My guess as to the combustion reaction is that adding steam increases the oxidation of the fuel, reducing HC and CO output. Best guess, since that effect has been observed in other reactions.
If combustion is performed almost completely in the combustion chamber rather than completing in the manifold and catalytic converter, perhaps that would explain a cooler tailpipe. Don't have any better guesses than that.
The single wire connection type alternator automatically starts producing output power when the RPM of the input shaft reaches a minimum speed. And, when the RPM drops below a preset speed the output stops. A big advantage is that it does not require a switch to isolate the alternator from the battery source to keep the alternator from draining the battery when not in use. The disadvantage in using this type of alternator is that the alternator will start to charge the batteries as soon as the minimum speed is reached, and will place a load on the engine as soon as the minimum RPM is achieved. In some cases, you might need to throttle through this minimum RPM range to insure that the motor does not bog down at low RPM when the alternator begins to produce power. Another disadvantage is that these alternators are more expensive than other options, but it provides a very simple connection method.
There is no denying that alternators do work, nor that loads increase. Suppose that you have a 100 amp alternator and the current load on the system is only 50 amps. The amount of mechanical load increase is trivial when adding those extra amps, hence "surplus" electricity. Work is still being done, but not like you've presumed.
Regardless of the physics involved or your belief that this is snake-oil for sale, a 3MPG increase has been measured with the load between 10 and 15 amps. We were completely unable to test emissions output on our own, but having read the article, we're curious to do so. We intend to test different electrode styles and higher and lower amperages and measuring what works best for this particular engine (the 3.0L V6 in the Nissan Maxima). The parts cost to build this particular Brown's Gas generator is ludicrously low, less than $50 (and if we use cheap stuff, half that). The guy peddling a box for $7500 is not gaining much over our cheap bottle and electrodes and manual switch set. You can build your own and see, or you can try to explain it away, discounting evidences from multiple sources that this is real.
It used to be that someone would claim 100MPG engines and people would cry, "FAKE!" Now when someone claims a 3MPG increase, which is reasonable (it's a 12.5% gain), you're just as prepared to decry it as a baseless flim-flam. Your loss.
It's hydrogen and oxygen, the exact amount released by electrolyzing water. This man is not just injecting hydrogen into the air intake, but one oxygen for every 2 hydrogen.
This results in a re-combining of the hydrogen and oxygen during combustion. This also creates high temperature water vapor which assists in the combustion process, increasing power output from the ordinary gasoline combustion. Brown's gas burns at several thousand degrees centigrade.
You'd think that, but it just isn't so. Common alternators place a constant load on the engine once they spin at a few hundred RPMs, even when the regulator is off.
You can make a DIY version of this same thing. Other people sell kits to do this exact process. Electrolyzing water into Hydrogen and Oxygen but not separating them produces what is called Brown's Gas (the Hydrogen and Oxygen mix). Brown's Gas can be generated easily with a very few amps of current. The draw on the circuitry can be regulated by way of control of molarity of the electrolyte.
My friend is currently experimenting on a cheap version of this with a manual shutoff switch (hey, it's cheap!) and has gone from 24MPG to 27MPG in a recent model Nissan Maxima (3.0L V6 model). We're not even done experimenting!
This stuff is for real. It just uses surplus electricity being generated by the alternator whether the battery needs charging or not. The engine is already doing the work, we're just recuperating it in the form of a mileage increasing, emission reducing water electrolysis system.
That's interesting. A recent Netcraft survey showed that there were thousands of FreeBSD IPs. Over 40000 alone at Yahoo. Extrapolated, every single person who even visits Yahoo is a FreeBSD user...
Just read the specs on Apple's site. The dual G5 beat the dual Xeon 3.06 GHz, in all spec tests.
Sure, the dual Xeon may yet be cheaper, but that doesn't mean it's something I want. I can buy a Porsche Boxter, a BMW Z3, or some such european sports car, or spend a lot less money for a turbo-charged Subaru WRX. If speed were all it was about, the world would be all "Ricers".
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Oops, an ill choice of words. What I meant by that is that you could make new hardware from the reclaimed materiel. Use the copper and such in new manufacturing process. Kinda like that "This box made from 20% post-consumer recycled blah-blah-blah"
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Put your old printed circuit boards in here and pulverize away! You could reclaim copper and gold EASILY from this contraption, and reduce the remainder to a fine powder. You could probably refine even that at a later point.
Think of it! Go down to the corner Tornado-in-a-can and feed it your old motherboard, monitor, TV, anything! Its a geek dream: pulverize something to tiny bits, recycle useable hardware, get some money back at the same time!
The reason I went with DSL (ok, originally there wasn't cable in that area) and stayed with it is because the price isn't that different, I get multiple static IPs, my router is in bridge mode, they don't care if I run FreeBSD, outbound port 80 isn't blocked, and my upload speed is twice what cable's is, with the option to increase it dramatically for an increase of fees. Last time I checked, you can't upgrade your feature set on the cable lines.
I've moved once since I got DSL, and purposely selected a location that would allow me to still have DSL access. (Might as well face it, I'm addicted to broadband)...:)
I have a really decent uptime record, and tight-vnc rocks over my connection, even with an only 30 kilobyte/sec upload stream (yes, I use ssh tunneling from work to get into my home boxen).
The kicker?... I used to work for Excite@Home!
I get clueless salesmen coming to my door now telling me that I can now get cable internet access in my neigborhood. I tell them I'm not interested in switching from DSL, and they proceed to tell my how much slower DSL is than cable (not anymore buck-o). They end up leaving my porch confused, bewildered, looking sheepish and often feeling dumb after I set them straight on how their service actually works (they really don't like it when I tell them I used to work for @Home).
In case you have been asleep for the last year, a certain Mr. Green just got busted for that very thing, and was sentenced in June.
No, it isn't legal to have more than one wife in Utah, and hasn't been since before the territory of Utah achieved statehood in 1896 (which was one of the conditions of statehood).
Also, although scandalous, bribing IOC officials was found to be the standard fare for most host-site hopefuls. Utah wasn't the first to do so. Utah was just the first to be prosecuted. IOC officials from previous years admitted to such.
Check your facts before you troll.
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup...
...I can stand to hear TomServo say, "Manos, the hands of fate" before I go stark raving mad!
This is, I believe, the only MST3K wherein "Buffy & Hildegard" actually apologize to Joel and co. about the quality of the film. I can't imagine punishing myself by having it in my collection...
I'm making a comfortable living now as a UNIX admin, and I owe it all to the number of reboots and crashes in WinNT. I couldn't stand it anymore, so I went to CompUSA and bought SuSE Linux 6.1 and installed it that very day. I vowed to myself that if I couldn't do it in Linux, I'd die trying or do without. I quickly learned how to do most basic sysadmin type tasks, and got a job testing software at a local company (Novell!) and NFS interactivity between their software and Linux. From there I went to a Jr. SysAdmin position at another local company, where I picked up Solaris, and FreeBSD. I soon thereafter migrated to FreeBSD for myself (couldn't be happier), and picked up another new job! This time I got to experience HP-UX 10.20 and 11i, and Tru-64. This job only lasted a short time before I was head-hunted to work for yet another company (finally in real sysadmin pool, not a jr. anymore) for my FreeBSD and Solaris experience.
The bottom line is don't stop learning and take every opportunity to move up you can get. The rewards are satisfaction and an endless increase to your skill set. Good Luck!
I built a new computer for my brother, and got his old K6-200. I used an old 3.2G hdd I had lying around, added a network card, and installed FreeBSD 4.3. I set the 2 cards up in Bridge mode and built a kernel to use IP Firewall. I get stateful filtering, and pretty much a fully transparent (stealth) firewall that I can have multiple machines behind. My cost? $14 for a network card...
Granted, I had a lot of old hardware, but it cost me next to nothing either way. As for power consumption, there's no floppy, no cdrom, no keyboard or mouse or monitor connected, bupkus. There's not much power consumption there. It may not be as little as 15 or 30 watts, but its a small enough amount that I'll use this happily.
IF in fact, as many penguinistas do claim in these forums, FreeBSD's SMP support is so inferior to Linux's, then why, in spite of this gross performance inhibition, was the FreeBSD box able to trounce the Linux box at all? Bad benchmarks be damned, if Linux's SMP is what I've heard it to be, it should've made a better showing than that.
GW Bush signed papers that denied funding to international organizations that support abortion.
Whatever the rules and regulations, support or opposition to abortion here in the USA, I agree with Mr. Bush. I don't want my tax dollars funding an abortion for someone in a foreign country.
We have enough controversy here concerning abortion, we shouldn't be paying for abortions elsewhere when we are still arguing about the issue here.
I can tell you from experience that if you're worried about memory and CPU overhead, you'll do better using *BSD instead. I have found that I can pare down the kernel and running services to a minimum, and have a surprising amount of grunt left over on a 486. A 486-100 with 32MB of RAM is more than enough to be a firewall/masq on *BSD or Linux, but the time involved in paring down the system so that no non-essential services/daemons are running is sometimes prohibitive. Kernel re-compiles can be a royal pain when you have to wait for hours!
Using ipfilter (ipf) in *BSD supports all of these features on top of one of the most robust and mature TCP stacks on the planet. I wouldn't use another OS for firewalling. Period.
I think I can sum up the one and only advantage (if you can call it that) that iptables has over ipf (aka ipfilter) in one short sentence...
You can run iptables in Linux.
Linux has its uses, don't get me wrong, but I'll take an OpenBSD firewall over any Linux firewall, regardless of which distro, or firewalling software it runs. The TCP stack in the BSDs is much more robust than the Linux stack, and its just plain faster.
Don't belive me? That's fine, but don't go flaming me unless you have actually used both Linux and *BSD firewalls extensively.
A number of replacements based on the acronym IIS could include:
It Is Sh*TTY
I Is Smart! (Refering to the people who chose to use MS/IIS)
It Isn't Seaworthy
I Imagined Stability
It Isn't Stable
Impression? It SUCKS!
Impotent Internet Server
Invokes I.T. Shame
Imbecile Inside Server
Anymore that I missed?
In God we trust...all others must submit a valid X.509 certificate.
A number of replacements based on the acronym IIS could include:
It Is Sh*TTY
I Is Smart! (Refering to the people who chose to use MS/IIS)
It Isn't Seaworthy
I Imagined Stability
It Isn't Stable
Impression? It SUCKS!
Impotent Internet Server
Invokes I.T. Shame
Imbecile Inside Server
Anymore that I missed?
In God we trust...all others must submit a valid X.509 certificate.
I have, but alien doesn't always work right. Wonderful when it does though. Its a really good way to bridge packages between systems when it works. I DO like the ports collection system of BSD though. Especially since I can keep the whole collection synced via CVS daily, and always keep on top of the latest releases, EASILY
Consider that many of the ports collection are actual source packages straight from the developer. The people in charge of the FreeBSD ports collection apply a patch after the source has been downloaded. Someone said that this is unfeasible for linux. Why? it probably wouldn't take too much effort to make a patch that would be specific to the distro. Also, the ports ARE upgradable, and I have done so to a few ports already (netscape 4.74 to name one).
Good call! I wouldn't mind working for, or at least having a local office here in the 2nd Silicon Valley (The area between Salt Lake City and Provo, Utah). As Linux becomes more and more mainstream, more of these huge companies will need servers and desktops, that work with Linux out of the box. Companies like Novell, and Intel, Sento, and other such growing and already large corporations will need that kind of product availability. So how about it, VA?
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My guess as to the combustion reaction is that adding steam increases the oxidation of the fuel, reducing HC and CO output. Best guess, since that effect has been observed in other reactions.
If combustion is performed almost completely in the combustion chamber rather than completing in the manifold and catalytic converter, perhaps that would explain a cooler tailpipe. Don't have any better guesses than that.
http://theepicenter.com/tow082099.html (Part way down the page).
There is no denying that alternators do work, nor that loads increase. Suppose that you have a 100 amp alternator and the current load on the system is only 50 amps. The amount of mechanical load increase is trivial when adding those extra amps, hence "surplus" electricity. Work is still being done, but not like you've presumed.
Regardless of the physics involved or your belief that this is snake-oil for sale, a 3MPG increase has been measured with the load between 10 and 15 amps. We were completely unable to test emissions output on our own, but having read the article, we're curious to do so. We intend to test different electrode styles and higher and lower amperages and measuring what works best for this particular engine (the 3.0L V6 in the Nissan Maxima). The parts cost to build this particular Brown's Gas generator is ludicrously low, less than $50 (and if we use cheap stuff, half that). The guy peddling a box for $7500 is not gaining much over our cheap bottle and electrodes and manual switch set. You can build your own and see, or you can try to explain it away, discounting evidences from multiple sources that this is real.
It used to be that someone would claim 100MPG engines and people would cry, "FAKE!" Now when someone claims a 3MPG increase, which is reasonable (it's a 12.5% gain), you're just as prepared to decry it as a baseless flim-flam. Your loss.
It's hydrogen and oxygen, the exact amount released by electrolyzing water. This man is not just injecting hydrogen into the air intake, but one oxygen for every 2 hydrogen.
This results in a re-combining of the hydrogen and oxygen during combustion. This also creates high temperature water vapor which assists in the combustion process, increasing power output from the ordinary gasoline combustion. Brown's gas burns at several thousand degrees centigrade.
Here are some links:
http://www.watertorch.com/faq/faq2.htmlt m
http://www.energyoptions.com/tech/browns.html
http://bwt.jeffotto.com/bwt_catalogue/brown_gas.h
You'd think that, but it just isn't so. Common alternators place a constant load on the engine once they spin at a few hundred RPMs, even when the regulator is off.
You can make a DIY version of this same thing. Other people sell kits to do this exact process. Electrolyzing water into Hydrogen and Oxygen but not separating them produces what is called Brown's Gas (the Hydrogen and Oxygen mix). Brown's Gas can be generated easily with a very few amps of current. The draw on the circuitry can be regulated by way of control of molarity of the electrolyte.
My friend is currently experimenting on a cheap version of this with a manual shutoff switch (hey, it's cheap!) and has gone from 24MPG to 27MPG in a recent model Nissan Maxima (3.0L V6 model). We're not even done experimenting!
This stuff is for real. It just uses surplus electricity being generated by the alternator whether the battery needs charging or not. The engine is already doing the work, we're just recuperating it in the form of a mileage increasing, emission reducing water electrolysis system.
I am so totally going to have to leave my "got root?" hat at home if I ever visit Australia...
That's interesting. A recent Netcraft survey showed that there were thousands of FreeBSD IPs. Over 40000 alone at Yahoo. Extrapolated, every single person who even visits Yahoo is a FreeBSD user...
Um...
Just read the specs on Apple's site. The dual G5 beat the dual Xeon 3.06 GHz, in all spec tests.
Sure, the dual Xeon may yet be cheaper, but that doesn't mean it's something I want. I can buy a Porsche Boxter, a BMW Z3, or some such european sports car, or spend a lot less money for a turbo-charged Subaru WRX. If speed were all it was about, the world would be all "Ricers".
Oops, an ill choice of words. What I meant by that is that you could make new hardware from the reclaimed materiel. Use the copper and such in new manufacturing process. Kinda like that "This box made from 20% post-consumer recycled blah-blah-blah"
Put your old printed circuit boards in here and pulverize away! You could reclaim copper and gold EASILY from this contraption, and reduce the remainder to a fine powder. You could probably refine even that at a later point.
Think of it! Go down to the corner Tornado-in-a-can and feed it your old motherboard, monitor, TV, anything! Its a geek dream: pulverize something to tiny bits, recycle useable hardware, get some money back at the same time!
The reason I went with DSL (ok, originally there wasn't cable in that area) and stayed with it is because the price isn't that different, I get multiple static IPs, my router is in bridge mode, they don't care if I run FreeBSD, outbound port 80 isn't blocked, and my upload speed is twice what cable's is, with the option to increase it dramatically for an increase of fees. Last time I checked, you can't upgrade your feature set on the cable lines.
:)
... I used to work for Excite@Home!
I've moved once since I got DSL, and purposely selected a location that would allow me to still have DSL access. (Might as well face it, I'm addicted to broadband)...
I have a really decent uptime record, and tight-vnc rocks over my connection, even with an only 30 kilobyte/sec upload stream (yes, I use ssh tunneling from work to get into my home boxen).
The kicker?
I get clueless salesmen coming to my door now telling me that I can now get cable internet access in my neigborhood. I tell them I'm not interested in switching from DSL, and they proceed to tell my how much slower DSL is than cable (not anymore buck-o). They end up leaving my porch confused, bewildered, looking sheepish and often feeling dumb after I set them straight on how their service actually works (they really don't like it when I tell them I used to work for @Home).
No, it isn't legal to have more than one wife in Utah, and hasn't been since before the territory of Utah achieved statehood in 1896 (which was one of the conditions of statehood).
Also, although scandalous, bribing IOC officials was found to be the standard fare for most host-site hopefuls. Utah wasn't the first to do so. Utah was just the first to be prosecuted. IOC officials from previous years admitted to such.
Check your facts before you troll.
__
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup...
This is, I believe, the only MST3K wherein "Buffy & Hildegard" actually apologize to Joel and co. about the quality of the film. I can't imagine punishing myself by having it in my collection...
Well, maybe I can.
I'm making a comfortable living now as a UNIX admin, and I owe it all to the number of reboots and crashes in WinNT. I couldn't stand it anymore, so I went to CompUSA and bought SuSE Linux 6.1 and installed it that very day. I vowed to myself that if I couldn't do it in Linux, I'd die trying or do without. I quickly learned how to do most basic sysadmin type tasks, and got a job testing software at a local company (Novell!) and NFS interactivity between their software and Linux. From there I went to a Jr. SysAdmin position at another local company, where I picked up Solaris, and FreeBSD. I soon thereafter migrated to FreeBSD for myself (couldn't be happier), and picked up another new job! This time I got to experience HP-UX 10.20 and 11i, and Tru-64. This job only lasted a short time before I was head-hunted to work for yet another company (finally in real sysadmin pool, not a jr. anymore) for my FreeBSD and Solaris experience.
The bottom line is don't stop learning and take every opportunity to move up you can get. The rewards are satisfaction and an endless increase to your skill set. Good Luck!
Granted, I had a lot of old hardware, but it cost me next to nothing either way. As for power consumption, there's no floppy, no cdrom, no keyboard or mouse or monitor connected, bupkus. There's not much power consumption there. It may not be as little as 15 or 30 watts, but its a small enough amount that I'll use this happily.
IF in fact, as many penguinistas do claim in these forums, FreeBSD's SMP support is so inferior to Linux's, then why, in spite of this gross performance inhibition, was the FreeBSD box able to trounce the Linux box at all? Bad benchmarks be damned, if Linux's SMP is what I've heard it to be, it should've made a better showing than that.
9 little greeblys sitting on a plate...
GW Bush signed papers that denied funding to international organizations that support abortion.
Whatever the rules and regulations, support or opposition to abortion here in the USA, I agree with Mr. Bush. I don't want my tax dollars funding an abortion for someone in a foreign country.
We have enough controversy here concerning abortion, we shouldn't be paying for abortions elsewhere when we are still arguing about the issue here.
I can tell you from experience that if you're worried about memory and CPU overhead, you'll do better using *BSD instead. I have found that I can pare down the kernel and running services to a minimum, and have a surprising amount of grunt left over on a 486. A 486-100 with 32MB of RAM is more than enough to be a firewall/masq on *BSD or Linux, but the time involved in paring down the system so that no non-essential services/daemons are running is sometimes prohibitive. Kernel re-compiles can be a royal pain when you have to wait for hours!
9 little greeblys sitting on a plate...
Using ipfilter (ipf) in *BSD supports all of these features on top of one of the most robust and mature TCP stacks on the planet. I wouldn't use another OS for firewalling. Period.
9 little greeblys sitting on a plate...
I think I can sum up the one and only advantage (if you can call it that) that iptables has over ipf (aka ipfilter) in one short sentence...
You can run iptables in Linux.
Linux has its uses, don't get me wrong, but I'll take an OpenBSD firewall over any Linux firewall, regardless of which distro, or firewalling software it runs. The TCP stack in the BSDs is much more robust than the Linux stack, and its just plain faster.
Don't belive me? That's fine, but don't go flaming me unless you have actually used both Linux and *BSD firewalls extensively.
9 little greeblys sitting on a plate...
Damn...I forgot to tag my text. Sorry all.
A number of replacements based on the acronym IIS could include:
It Is Sh*TTY
I Is Smart! (Refering to the people who chose to use MS/IIS)
It Isn't Seaworthy
I Imagined Stability
It Isn't Stable
Impression? It SUCKS!
Impotent Internet Server
Invokes I.T. Shame
Imbecile Inside Server
Anymore that I missed?
In God we trust...all others must submit a valid X.509 certificate.
A number of replacements based on the acronym IIS could include: It Is Sh*TTY I Is Smart! (Refering to the people who chose to use MS/IIS) It Isn't Seaworthy I Imagined Stability It Isn't Stable Impression? It SUCKS! Impotent Internet Server Invokes I.T. Shame Imbecile Inside Server Anymore that I missed? In God we trust...all others must submit a valid X.509 certificate.
I have, but alien doesn't always work right. Wonderful when it does though. Its a really good way to bridge packages between systems when it works. I DO like the ports collection system of BSD though. Especially since I can keep the whole collection synced via CVS daily, and always keep on top of the latest releases, EASILY
Consider that many of the ports collection are actual source packages straight from the developer. The people in charge of the FreeBSD ports collection apply a patch after the source has been downloaded. Someone said that this is unfeasible for linux. Why? it probably wouldn't take too much effort to make a patch that would be specific to the distro. Also, the ports ARE upgradable, and I have done so to a few ports already (netscape 4.74 to name one).
Blizzard made some of the funnest games I've ever played. They really ought to port them to Linux, or at least let LokiGames do it.
Good call! I wouldn't mind working for, or at least having a local office here in the 2nd Silicon Valley (The area between Salt Lake City and Provo, Utah). As Linux becomes more and more mainstream, more of these huge companies will need servers and desktops, that work with Linux out of the box. Companies like Novell, and Intel, Sento, and other such growing and already large corporations will need that kind of product availability. So how about it, VA?