You compile one puny kernel module and you extrapolate that to all applications. Try compiling something like OpenOffice or Evolution and get back to us.
...and it requires everyone to have a compiler on their system that may or may not be at the correct release.
...and it requires a powerful system unless you have days to wait for the compile. Good luck on a netbook.
Before you arbitrarily shoot down the idea maybe you could stop and think that not everyone has the same hardware, patience or needs that you do.
You said that the dogma is that it absolutely has to be open source. Now you told me that your alternative solution is... an open source driver.
You're taking my comments about an open source driver out of context. The alternate solution I mentioned was that if the community so desperately needs an open source driver then they can write their own rather than badgering the vendor to hand over their source code.
So where is the dogmatism? We all seem to agree that the practical solution to this problem is a high quality open source driver.
No, I agree that the solution is a high quality driver. I, and I believe many others, don't care if the source is open or not.
About that "bitching and moaning": I, Chandon Seldon or the original AC did nothing of that sort, as far as I can tell. We just pointed out why we chose another solution. So... could please tell what are you referring to?
Again, you're taking my comments out of context. You're clearly new to this thing called the internet. We have these things like conversations where the discussion evolves and not everything is in response to the original statement. Please go back and read the trail of the discussion and maybe you'll understand. If you have trouble with the big words just try to sound them out, if you still have trouble you can ask your mother upstairs for help.
I'd also like to point out that "Everything you've mentioned can also be addressed... without requiring the release of the source code" is a totally laughable idea when you present it without details. As an example how do you expect the community to be able to fix bugs and keep old drivers up-to-date (two of GPs points) when the source is not available?
I presented it without the details because I felt it was obvious. I guess I'll have to spell it out for you. A freely available hardware spec allows the community to write their own open source driver if the vendor supplied binary only driver is no longer maintained or requires patching that the vendor is unwilling/unable to do.
I don't expect the community to be able to keep a binary only driver up to date but if the hardware spec is freely available then the community has the tools to write their own open source driver. That is exactly what has happened with NVIDIA. NVIDIA does not want to open source their drivers (which is their right by the way) but the hardware spec is available and an open source driver, maintained by the community, is now available. Sure it would be easier for the community if NVIDIA handed over the source for their driver but try to look at it from someone else's perspective for once.
NVIDIA has spent a lot of time and money improving the quality of their drivers. It's part of their competitive advantage. Why should they hand over that code where it can be easily incorporated into the drivers of a competitor? And did it ever occur that NVIDIA may have code in their driver that they licensed from someone else and they are not allowed to release it.
The point is that as long as a driver is well maintained and the hardware spec is freely available as a protection against future issues then what does it matter that the vendor only wants to release a binary. Rather than bitching and moaning that they didn't release the source code why not thank them for the effort of supporting your chosen operating system...for free.
To be more precise, there are 24 standard time zones which are always 1 hour apart. Additional time zones have been adopted by some countries for geographical or political reasons.
The "dogma" is that it absolutely has to be open source. Everything you've mentioned can also be addressed by a freely available hardware spec without requiring the release of the source code. There's more than one way to skin a cat (apologies to any cat lovers out there) but the purists won't settle for anything less than the source code.
I shouldn't have used to word "remove". You can not actually remove the Java plugin from the Firefox UI but you can disable it.
The.NET plugin does not offer the user the option to disable it. Which is interesting because the other 29 extensions I have installed all allow themselves to be disabled.
Should Java be controlled from the extensions list rather than the "Preferences-->Content" tab, sure. But Java was around before extensions and they haven't gone back and corrected the UI. However, does this excuse Microsoft from installing an extension to Firefox and not allowing it to be disabled like every other extension, most definitely not.
Another example of dogma over practicality. 99.9999999999% of users have no use for the source code and could care less if it was available. Who cares if the source code for the driver is available AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A DRIVER AND IT'S FREE!!! And by free I mean "does not cost money".
Personally I think it's a mistake to choose an inferior product simply because it does not have the source code available which most people will never need, look at or use. But of course you are free to make that choice.
I'm a big proponent of open source but this is one of those issues where the purists bite off their nose in spite of their face. It threatens to drive away companies that have the temerity to support Linux in a way other than what the purists believe.
And, yes, by all rights, Firefox should support.Net natively. It already has special support built in for Java, so there's no reason why it shouldn't include the same hooks for.Net other than an irrational hatred of Microsoft.
Try again anonymous Microsoft fanboi.
As far as I can see there is nothing special special in Firefox for Java to function unless you are referring to the standard plugin architecture that Firefox/Mozilla provides for all plugins.
Java is installed at the choice of the user where the.NET plugin is installed by a Windows update without informing the user. Once installed the Java plugin can easily be removed by the user via the Firefox configuration GUI but the.NET plugin can not be installed without doing some complicated registry and configuration hacks.
To me this looks like an attempt to drag Firefox down to the level of IE by silently adding.NET holes into Firefox and then they can say, "It's not us because Firefox has the same problems we do".
Well, you need enough to hurt the plaintiff. You need enough to clearly and unambiguously convey the message "Never ever EVER do that again".
I don't think $10 million is going to be enough, but it's a good start.
No, the reason she asked for $10M was because Toyota is a huge company. If a small business did the same thing she wouldn't likely be suing at all or she'd be suing for a damn sight less. In fact, if it was a small company it's more likely that the police would be filing criminal charges which I believe Toyota deserves but of course won't get.
And I never did understand why it is up to the first person filing a civil lawsuit to "send a message". That's total BS. They don't want to send a message...THEY WANT CASH! Sending a message is just an excuse to add a few zeroes to the claim and the deeper the pockets the better. The only place for "sending a message" is in criminal court and class action lawsuits. Anything else is opportunistic greed.
The idea of an entire demographic of Simpson's fans out there with the hots for Marge, a character from their children's TV shows, and the producers being willing to cater to them, is simply too perturbing a thought to take.
I totally agree. After all, she's no Betty Rubble.:D
They can, they just don't think that tiny minority of people are worth spending the support and development time it would cost on.
Because, well, you're not.
That's because the average person wasn't aware there were alternatives because Microsoft blocked anything but IE for so many years. The purpose of this ruling is to correct that. The number of people who will take advantage of this will be small at first but will very likely increase as they learn about their options.
I agree that being impaired at 0.08 is somewhat arbitrary since different people react differently to alcohol. I've seen people stumbling around after one drink and other people who can still pass a sobriety test after 5 or 6 drinks. Unfortunately the law requires a more precise definition and at 0.08 most people are impaired so that's the number that we have.
If you've been managing DNS records for over 10 years and you don't know what's meant by "transferring domains" then you really don't know what you're doing and should "transfer" your domains to someone who does.
Actually I wouldn't be surprised how little it takes to get to 0.08 as I do have a breathalyzer. It's not a question of how many drinks it takes to get to 0.08 it's a question of are you impaired at 0.08 and the answer is YES. I'd be interested if you could provide a link to anything that shows what you claim.
And just because 0.15 was the standard adopted in the 70's doesn't mean that it was right. All you have to do is look at the clothing then and it's clear we were drunk and nothing we said could be trusted anyway.:D
Don't try to make Canada out to be the bad guy. Some places in the U.S. won't let in Canadians if they have a DUI conviction. I know this because it happened to a friend of mine trying to cross into New York or Michigan (I'm not sure).
The reason is because a DUI is a violation of the Criminal of Canada (i.e. not a misdemeanor) which makes it consistently enforced at all entry points and only applies to convictions in the last 5 years. This is similar to U.S. border rules.
And who in their right mind would pass a law making drunk driving a misdemeanor? I don't care if some idiot wants to put themselves at risk but as soon as they get behind the wheel of a car they are endangering other people. That's a criminal act in my mind.
amazingly, Columbia and Challenger launched on the same day in February like 20 years apart...go figure
I'll assume you were repeating something someone else said but next time try a quick internet search before passing it on.
Both missions where Challenger and Columbia were destroyed were launched in January not February. The launches were 17 not 20 years apart. They were not launched on the same day. (Challenger launched on Jan 28, 1986, Columbia launched on Jan 16, 2003)
I think you're forgetting that much of the current deficit is in response to the economic meltdown that started before Obama became president.
However, to clarify, the current projected deficit is $1.6T. The $9T estimate is for 2010-2019. Although the long term estimate is alarming it not likely to be accurate. Could be more, could be less.
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You compile one puny kernel module and you extrapolate that to all applications. Try compiling something like OpenOffice or Evolution and get back to us.
Before you arbitrarily shoot down the idea maybe you could stop and think that not everyone has the same hardware, patience or needs that you do.
When you made your first post as an AC you had already decided to not participate.
You're taking my comments about an open source driver out of context. The alternate solution I mentioned was that if the community so desperately needs an open source driver then they can write their own rather than badgering the vendor to hand over their source code.
No, I agree that the solution is a high quality driver. I, and I believe many others, don't care if the source is open or not.
Again, you're taking my comments out of context. You're clearly new to this thing called the internet. We have these things like conversations where the discussion evolves and not everything is in response to the original statement. Please go back and read the trail of the discussion and maybe you'll understand. If you have trouble with the big words just try to sound them out, if you still have trouble you can ask your mother upstairs for help.
I presented it without the details because I felt it was obvious. I guess I'll have to spell it out for you. A freely available hardware spec allows the community to write their own open source driver if the vendor supplied binary only driver is no longer maintained or requires patching that the vendor is unwilling/unable to do.
I don't expect the community to be able to keep a binary only driver up to date but if the hardware spec is freely available then the community has the tools to write their own open source driver. That is exactly what has happened with NVIDIA. NVIDIA does not want to open source their drivers (which is their right by the way) but the hardware spec is available and an open source driver, maintained by the community, is now available. Sure it would be easier for the community if NVIDIA handed over the source for their driver but try to look at it from someone else's perspective for once.
NVIDIA has spent a lot of time and money improving the quality of their drivers. It's part of their competitive advantage. Why should they hand over that code where it can be easily incorporated into the drivers of a competitor? And did it ever occur that NVIDIA may have code in their driver that they licensed from someone else and they are not allowed to release it.
The point is that as long as a driver is well maintained and the hardware spec is freely available as a protection against future issues then what does it matter that the vendor only wants to release a binary. Rather than bitching and moaning that they didn't release the source code why not thank them for the effort of supporting your chosen operating system...for free.
To be more precise, there are 24 standard time zones which are always 1 hour apart. Additional time zones have been adopted by some countries for geographical or political reasons.
The "dogma" is that it absolutely has to be open source. Everything you've mentioned can also be addressed by a freely available hardware spec without requiring the release of the source code. There's more than one way to skin a cat (apologies to any cat lovers out there) but the purists won't settle for anything less than the source code.
I shouldn't have used to word "remove". You can not actually remove the Java plugin from the Firefox UI but you can disable it.
The .NET plugin does not offer the user the option to disable it. Which is interesting because the other 29 extensions I have installed all allow themselves to be disabled.
Should Java be controlled from the extensions list rather than the "Preferences-->Content" tab, sure. But Java was around before extensions and they haven't gone back and corrected the UI. However, does this excuse Microsoft from installing an extension to Firefox and not allowing it to be disabled like every other extension, most definitely not.
My point is that you can disable Java through the Firefox UI but you can not disable .NET.
Another example of dogma over practicality. 99.9999999999% of users have no use for the source code and could care less if it was available. Who cares if the source code for the driver is available AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A DRIVER AND IT'S FREE!!! And by free I mean "does not cost money".
Personally I think it's a mistake to choose an inferior product simply because it does not have the source code available which most people will never need, look at or use. But of course you are free to make that choice.
I'm a big proponent of open source but this is one of those issues where the purists bite off their nose in spite of their face. It threatens to drive away companies that have the temerity to support Linux in a way other than what the purists believe.
That's my rant for the day.
Try again anonymous Microsoft fanboi.
As far as I can see there is nothing special special in Firefox for Java to function unless you are referring to the standard plugin architecture that Firefox/Mozilla provides for all plugins.
Java is installed at the choice of the user where the .NET plugin is installed by a Windows update without informing the user. Once installed the Java plugin can easily be removed by the user via the Firefox configuration GUI but the .NET plugin can not be installed without doing some complicated registry and configuration hacks.
To me this looks like an attempt to drag Firefox down to the level of IE by silently adding .NET holes into Firefox and then they can say, "It's not us because Firefox has the same problems we do".
No, the reason she asked for $10M was because Toyota is a huge company. If a small business did the same thing she wouldn't likely be suing at all or she'd be suing for a damn sight less. In fact, if it was a small company it's more likely that the police would be filing criminal charges which I believe Toyota deserves but of course won't get.
And I never did understand why it is up to the first person filing a civil lawsuit to "send a message". That's total BS. They don't want to send a message...THEY WANT CASH! Sending a message is just an excuse to add a few zeroes to the claim and the deeper the pockets the better. The only place for "sending a message" is in criminal court and class action lawsuits. Anything else is opportunistic greed.
Now we know why all the doors on Star Trek are "hands free".
I totally agree. After all, she's no Betty Rubble. :D
That's because the average person wasn't aware there were alternatives because Microsoft blocked anything but IE for so many years. The purpose of this ruling is to correct that. The number of people who will take advantage of this will be small at first but will very likely increase as they learn about their options.
I agree that being impaired at 0.08 is somewhat arbitrary since different people react differently to alcohol. I've seen people stumbling around after one drink and other people who can still pass a sobriety test after 5 or 6 drinks. Unfortunately the law requires a more precise definition and at 0.08 most people are impaired so that's the number that we have.
If you've been managing DNS records for over 10 years and you don't know what's meant by "transferring domains" then you really don't know what you're doing and should "transfer" your domains to someone who does.
Actually I wouldn't be surprised how little it takes to get to 0.08 as I do have a breathalyzer. It's not a question of how many drinks it takes to get to 0.08 it's a question of are you impaired at 0.08 and the answer is YES. I'd be interested if you could provide a link to anything that shows what you claim.
And just because 0.15 was the standard adopted in the 70's doesn't mean that it was right. All you have to do is look at the clothing then and it's clear we were drunk and nothing we said could be trusted anyway. :D
Where are you that less than 0.15 is not impaired driving? 0.08 is drunk enough that you can't drive, 0.15 is drunk enough that you can't walk.
Don't try to make Canada out to be the bad guy. Some places in the U.S. won't let in Canadians if they have a DUI conviction. I know this because it happened to a friend of mine trying to cross into New York or Michigan (I'm not sure).
The reason is because a DUI is a violation of the Criminal of Canada (i.e. not a misdemeanor) which makes it consistently enforced at all entry points and only applies to convictions in the last 5 years. This is similar to U.S. border rules.
And who in their right mind would pass a law making drunk driving a misdemeanor? I don't care if some idiot wants to put themselves at risk but as soon as they get behind the wheel of a car they are endangering other people. That's a criminal act in my mind.
I'll assume you were repeating something someone else said but next time try a quick internet search before passing it on.
Both missions where Challenger and Columbia were destroyed were launched in January not February.
The launches were 17 not 20 years apart.
They were not launched on the same day. (Challenger launched on Jan 28, 1986, Columbia launched on Jan 16, 2003)
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/archives/sts-51L.html
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/archives/sts-107.html
I think you're forgetting that much of the current deficit is in response to the economic meltdown that started before Obama became president.
However, to clarify, the current projected deficit is $1.6T. The $9T estimate is for 2010-2019. Although the long term estimate is alarming it not likely to be accurate. Could be more, could be less.
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