This is an interesting concept. It does seem kind of backwards but it just might work. I really don't see it getting accepted everywhere.
If this (or an equivalent) system could get implemented into some of the big mail servers (including MS Exchange) and a few of the big backbone providers actually implemented it, it might work, but I just don't see that happening.
Having laws against spam is not bad, they just need to be well thought out and implemented carefully. And they definately need clear and precise definitions.
I know there are a lot of you that think spam is no big deal, but for those of us that are dealing with a lot of domains and a lot of email addresses, it is getting unbearable. Yes, I can filter 99% of it, but geez, it is REALLY becoming a waste of my bandwidth even if I throw out my time wasted. Bandwidth = Money.
Missouri's new anti-spam legislation should go into effect with the next couple of weeks but it's not going to be effective without more states getting involved.
For those of you that care, write or email your local representatives and ask what anti-spam measures are in place and what can be done to get more if yours aren't effective. Tell them about the Washington law and it's effectiveness.
At a bare minimum, another thing I would like to see is a federal law that allowed every domain to have some email address (maybe postmaster) that it would be illegal to send spam to. This address would be strictly used for individuals needing to contact the administrator of a machine or domain. Imagine that...
Do any of you know how to trace down these 800 number companies that are sending spam off servers from overseas? Server admin's overseas either can't read my english requests or don't give a crap about spam coming from their servers. I've actually started calling the 800 numbers leaving valid contact information in hopes that they'll call me and I can rip someone's head off for two seconds. Amazingly enough, I haven't even gotten any responses!!!
I think I even got a fraudulent spam the other day. This "company" was claiming to be a non-profit child abuse organization. I'm almost sure they weren't and they were simply suckering money out of people. I tried to report it to both the real company and the FCC but I don't know if I got to the right people or not.
Are there any groups that are actively standing out against spam and lobbying the politicians? If so, I'm ready to join, if not, I need to start one.
Kind of offtopic, but it seems to me that if they had used Athlon's instead of Pentiums they would have had a faster product (selling point to both buyers and developers) and could have sold for less (selling point) than the PS2 making the same amount of money due to the processors being cheaper.
I've been conversing back and forth through email with Alx and his team discovered the root of the problem. The address was indeed posted into a guestbook. Not by myself, but that doesn't matter, I know how it got there.
All I can say is that I gave them two weeks to respond, sent them paypal bills per articles discussed here on slashdot, but in the end, this is my fault and I apologize for that.
Now they've contacted paypal, so I imagine my account will get frozen which is unfortunate due to the amount of money I have sitting there.
If they had only responded to any of my emails earlier this all could have been prevented.
It's unfortunate that only after getting publicity for what appeared to be a major flaw on their end were they willing to respond.
I know I'm going to lose all my Karma because this is the "cool" "tech" thing to do, but out of respect for various religions and my personal beliefs I would die before I'd let them implant anything into me.
I don't know how many of you are aware of the beliefs in the Bible about the sign of the beast, whether or not you believe them it is important that you at least respect them.
What is wrong with having a card in my pocket with all this info? It can be forged? Well, couldn't a different chip be implanted? The possibilities of corruption and abuse to this system are endless.
On a technical standpoint, until they can encrypt it with your own DNA code it's not even worth considering.
Um... This isn't new... I fought it in FF7!
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I'm pretty sure I fought and beat this creature in final fantasy 7.
Does anyone know the name of it? It wasn't even underwater!
I guess you're right. Technically you are forging headers. I myself do that, I have several domains and they all go out of one smtp server when I send from internally.
What's a better word to describe what I am talking about? Invalid headers? I guess that's more accurate.
It's not just the Government, schools are switching as well!
We just finished switching servers to (SuSE 7.3) linux (vs Novell) for Wentzville, Missouri school district. (wentzville.k12.mo.us) The workstation machines might be next!
Not because anyone hates Microsoft or Novell, just because it was going to cost them a minimum of $13,000 a year for Novell licenses and who knows how much for Microsoft licenses.
They simply can't afford it and don't want to resort to piracy as so many other schools and companies have.
On top of that their getting a lot of added functionality they didn't have previously such as in house email, dns and web hosting.
We also got them setup with NAT, DHCP, and a firewall. None of which they had previously!
They are very excited to see it up and running so quickly. We're going to train them with what they need to know and they've got other training in their future budget plan.
The government simply puts a fine on any company that forges headers. $500/email.
You receive an email with forged headers and you send it off to some complain department. They can then do a reverse lookup on the fax number or 1800 number or the owner of a website.
Federally regulated is fine with me. It will probably speed up the process.
I'm just tired of using spamcop and sending complaints to abuse@*domain*.com and not getting any results. When you try to call the big guys up they simply tell you to email them.
Smaller companies will usually take care of the problems immediately.
Going after the spam sender is usually a useless effort anyway, going after the end product that the spam is trying to sell is not.
How can I address congress and make a proposal to end put something into affect? I've been working with my Missouri State Rep. Carl Bearden for Missouri laws, but we need laws everywhere to make it stop.
It really is costing us money. My company is forced to pay for a full T1 instead of a burstable because of the massive amounts of spam that comes through overnight.
Do any of you remember the old NES game Athena.
Was there an end to that game? I could never figure it out. I even tried using the game genie but I couldn't figure out any form of an ending.
And Ikari Warriors! Wasn't that SNK? ABBA select start or something like that to continue as many times as you wanted. I'd always get a couple hours into the game and get stuck in a wall or something (multiplayer mode).
They had a lot of great games on both consoles and arcade machines. Most of them can be emulated, but it's sad to see a fun company die.
Magician lord was one of my first arcade games that I really got into.
Honestly, if the phone and cable companies hadn't been in competition with their own customers I think all of this wouldn't have happened.
Of course, even then it requires the government to regulate that the phone and cable companies can't sell both the lines and the service as that would be a monopoly.
As far as phone and power utilities plunging... Yikes... It's not an impossibility!
I understand that they haven't been making money but how do they go for so long without adjusting their plan to make money? Wouldn't they have seen a while back that they are going down the tube?
There are two ways to make a business profitable. Reduce costs or increase income.
I would have thought that a cable service could increase it's monthly charges and still made money. They would have lost some customers to DSL but a lot of customers don't have any other choice. If it takes $60/month/user to make money then that's what has to be charged.
So let's see... As far as broadband goes, we've lost Northpoint, Rhythms, Covad just filed chapter 11. AT&T and Excite(Cox?) just filed chapter 11.
Who is left?
SWBell is my local phone company and they have DSL. Surprise that all their competitors went out of business considering SWBell was providing the lines.
I think we either need to make a concious decision:
A. We don't want to let the phone company sell DSL, and we don't want the Cable company to provide cable access only provide the lines so other companies can resell.
B. We want the phone and cable companies to be the sole providers of the service and the line. We want it to be government regulated to keep us from getting screwed and to set prices.
It would be perfect if you had a full screen tv tuner card and wanted to type emails while leaving the TV screen running behind it.
I know tv tuners do some special "magic" to make the image appear on the screen. Don't they usually replace Pink or something like that?
I'm not sure if that would pose a problem or not, but a lot of times, I fire up an email and I can either make the window really tiny so I can still see the TV or I can make it bigger and constantly minimize.
I know it only cuts out one or two steps, but so does the mouse right?
Another use would be if you were using an IM with a tech and were tailing a logfile through ssh and you were conversing about the results of the logfile as they appeared.
You could resize, but I have a 17" monitor and I like to use the whole thing all at once. I can either fit everything on it, or I can set transparencies and add "depth" to my monitor.
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This is an interesting concept. It does seem kind of backwards but it just might work. I really don't see it getting accepted everywhere.
If this (or an equivalent) system could get implemented into some of the big mail servers (including MS Exchange) and a few of the big backbone providers actually implemented it, it might work, but I just don't see that happening.
Having laws against spam is not bad, they just need to be well thought out and implemented carefully. And they definately need clear and precise definitions.
I know there are a lot of you that think spam is no big deal, but for those of us that are dealing with a lot of domains and a lot of email addresses, it is getting unbearable. Yes, I can filter 99% of it, but geez, it is REALLY becoming a waste of my bandwidth even if I throw out my time wasted. Bandwidth = Money.
Missouri's new anti-spam legislation should go into effect with the next couple of weeks but it's not going to be effective without more states getting involved.
For those of you that care, write or email your local representatives and ask what anti-spam measures are in place and what can be done to get more if yours aren't effective. Tell them about the Washington law and it's effectiveness.
At a bare minimum, another thing I would like to see is a federal law that allowed every domain to have some email address (maybe postmaster) that it would be illegal to send spam to. This address would be strictly used for individuals needing to contact the administrator of a machine or domain. Imagine that...
Do any of you know how to trace down these 800 number companies that are sending spam off servers from overseas? Server admin's overseas either can't read my english requests or don't give a crap about spam coming from their servers. I've actually started calling the 800 numbers leaving valid contact information in hopes that they'll call me and I can rip someone's head off for two seconds. Amazingly enough, I haven't even gotten any responses!!!
I think I even got a fraudulent spam the other day. This "company" was claiming to be a non-profit child abuse organization. I'm almost sure they weren't and they were simply suckering money out of people. I tried to report it to both the real company and the FCC but I don't know if I got to the right people or not.
Are there any groups that are actively standing out against spam and lobbying the politicians? If so, I'm ready to join, if not, I need to start one.
Kind of offtopic, but it seems to me that if they had used Athlon's instead of Pentiums they would have had a faster product (selling point to both buyers and developers) and could have sold for less (selling point) than the PS2 making the same amount of money due to the processors being cheaper.
>>A criminal is, by definition, someone who commits a crime.
Actually, isn't a criminal someone who is tried and convicted of committing a crime?
A whole lot of people commit crimes without being caught. Technically they aren't criminals are they?
I've been conversing back and forth through email with Alx and his team discovered the root of the problem. The address was indeed posted into a guestbook. Not by myself, but that doesn't matter, I know how it got there.
All I can say is that I gave them two weeks to respond, sent them paypal bills per articles discussed here on slashdot, but in the end, this is my fault and I apologize for that.
Now they've contacted paypal, so I imagine my account will get frozen which is unfortunate due to the amount of money I have sitting there.
If they had only responded to any of my emails earlier this all could have been prevented.
It's unfortunate that only after getting publicity for what appeared to be a major flaw on their end were they willing to respond.
Again my apologies. Have a Merry Christmas.
Matt
I know I'm going to lose all my Karma because this is the "cool" "tech" thing to do, but out of respect for various religions and my personal beliefs I would die before I'd let them implant anything into me.
I don't know how many of you are aware of the beliefs in the Bible about the sign of the beast, whether or not you believe them it is important that you at least respect them.
What is wrong with having a card in my pocket with all this info? It can be forged? Well, couldn't a different chip be implanted? The possibilities of corruption and abuse to this system are endless.
On a technical standpoint, until they can encrypt it with your own DNA code it's not even worth considering.
I'm pretty sure I fought and beat this creature in final fantasy 7.
Does anyone know the name of it? It wasn't even underwater!
Or was it FF8? I can't keep them apart anymore...
www.wentzville.k12.mo.us, hosted on SuSE 7.3 running apache.
We setup their email, we also setup DHCP, NAT, and a firewall.
We're going to replace all of their existing novell junk with linux.
They will save a ton of money over the years with the new setup (vs paying novell licensing fees).
They are very happy with it as well.
Too bad companies don't start to release notices that pop-up advertising is too expensive to be worthwhile. That would make my day!
I guess you're right. Technically you are forging headers. I myself do that, I have several domains and they all go out of one smtp server when I send from internally.
What's a better word to describe what I am talking about? Invalid headers? I guess that's more accurate.
It's not just the Government, schools are switching as well!
We just finished switching servers to (SuSE 7.3) linux (vs Novell) for Wentzville, Missouri school district. (wentzville.k12.mo.us) The workstation machines might be next!
Not because anyone hates Microsoft or Novell, just because it was going to cost them a minimum of $13,000 a year for Novell licenses and who knows how much for Microsoft licenses.
They simply can't afford it and don't want to resort to piracy as so many other schools and companies have.
On top of that their getting a lot of added functionality they didn't have previously such as in house email, dns and web hosting.
We also got them setup with NAT, DHCP, and a firewall. None of which they had previously!
They are very excited to see it up and running so quickly. We're going to train them with what they need to know and they've got other training in their future budget plan.
A quick search on google revealed this great article!
Multicast Explanation
The government simply puts a fine on any company that forges headers. $500/email.
You receive an email with forged headers and you send it off to some complain department. They can then do a reverse lookup on the fax number or 1800 number or the owner of a website.
Federally regulated is fine with me. It will probably speed up the process.
I'm just tired of using spamcop and sending complaints to abuse@*domain*.com and not getting any results. When you try to call the big guys up they simply tell you to email them.
Smaller companies will usually take care of the problems immediately.
Going after the spam sender is usually a useless effort anyway, going after the end product that the spam is trying to sell is not.
How can I address congress and make a proposal to end put something into affect? I've been working with my Missouri State Rep. Carl Bearden for Missouri laws, but we need laws everywhere to make it stop.
It really is costing us money. My company is forced to pay for a full T1 instead of a burstable because of the massive amounts of spam that comes through overnight.
It just seems like if every state had laws against spam it would end.
I'm not talking about spam from valid companies, I'm talking about the spam with forged headers and invalid return email addresses.
I know that usually the less government involvement the better, but why not let the government put a stop to this for us?
I guess fiber will always be faster but it seems like wireless will be the way to go. I'm sure they'll have good speeds by then.
Of course, I wonder if sunspots will affect wireless internet?
Correct link with no space!
http://www.sciam.com/explorations/061796exploratio ns.html
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~jsw/Schroedinger.html
Maybe he figured out that he would never work in the security industry again if he didn't get out of there quick.
He was a security ADVISOR...
He could have given Microsoft all the advice in the world and if they were too lazy to implement the appropriate security measures it's not his fault.
Maybe the position at the government was his oppourtunity to get to a better place that would actually listen to him.
Two totally different games.
http://www.gameshark.com/community/articles/315642 p1.html
Gameshark reports that they died a month ago, so you may have just found out about it but they've already been dead a while.
Do any of you remember the old NES game Athena.
Was there an end to that game? I could never figure it out. I even tried using the game genie but I couldn't figure out any form of an ending.
And Ikari Warriors! Wasn't that SNK? ABBA select start or something like that to continue as many times as you wanted. I'd always get a couple hours into the game and get stuck in a wall or something (multiplayer mode).
They had a lot of great games on both consoles and arcade machines. Most of them can be emulated, but it's sad to see a fun company die.
Magician lord was one of my first arcade games that I really got into.
B seems like it would be simpler, but...
Honestly, if the phone and cable companies hadn't been in competition with their own customers I think all of this wouldn't have happened.
Of course, even then it requires the government to regulate that the phone and cable companies can't sell both the lines and the service as that would be a monopoly.
As far as phone and power utilities plunging... Yikes... It's not an impossibility!
I understand that they haven't been making money but how do they go for so long without adjusting their plan to make money? Wouldn't they have seen a while back that they are going down the tube?
There are two ways to make a business profitable. Reduce costs or increase income.
I would have thought that a cable service could increase it's monthly charges and still made money. They would have lost some customers to DSL but a lot of customers don't have any other choice. If it takes $60/month/user to make money then that's what has to be charged.
So let's see... As far as broadband goes, we've lost Northpoint, Rhythms, Covad just filed chapter 11. AT&T and Excite(Cox?) just filed chapter 11.
Who is left?
SWBell is my local phone company and they have DSL. Surprise that all their competitors went out of business considering SWBell was providing the lines.
I think we either need to make a concious decision:
A. We don't want to let the phone company sell DSL, and we don't want the Cable company to provide cable access only provide the lines so other companies can resell.
B. We want the phone and cable companies to be the sole providers of the service and the line. We want it to be government regulated to keep us from getting screwed and to set prices.
Personally, I vote for A.
What is everyone else's toughts?
It would be perfect if you had a full screen tv tuner card and wanted to type emails while leaving the TV screen running behind it.
I know tv tuners do some special "magic" to make the image appear on the screen. Don't they usually replace Pink or something like that?
I'm not sure if that would pose a problem or not, but a lot of times, I fire up an email and I can either make the window really tiny so I can still see the TV or I can make it bigger and constantly minimize.
I know it only cuts out one or two steps, but so does the mouse right?
Another use would be if you were using an IM with a tech and were tailing a logfile through ssh and you were conversing about the results of the logfile as they appeared.
You could resize, but I have a 17" monitor and I like to use the whole thing all at once. I can either fit everything on it, or I can set transparencies and add "depth" to my monitor.