Hence most Firefox users are not safe from this exploit.
You sound like the Dept of Homeland Security, trying to scare us with a terrorist threat. The fact is that it will take time for crackers to make this exploit useful for their nefarious purposes and infect a good number of poorly maintained web sites, and by the time I get around to visiting those web sites, my SUSE distn will have already patched itself a long time ago.
Big company employees just don't see security as their responsibility.
That's because it's not their responsibility! It is the responsibility of the IT department.
workers do risky, even stupid, things at work, such as opening questionable e-mail messages or clicking on unknown Web site links.
I have no fear of opening my emails. I have no fear of clicking on (gasp!) unknown web sites. Any IT department that allows computers where such petty actions are actually threats to security is a pretty damn poor one indeed.
But the truth is propriety software is quite well reviewed
The truth is that some of it is and some of it isn't. And a good number of the "reviews" are done by hacks who are getting paid by the developers for it.
Reading reviews of you're favorite Windows Antivirus software or researching an enterprise class database package will turn up a wealth of infomation... OSS software is comparably a total mess, with only certain major projects
To the contrary. I can type the name of almost any OSS project into Google and get lots of posts by people who have actually used the software. A lack of hits indicates software that's probably not mature.
Or I can just search the software that I have installed on my computer. Suse has no problem picking out thousands of great software packages for me to use.
... support,... supported... maintaining
Support is way over rated. I have never ever gotten good support from any company that produced anything. The only company worth what I've seen them paid was a little 4-5 person Linux consulting/computing biz we contracted. One of the reasons they do so well is that they have the ability to grab and utilize whatever code does the job.
Pokemon is one solid franchise. The shows, the video games, the card games, etc. They're coherent, entertaining, challenging and appropriate for any age. It's hard for me to believe how excited my son and I get over some goofy poorly animated 2D graphics.
We are not 6 years old any more nintendo!!! And 6 year olds do not have money, 24 year olds have money
No, 24 year olds don't have money. 30-50 year olds have money. And we decide which games our 6 year olds buy. We get the ones that are fun and age appropriate. And Pokemon rules.
But the sound card card can not produce multiple sound streams. It has to mix them, either in hardware or software. Yes. That's the whole idea. I want the sound from all my apps to just play, regardless of whatever other apps might be playing or not. They should just work, whether the mixing is done in hardware or software, or whatever.
Have you run video over X? It works fine even over the network, if you have a big enough pipe, but of course, the audio doesn't work.
NAS is nice, except that it is a huge bandwidth hog. So? I've got bandwidth to burn. I just want something that works.
Furthermore, it still does not mix sounds, It plays my sounds simultaneously.
it is not really a sound server, Yes, it is. Network Audio System is a network transparent, client/server audio transport system.
ESD? ARTS? These are the slow sound servers that do software mixing. Mixing good. But I want a fixed standard that _every_ app will use, so everything works, even if I run a kde app while running a gnome deskto. Any app should run while running any other app.
Their whole purpose is to compensate for bad hardware. Their purpose is to mix and present the sound to the user. Who cares if this is done in software or hardware? The result is the same, and mixing sounds is easy. It requires very little effort from a 5 year old CPU.
NAS? It is not even a server. It is just a way to pass pcm data to a/dev/dsp in some other computer. Wrong again. It is a server.
Perhaps you are complaining about SDL audio and OpenAL things. Those are just toolkits designed to do special processing, as well as to provide an API into arbitrary sound system. Most programs that need proper sound processing should use these. These libraries poke around to see what audio interfaces are available, but even if they find one that works, it's no guarantee that I can run another program using the same libraries and be able to play another sound simultaneously.
Audio has very different needs from video. Not really. Video can be displayed independently of different streams, audio can not. It doesn't need to be. Humans can differentiate sound streams. Some video applications do not need realtime performance But some do. This works in X. Hence there is no such thing as a good software sound server, Sure there is, NAS.
Get yourself hardware that works with linux. My complaint is not about hardware. Lots of hardware works great on linux. It is the hodge-podge of software and interfaces that is the problem.
No more issues, both ALSA and OSS interfaces will work. At the same time?
As much as I love and use linux, jwz is right. Sound and audio are a broken mess. Why can't all desktops/distributions/etc use the same damn audio server interface, like they all use X as a video server interface. It drives me nuts!
The point is that people don't need high level audio engineers making their sound systems. They want one that just works. They want a simple standard that takes input from all the programs that want to play a sound and just plays them, regardless of their audio hardware.
Network Audio System (NAS) was around for a while before these other audio projects sprung up. Just as every Linux distribution uses the fully standard X windows as a networked video server, every Linux distribution should have used, from the outset, the existing fully networked audio server, NAS.
How all these Linux distros and desktops got themselves into so many fragmented half baked audio schemes is beyond me.
Because I feel like taking a piss, I am lacking attention span?
I have to agree. Those Lord of the Rings movies were just too much. You couldn't drink your beverage until half way through the show if you wanted a hope of not missing part of the show for a trip to the can. In the old days movies had intermissions. Live shows still do. What happened to those?
Parent post is right. The world is not much more dangerous than 50 years ago. For example, NYC recently had the lowest murder rate in more than a century. People who read/watch news have an extremely skewed view of the world. Your kids are far more likely to die in a car accident than by any other means. If you really care about them, don't put them in a car.
I think Debian has naming problems. People don't want to run a distribution that is "unstable". When you say "unstable", people think MS windows, and, of course, it's nothing like that. Perhaps they should rename them to "Rock-solid" and "Stable".
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Hence most Firefox users are not safe from this exploit.
You sound like the Dept of Homeland Security, trying to scare us with a terrorist threat. The fact is that it will take time for crackers to make this exploit useful for their nefarious purposes and infect a good number of poorly maintained web sites, and by the time I get around to visiting those web sites, my SUSE distn will have already patched itself a long time ago.
Wasn't that the first browser period?
The point of the grandparent post was that MS started giving away their browser before Netscape did in order to crush them.
How do we send these women money?
Your cell phone has 2 200MHz cpus?
I doubt it.
Big company employees just don't see security as their responsibility.
That's because it's not their responsibility! It is the responsibility of the IT department.
workers do risky, even stupid, things at work, such as opening questionable e-mail messages or clicking on unknown Web site links.
I have no fear of opening my emails. I have no fear of clicking on (gasp!) unknown web sites. Any IT department that allows computers where such petty actions are actually threats to security is a pretty damn poor one indeed.
But the truth is propriety software is quite well reviewed
... OSS software is comparably a total mess, with only certain major projects
... support, ... supported ... maintaining
The truth is that some of it is and some of it isn't. And a good number of the "reviews" are done by hacks who are getting paid by the developers for it.
Reading reviews of you're favorite Windows Antivirus software or researching an enterprise class database package will turn up a wealth of infomation
To the contrary. I can type the name of almost any OSS project into Google and get lots of posts by people who have actually used the software. A lack of hits indicates software that's probably not mature.
Or I can just search the software that I have installed on my computer. Suse has no problem picking out thousands of great software packages for me to use.
Support is way over rated. I have never ever gotten good support from any company that produced anything. The only company worth what I've seen them paid was a little 4-5 person Linux consulting/computing biz we contracted. One of the reasons they do so well is that they have the ability to grab and utilize whatever code does the job.
Pokemon is one solid franchise. The shows, the video games, the card games, etc. They're coherent, entertaining, challenging and appropriate for any age. It's hard for me to believe how excited my son and I get over some goofy poorly animated 2D graphics.
We are not 6 years old any more nintendo!!! And 6 year olds do not have money, 24 year olds have money
No, 24 year olds don't have money. 30-50 year olds have money. And we decide which games our 6 year olds buy. We get the ones that are fun and age appropriate. And Pokemon rules.
Ok, this is cool and all, but only really relevant if I can buy one. That would be cool.
But the sound card card can not produce multiple sound streams. It has to mix them, either in hardware or software.
/dev/dsp in some other computer.
Yes. That's the whole idea. I want the sound from all my apps to just play, regardless of whatever other apps might be playing or not. They should just work, whether the mixing is done in hardware or software, or whatever.
Have you run video over X?
It works fine even over the network, if you have a big enough pipe, but of course, the audio doesn't work.
NAS is nice, except that it is a huge bandwidth hog.
So? I've got bandwidth to burn. I just want something that works.
Furthermore, it still does not mix sounds,
It plays my sounds simultaneously.
it is not really a sound server,
Yes, it is. Network Audio System is a network transparent, client/server audio transport system.
ESD? ARTS? These are the slow sound servers that do software mixing.
Mixing good. But I want a fixed standard that _every_ app will use, so everything works, even if I run a kde app while running a gnome deskto. Any app should run while running any other app.
Their whole purpose is to compensate for bad hardware.
Their purpose is to mix and present the sound to the user. Who cares if this is done in software or hardware? The result is the same, and mixing sounds is easy. It requires very little effort from a 5 year old CPU.
NAS? It is not even a server. It is just a way to pass pcm data to a
Wrong again. It is a server.
Perhaps you are complaining about SDL audio and OpenAL things. Those are just toolkits designed to do special processing, as well as to provide an API into arbitrary sound system. Most programs that need proper sound processing should use these.
These libraries poke around to see what audio interfaces are available, but even if they find one that works, it's no guarantee that I can run another program using the same libraries and be able to play another sound simultaneously.
Sure every distro has ALSA, but it also has artsd, esd, OSS, etc, etc, and these do not work with each other causing me lots of headache.
Audio has very different needs from video.
Not really.
Video can be displayed independently of different streams, audio can not.
It doesn't need to be. Humans can differentiate sound streams.
Some video applications do not need realtime performance
But some do. This works in X.
Hence there is no such thing as a good software sound server,
Sure there is, NAS.
Get yourself hardware that works with linux.
My complaint is not about hardware. Lots of hardware works great on linux. It is the hodge-podge of software and interfaces that is the problem.
No more issues, both ALSA and OSS interfaces will work.
At the same time?
other things break
As much as I love and use linux, jwz is right. Sound and audio are a broken mess. Why can't all desktops/distributions/etc use the same damn audio server interface, like they all use X as a video server interface. It drives me nuts!
Fedora Core is just a pile of shit compared to Ubuntu, as there is no easy way to update from, for example, FC3 to FC4.
That's funny, I just updated to FC4 from FC1 without a hitch. It runs great.
I think you don't know what you're talking about.
take out possibly unwanted cruft out of X packages (stuff like xcalc, xterm, etc).
Xterm is great! It just pops right up, unlike kterm or gterm or eterm which require eternal disk grinding before they appear on your screen.
And w3m can display images in xterm! Why would you need any other window of any kind?
Parent post hits it on the head. Why is Google overhyped? Because slashdot posts an article everytime someone there picks his nose.
The point is that people don't need high level audio engineers making their sound systems. They want one that just works. They want a simple standard that takes input from all the programs that want to play a sound and just plays them, regardless of their audio hardware.
Network Audio System (NAS) was around for a while before these other audio projects sprung up. Just as every Linux distribution uses the fully standard X windows as a networked video server, every Linux distribution should have used, from the outset, the existing fully networked audio server, NAS.
How all these Linux distros and desktops got themselves into so many fragmented half baked audio schemes is beyond me.
All you really need is to write essays and the odd report or presentation, and OO.o's software should be "good enough" for that.
That's true. For real documents people use LaTeX. Fortunately that comes preloaded on most Linux distributions too.
If it's really running X and GTK, apps galore already abound. SWEET!
Because I feel like taking a piss, I am lacking attention span?
I have to agree. Those Lord of the Rings movies were just too much. You couldn't drink your beverage until half way through the show if you wanted a hope of not missing part of the show for a trip to the can.
In the old days movies had intermissions. Live shows still do. What happened to those?
The hard drives are the real noise makers on my computer. Especially since there are 4 of them.
Your $100K cluster will require a $40K cooling unit and a $40K UPS on top of the power costs.
Parent post is right. The world is not much more dangerous than 50 years ago. For example, NYC recently had the lowest murder rate in more than a century. People who read/watch news have an extremely skewed view of the world. Your kids are far more likely to die in a car accident than by any other means. If you really care about them, don't put them in a car.
I think Debian has naming problems. People don't want to run a distribution that is "unstable". When you say "unstable", people think MS windows, and, of course, it's nothing like that. Perhaps they should rename them to "Rock-solid" and "Stable".