In most airports that I've been through, you leave the terminal to reach baggage claim. Therefore the luggage that people will have with them when exiting through a rotating door-gate would have to be "trivial in size", since it would have to fit in an overhead compartment or under the seat in front of you. Big luggage comes later, after leaving the "secure" gate area.
I was torn as to how I intended to use the 10,000 number myself.
A:) 1 mutation per 15 smokes seems bad and will act as a motivator to keep not doing it.
B:) 10,000 cells over my 20 years is a vanishingly small number in the grand scheme of things, so...What, Me Worry?
You're right, it seems pretty ambiguously stated though. My initial read on it is that for every 15 cigarettes smoked, you can count on one cell mutation. But it's much scarier if it's 1 in 15 based on how many mutated cells they find down the line.
One of the things driving me when I began the quitting process was that my back of the napkin math showed I had smoked in the area of 148,000 cigarettes. I had a hard time putting that in terms of anything else. I couldn't compare it to any other non-reflexive thing. I haven't signed my name 148,000 times, or tied my shoes. What have I done 20+ times per day for 20 years?
Now I learn that that means I have 10,000 cell mutations on top of that. Neato. Of course, 10,000 cells is kind of a drop in the bucket compared to the inner surface of my airway.
To smokers: Please note his does not mean that I'm not still hopefully addicted to nicotine. Now it just comes in the form of Cherry Commit Lozenges. They work pretty OK. I've had maybe 1 cigarette per month for the last 5 months.
On the other hand, I miss that I no longer look cool.
Man I just really hope this gets worked out without the answer being "Remove the app from all deployed Pres", because that would really suck. I like that app, for the few times I've needed to use it.
On the phone is a PDF called "Open Source Information.pdf". In this document they list the projects they used for the phone:
libgpg-error (only certain files are licensed under GPL), linux-hotplug, libsamplerate0, fuse, freefont, vpnc, sysfsutils, iptables, dosfstools, alsa-plugins,
busybox, ipkg, netbase, oprofile, pmeloop, alsa-utils, PPP (only certain files are licensed under GPL), readline, setserial, upstart-initscripts, e2fsprogs (only
certain files are licensed under GPL), module-init-tools-cross, module-init-tool, base-passwd, iproute2, usbmon, mupdf, libpurple, makedevs, update-
modules, netcat, gdbm, cifs, rsync, update-rc.d, upstart, wireless-tools, udev, bootchart, fbset, dnsmasq, binutils, libgcrypt (only certain files are licensed
under GPL), libfuse, Sysvinit, Linux Kernel, pulseaudio, procps, psmisc, mtools, UN Batang Korean True Type Font, faad2, e2fsprogs-libs (portions are
licensed under GPL, other portions are licensed under LGPL), sysstat, screen
I don't know why there's a suit unless someone requested the code and was denied, but Palm clearly advertise the fact that they use the app. The document is 37 pages long, but it's not hard to find references to the software they use.
That Verisign acquired Thawte 10 years ago in a deal that made Mark Shuttleworth a brazillionaire capable of sustaining a swell OSS project. Are they then just shuffling people from a free product to a for-pay model, or is there a significant advantage to the Verisign product? It seems they are replacing a whole community of users and trust with email certs that offer none of that extended web of trust.
I don't think he'd have a problem with the store, if it would allow him to distribute Free Software without many of the silly requirements. As it stands, the SDK agreement tries to prevent you from releasing your source code, which is a dealbreaker for him. Also, the PayPal requirement is silly for people who never want to make any money off of their software, so if you're going to permit free applications, make PayPal optional.
My point about "...HAVE an app store, but let people distribute their own way too.." wasn't clear. Mainly I meant "If you're going to have an app store with BROKEN arcane policies that no one should sign, then don't saddle your developers with wacky policies just because they want to distribute GPL software.
The app store has looked different every time I've logged in over the last 2 weeks, with apps showing up, disappearing, categories starting to appear in a real way, etc. It's in a huge state of flux on the UI side, which means they still have time to fix all this before it comes off Beta and they "launch launch it".
Dali Clock is pretty damn rad, and it pre-dates the Pre by about 25 years (18 years with JWZ's implementation), so I think it has a right to be curmudgeonly about who it chooses to sleep with.
You're ignoring the point. This is something that used to work that doesn't now. I used to be able to put an app on my site, with full sources, and people could download it. I didn't have to have a PayPal account, I didn't have to sign my life away to Palm, and I didn't have to wait for Palm to "approve" my app. Plus, when you get the SDK, you agree to a clause that states you CANNOT give away your software either in binary or as source, through any Non Palm App-Store channel. If Palm wanted to be jerks, they could enjoin all the people distributing homebrew apps.
So now someone wanting to give away software for free must open a checking account so they can have a verified Paypal account, pay Palm to become a developer, set their version number to sub-1.0 (even on software that is 25 years old), agree never to distribute source to anyone (making it Non Free).
Fuck that shit, it's easier just to go develop for Android.
Instead of understanding that there are regular, non-power users outside of/., who don't want to have to know about 3rd party installers and how to root their phone, you call me a retard and JWZ an asshole in no uncertain terms. All because he wants to make software and give it away for free, you're right, he's such a dick. Thanks for pointing that out.
Nope. You need to have a 3rd party installer to do that, thanks for playing though.
If you could simply post a.IPK and have people directly run it, he wouldn't have posted his rant. In fact, he says so, RIGHT HERE. I've been following that thread with great interest since yesterday afternoon, and have been reading similar items for the last few weeks.
Everyone is saying "wait for Palm to iron out the app store" and "he should be able to make PayPal work for him", you're missing the goddamn point. The point is that on PalmOS, you could write Free Software, post a.PRC on your website, people could download that with their phones, and it was installed a couple of clicks later.
Palm have decided that users shouldn't have that ability anymore, and have to either get approved apps through their app portal, or else install a bunch of 3rd party app installers and/or root their Pre and install the SDK on their computers to install apps. That is WAY too much work.
What he, and I, really want is for a developer to be able to make an app, post it on their site, and have users download it. Why does it need to have an "App Store" that Palm needs to "figure out"? Just let me install things on my damn phone. Yes, HAVE an app store, but also allow people to install directly!
Depends on your definition of Value. OSS people saw Surface, and said "but wait, we can do that too, watch this...", and so a group of developers set off in that direction.
A group of developers will see this (IMHO incrementally cool) product mockup and say "exactly, we should try and bring Linux to this". This specific device doesn't seem to be so much a radically different device as much as it is bringing together a bunch of pieces that currently exist and integrating them into one small tablet.
Other people can and should do this. If the only thing to come of it is inspiration to get people moving on a project, and that is value enough.
According the datasheet on their site, helpfully not linked in either the summary or article, it ships with RHEL5, SLES 10 or 11, or Windows Server 2008 or HPC Server 2008.
My brother-in-law works at Bonhams and Butterfields, and was involved in building out the display, as he works in the department that deals with fossils and minerals. So you'd think I'd have seen some really awesome "In-Progress" photos. You'd be wrong. I guess I have to fly to Vega$ and get a look first-hand.
I believe it would also need rounded or sharpened edges, to prevent the possibility of the flipped two-sided-die from landing on the edge every 1,000,000,000,000th roll and causing the GM to stroke out on the spot trying to make up a rule for that.
I remembered it the same way, it was way complicated and so to someone who didn't bother to put the effort into learning it, gameplay was absent. Star Raiders had a pretty steep learning curve, and if you wanted to just sit down and blast, you would be completely lost.
To a casual drive-by gamer, they wouldn't have been able to sit and just get started, therefore to them gameplay was absent.
That game was pretty frustrating to a 12 year old who just wanted to blast things on my 800, and didn't have time for strateger-izing. In fact, as I grew up, I always favored games like GTA and Counterstrike over strategy games that sucked too much time away or required me to RTFM (WoW, which I've never ever played).
I can see that Star Raiders was groundbreaking without having enjoyed it, that doesn't really make anyone a troll.
I bet they've done the math. Here's the thing, they could easily be using array level redundancy, and writing everything to at least two of these. If they lose one, they have data somewhere else which seamlessly integrates. The concept isn't that different from GoogleFS, have a distributed filesystem that manages the data over several arrays, if you lose an array, take it offline and fix it, then put it back in.
I also don't see anything saying "this whole thing should be one big RAID0 volume" either. This is a hardware spec, whatever you want to use for distributed filesystems or RAID configuration is left up to you.
I still don't get why people don't think this company might just be smart enough to know what they're doing. What leads you to believe that if you use them for backup, your data is backed up to one single RAID0 volume in one of these boxes, and if that array goes away, so does your backup? They seem like a pretty smart bunch of guys, why can't they deploy a distributed FS?
It's Roman for "Thousand Thousand". I used to work with lots of Europeans and finance people, and I must have gotten into the habit. Evidently when you start talking to French people (or Europeans in general?) there starts being confusion between million and billion and other terms for larger numbers.
The thing is, people are trained to be open to open source/software/. No one thinks twice until it's a hardware solution.
I'm starting to think that it's all about being able to blame someone else. If your storage dies, blame EMC or Netapp or whoever. If you drop off the Internet, well must be damn Cisco, I'll get 'em on the phone.
But with the OSS routers and homebrew storage and clustering solutions, since there's no one to call, you actually have to be prepared for hardware failure, and able to fix it. Maybe?
Or, people think "well, I could have done that" and discount it as trivial or fragile or "Not Enterprise"? Kind of a weird NIH syndrome.
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In most airports that I've been through, you leave the terminal to reach baggage claim. Therefore the luggage that people will have with them when exiting through a rotating door-gate would have to be "trivial in size", since it would have to fit in an overhead compartment or under the seat in front of you. Big luggage comes later, after leaving the "secure" gate area.
Damn no moderating in threads you post in...
I was torn as to how I intended to use the 10,000 number myself.
A:) 1 mutation per 15 smokes seems bad and will act as a motivator to keep not doing it.
B:) 10,000 cells over my 20 years is a vanishingly small number in the grand scheme of things, so...What, Me Worry?
You're right, it seems pretty ambiguously stated though. My initial read on it is that for every 15 cigarettes smoked, you can count on one cell mutation. But it's much scarier if it's 1 in 15 based on how many mutated cells they find down the line.
One of the things driving me when I began the quitting process was that my back of the napkin math showed I had smoked in the area of 148,000 cigarettes. I had a hard time putting that in terms of anything else. I couldn't compare it to any other non-reflexive thing. I haven't signed my name 148,000 times, or tied my shoes. What have I done 20+ times per day for 20 years?
Now I learn that that means I have 10,000 cell mutations on top of that. Neato. Of course, 10,000 cells is kind of a drop in the bucket compared to the inner surface of my airway.
To smokers: Please note his does not mean that I'm not still hopefully addicted to nicotine. Now it just comes in the form of Cherry Commit Lozenges. They work pretty OK. I've had maybe 1 cigarette per month for the last 5 months.
On the other hand, I miss that I no longer look cool.
Man I just really hope this gets worked out without the answer being "Remove the app from all deployed Pres", because that would really suck. I like that app, for the few times I've needed to use it.
On the phone is a PDF called "Open Source Information.pdf". In this document they list the projects they used for the phone:
libgpg-error (only certain files are licensed under GPL), linux-hotplug, libsamplerate0, fuse, freefont, vpnc, sysfsutils, iptables, dosfstools, alsa-plugins, busybox, ipkg, netbase, oprofile, pmeloop, alsa-utils, PPP (only certain files are licensed under GPL), readline, setserial, upstart-initscripts, e2fsprogs (only certain files are licensed under GPL), module-init-tools-cross, module-init-tool, base-passwd, iproute2, usbmon, mupdf, libpurple, makedevs, update- modules, netcat, gdbm, cifs, rsync, update-rc.d, upstart, wireless-tools, udev, bootchart, fbset, dnsmasq, binutils, libgcrypt (only certain files are licensed under GPL), libfuse, Sysvinit, Linux Kernel, pulseaudio, procps, psmisc, mtools, UN Batang Korean True Type Font, faad2, e2fsprogs-libs (portions are licensed under GPL, other portions are licensed under LGPL), sysstat, screen
I don't know why there's a suit unless someone requested the code and was denied, but Palm clearly advertise the fact that they use the app. The document is 37 pages long, but it's not hard to find references to the software they use.
(Canadian Bacon reference).
Ask a group of "Average Americans" the question "What is the capital of Canada" and probably 30% of them at least will say "Toronto".
The Ottawa Skeptics, based in the Nation's capital
/Go Boomer!
If they're based in Toronto, why are they called the Ottawa Skeptics?
That Verisign acquired Thawte 10 years ago in a deal that made Mark Shuttleworth a brazillionaire capable of sustaining a swell OSS project. Are they then just shuffling people from a free product to a for-pay model, or is there a significant advantage to the Verisign product? It seems they are replacing a whole community of users and trust with email certs that offer none of that extended web of trust.
I don't think he'd have a problem with the store, if it would allow him to distribute Free Software without many of the silly requirements. As it stands, the SDK agreement tries to prevent you from releasing your source code, which is a dealbreaker for him. Also, the PayPal requirement is silly for people who never want to make any money off of their software, so if you're going to permit free applications, make PayPal optional.
My point about "...HAVE an app store, but let people distribute their own way too.." wasn't clear. Mainly I meant "If you're going to have an app store with BROKEN arcane policies that no one should sign, then don't saddle your developers with wacky policies just because they want to distribute GPL software.
The app store has looked different every time I've logged in over the last 2 weeks, with apps showing up, disappearing, categories starting to appear in a real way, etc. It's in a huge state of flux on the UI side, which means they still have time to fix all this before it comes off Beta and they "launch launch it".
Dali Clock is pretty damn rad, and it pre-dates the Pre by about 25 years (18 years with JWZ's implementation), so I think it has a right to be curmudgeonly about who it chooses to sleep with.
You're ignoring the point. This is something that used to work that doesn't now. I used to be able to put an app on my site, with full sources, and people could download it. I didn't have to have a PayPal account, I didn't have to sign my life away to Palm, and I didn't have to wait for Palm to "approve" my app. Plus, when you get the SDK, you agree to a clause that states you CANNOT give away your software either in binary or as source, through any Non Palm App-Store channel. If Palm wanted to be jerks, they could enjoin all the people distributing homebrew apps.
/., who don't want to have to know about 3rd party installers and how to root their phone, you call me a retard and JWZ an asshole in no uncertain terms. All because he wants to make software and give it away for free, you're right, he's such a dick. Thanks for pointing that out.
So now someone wanting to give away software for free must open a checking account so they can have a verified Paypal account, pay Palm to become a developer, set their version number to sub-1.0 (even on software that is 25 years old), agree never to distribute source to anyone (making it Non Free).
Fuck that shit, it's easier just to go develop for Android.
Instead of understanding that there are regular, non-power users outside of
Here's another specific cite of The Issue.
Nope. You need to have a 3rd party installer to do that, thanks for playing though.
.IPK and have people directly run it, he wouldn't have posted his rant. In fact, he says so, RIGHT HERE. I've been following that thread with great interest since yesterday afternoon, and have been reading similar items for the last few weeks.
If you could simply post a
Why yes, I do have a Pre, why do you ask?
Everyone is saying "wait for Palm to iron out the app store" and "he should be able to make PayPal work for him", you're missing the goddamn point. The point is that on PalmOS, you could write Free Software, post a .PRC on your website, people could download that with their phones, and it was installed a couple of clicks later.
Palm have decided that users shouldn't have that ability anymore, and have to either get approved apps through their app portal, or else install a bunch of 3rd party app installers and/or root their Pre and install the SDK on their computers to install apps. That is WAY too much work.
What he, and I, really want is for a developer to be able to make an app, post it on their site, and have users download it. Why does it need to have an "App Store" that Palm needs to "figure out"? Just let me install things on my damn phone. Yes, HAVE an app store, but also allow people to install directly!
Depends on your definition of Value. OSS people saw Surface, and said "but wait, we can do that too, watch this...", and so a group of developers set off in that direction.
A group of developers will see this (IMHO incrementally cool) product mockup and say "exactly, we should try and bring Linux to this". This specific device doesn't seem to be so much a radically different device as much as it is bringing together a bunch of pieces that currently exist and integrating them into one small tablet.
Other people can and should do this. If the only thing to come of it is inspiration to get people moving on a project, and that is value enough.
According the datasheet on their site, helpfully not linked in either the summary or article, it ships with RHEL5, SLES 10 or 11, or Windows Server 2008 or HPC Server 2008.
My brother-in-law works at Bonhams and Butterfields, and was involved in building out the display, as he works in the department that deals with fossils and minerals. So you'd think I'd have seen some really awesome "In-Progress" photos. You'd be wrong. I guess I have to fly to Vega$ and get a look first-hand.
Don't be disappointed, submit the link! That said, I've never contributed a damn thing to this site, so so much for that advice.
I believe it would also need rounded or sharpened edges, to prevent the possibility of the flipped two-sided-die from landing on the edge every 1,000,000,000,000th roll and causing the GM to stroke out on the spot trying to make up a rule for that.
"1d2", you mean, like a coin?
I remembered it the same way, it was way complicated and so to someone who didn't bother to put the effort into learning it, gameplay was absent. Star Raiders had a pretty steep learning curve, and if you wanted to just sit down and blast, you would be completely lost.
To a casual drive-by gamer, they wouldn't have been able to sit and just get started, therefore to them gameplay was absent.
That game was pretty frustrating to a 12 year old who just wanted to blast things on my 800, and didn't have time for strateger-izing. In fact, as I grew up, I always favored games like GTA and Counterstrike over strategy games that sucked too much time away or required me to RTFM (WoW, which I've never ever played).
I can see that Star Raiders was groundbreaking without having enjoyed it, that doesn't really make anyone a troll.
I bet they've done the math. Here's the thing, they could easily be using array level redundancy, and writing everything to at least two of these. If they lose one, they have data somewhere else which seamlessly integrates. The concept isn't that different from GoogleFS, have a distributed filesystem that manages the data over several arrays, if you lose an array, take it offline and fix it, then put it back in.
I also don't see anything saying "this whole thing should be one big RAID0 volume" either. This is a hardware spec, whatever you want to use for distributed filesystems or RAID configuration is left up to you.
I still don't get why people don't think this company might just be smart enough to know what they're doing. What leads you to believe that if you use them for backup, your data is backed up to one single RAID0 volume in one of these boxes, and if that array goes away, so does your backup? They seem like a pretty smart bunch of guys, why can't they deploy a distributed FS?
It's Roman for "Thousand Thousand". I used to work with lots of Europeans and finance people, and I must have gotten into the habit. Evidently when you start talking to French people (or Europeans in general?) there starts being confusion between million and billion and other terms for larger numbers.
The thing is, people are trained to be open to open source /software/. No one thinks twice until it's a hardware solution.
I'm starting to think that it's all about being able to blame someone else. If your storage dies, blame EMC or Netapp or whoever. If you drop off the Internet, well must be damn Cisco, I'll get 'em on the phone.
But with the OSS routers and homebrew storage and clustering solutions, since there's no one to call, you actually have to be prepared for hardware failure, and able to fix it. Maybe?
Or, people think "well, I could have done that" and discount it as trivial or fragile or "Not Enterprise"? Kind of a weird NIH syndrome.