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Netcraft: Red Hat Still Top Linux Server Distro
darthcamaro writes "Looks like Red Hat is still the #1 distro according to Netcraft stats cited by Internetnews.com. Gentoo is now the fastest growing, replaced Debian which was the fastest growing distro just six months ago...and as we all know, and as the article rightly points out, the stats aren't accurate cause most webserver admins disable version reporting...right? So if all version were known, what would be the #1 distro for hosting? Read the Netcraft stats (without the context that they're BS) here"
That things like CPanel that are commonly used were up until recently only available on RedHat.
Is that Red Hat Enterprise or Fedora?
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i wonder what the BSD numbers would be like. anyone know where to get those stats? would be nice to see if all those 'bsd is dead/dying' arguments are right or wrong.
Marge, get me your address book, 4 beers, and my conversation hat.
I wouldn't say BSD is dying. Look at Apple. Darwin is based on FreeBSD and you can't say that xserves are not selling.
that's always saying BSD is dying? As a NetBSd user, I wouldn't consider them an reliable source. ;)*
*winky provided for the sardonically challenged
I'm sure 2004 is the year of Linux on the Desktop!
Gentoo, 6-month Growth Rate, 49.5%.
Seems like we have the biggest growth rate...
C'mon geeks, show some backbone, come to Gentoo, our precious...:)
And it isn't even hard to install. When I was starting linux for the first time, without no previous experience, 1 year ago, following the manual up to the last slash*, it took me only 1 reformating and 2 days total. Nowdays, it's less than 24 hours on my P4, for the critical stuff, once KDE is up, the rest can follow safely. *Literary, the manual had a section where they didn't had an extra slash and that screwed me for half an hour:)
There's another netcraft article tying cobalt gains to opening the ROM source.
Especially interesting in the context of the fact the product was discontinued.
Tweet, tweet.
Lets see, NetCraft has successfully identified my exterior Linux Virtual Server boxes, RedHat; great. However they don't know that there are 90 systems running behind that LVS server, 20 of them are RedHat (as they were part of the origional deployment) the other 70 are Debian ... since the licensing change, we changed our corperate distro of choice.
22 systems running RedHat 7.3 (All paid for)
70 systems running Debian Woody (Company donated $6000) to the debian folks.
All in all, netcraft see's two systems. Sweet.
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As a Gentoo user, it's nice to see that they have 1% of Linux's 1%. Sort of the fringe of the fringe.
Red Hat, as we all know, dominates the US market. SuSE used to have a strong hold on Germany, and I think momentum is taking them through that to some degree. Mandrake seems to have plucked the right strings with the French Govt (major buys lately) and they will see some domestic growth there.
Asia is still wide open: Red Hat is the only real distro around, but their execution is leaving a lot to be desired. SuSE just isn't here, and Turbo, Miracle, Red Flag are such odd little operations that they cannot seem to gain any marketshare.
I would think that the place things get interesting is where the race between IBM and HP in the developing world (Indonesia, Malaysia, Middle East, India) brings a linux with them. Increasingly, IBM is bringing SuSE with them, while HP signs deals with whatever local distro is the flavour of the day (Turbo in Japan and China, Red Flag in China, ? in Korea).
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More important in this piece is that all of them are growing in absolute terms, and growing quickly. 10-15% growth every six months is nothing to sneeze at. It would be interesting to see these figures for other OS:es.
Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
You didn't get that memo?
Where have you been- Apple has been dying hard for the last 10 years or so. (Nevermind 100 million songs sold, lots of exciting new R&D and products that they can't even keep in stock because they're so popular.)
You obviously are someone who couldnt read the installation instructions, or read the forum. It's your loss. Gentoo's portage is great. It always does what I want it to.
CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL!!
"XServes are not selling"
there, i just said it, and i didn't a splode.
Community-driven Linux distribution provider Debian held on to the third spot with a 15.9 percent market share rating, up a half percentage point.
and
For Netcraft, the fastest growing distribution this time around is Gentoo Linux, which showed a rate of 49.5 percent. But that's growth toward a 1 percent market share.
THAT means Gentoo's growth is around .5 percent MARKET SHARE which is around Debian's. A draw if you ask me.
Relative percentage doesn't make sense considering all new distributions around.
Somebody doesn't realize that the "BSD is dying" stuff stopped being funny quite along time ago.
Same applies to the Soviet Russia jokes, the Beowulf cluster jokes, and the GNAA shit.
Although the "1,2,3 Profit!" jokes are still good. I love the underpants gnomes.
It's all about the optimilaziations, baby.
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
common mistake, though.
Is there anything that suggests people using Debian would likely use RH externally, more than vice versa? Or that Debian users are more likely to disable version numbering?
Unless there is, I don't see what the problem is with the figures.
To paint a picture you have to use broad brush strokes.
RedHat AS/ES or Suse for the enterprise. The logic being that Suse and RedHat invest a lot in the mid-range to high-end server market. Not only do they make sure their kernels take advantage of this hardware but they'll support them as well. RPM may have it's problems but a well trained admin should know how to avoid them.
Gentoo's growth really shouldn't suprise anyone. The ideals behind Gentoo fit well with the entry-level sys admin / "hacker" types that run servers for most small companies.
I think it's sad that Debian, which is one of the best (if not THE best) server distro, appears to be losing momentum. I'm sure that will change though. Who knows, these stats are merely an indication.
Just my two cents on the matter. Heh, there goes the karma....
Thats why u dont reinstall. I think you must be confusing it with Windows.
In Soviet Russia, a Beowulf cluster of gay *BSD niggers imagines YOU dying!
Gentoo's portage is great. It always does what I want it to.
Nothing?
So if all versions were known, what would be the #1 distro for hosting?
Probably still RedHat/Fedora. It's quick, easy to set up, well supported, has decent-to-good administration tools, and gives good Karma to both you and your boss.
We use Fedora for both our dedicated servers (to be leased/rented to clients) and for internal use. We theoretically offer FreeBSD installs as well, but no one has ever taken us up on that offer (I wonder why)...
RH's kickstart and anaconda features are godsends, the text-only and curses utilities are more than adequate when needed, and with Yum I know longer have to care about RPM dependancy hell.
Gentoo? Give me my three days back, please.
Debian? I suppose... but something smells "stagnant" to me and it's not just the water.
*BSD? Too complex for most customers, and a headache I'd rather not have to deal with on our production machines. There's very little that the BSDs can offer me (for the time invested in learning all the "oddities" (from my perspective)) that's worth it for me to move over.
Your mileage may vary, but mine stays pretty constant.
Hire a Linux system administrator, systems engineer,
Excuse me, but just when in the fuck did it become chic to pepper language with inappropriate and meaningless apostrophes? Lately, I've seen apostrophes misused in:
The infamous "it's" instead of "its" (to show possessive, as in "the animal defended its home"-- most people nowadays would write "the animal defended it's (sic) home", which means "the animal defended it is home", which makes no sense)
Plurals ("sunglass'" (sic), "pizza's" (sic), etc.)
At the end of "its" (bizarrely)-- i.e. its' (sic), which is not a word at all and probably never was
...And now, I see you using it as part of a verb. "See's"? WTF up with that? "See is"?
God, am I getting fucking sick of idiocy like this. Why the fuck do I even bother writing proper English any more, when even relatively intelligent people like you mangle the language like cheese through a grater? And if you're from a non-English-speaking nation: I apologize. Actually, you're probably American, since the WORST and MOST BIZARRE manglings of English seem to originate from America, and in fact from people born in America, who have been learning English all their lives. Go figure.
Anyhow, I'm fucking sick of this. Who the fuck started this "when in doubt, throw apostrophes at it" shit?
Honey, I shrunk the Cygwin
Windows still top desktop distro.
;)
All this proves is that the old maxim "there's no accounting for taste" is truly universal in its applicability.
Honey, I shrunk the Cygwin
recompiling after each new update of a software package (which isn't forced, of course) does take time. On the other hand, portage *is* a handy system for making sure all the dependencies of a program get downloaded at the same time, and emerge -uD world running overnight works out fine for me.
I don't pretend it saves me any time -- some programs are quicker, but the time taken compiling from source needs to be taken into account -- but it's fun setting up things just the way you want from source.
You seem to be an animal(Panda) that Eats, Shoots, and Leaves.......I'll go get my bulletproof vest....
Expect to see more momentum when Debian Sarge finally becomes stable, replacing good ol' Woody. I love Debian, but for an increasing number of servers I find myself going to testing or unstable to grab packages when the Woody ones are just too old for my uses.
Besides, the new debian-installer is actually quite nice. Still text based, but its fast and intuitive even at beta stage. Its a great improvement on boot-floppies, and the cross platform support is impressive to say the least.
Why anon? I think that's obvious, I hope...
I'm not really interested in what the current "popular" Distro is. I need to know what has a proven track record in very important areas.
Anyone else's input is also appreciated.
I think you just need a hug mate.
Friends don't let Friends use Internet Explorer.
Don't be fooled by that last column. It's pretty much meaningless to compare the ratio "july/jan" for each distro; it's the tiny "jan" value for Gentoo what makes its "6-month Growth Rate" look impressive, which it's not (looked at on a number-of-installations basis).
Basically RH lost a %, SuSE gained one, some others gained fractions of a %. Nothing terribly interesting.
Ah, bitter dregs.
Screw the most popular, ill take Slackware any day of the week. It installs what i tell it to, it compiles 99% of my software like a dream, and i dont have an rpm dependancy nightmare. If you end up taking this poll too seriously, think about how popular mcdonalds is.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Lets not worry about which Linux distro owns the market, but rather worry about what operating system owns the market, huh?
I think you missed an apostrophe's in there somewhere
Well, at least you're not bitter about it.
I must say; I think the chaps use of apostrophes was excellent .. it really added some dramatic, yet subtle, ahh, let us say, emphases on his expression. I smell, (not literally) a bit of ... what do you call it ... jelousy, perhaps???
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Red Hat is the defacto standard for Linux machines in the "workstation" class... if you've got a highend app that runs on linux.. (Maya...etc) Red Hat has the certification.... Second would still be SuSE.
||| I still can't believe Parkay's not butter.
Apparently the poster didn't RTFA:
"A distribution name is present in a little over a quarter of Linux based Apache sites."
All my Amish Porn servers use Puppy Linux you insensitive clods!!!!!!
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lol good call
Somebody doesn't realize that the "BSD is dying" stuff stopped being funny quite along time ago.
Same applies to the Soviet Russia jokes, the Beowulf cluster jokes, and the GNAA shit.
Hear that? It's time to bring back HOT GRITS and NATALIE PORTMAN!!!
... upon sarge is release. Many shops are waiting for Debian to release sarge later this summer.
"Who the fuck started this "when in doubt, throw apostrophes at it" shit?"
It dates back to the old testament, Exodus, chapter 8.
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AND the LORD spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
2 And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with apostrophes:
3 And the river shall bring forth apostrophes abundantly, which shall go up and come into thine house, and into thy bedchamber, and upon thy bed, and into the house of thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thine ovens, and into thy kneadingtroughs:
4 And the apostrophes shall come up both on thee, and upon thy people, and upon all thy servants.
5 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch forth thine hand with thy rod over the streams, over the rivers, and over the ponds, and cause apostrophes to come up upon the land of Egypt.
6 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the apostrophes came up, and covered the land of Egypt.
7 And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up apostrophes upon the land of Egypt.
8 Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron, and said, Entreat the LORD, that he may take away the apostrophes from me, and from my people; and I will let the people go, that they may do sacrifice unto the LORD.
9 And Moses said unto Pharaoh, Glory over me: when shall I entreat for thee, and for thy servants, and for thy people, to destroy the apostrophes from thee and thy houses, that they may remain in the river only?
10 And he said, To-morrow. And he said, Be it according to thy word: that thou mayest know that there is none like unto the LORD our God.
11 And the apostrophes shall depart from thee, and from thy houses, and from thy servants, and from thy people; they shall remain in the river only.
12 And Moses and Aaron went out from Pharaoh: and Moses cried unto the LORD because of the apostrophes which he had brought against Pharaoh.
13 And the LORD did according to the word of Moses; and the apostrophes died out of the houses, out of the villages, and out of the fields.
14 And they gathered them together upon heaps: and the land stank.
Linux is the kernel, and the TCP/IP stack is in the kernel. So you can't tell from a TCP/IP connection whether a host is running Redhat, Slackware or Debian.
What the survey site is probably doing is looking at information tags within the Server: field of the HTTP response headers. Redhat does advertise itself there in the vendor-supplied Apache packages, but some other distros don't. Slackware's Apache packages will return nothing more descriptive than 'Unix' in the Server string.
So not all distros will reveal themselves, and anybody can easily prevent this information from being shown period with a simple Apache configuration directive. I think that's a good idea to do on your own servers, by the way. Give attackers the least info possible at your setup.
ACLinux has a growth rate of inifinte percent. Installed server are currently at one computer, but with this growth rate ACLinux is certain to take over the Linux server market in a matter of seconds!
People keep arguing that Gentoo is for geeks, gentoo is time consuming, etc... Please, don't pretend you know it! Tell me if you know of any distribution that can install VMWare Workstation, Eclipse, Tomcat, JBoss, etc... with one (ONLY ONE) command: emerge XXX That saves me a LOT of time! Time you spend with instalation (it can be fast using stage3) is saved many times by Gentoo's excellent PORTAGE. Here in Brazil, Gentoo is becoming VERY popular. I use Gentoo on my desktop, I was a Red Hat user and must say Gentoo is MUCH better. But for a server I would use debian stable, nothing can beat it in terms of stability and maintainance. I think that what makes Gentoo an excellent desktop OS (very uptodate - gnome 2.6, etc...) makes it a dangerous OS for a server.
Gentoo had the fastest growth rate only becasue it went from .7 to 1.0 market share. .9%, compared to the next highest Debian which gained only .4%.
SuSE however gained the most market share going from 10.9 to 11.8. It gained
So it looks like SuSE picked up more RH defectors than any other distro.
Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
Redhat is all about astroturfing these days. Redhat enterprise server which costs $$$$$$ is the most common server OS?
Sorry but I don't believe it. Only the weak have been fooled!
hell yeah! i'm in on it
Many people had advised me against Gentoo on server machines due to the fact that it might be unstable. Everyone used to recommend Redhat for servers cuz it was supposed to be more stable.
I have a server running on Gentoo, and another one on Redhat. Both on machine with exactly the same config, running same stuff (LAMP). The one with Gentoo is waaaay faster than the one with Redhat.
Though neither of them crash!
RedHat lost 1% marketshare, the biggest loss among Linux distributions. At the same time, SUSE gained 1%, again, the largest gain.
Sure, RedHat could easily overlook SUSE, as it has roughly 5 times more (visible) websites out there, apparently, and the Asian market is still completely open for taking. But, at least game is not over, yet!
Sigged!
Didn't you mean to say ' ' ' ' '' ' ''' ' ?
The origin of "its'" is probably the rule about possessives ending in "s". For example, you would write "Bess' car is red". The apostrophe is the most misused punctuation mark in the english language.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
Darwin is based on FreeBSD and you can't say that xserves are not selling.
That's Mach/BSD, you insensitive clod.
KFG
I see alot of people touting there distro lately. But what matters to my boss (and therefor me) is what works, what works well, and how much overhead a system is avoiding.
Any distro out of the box should be looked upon as all-for-one generic solution. I would not be caught dead putting an out of the box distro in production. Not even after a few hours customizing it.
My point is yeah, I can install and get the latest apache running with one command on Gentoo, but will it be optimized. (No ofcourse I don't mean hardware optimized.) I am talking about for the company network. No its not. I want to install two web-servers, one light-weight, and one with a good number of mod_*s.
Though this is one example, what I am trying to say is that any good admin, that doesn't work for a small company hacks and twicks the system so much, that the system doesn't behave like all-for-one solution at all. The distro was the foundation, but even that is changed with a kernel compile and some thread tweaking.
SO what does it really matter. As someone pointed out earlier, most admin's including me turn of any type of version response, (at least on perimeter servers). Anyway I digress.
You may have wanted to say:
"God, I AM getting fucking sick of grammatical idiocy SUCH AS this POST. Why the fuck do I bother writing IN proper English any more, when even relatively intelligent people like youSELF mangle the language like cheese through a grater? And if you're ORIGINATING from a non-English-speaking nation: I SINCERELY apologize. Actually, you're probably American, since the WORST and MOST BIZARRE manglings of THE English LANGUAGE seem to originate from America, and in fact from people born in America, who have been learning THE English LANGUAGE all OF their lives. Go figure.
Anyhow, I'm fucking sick of this SHIT. Who the fuck started this INCORRECT GRAMATICAL HABIT OF "when in doubt, throw apostrophes at it" shit?
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Don't bother modding me up this is posted as AC.
You're fucking kidding me, right?
"Bess' car is red"
If you're going to teach grammar, teach it correctly! How many damned Besses are there?
For a singular possessive:
"Bess's car is red."
Or
"LordLucless's grammar is questionable."
Ugh.
You's worrys' about's it's too much, mes' think's.
I also seem to recall that if the person is ancient, the apostrophe at the end is proper, for example "Moses' staff."
"it's" equals either "it is" or "it has" the reason it doesn't equal "it's" (possesive) is that if it did you would confuse people (acutally this is probabbly not the reason, it probably has something to do with personal pronouns like "her" and "him"). But obviously it confuses people anyway.
Do a search on for "it's it is"
www4.wittenberg.edu/academics/ engl/GrammarDumb/G-its-its.html
Also there is a limerick about apostrophes somewhere. But I can't find it.
Someone makes one typo and you fly off the handle. Forgot to take your medication again, perhaps?
I don't think it's a typo. "Teh" is a common typo; "it's" is due to ignorance/stupidity.
Honey, I shrunk the Cygwin
Although the "1,2,3 Profit!" jokes are still good.
No, they're not.
I love the underpants gnomes.
I guess that explains it.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
"The world of grammar is divided into berks and wankers -- berks being those who are outrageously slipshod about language, and wankers those who are abhorrently over-precise." - Kingsley Amis, The King's English
...
That makes the original poster a berk, leaving you with
I'm sorry, but better a "wanker" than a moronic troglodyte. I'm still wondering when the English language will completely devolve into caveman-talk, e.g. "UNGA BUNGA, GROG LIKE GIRL, GROG FUCK GIRL!" Of course, things being as they are, it will probably end up (A) in all lowercase, (B) with lots of stupid AOLish abbreviations, and (C) with five metric shitloads worth of unnecessary apostrophes. (e.g. "un'bun grog lk grl', grog fucks' girl!")
Honey, I shrunk the Cygwin
Hear that? It's time to bring back HOT GRITS and NATALIE PORTMAN!!!
And don't forget to have her best friends invited, Mary Kate Olsen and Wil Wheaton!
I'm sure 2004 is the year of Linux on the Desktop!
Lisa: "A gay Republican president by 2084?"
Gay Republican: "We're realistic."
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
It's nice to know I'm not the only one who laments the slow death of anything approaching a decent standard of written English.
*sits back and sweats, praying that he hasn't left a horrendous error in his clever message*
Seriously, I like the English language. I like playing with it. I like writing. It's incredibly annoying, and demoralising, to see what passes for written English nowadays - mostly from people who supposedly have been learning it since birth...
to which Feztaa replied:
Only a problem with that: 23 million desktops is by no means 3x as popular as 7 million servers. Considering the ammount of servers and desktops out there, 7 million servers is very popular while 23 million desktop is very unpopular. For servers, we've been there for a while. For desktops, we're definitely not there yet.
Yeah, it's totally fuck'd up!
'tis strange ain't it?
Move Sig. For great justice.
[ I can not bring myself to believe that if knowledge presents danger, the solution is ignorance ] -- Isaac Asimov
question... why the hell is this modded insightful? funny that...
I am very sucseptible to "let's have another drink"
WTF up with that?
;-)
I guess you meant "WTF's up with that?"
It's the schools, grammar doesn't get taught anymore. I used to be guilty of it (maybe I still am).
./ ?
I don't think I learnt how to use it properly until my final year of a CS degree. They specifically convened the whole year to give final year project advice, a 15-minute section dedicated to apostrophe usage. It's a mistake a whole lot of people make. I still don't completely get it; things like "don't use the apostrophe if it's a possessive pronoun" don't stay in memory too long.
Grammar is a guide not a gaol. Language evolves; it's about getting your message across. Communication protocols suited to one media can be tweaked to make them more efficient when used across a different media.
A) Capitalisation of words has been devolving for long time now. There used to be a time when you had to capitialise a lot more nouns that we do nowadays.
B) Like
C) Maybe they're emulating Shakespeare
Grammar is a guide not a gaol. Language evolves. All the things you've cited as problems, are ways in which language will evolve and adapt to our changing needs. Ways in which it moved from Latin to Greek to English.
A lot of this is sociological rather than practical. People of a younger age develop their own language, different to that of their progenitors as a way to strengthen camaraderie and bonding in that group and a way to exclude the older influences. All perfectly natural and healthy evolution, not devolution.
"WE" (=the slashdot readers) are the moderators. "We" mod things insightful when they are actually funny and troll when they are actually serious. "We" should accept our responsibility and shrug. Or start a flamewar. Or get a degree in English. Or laugh at SCO. (recursive joke needed here) :-)
I do believe this may be appropriate:
http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif
Send to all your friends. Hours of fun.
flamewar sounds like a bit of fun... bastardisation of the english tongue seems like a bit of fun too... it really fucks me off when people use "youre" instead of "your", etc... then again, it really fucks some people off that i refuse to use caps most of the time... things like that shouldn't bother you too much, i guess, but they do... anyway...
I am very sucseptible to "let's have another drink"
That should be "hug, mate", or "hugmate".
:-)
your taking it too seriously! no need to loose your cool!
There are my pet hates. "your" instead of "you're", and "loose" instead of "lose".
I agree with almost every word you say, but if you think Americans write bad English, you should see what a mess the English make of it. Do American schools teach any kind of spelling or grammar any more? Ours don't seem to.
I'm not asking for everyone to write perfect English. I just don't want to be regularly depressed because people can't master their native tongue, or spell simple four letter words.
Seriously people, if you can't use the basic tools of language, why should anyone assume that your grasp of what you're talking about is any better?
And what retard modded the parent "funny"?
God, am I getting fucking sick of idiocy like this. Why the fuck do I even bother writing proper English any more, when even relatively intelligent people like you mangle the language like cheese through a grater? And if you're from a non-English-speaking nation: I apologize. Actually, you're probably American, since the WORST and MOST BIZARRE manglings of English seem to originate from America, and in fact from people born in America, who have been learning English all their lives. Go figure
Yeah, this kind of thing ticks me off as well. I am American though. I've given up on the "whom" thing. But the lack of adverbs ("Think Different"???) still gets to me. Sad really.
I think you need a hug ma'te
You've got altogether too carried away. If there is a correlation between 'correct' spelling and intelligence, intelligence certainly doesn't cause it. Calm down. Incorrect use of apostrophes hasn't caused anyone to die yet that I'm aware of. If it is a problem to you, it's only because you let it be. Try finding something else to be annoyed at, something slightly more productive.
Also, I will point out:
BTW: You don't need to use 'sic' after every example. After all, you're talking about the errors. Of course they're meant to be there!
So, in summary: (1) don't use apostrophes if you aren't sure, because the mnemonic rhymes; (2) calm down; (3) don't use sic so much; (4) there is nothing about anything except flexible conventions that means some uses of punctuation and spelling are correct and others aren't.
Look out!
- slackware?
- RedHat?
- Sorcerer?
- Lunar?
- Debian?
- Fedora?
- RHEL?
- How about bsd's?
- BSDI?
- OpenBSD?
- FreeBSD?
- DragonflyBSD?
- Unix[TM]?
- AT&T Sys5R2.5?
- AIX?
- HPUX?
- SunOs?
- Solaris?
- Digital Unix?
- Tru64 Unix?
Yes gentoo has it's points. Most of them are not things I value highly, ymmv.Linux is Linux, if One need clarify their dist: <Dist>/GNU Linux
bsds are of course just BSD
I at least have The King's English (the Oxford Language Classics reprint) right next to my HTML reference on my bookshelf.
Of course, using that ancient reference (the first edition was in 1906) makes me a troglodyte of another sort.
But: it's good, still relevent, and reading of the various classics (reference and general) plus a lot of practice at writing will sharpen you up to the point where you won't drive poor JessLeah crazy.
If the syntax didn't ruin the semantics, then communication has been achieved. Isn't communication about what all English writing is?
You mean like 'apologize'?
Oh please. We all know that Slashdot comments are dashed off in less time than it takes to drink a glass of hemlock. Why would you get upset with someone for a typo for gods' sake?
I think that honor goes to the Engrish Speakers in Japan!
But that is not a bad thing in many cases.
If you need cuting edge features you have to thinker too much to get them.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
you need to go to the apostrophe protection society
Or is all whishful thinking perhaps?
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Actually, apologize and apologise are both perfectly exceptable in the English Language, and in actual fact, the "z" was the "original" spelling and not an American "mangling" ;)
Check the OED if you don't believe me.
... the same thing.
2*3*3*3*3*11*251
Can someone summarise what the parent said? Couldn't be bothered to read it.
And so at last the "beast" fell and the unbelievers rejoiced. But all was not lost, for from the "ash" rose a great "bird". The bird gazed down upon the unbelievers and cast "fire" and "thunder" upon them. For the beast had been "reborn" with its "strength" renewed, and the followers of "Mammon" cowered in horror.
from The Book of Mozilla, 7:15
24 hours to install on a shiny new Pentium 4 is NOT progress.
;)
Neither is running 386 binaries on a Pentium 4.
26% of Linux Active Servers have a known distribution according to Netcraft (2003)
Does this mean that Red Hat, Cobalt, Debian, Suse, Mandrake and Gentoo make up only 26% of all active Linux servers and that other distros take up 74%? Or does it mean that there may be more of these servers that just don't mention what they are to the world? Either way it doesn't much matter. As many slackware users have mentionned it doesn't matter what is most popular. What matters is that the Linux market grows and grows and grows.
"when in doubt, throw apostrophes at it's" shit.
What Novell has coming with Suse. I have experience with Netware(4,5,6) and find it easy to use, reliable and secure. With Suse added to the mix it could become a real high end competitor to Red Hat Enterprise. Think about Cisco hardware with a Netware backend, all running on Suse, close to vault quality. I don't like everything that RH has done lately (dropping the desktop, bluecurve) but have to admit they are a big part of the push for corporate Linux. That is not a bad thing. I'll settle for Linux winning in the totals of all distro's.
Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
When in the fuck did it become so fucking fucked to throw fuck in every other fucking word that the fuckers use fuck so fucking much that the fucking meaning of fuck loses all fucking definition and any fucker could use any fucking word to mean almost fucking anything?
Here's a song from "My Fair Lady" which covers the same topic
Song: Why Can't the English? Lyrics
Henry Look at her, a prisoner of the gutter,
Condemned by every syllable she ever uttered.
By law she should be taken out and hung,
For the cold-blooded murder of the English tongue.
Eliza Aaoooww!
Henry imitating her Aaoooww!
Heaven's! What a noise!
This is what the British population,
Calls an elementary education.
Pickering Oh,
Counsel, I think you picked a poor example.
Henry Did I?
Hear them down in Soho square,
Dropping "h's" everywhere.
Speaking English anyway they like.
You sir, did you go to school?
Man Wadaya tike me for, a fool?
Henry No one taught him 'take' instead of 'tike!
Why can't the English teach their children how to speak?
This verbal class distinction, by now,
Should be antique. If you spoke as she does, sir,
Instead of the way you do,
Why, you might be selling flowers, too!
Hear a Yorkshireman, or worse,
Hear a Cornishman converse,
I'd rather hear a choir singing flat.
Chickens cackling in a barn Just like this one!
Eliza Garn!
Henry I ask you, sir, what sort of word is that?
It's "Aoooow" and "Garn" that keep her in her place.
Not her wretched clothes and dirty face.
Why can't the English teach their children how to speak?
This verbal class distinction by now should be antique.
If you spoke as she does, sir, Instead of the way you do,
Why, you might be selling flowers, too.
An Englishman's way of speaking absolutely classifies him,
The moment he talks he makes some other
Englishman despise him.
One common language I'm afraid we'll never get.
Oh, why can't the English learn to set
A good example to people whose
English is painful to your ears?
The Scotch and the Irish leave you close to tears.
There even are places where English completely
disappears. In America, they haven't used it for years!
Why can't the English teach their children how to speak?
Norwegians learn Norwegian; the Greeks have taught their
Greek. In France every Frenchman knows
his language fro "A" to "Zed"
The French never care what they do, actually,
as long as they pronounce in properly.
Arabians learn Arabian with the speed of summer lightning.
And Hebrews learn it backwards,
which is absolutely frightening.
But use proper English you're regarded as a freak.
Why can't the English,
Why can't the English learn to speak?
Anand Rangarajan anand@cise.ufl.edu
'Tis too bad you're so easily sent 'round the bend as its evident from your posts's scathing venom.
So is a shitload an English unit of measurement?
(aye shouldn'ta told 'yer that...)
LOOK OVER THERE! ANOTHER APOSTROPHE!!....
(Whoops, Soiled yourself again, I see.)
Does this take into account all the dual-boot desktops? Or machines behind proxies? There are large desktop implementations out there, but a lot of them sit behind a single machine. Wouldn't this survey only find that server, instead of all the desktops?
"Heaven's! (sic) What a noise!" Oh, the irony...
Honey, I shrunk the Cygwin
In the future, just give the obligatory apostrophe link.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
NOT ***** He is a great speller, NOT!
Yes, interesting indeed.
Many people love that platform, and inertia has a lot of influence on many people. Why move if what you have works? "If it works, don't fix it".
In the future though, things will be different. The CPU speed or RAM capacity of those machines will not be enough. So they will move.
Until then, they are happy though.
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I cried during the 45 minutes it took Mandrake 10 to install... what are you Gentoo guys, into SM or something? ;)
Where is that guy who'd die defending what I had to say when I need him?
No, we're just going to end up using nothing but the most versatile word in the language, and the most abused punctuation. for example: "fucking fuck' GROG fuck fucker' GROG fucked fucker'" or "dick fucks jane' jane fucks spot' fuck spot fuck'"
At least then you're using apostrophes to denote the absence of a letter, not just adding one pointlessly. We should teach all the idiots that rule, if they just replace ALL their letters with apostrophes, we won't have to read their crap anymore.
ajs is a WITCH! BURN HIM!
You are like my old next door neighbor lady. The thing that concerns her most about the crack party house across the street is that the grass has not been mowed in two weeks. The criminals coming and going, at all hours, in 6 figure SUVs, in a lower middle class neighborhood, is just too horrible for her to comprehend. So she bitches about the stupid little things. You are both ninnies.
Wow, you could write for Bad Santa 2; your parents must be proud.
No, he just needs some See's [chocolate] Candies! :-)
I'm still wondering when the English language will completely devolve into caveman-talk
You don't use IRC much, do you?
I like my women like my coffee... pale and bitter.
Don't forget to pay SCO $699, you cocksmoking teabaggers!
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_a post.html
:)
"Don't use apostrophes for possessive pronouns or for noun plurals."
A great site for this sort of thing. I was warned (sadly not too long ago) about my own problems with "its / it's". I don't know how I picked up that bad habit but I'm glad someone pointed it out nicely.
A native speaker has generally learnt most of their english skills through interacting with other people. In many cases, they are actually less likely to get the nuances of a language (grammar, spelling, etc.) right than someone who learnt english as a second language, simply because ESL students _study_ the language rather han obsorbing it by osmosis...
I wouldn't say BSD is dying. Look at Apple. Darwin is based on FreeBSD and you can't say that xserves are not selling.
Do you have any sales figures for the XServes? I can't find any.
I'm not normally an irrational zealous dickhead, but I figure "When in Rome..."