't think I'd want to live in a place where every unbalanced redneck-tinfoilhat-wearing imbecile is carrying a weapon.
It's not possible for me to be a redneck. And mentally unbalanced people are already prohibited from owning firearms.
There's nothing wrong with owning them, but if everyone was carrying it would be a scary place.
The statistics don't support your assertion. In places where it is legal for law abiding Americans to carry guns, the crime rate is universally LOWER than in places with similar demographics that prohibit concealed carry.
heck into what the vast majority of police organizations think of concealed weapons.
Nice try. You have no chance of winning this argument. What do police think? Loor for yourself.
The LEAA
and the FOP both support concealed carry of firearms for law abiding citizens.
are they "pinko pussy communist(s)"? too?
Anyone who opposes law abiding citizens possessing the means to defend themselves agains violent criminals is.
Oh, and if I thought you didn't have 5 guns crammed down your crotch (to simulate a normal-sized penis)
Ok, you're right I don't have an average sized penis, with the statistic that 6" is average, I have an above average sized penis.
LK
What's going on there? Why would there be multiple guns (loaded?!?!) at a LAN party?
We had to take an hour long car trip through a rural area to get there. I don't know about you, but I don't like having thousands of dollars worth of equipment with me and no way to protect it.
You sound like a class-A psycho gun-nut.
But you'd never have the nuts to say that to my face. You pinko pussy communist.
LK
With a gun, you'd just end up killing/maiming someone or, more likely, getting killed/maimed yourself; even if you have a gun they don't expect,
The statistice don't support your assertion. To resist a criminal with a gun makes you LESS LIKELY to be harmed than if you offered no resistance at all.
My friends (that I mentioned earlier) still draw breath because some criminal decided not to kill them. I am not willing to bet my life that the criminal that I encounter is not a two strike felon who will kill me to keep me from identifying him.
Personally, I'd rather lose my wallet than kill someone,
Being that I never keep cash in my wallet, I could replace its contents with just a few hours of work. It's not my wallet that I'm prepared to defend, it's my life.
I guess that makes me a peace-loving hippy (I'm actually not, and I strongly uphold people's right to own guns).
To be honest, it wouldn't bother me in the least if you were a peace-loving hippy, as long as you don't try to force me to be one as well.
LK
The main reason I have a concealed weapons permit is to eliminate (or at least greatly reduce) any chance of an illegal possession charge. Most gun crimes are felonies and that's the last thing anyone needs.
I got mine because when I was growing up a few of my friends were robbed at gunpoint. I didn't want to be in the same situation.
By the way, do you carry one in the chamber?
Never.
LK
I have wasted more hours of my life playing the Fallout family of games than any other non-fps type game. The C&C family comes in a close second.
I had given up all hope that Fallout 3 would ever be produced.
LK
You walk out of your apartment with your guns visible? Handguns with the red tips removed?
.357 magnum revolver at his side. Thinking that something bad was about to happen, I asked my friend (who was being threatened) if everything was OK. He laughed and said that this guy was a friend of his and was just joking. They both started laughing and then he showed me that the Glock was unloaded. I breathed a sigh of relief and told the guy that "Something bad almost happened to you. You DO NOT play around like that." I then showed him my pistol and told him that there was still at least one other one in the room. He looked visably shaken. He didn't think that something as simple as a joke could cost him his life, and it nearly did. Guns (and anything that looks like them) are serious business. Do not play around when it comes to firearms. Period.
You are correct, this is a stupid thing to do.
Once I was at a small LAN party my friend was having and someone came in with a Glock 17 with the big ass 30 round magazine. He walked right up behind my friend and started talking in a threatening manner. I had a 9mm pistol in the small of my back and another of my friends had a
brandishing a fake weapon can get you arrested or at the very least having a cop detain you at gun point.
I was once stopped outside of an autoparts store, while I was working on my car, my shirt hiked up in the back. I needed to get something from the store, so I drove there and walked in. Bought what I needed and left. On my way out of the store, I realized that my shirt was up and my Makarov was showing. As I got to my car two police cars blazed into the lot and one of the cops opened his door and hid behind it. I knew what was going on so I put my arms out to the sides and opened my hands to show that I didn't have anything in them. The officer instructed me to come over to his car and place my hands on the hood. I did as he asked. I told him "It's in the small of my back". He took my pistol out of the holster and removed the magazine. He asked me if it was loaded, I said "Not anymore". He tried to check the chamber, but the safety was on so the slide wouldn't go back. I told him that he had to take the safety off. He did and then he made sure that the chamber was clear. I said "In my right front pocket is my wallet. In my wallet is my (concealed weapons) permit." He retrieved my walled and I showed him my permit. He in the serial number of my gun to make sure that it wasn't stolen. When everything came back clear he gave me my gun back and then he went into the store to explain to the people working there what had happened and that I wasn't a criminal. I went on my way, but it was about 20 minutes of my life that was wasted because I wasn't careful enough about keeping my gun concealed.
LK
It was not unlawful, hence it couldn't have been terrorism, using your definition.
LK
The bombing of Pearl Harbour was an act of war, not of terrorism.
Whether a sneak attack was an act of war is debatable, but that's not what I was talking about. I was referring to Japan's activities in other parts of asia. Specifically what the Japanese did to the Chinese.
The relative merits of war over terrorism are up for debate, of course, but there is a clear demarkation between the two.
"Terrorism" is typically the only course of action for people who want to engage an enemy who is numerically and technologically superior.
LK
If thats the case the 3.5 million of the Vietnamese or the Laos people which you bombed/Raped/tortured/infected with Bio weapons deserve justice from your horror.
There were people in the streets protesting against it, AT THE TIME. One of them has a really good chance to become the next President of the US.
LK
I'm from Pittsburgh. Let me tell you, everyone in the area was prepared for the possibility of an Axis air raid because that is where a LOT of the wartime steel production took place.
LK
We used incendiary bombs because of how flammable the Japanese homes were. What's your point?
LK
Apologies don't bring anybody back from the dead, but at least it brings home the point that the action was wrong. It is pretty sad that neither the US or Japan want to admit that they did something wrong a lifetime ago.
That would be because that it wasn't wrong for us to use those bombs. Have you ever heard the term "Necessary Evil"? The closest we should come to an apology is "We're sorry that your conduct and the resolve of your people forced us to unleash our most powerful weapon on you."
LK
Boy, atomic bomb is not necessary an essential part of surrender.
The fact that for 20-30 years after the end of the war, there were marooned Japanese soldiers on islands who were STILL WILLING to fight shows the resolve of the Japanese people. Had those bombs not been dropped, countless lives (civilian and military) would have been lost if an invasion of Japan had been necessary.
It's whole new level of sin, to human and to ecology, and not comparable to the Rape of Nanking, which is still in the category of traditional vandalism.
Upwards of 30 million Chinese murdered was VANDALISM???? What planet do you come from?
LK
who, the civilians who were nuked did all that?
Those two cities were industrial centers for the Japanese war effort. Those civillians were providing the soldiers with the means carry out their campaign of terror.
LK
The Japanese may disagree with you on that one.
The Japanese love to cry about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but when the Rape of Nanking comes up, they adopt a "who us?" attitude. War is hell. Awful things happen to good people during times of war. Japan does not deserve an apology.
Had we not used those two nuclear weapons, Japanese resolve wouldn't have been broken for years and many more Japanese and Americans would have died as a result.
LK
Or Agent Smith.
No, Agent Smith said that humanity IS a virus.
Watch it again, and pay attention next time.
LK
I said "half million year old lake water".
I didn't realize I'd have to diagram it for people to understand, so here goes.
-(half million year old lake) water-
Clearer?
LK
I can't remember who said that Gaia (the planet Earth considered a complex living entity) has a form of AIDS disease that's running amok and depleting its resources from within, and it's called Humanity.
It was George Carlin.
LK
when can I buy a bottle of this half million year old lake water at WalMart?
LK
That is only assuming the Jobs is going to Washington. If Gates goes to him we get the gas chamber.
LK