Standard CSS or code for IE6?
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But in the real world, how many people really try to code decent, standard-following web pages, and how many just code for IE6. Even if the job can be done the right way isn't it easier to be lazy and neglect everyone but IE?
Are Gecko and Opera having a practical impact, yet? How about handheld devices?
As a substitute teacher, my wife has spent a fair amount of time in the classroom. She sees kids with NO educational support at home, and most of them have no chance in the classroom without it.
She sees behavior problems in the kids - and the parents. In the old days, get in trouble at school, and you're in trouble when you get home. Years ago, our son was having some problems in the classroom, and his teachers were stunned to see us back them up, and have him in hot water at home. That used to be the norm, and now it's not. She's had male teachers ask her to call out a girl for dress code violations, because they're afraid of getting sued. (The same girls in a Vermont Winter ask why the place is so COLD - wearing their spaghetti straps and exposed midriffs.)
You make the decision as a couple that some things are more important than money and possessions. You deliberately allow your standard of living to be lower than it could, otherwise. My job enabled us to keep my wife home with the kids, though we don't have all the toys, travel, clothing, and house we might otherwise like.
Even now when my kids come home - from high school - there's about a 15 minute window when they spill their guts. IMHO, it has been terribly important for my wife (or me, but it generally falls to her) to be there when it happens. After that 15 minutes they clam up and generally act like teenagers, though more polite and hard-working than many I see. She also works part-time, but in a job that lets her have that contact with the kids at the end of the day.
This is a side-effect of the 'greed is good' culture of the 1980's. It used to be that a car manufacturer was about making cars, a movie maker was about making movies, etc, and if they did a good job at what they were about, money came. If they were also good about handling their money, they were profitable and got the chance to make more cars, movies, etc, and make more money to keep doing it.
After the 80's this shifted. Whatever you made, it was about making money, and cars, movies, or whatever simply became a way to get the money, but the money came first. The corollary of this is that top management USED to be car or movie men (or women) who also knew how to manage money. Now top management BECAME money men (or women) who *might* also know something about cars or movies.
There are two net results out of this: * First, it leads our young adults to chase money instead of chasing cars or movies, for careers. It actually denigrates the act of creating cars and movies in favor of managing the money to fund those cars and movies. The best and brightest go where they perceive the best careers are. * Second, it leads to inferior products. Since those at the top are not really car and movie men, (or women) they don't have the best instincts about their products. Hence you tend get 'follow the herd' products. I can't do too well with the cars, but with movies you get sequel-itis, comic book adaptations, and Michael Crichton movies. Not that Crichton's books are bad, or make bad movies, it's just that you get *too much* repetition of known-good formulas. (Nothing wrong with a known-good formula, we need new stuff, too.)
I've used the samples of cars and movies. I'm sure the/. crowd would like to extend it to recorded music, too.
Other causes: Advertisers and the people to hire them may not even admit it to themselves, but they tend to want to turn us all into consuming idiots who buy their products without thinking. Hence advertising which attempts to bypass the consiousness and go for the glandular reactions.
Another part of the 80's money culture: Get the quarterly report looking good. Research is a drain on this quarter. Of course it's good in the long run, but we must 'balance' the long run against the quarterly results. Guess which way the balance usually ends up tilting.
In the long run, a culture works as long as the most competent rise to the most responsible positions. Education is seen as key in our culture, and we have 'tried' to make it available to all. Aside from the fact that we haven't 'tried' hard enough, take a look at college: It's the gate to the top positions. If you want to take this as a class warfare issue, it's in the interest of the wealthy for colleges to be expensive. That way only the children of the wealthy can qualify for the top positions. In that light, it's simply enforcing a class system while paying lip service to equal opportunity and objective standards. But the real sin to our society is the smart, poor kid who can't afford the education while an academically mediocre rich kid can, and gets the associated opportunities.
But is there any effective difference between the two end states? In either case, don't you just reformat, reinstall, and curse yourself for not doing proper backups?
This is a bit of a pain in the neck, and one thing I'm looking forward to out of the recent X forks. One of the forks seems to be promising a separation of the client libs from the server. Of course you want to build a server without an X server, but it would be kind of nice to have X clients on that machine to run over your ssh tunnel.
Or keep the wood case, and find some way to line it with metal. Two thoughts come to mind: Easiest, get a conductive paint and spray the inside, and use a washer/bolt for electrical contact. Finding the paint might be the easiest, though aluminum paint (contains real aluminum dust as the pigment) is fairly easy to find, and should be sufficiently conductive. Slightly harder, paint the inside with some form of adhesive, and fit aluminum foil to it, electrically contact with same washer/bolt/
I find it amusing that Atlantean technology always seemed to be 'better then what we have today' for the past thousand+ years. As our technology marches forward, so does Atlantis.
You beat me to the punch... (Forever Peace reference later)
Obviously, just about *every* established corporation has as much skin in preventing 'replicators' as the RIAA and MPAA do in preventing net exchange of media content.
This is a loaded question, in that the/. audience feels that the RIAA and MPAA are overlooking new business models that could possibly make them MORE money, but are currently stuck in their current business models and trying to preserve them. Nonetheless, I expect just about the entire corporate sector to fight 'replicator technology' that can abolish scarcity of goods. (What do we manufacture? We manufacture SCARCITY, so we can keep charging a high price for it!)
In "The Forever Peace" the US government went to the lengths of setting off a small nuke on US soil at the nanotech lab. They wanted the public to FEAR nanotech-assembly, and think it was DANGEROUS, and what better way than to associate it with a nuke. That fear then allowed them to set up tightly controlled nanotech-assembly centers where you could buy goods at a controlled price. The 'engine of abundance' was itself made feared and scarce.
In another book, title forgotten, aliens give us replicators that can also replicate themselves. Almost too late, someone realizes that the aliens weren't doing us any favors, they were trying to destroy our economy. Fortunately our hero realizeds that in an economy of abundant copies, the original work is King, and leads the way in creating an economy of artistry surrounded by abundance.
I've spent enough years (25+) in a big corporation to know that they develop internal cultures. I'm sure many people at MS are well aware of Linux and what's happening "outside", (There's a big-corporate term, for you.) but I'm equally sure that many of their employees' computing experience begins and ends with Microsoft. They may know the word, "Linux", but only in the sense that it's the *enemy*, like Lotus, Oracle, Sun, IBM, Google, Intuit, etc.
Consider this especially when they work like MicroSerfs on software all day, and many don't want to work on programming at night. Then add that they probably get Microsoft products for free or negligible cost, so aren't motivated to save money of software. Finally, there might even be some loyalty.
I rather liked Sylvester McCoy, rather quirky in a different way than all of the Doctors were quirky. I was rather sorry that the series ended on McCoy's watch. For another good/bad, it was good that they paid some homage to McCoy in the 1996 movie, it was bad that he might have inherited some stain from it.
I forget which episode, even which Doctor, but I distinctly remember seeing a Dalek go up stairs. It had a bluish-white glow of technobabble under the base, enabling it to ascend the stairs. (It might have been during Colin Baker's tenure, but I wouldn't stake my (anything) on it.)
The key difference between helium and argon is density. Helium is (obviously) lighter than air, and when released, floats to the top of the atmosphere. Presumably some evaporates into interplanetary space, given the energetic environment, there. Argon is denser than air, so it will tend to stay in the lower atmosphere.
Both are fossils of creation, but helium is also generated by alpha decay of radioactives inside the Earth. (Alpha decay particle steals two electrons from an unsuspecting nearby atom and presto, helium.)
If there were enough desire for helium, it might be possible to scoop it from the upper atmosphere. There has been talk of space planes running an oxygen liqufaction cycle for an 'air-breathing rocket'. If we can actually do that, we're halfway to mining helium. Helium would be part of the stuff that *didn't* liquify on the first part of the cycle.
The usual obvious jokes
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I agree with everything you said up until the WTO line. I'm not sure if the purpose of the WTO is to promote world trade, or to cement a place at the top for the multinational corporate club. In that respect, I may agree with you, as well. However I think the WE you refer to isn't even the US, it's the members of the aforementioned club.
Nor was I saying that the US 'needed' to be on top. I was merely saying that some of our current actions are rather arrogant for a #1 possibly destined to become #4 in the next few decades. Moving from #1 to #4, under any circumstances, can be 'traumatic', and it doesn't help if you've previously antagonized those moving above you.
From what I've read, Ross Dickson has done a tremendous job of figuring out the hangs and stabilizing things. But I don't think he would say he's done, at least as of yesterday on lkml he wasn't saying that.
I'm actually not having problems, either. (I began using AGP when it was a standalone patch, just prior to going into 2.4.20-ac2.) But then, I'm careful to not use APIC or ACPI, which seem to be part of the formula for trouble. It actually has something to do with timer IRQ routing in the nForce2, address prefetching built into the nForce2, and a thing called the 'C1-disconnect state' in the Athlon.
Stick with the XT-PIC and you're fine, which is what I've been doing. But I'm not getting the full benefit of the chipset, and don't believe I can fully flex the onboard peripherals (SATA support is just getting there, too.) without the APIC.
The boards run fine with RH8 and a newer 2.4 kernel, so I'm not inclined to take the pain to switch to Gentoo until I can get full-function with a 2.6 kernel, too.
S.F. reference - "Cycle of Fire" by Hal Clement. A primitive alien wants to better himself and his race, and gets the chance to freely study while associating with humans, with the sad realization that the new knowledge will be wiped before he's returned to his people.
*** SPOILER ***
But he was clever - while all knowledge was wiped, he managed to hang onto *the scientific method*, so he and his race could accelerate progress in the future.
Today the US is the worlds largest economy. The side effect of outsourcing for reduced labor costs is to lower wages in the US. (war on the middle class) I would expect this to show up as a drag on GDP growth. Sure, corporate profits will be up, but fewer of us will be customers for those products.
At the same time, the EU has just expanded and Turkey is clamoring to be included in the next round of expansion. I anticipate the EU GDP to pass the US in the next decade, though to be honest I'm not terribly familiar with the numbers. A few moments on Google turned up $9.5e12 for the EU vs $10.1e12 for the US, and then went on to talk about how higher US military spending made the US better. One might also fear too much military spending as a drag on the economy. Sure military dollars are commercial contracts, but those dollars don't regenerate the way private sector activity would.
On the other side of the world, India and China both have much larger populations. Both are well behind the US, but both are eagerly trying to grow. In particular, we've been shipping jobs (and growth) to both for decades.
By mid-century *if present trends continue* I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the US be the 4th-ranked world economy. But it will take an additional decade added to my historical family lifetime for me to see that.
*if present trends continue* I once saw Lester Thoreau speak 'on the future', and he said that the only predictable thing about the future was that present trends won't continue. Could get better, could get worse.
Slashdot Mirror
But in the real world, how many people really try to code decent, standard-following web pages, and how many just code for IE6. Even if the job can be done the right way isn't it easier to be lazy and neglect everyone but IE?
Are Gecko and Opera having a practical impact, yet?
How about handheld devices?
Oversimplification...Slashdot...
Oh, right.
As a substitute teacher, my wife has spent a fair amount of time in the classroom. She sees kids with NO educational support at home, and most of them have no chance in the classroom without it.
She sees behavior problems in the kids - and the parents. In the old days, get in trouble at school, and you're in trouble when you get home. Years ago, our son was having some problems in the classroom, and his teachers were stunned to see us back them up, and have him in hot water at home. That used to be the norm, and now it's not. She's had male teachers ask her to call out a girl for dress code violations, because they're afraid of getting sued. (The same girls in a Vermont Winter ask why the place is so COLD - wearing their spaghetti straps and exposed midriffs.)
You make the decision as a couple that some things are more important than money and possessions. You deliberately allow your standard of living to be lower than it could, otherwise. My job enabled us to keep my wife home with the kids, though we don't have all the toys, travel, clothing, and house we might otherwise like.
Even now when my kids come home - from high school - there's about a 15 minute window when they spill their guts. IMHO, it has been terribly important for my wife (or me, but it generally falls to her) to be there when it happens. After that 15 minutes they clam up and generally act like teenagers, though more polite and hard-working than many I see. She also works part-time, but in a job that lets her have that contact with the kids at the end of the day.
This is a side-effect of the 'greed is good' culture of the 1980's. It used to be that a car manufacturer was about making cars, a movie maker was about making movies, etc, and if they did a good job at what they were about, money came. If they were also good about handling their money, they were profitable and got the chance to make more cars, movies, etc, and make more money to keep doing it.
/. crowd would like to extend it to recorded music, too.
After the 80's this shifted. Whatever you made, it was about making money, and cars, movies, or whatever simply became a way to get the money, but the money came first. The corollary of this is that top management USED to be car or movie men (or women) who also knew how to manage money. Now top management BECAME money men (or women) who *might* also know something about cars or movies.
There are two net results out of this:
* First, it leads our young adults to chase money instead of chasing cars or movies, for careers. It actually denigrates the act of creating cars and movies in favor of managing the money to fund those cars and movies. The best and brightest go where they perceive the best careers are.
* Second, it leads to inferior products. Since those at the top are not really car and movie men, (or women) they don't have the best instincts about their products. Hence you tend get 'follow the herd' products. I can't do too well with the cars, but with movies you get sequel-itis, comic book adaptations, and Michael Crichton movies. Not that Crichton's books are bad, or make bad movies, it's just that you get *too much* repetition of known-good formulas. (Nothing wrong with a known-good formula, we need new stuff, too.)
I've used the samples of cars and movies. I'm sure the
Other causes:
Advertisers and the people to hire them may not even admit it to themselves, but they tend to want to turn us all into consuming idiots who buy their products without thinking. Hence advertising which attempts to bypass the consiousness and go for the glandular reactions.
Another part of the 80's money culture: Get the quarterly report looking good. Research is a drain on this quarter. Of course it's good in the long run, but we must 'balance' the long run against the quarterly results. Guess which way the balance usually ends up tilting.
In the long run, a culture works as long as the most competent rise to the most responsible positions. Education is seen as key in our culture, and we have 'tried' to make it available to all. Aside from the fact that we haven't 'tried' hard enough, take a look at college: It's the gate to the top positions. If you want to take this as a class warfare issue, it's in the interest of the wealthy for colleges to be expensive. That way only the children of the wealthy can qualify for the top positions. In that light, it's simply enforcing a class system while paying lip service to equal opportunity and objective standards. But the real sin to our society is the smart, poor kid who can't afford the education while an academically mediocre rich kid can, and gets the associated opportunities.
Enough.
But is there any effective difference between the two end states? In either case, don't you just reformat, reinstall, and curse yourself for not doing proper backups?
This is a bit of a pain in the neck, and one thing I'm looking forward to out of the recent X forks. One of the forks seems to be promising a separation of the client libs from the server. Of course you want to build a server without an X server, but it would be kind of nice to have X clients on that machine to run over your ssh tunnel.
Or keep the wood case, and find some way to line it with metal. Two thoughts come to mind:
Easiest, get a conductive paint and spray the inside, and use a washer/bolt for electrical contact. Finding the paint might be the easiest, though aluminum paint (contains real aluminum dust as the pigment) is fairly easy to find, and should be sufficiently conductive.
Slightly harder, paint the inside with some form of adhesive, and fit aluminum foil to it, electrically contact with same washer/bolt/
I find it amusing that Atlantean technology always seemed to be 'better then what we have today' for the past thousand+ years. As our technology marches forward, so does Atlantis.
Heck, at the altitude of the ISS, I wouldn't be surprised to see the helium doubly-ionized, so you're back to alpha particles, again.
Don't think it's the same story. The (name forgotten) one I mentioned was just a short story in an anthology, not even a novella or novellette.
Syntax Error "PROFIT!"
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Command Not Found "PROFIT"
You beat me to the punch...
/. audience feels that the RIAA and MPAA are overlooking new business models that could possibly make them MORE money, but are currently stuck in their current business models and trying to preserve them. Nonetheless, I expect just about the entire corporate sector to fight 'replicator technology' that can abolish scarcity of goods. (What do we manufacture? We manufacture SCARCITY, so we can keep charging a high price for it!)
(Forever Peace reference later)
Obviously, just about *every* established corporation has as much skin in preventing 'replicators' as the RIAA and MPAA do in preventing net exchange of media content.
This is a loaded question, in that the
In "The Forever Peace" the US government went to the lengths of setting off a small nuke on US soil at the nanotech lab. They wanted the public to FEAR nanotech-assembly, and think it was DANGEROUS, and what better way than to associate it with a nuke. That fear then allowed them to set up tightly controlled nanotech-assembly centers where you could buy goods at a controlled price. The 'engine of abundance' was itself made feared and scarce.
In another book, title forgotten, aliens give us replicators that can also replicate themselves. Almost too late, someone realizes that the aliens weren't doing us any favors, they were trying to destroy our economy. Fortunately our hero realizeds that in an economy of abundant copies, the original work is King, and leads the way in creating an economy of artistry surrounded by abundance.
Yes.
I've spent enough years (25+) in a big corporation to know that they develop internal cultures. I'm sure many people at MS are well aware of Linux and what's happening "outside", (There's a big-corporate term, for you.) but I'm equally sure that many of their employees' computing experience begins and ends with Microsoft. They may know the word, "Linux", but only in the sense that it's the *enemy*, like Lotus, Oracle, Sun, IBM, Google, Intuit, etc.
Consider this especially when they work like MicroSerfs on software all day, and many don't want to work on programming at night. Then add that they probably get Microsoft products for free or negligible cost, so aren't motivated to save money of software. Finally, there might even be some loyalty.
I rather liked Sylvester McCoy, rather quirky in a different way than all of the Doctors were quirky. I was rather sorry that the series ended on McCoy's watch. For another good/bad, it was good that they paid some homage to McCoy in the 1996 movie, it was bad that he might have inherited some stain from it.
I just plain didn't like Colin Baker.
I forget which episode, even which Doctor, but I distinctly remember seeing a Dalek go up stairs. It had a bluish-white glow of technobabble under the base, enabling it to ascend the stairs. (It might have been during Colin Baker's tenure, but I wouldn't stake my (anything) on it.)
The key difference between helium and argon is density. Helium is (obviously) lighter than air, and when released, floats to the top of the atmosphere. Presumably some evaporates into interplanetary space, given the energetic environment, there. Argon is denser than air, so it will tend to stay in the lower atmosphere.
Both are fossils of creation, but helium is also generated by alpha decay of radioactives inside the Earth. (Alpha decay particle steals two electrons from an unsuspecting nearby atom and presto, helium.)
If there were enough desire for helium, it might be possible to scoop it from the upper atmosphere. There has been talk of space planes running an oxygen liqufaction cycle for an 'air-breathing rocket'. If we can actually do that, we're halfway to mining helium. Helium would be part of the stuff that *didn't* liquify on the first part of the cycle.
How about a Beowulf cluster of these?
In Russia, bollards reposition YOU!
This news makes it obvious that *BSD is dead.
I agree with everything you said up until the WTO line. I'm not sure if the purpose of the WTO is to promote world trade, or to cement a place at the top for the multinational corporate club. In that respect, I may agree with you, as well. However I think the WE you refer to isn't even the US, it's the members of the aforementioned club.
Nor was I saying that the US 'needed' to be on top. I was merely saying that some of our current actions are rather arrogant for a #1 possibly destined to become #4 in the next few decades. Moving from #1 to #4, under any circumstances, can be 'traumatic', and it doesn't help if you've previously antagonized those moving above you.
From what I've read, Ross Dickson has done a tremendous job of figuring out the hangs and stabilizing things. But I don't think he would say he's done, at least as of yesterday on lkml he wasn't saying that.
I'm actually not having problems, either. (I began using AGP when it was a standalone patch, just prior to going into 2.4.20-ac2.) But then, I'm careful to not use APIC or ACPI, which seem to be part of the formula for trouble. It actually has something to do with timer IRQ routing in the nForce2, address prefetching built into the nForce2, and a thing called the 'C1-disconnect state' in the Athlon.
Stick with the XT-PIC and you're fine, which is what I've been doing. But I'm not getting the full benefit of the chipset, and don't believe I can fully flex the onboard peripherals (SATA support is just getting there, too.) without the APIC.
The boards run fine with RH8 and a newer 2.4 kernel, so I'm not inclined to take the pain to switch to Gentoo until I can get full-function with a 2.6 kernel, too.
Never read either. Thanks for the pointers.
S.F. reference - "Cycle of Fire" by Hal Clement. A primitive alien wants to better himself and his race, and gets the chance to freely study while associating with humans, with the sad realization that the new knowledge will be wiped before he's returned to his people.
*** SPOILER ***
But he was clever - while all knowledge was wiped, he managed to hang onto *the scientific method*, so he and his race could accelerate progress in the future.
Add to that...
Today the US is the worlds largest economy. The side effect of outsourcing for reduced labor costs is to lower wages in the US. (war on the middle class) I would expect this to show up as a drag on GDP growth. Sure, corporate profits will be up, but fewer of us will be customers for those products.
At the same time, the EU has just expanded and Turkey is clamoring to be included in the next round of expansion. I anticipate the EU GDP to pass the US in the next decade, though to be honest I'm not terribly familiar with the numbers. A few moments on Google turned up $9.5e12 for the EU vs $10.1e12 for the US, and then went on to talk about how higher US military spending made the US better. One might also fear too much military spending as a drag on the economy. Sure military dollars are commercial contracts, but those dollars don't regenerate the way private sector activity would.
On the other side of the world, India and China both have much larger populations. Both are well behind the US, but both are eagerly trying to grow. In particular, we've been shipping jobs (and growth) to both for decades.
By mid-century *if present trends continue* I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the US be the 4th-ranked world economy. But it will take an additional decade added to my historical family lifetime for me to see that.
*if present trends continue* I once saw Lester Thoreau speak 'on the future', and he said that the only predictable thing about the future was that present trends won't continue. Could get better, could get worse.
Which will happen first:
An Armadillo Aerospace launch
or
The Doom3 product launch
Enquiring minds want to know.