And the next guy suggests an hour and half hours.
The guy following disagrees, 500ms should be enough, 250ms to split the difference.
I agree in principle that a line should be drawn, but how do you draw an arbitrary line that's fair and agreeable to all?
I don't believe that's possible, hence you can never draw a line at all. YEEEEAH! HENCE!!
The problem is the phone is a thin-client trying to act like a full-blown computer whereas instead it should be utilized for what it is - a thin-client.
Granted, I hear ya, I have a large collection of Steam games myself, but OnLive and more recently Gaikai accomplish some quite dramatic feats.
I hope Valve continues fully embrace "the cloud" and begins to offer similar access to your already purchased games.
When the clients are universal and disposable, maybe you will understand. Focus on the future, not your current limitations. As the great John Lennon once said, "Some may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not..."
"There is no advantage to the end user" Agreed, because data security (backups) and usage control (universal access) only benefit the content providers. I fucking hate Chrome, LastPass, Xmarks, Google Docs, etc. for that very reason. There is no advantage to connecting to 'the cloud'.
RemoteFX launches in the next two months and many third party vendors have multimedia solutions. Of all the issues facing thin clients, multimedia and 3D applications are one of the smallest hurdles - so small, it's basically a non-argument.
"Let me ask a different question: if thin clients are so great, why did we move away from the mainframe model to the networked pc model? And if thin clients are so good, why dont we go all the way and go back to the mainframe model?"
I love this argument. Short answer: Technology.
Why did we leave mainframes? Because we could have a computer at home.
Why don't we all go back? We are, and will. Why? Because of the Internet.
If the Internet (broadband) existed in the mainframe era, we never would have left mainframes.
Queue... argument about how expensive an extra switch is and if you have to have an extra switch then you have to have an extra so and so to prevent this other possible centralized failure and if you're buying two of everything then all of the money and time you were saving centralizing your computers is beyond pointless and shouldn't be considered... ever. Just buy a throw and desktop computer that comes with a Windows license for every user, and be happy about it. Stop thinking, stop trying to change things, just to do and buy as you're told and you won't have to look foolish.
It's simple; at least from my perspective in the US. The US simply does not have the ubiquitous broadband infrastructure to make "cloud" / "vdi" computing practical.
Your elite users most likely have laptops - so even if that have access to great broadband at their home and office, what do you do any where else? You're either at the mercy of the hosts' wifi you're leeching or you're tethering - meaning you have a 5GB/mo allowance.
Sure, a lot of computer have 3G modems built in, but then you still need a pseudo-thick client to boot into so that you can connect to the 3G network - which may vary in quality quite drastically, not mentioning that even at full berth, it's still probably not a very pleasant experience.
By the time you figure out all of the bullshit work-arounds to give a mobile user a halfway bearable and consistent experience, you might have just installed Windows and been done with it.
And yeah, you're probably going to use Windows because the users just have to have MS Office - both because they know it, "everyone uses it", and "it looks pretty"... whereas, you know, Gmail is ugly.
Internally, Active Directory pretty much gives you all the control and manageability you need for a Windows environment without the need to buy and build completely new "virtual" infrastructure - and not just hardware; there's endless licensing bullshit to consider.
Microsoft has spent years carefully crafting their lock-in strategy to secure the market. Unless you're moving to their cloud, you've got a lot of retraining and compatibility issues to consider. And why even start thinking about possible problems when we still don't have the necessary internetwork to support such a paradigm in the first place.
Cloud computing and virtualization may very well be the future of computing, but we're still in the alpha phase, and unless you have the money to afford the best of the worst cloud/vdi resources available, why does it even matter? And considering the economy, it should be no surprise little to no one is scrambling to adopt.
"Crystal meth is a good example. There isn't a safe way to use meth, so it probably isn't a good idea to allow it to be distributed legally."
"Methamphetamine has been approved by the FDA for use by children and adults under the trademark name Desoxyn."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine
Just another case of double standards due to ignorance. The same problem with consumers of alcohol who oppose marijuana legalization. I wonder if "freedom" was as gray-area to the founding fathers.
Slashdot Mirror
Meh, looks like it's irrelevant - the trade tax scenarios above seem to address the problem adequately.
And the next guy suggests an hour and half hours. The guy following disagrees, 500ms should be enough, 250ms to split the difference. I agree in principle that a line should be drawn, but how do you draw an arbitrary line that's fair and agreeable to all? I don't believe that's possible, hence you can never draw a line at all. YEEEEAH! HENCE!!
The problem is the phone is a thin-client trying to act like a full-blown computer whereas instead it should be utilized for what it is - a thin-client.
Is there anyone that didn't get their emails back?
Is there any two year contract that doesn't involve the shoving of its?
Sad, the device fails to completely fulfill it's role as a replacement when "he needs to download a file". All I'm saying is "of all things..."
Granted, I hear ya, I have a large collection of Steam games myself, but OnLive and more recently Gaikai accomplish some quite dramatic feats. I hope Valve continues fully embrace "the cloud" and begins to offer similar access to your already purchased games.
fuck me someone get this guy a nobel peace prize
Amen, I'm glad someone has a memory.
Say it all: http://www.google.com/insights/search/#geo=US&date=1%2F2010%2012m&cmpt=q
Yes, if you want mass penetration. No, if you're trying to create an elite super-class.
Don't need more like can't have!
Now I understand why that bitter old bitch got a CR-48 and I was left high and dry!
When the clients are universal and disposable, maybe you will understand. Focus on the future, not your current limitations. As the great John Lennon once said, "Some may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not..."
"There is no advantage to the end user" Agreed, because data security (backups) and usage control (universal access) only benefit the content providers. I fucking hate Chrome, LastPass, Xmarks, Google Docs, etc. for that very reason. There is no advantage to connecting to 'the cloud'.
RemoteFX launches in the next two months and many third party vendors have multimedia solutions. Of all the issues facing thin clients, multimedia and 3D applications are one of the smallest hurdles - so small, it's basically a non-argument.
"Let me ask a different question: if thin clients are so great, why did we move away from the mainframe model to the networked pc model? And if thin clients are so good, why dont we go all the way and go back to the mainframe model?" I love this argument. Short answer: Technology. Why did we leave mainframes? Because we could have a computer at home. Why don't we all go back? We are, and will. Why? Because of the Internet. If the Internet (broadband) existed in the mainframe era, we never would have left mainframes.
Queue... argument about how expensive an extra switch is and if you have to have an extra switch then you have to have an extra so and so to prevent this other possible centralized failure and if you're buying two of everything then all of the money and time you were saving centralizing your computers is beyond pointless and shouldn't be considered... ever. Just buy a throw and desktop computer that comes with a Windows license for every user, and be happy about it. Stop thinking, stop trying to change things, just to do and buy as you're told and you won't have to look foolish.
It's simple; at least from my perspective in the US. The US simply does not have the ubiquitous broadband infrastructure to make "cloud" / "vdi" computing practical. Your elite users most likely have laptops - so even if that have access to great broadband at their home and office, what do you do any where else? You're either at the mercy of the hosts' wifi you're leeching or you're tethering - meaning you have a 5GB/mo allowance. Sure, a lot of computer have 3G modems built in, but then you still need a pseudo-thick client to boot into so that you can connect to the 3G network - which may vary in quality quite drastically, not mentioning that even at full berth, it's still probably not a very pleasant experience. By the time you figure out all of the bullshit work-arounds to give a mobile user a halfway bearable and consistent experience, you might have just installed Windows and been done with it. And yeah, you're probably going to use Windows because the users just have to have MS Office - both because they know it, "everyone uses it", and "it looks pretty"... whereas, you know, Gmail is ugly. Internally, Active Directory pretty much gives you all the control and manageability you need for a Windows environment without the need to buy and build completely new "virtual" infrastructure - and not just hardware; there's endless licensing bullshit to consider. Microsoft has spent years carefully crafting their lock-in strategy to secure the market. Unless you're moving to their cloud, you've got a lot of retraining and compatibility issues to consider. And why even start thinking about possible problems when we still don't have the necessary internetwork to support such a paradigm in the first place. Cloud computing and virtualization may very well be the future of computing, but we're still in the alpha phase, and unless you have the money to afford the best of the worst cloud/vdi resources available, why does it even matter? And considering the economy, it should be no surprise little to no one is scrambling to adopt.
Try to stop me, cocksuckers!
http://i.imgur.com/iyOKY.png
What percentage of slashdot news posts are ignored? Comments? Sounds like the infamous 71/29 rule.
"Crystal meth is a good example. There isn't a safe way to use meth, so it probably isn't a good idea to allow it to be distributed legally." "Methamphetamine has been approved by the FDA for use by children and adults under the trademark name Desoxyn." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine Just another case of double standards due to ignorance. The same problem with consumers of alcohol who oppose marijuana legalization. I wonder if "freedom" was as gray-area to the founding fathers.
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eat shit beggar. fucking piece of shit.