Yup, Paint was a joke anyway. I think Gnome takes this approach, at least in their Menus. There you find stuff like "Internet Browser", "MusicPlayer", Screensaver, Text Editor and so on. On a lower level all of these programs have their own names but they are hidden from the users view. The main goal is to simplify the first contact with Gnome. Rather than learning that Konqueror is a webbrowser and Outlook Express is an E-Mail client they give away clean, plain english aliasnames in the menus. Thats one reason why my girlfriend had no trouble switching from XP to Slack with Dropline-Gnome.
There is a company named Microsoft, wich is perfectly fine for me, producing a whole range of straight named apps such as - Windows - Outlook - Word - Explorer - and so on...
but if you pick an uncommon, creative name such as Phoenix, Mandrake, or Lindows (yeah, it's not original but it's more of a brandname than a plain word as Windows) you get sued all over the place. What is wrong here? Maybe one should simply name products the easy way: - Desk (a GUI) - Play (a Musicplayer for Linux) - Surf (A Webbrowser) - Paint (A graphical....DuH!)
You can learn more about how the rover works by downloading NASAs Maestro Program. It's a RAM hungry Javaapp that is nicely documented and let's you plan your own mission using their stripped down version of the Uplink-Browser. Give it a shot, it's pretty interesting (well, at least if you got some spare time on your hands to fiddle with it and are into Marsroving at all!).
If only my boss would have realized this before they started to migrate the 500 desktops into their new domain. That would have saved a lot of time and trouble.
and found I'd better clear things up a bit. My point was that in Germany we have had a recent tendency to rush things. There are numoerous examples, the launch of the UMTS-Network debacle (highspeed mobile network), the Transrapid (a magnetic monorail) fiasco in China and, worst of all, the tollcollect (a sattelite based system to charge on traffic) desaster. All of these projects were ambitious and technically challenging and all of them have a long history of failure and mismanagement. I really love this city and I appreciate the brave decision of the city council to try the switch. But I have this fear that they will blow it and Munich will not be known as the "Linux-Capitol" but rather as the "bad example". Keep your fingers crossed that I am wrong!!
btw: here's a link to the english page of muenchen.de.
I am working in Munich for a large publishing house in IT and what I heard (partly, though, from munichs Microsoft workers) the whole project isn't doing well. When I met a MS employee lately he had that evil grin when he said: "If there is one thing that won't bring OpenSource on the Desktop it will be the Munich migration! They [the Munich IT department] are rather incompetent, they are currently even trying to run Winapps inside VmWare, and they don't have the manpower to get the thing flying."
I am not sure how far he really is into the subject but from what I know from living in munich for 20 years now is that the city is cutting back on finances, and that there was more than one project that wasn't really thought through before making the decision. I really, really hope they can handle it, but the latest relaunch of www.muenchen.de, the cities new online-portal, was a catastrophe (a friend of mine worked at the project) and if that's any indication than they might be in trouble...I don't have any inside information, I am just stating what I learned from watching the "Rathaus" through the years as a munich citizen...
The one thing that prevented my friends from seeing Buffy in all it's greatness was that whenever they gave it a try the cast from another season was nearly extinct. They didn't even know who was good or bad at the time beeing. They switched casts really often during the 7 seasons.
But, well, on the other hand I could get a life now that both series are down. I was very close to ending up like me ex secretary who is writing Buffy fanfic in english, although she's german, just like me. I think that's creepy!;-)
What's this windows source you are talking about? I checked over at freshmeat but coulnd't find it. Sounds interesting. Is it a new OS project? Where can I contribute?;-)
I know it has been posted a hundred times before but I am kind of scared what could become of this. This shouldn't have happened and there are so many risks for the OSS-Community that I must believe that this was one of Microsofts tricks. They are smart, and with SCO going down in court this looks like a very logical move to me: Infect the OSS-code and sue them. The problem with Microsoft is that they don't play by the rules. The only way out of this, as lame as it may seem, is to play by the rules. If they ever sue the FSF or whoever I want to be as sure as I am now with SCO that there is NO otherwise copyrighted IP inside OSS source.
What's worse, I would loose all the joy in booting Linux if I wasn't sure it was the collective and legitimate work of all those people I highly respect.
Funny, but wrong: All you need to reach is a critical mass. I bet a good part of Microsofts success is because a lot of people get the computer their local PC-Guru has (in case it get's broken they can call him to fix it.)
That's why it's important that we stop supporting windows in our spare time and get the message over that we WILL help them if they switch to a free OS. See my sig...
okok, this was a "post in progress". While I intended to bash KDE I realized that I only felt like praising GNOME instead since I don't really use KDE anymore. I just didn't change the subject later.;-)
Probably he upgraded Mozilla. I had that very problem with Slackware. A Mozilla update made a new/usr/lib/mozilla-1.6 directory and gone where the symlink. Wasn't a big deal to fix it though.
After I have seen that this got modded up I realized that I forgot one issue:
While you're at it, please, please, fix Nautilus' listview.;-) There is no reason why one can't use the contextmenu in listview and why it is impossible to select files with a lasso. All of this is working in Iconview, so why not in listview? Most people I know use that view and are forced to use the menubar instead the rightclick-menu that everyones used to.
just my expierence from working with gnome on a daily basis, Lispy
Good someone mentions this. The listview of Nautilus is pretty useless. You can't even drop a lasso over files. I was stunned when I first discovered this. I mean, that's what a filemanager is all about: Selecting files and doing stuff with it.
Okok, I don't want to start a flamewar here, but I have come to love Gnome lately and I wouldn't trade it with KDE or, beware, Windows.I am using Dropline Gnome for Slackware Linux and I must say that it not only rocks in daily works but still gives me cheers from people that see it the first time when passing my desktop. It just looks cool a-n-d useable. Gnome is very clear and not overloaded with features. What's more, now that gtk+ 2.2 is stable and had all it's debugcode removed it became much faster. The lazy responsetimes I had expierenced a few months ago are now all gone. The whole Desktop feels very snappy and responsive. Partly due to Kernel 2.6 but still, Gnome really has matured. I only hope they fix the last remaining issues: - a dialup tool comparable to Kppp - a decent CD-Burner (there are some in development, I know...) - a powerful file-dialog (it got fixbroken lately but I hope for a complete overhaul)
Lol! OK, agreed with your BlissX quote. It was just because I had to take down that Xmas-pic and I was really in a hurry. I will try to improve this (along with the content;-) but right now I focus on the bands music and maybe I will bring the homepage in shape if we rock. That one fine day...
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Yup, Paint was a joke anyway.
I think Gnome takes this approach, at least in their Menus. There you find stuff like "Internet Browser", "MusicPlayer", Screensaver, Text Editor and so on. On a lower level all of these programs have their own names but they are hidden from the users view. The main goal is to simplify the first contact with Gnome. Rather than learning that Konqueror is a webbrowser and Outlook Express is an E-Mail client they give away clean, plain english aliasnames in the menus. Thats one reason why my girlfriend had no trouble switching from XP to Slack with Dropline-Gnome.
cu,
Lispy
There is a company named Microsoft, wich is perfectly fine for me, producing a whole range of straight named apps such as
- Windows
- Outlook
- Word
- Explorer
- and so on...
but if you pick an uncommon, creative name such as Phoenix, Mandrake, or Lindows (yeah, it's not original but it's more of a brandname than a plain word as Windows) you get sued all over the place. What is wrong here? Maybe one should simply name products the easy way:
- Desk (a GUI)
- Play (a Musicplayer for Linux)
- Surf (A Webbrowser)
- Paint (A graphical....DuH!)
cu,
Lispy
I think the Wine folks should sue him. Just for the fun of it! ;-)
You can learn more about how the rover works by downloading NASAs Maestro Program. It's a RAM hungry Javaapp that is nicely documented and let's you plan your own mission using their stripped down version of the Uplink-Browser. Give it a shot, it's pretty interesting (well, at least if you got some spare time on your hands to fiddle with it and are into Marsroving at all!).
cu,
Lispy
Sorry, but when exactly did Slackware loose "The distribution with attitude" feeling? We are havin quite some fun over at dropline, thank you! ;-)
Lispy
Even if it would run it couldn't do much harm since it would run with user privileges,only.
Reminds me of long, hot, trippy summernights back in my teens!
Lispy
Actually I must admit I was tempted to post his number here. ;-)
If only my boss would have realized this before they started to migrate the 500 desktops into their new domain. That would have saved a lot of time and trouble.
*sigh*
and found I'd better clear things up a bit.
My point was that in Germany we have had a recent tendency to rush things. There are numoerous examples, the launch of the UMTS-Network debacle (highspeed mobile network), the Transrapid (a magnetic monorail) fiasco in China and, worst of all, the tollcollect (a sattelite based system to charge on traffic) desaster. All of these projects were ambitious and technically challenging and all of them have a long history of failure and mismanagement. I really love this city and I appreciate the brave decision of the city council to try the switch. But I have this fear that they will blow it and Munich will not be known as the "Linux-Capitol" but rather as the "bad example". Keep your fingers crossed that I am wrong!!
btw: here's a link to the english page of muenchen.de.
Good night.
Lispy
I am working in Munich for a large publishing house in IT and what I heard (partly, though, from munichs Microsoft workers) the whole project isn't doing well. When I met a MS employee lately he had that evil grin when he said: "If there is one thing that won't bring OpenSource on the Desktop it will be the Munich migration! They [the Munich IT department] are rather incompetent, they are currently even trying to run Winapps inside VmWare, and they don't have the manpower to get the thing flying."
I am not sure how far he really is into the subject but from what I know from living in munich for 20 years now is that the city is cutting back on finances, and that there was more than one project that wasn't really thought through before making the decision. I really, really hope they can handle it, but the latest relaunch of www.muenchen.de, the cities new online-portal, was a catastrophe (a friend of mine worked at the project) and if that's any indication than they might be in trouble...I don't have any inside information, I am just stating what I learned from watching the "Rathaus" through the years as a munich citizen...
Lispy
The one thing that prevented my friends from seeing Buffy in all it's greatness was that whenever they gave it a try the cast from another season was nearly extinct. They didn't even know who was good or bad at the time beeing. They switched casts really often during the 7 seasons.
;-)
But, well, on the other hand I could get a life now that both series are down. I was very close to ending up like me ex secretary who is writing Buffy fanfic in english, although she's german, just like me. I think that's creepy!
"Sir Cameron Mackintosh will proceed with his plan to replace one half of the musicians in his musical Les Miserables with a computer synthesiser." ;-)
What's this windows source you are talking about? I checked over at freshmeat but coulnd't find it. Sounds interesting. Is it a new OS project? Where can I contribute? ;-)
cu,
Lispy
I know it has been posted a hundred times before but I am kind of scared what could become of this. This shouldn't have happened and there are so many risks for the OSS-Community that I must believe that this was one of Microsofts tricks. They are smart, and with SCO going down in court this looks like a very logical move to me: Infect the OSS-code and sue them. The problem with Microsoft is that they don't play by the rules. The only way out of this, as lame as it may seem, is to play by the rules. If they ever sue the FSF or whoever I want to be as sure as I am now with SCO that there is NO otherwise copyrighted IP inside OSS source.
What's worse, I would loose all the joy in booting Linux if I wasn't sure it was the collective and legitimate work of all those people I highly respect.
So, let's all be careful,
Lispy
Funny, but wrong: All you need to reach is a critical mass. I bet a good part of Microsofts success is because a lot of people get the computer their local PC-Guru has (in case it get's broken they can call him to fix it.)
That's why it's important that we stop supporting windows in our spare time and get the message over that we WILL help them if they switch to a free OS.
See my sig...
cu,
Lispy
okok, this was a "post in progress". While I intended to bash KDE I realized that I only felt like praising GNOME instead since I don't really use KDE anymore. I just didn't change the subject later. ;-)
cu,
Lispy
Probably he upgraded Mozilla. I had that very problem with Slackware. A Mozilla update made a new /usr/lib/mozilla-1.6 directory and gone where the symlink. Wasn't a big deal to fix it though.
cu,
Lispy
After I have seen that this got modded up I realized that I forgot one issue:
;-) There is no reason why one can't use the contextmenu in listview and why it is impossible to select files with a lasso. All of this is working in Iconview, so why not in listview? Most people I know use that view and are forced to use the menubar instead the rightclick-menu that everyones used to.
While you're at it, please, please, fix Nautilus' listview.
just my expierence from working with gnome on a daily basis,
Lispy
Good someone mentions this. The listview of Nautilus is pretty useless. You can't even drop a lasso over files. I was stunned when I first discovered this. I mean, that's what a filemanager is all about: Selecting files and doing stuff with it.
cu,
Lispy
Okok, I don't want to start a flamewar here, but I have come to love Gnome lately and I wouldn't trade it with KDE or, beware, Windows.I am using Dropline Gnome for Slackware Linux and I must say that it not only rocks in daily works but still gives me cheers from people that see it the first time when passing my desktop. It just looks cool a-n-d useable. Gnome is very clear and not overloaded with features. What's more, now that gtk+ 2.2 is stable and had all it's debugcode removed it became much faster. The lazy responsetimes I had expierenced a few months ago are now all gone. The whole Desktop feels very snappy and responsive. Partly due to Kernel 2.6 but still, Gnome really has matured. I only hope they fix the last remaining issues:
- a dialup tool comparable to Kppp
- a decent CD-Burner (there are some in development, I know...)
- a powerful file-dialog (it got fixbroken lately but I hope for a complete overhaul)
cu,
Lispy
Have you tried the "eject" command on the console?
Lol! OK, agreed with your BlissX quote. It was just because I had to take down that Xmas-pic and I was really in a hurry. I will try to improve this (along with the content ;-) but right now I focus on the bands music and maybe I will bring the homepage in shape if we rock. That one fine day...
Ok. This is exactly what I was saying. Except that I said in a more sarcastic way. Nevermind. ;-)
Err...yes, but why does it read / in URLs in the first place? Because DOS was the first OS to serve pages or what? Heh, heh? ;-)