These machines would appear (based upon the information released thus far) to represent the most significant leap forward in desktop processing power and (to me, most notably) I/O performance that's within the reach of consumers. Try finding a dual-CPU Itanium system for home, and even if you can, at what price?
No, I'm glad to see these systems priced this low. Apple is first out the chute with a 64-bit desktop offering and it's kinda surprising that they're not trying to milk it more for a few months.
I for one am starting to put some money aside now so I can buy one when Panther is included in the system at years' end. Gotta replace the 8500, and this seems like a moderate upgrade.;-)
- Leo
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I haven't read anything thus far to indicate that the 32-bit systems are doing to go away immediately upon introduction of the G5-based systems. $2K for an entry-level 64-bit system isn't "out there" at all in my book. It will look pretty damned fast compared to many dual 32-bit systems, methinks.
And I'm pretty shocked at $3K for the dual-cpu unit -- that's going to be one incredibly fast machine. I don't need it but I absolutely must have it (my Mac is a 8500 upgraded to within an inch of its life... a Pinto with a V8 stuffed in there).
I personally use McAfee VirusScan, which I'm very pleased with.
Funny how we all have different experiences. I had McAfee products (both Anti-Virus and their un-installer) break my Win2k installation quite badly. Cheesy "boing" noises that I can't get to stop, strange (for me, anyway) menus. With Norton I just install it and forget it until it's time to pay 'em for another year of subscription.
I don't open spam or untrusted apps, so I haven't gotten a virus in ages. But I'll keep Norton on there just the same. Maybe it's time to give McAfee a spin again, but it'll be after a full backup.
Actually, it's time to implement a server-side AV solution, but time with the kiddos prevents non-essential changes to the compute environment (under threat of bodily harm from the SO).
The ads were really well done; there was a poster up at the BART station (SF bay area rapid transit) with the caption "The alien visitors... our friends" but later a new poster went up with a "V" appearing to have been spraypainted over the top. It was good foreshadowing of what was to happen in the storyline.
I loved the show, although making the scientists the persecuted equivalent of the Jews in the story and the aliens the Nazis was WAY overdone. I kept feeling like saying "I get it, enough already, I GET IT!"
But wow... sci-fi coming to prime time again. I hope they do more of it (and do it well).
Here at my company, we bought a lot of Linux-based x86 boxen to do our serious work. We use EDA tools from Synopsys, and they are *much* faster on these machines than on Sun. Even when you equalize the MHz, they're still faster. And we were able to buy a rack of 1U systems for what it would have cost to buy one or two (I am completely serious here) 750MHz UltraSPARC III systems. We would have been insane to buy the Sun systems.
With that said, the original poster that got us started on this was right -- the memory subsystems are the killer part of the Sun systems. A 2-CPU x86 system (PIII era) sucks when compared against a multi-CPU Sun running two of its processors when memory-intensive computation is going on (same task, same tool versions). We looked at this VERY carefully, and dual processor x86 systems were ruled out due to the simplistic memory architecture of the x86 machines. This is of course changing, and is already worth looking at again. But my money is on the Sun boxes even today for multiprocessing.
But for single-CPU applications, MHz is king for the chip synthesis/static timing/simulation tasks we need to do. Larger cache sizes help some apps, and scarcely matter at all for other apps.
Oh yeah, no hardware failures in any of our 40+ x86 boxen, but for awhile there we were replacing CPUs on our 4500s like inkjet cartridges on a low-end printer. Unbelievable.
Am I the only person disturbed by the idea that people will go to the moon and strip mine with abandon, and destroy its beauty from the perspective of people on Earth?
Don't you worry about that; we're not finished spoiling this planet just yet.
We're using a set of tools from Synchronicity called DesignSync/ProjectSync that have revision control, collaboration and problem tracking integrated together. It's aimed primarily at chip development companies, but some of the features are pretty cool. They use an Apache webserver to interface to both a commercial version of RCS (called RCE, IIRC) as well as a database for the problem tracking/collaboration system.
One of the features we like is that revision control operations create entries in a "revision control note" (in ProjectSync, the collaboration/problem tracking portion of the tool) which can be queried just like any of the other note types. It's much more flexible and useful than just having the ability to query a file for its revision history.
Also, we can attach links to specific file versions in the vault to a problem report that's being closed; this has been very helpful in maintaining project history. Everything in the vault has a URL, which is a great way to reference the data.
I mention this only as by way of the features we've found useful, not by any means a suggestion to use this for software development.
I shot off a short reply (still long-winded, as I am prone to do) to say that Linux on the desktop is good enough (including available applications) to justify getting rid of the monopolist's operating system from my computer. I'm serious; Win2K runs *fine* for me but I rarely use the system it's on. My laptop runs Mandrake 8.2 + Ximian, and I couldn't be happier. Well, not much, anyway. It's certainly good enough to allow me to spend my hard-earned money on free alternatives instead.
It was his decision to overlook/ignore this, but I cannot and will not.
That's just a conversion to US dollars for the price to be charged in Japan. The Japanese *love* these sorts of gadgets (apologies for the broad brush stroke there), and products sell for a premium when first released there. It will almost certainly sell for less when it hits the store shelves in the U.S.
Get the Silverado CPU cooler; it has the most amazingly low sound level, bar none. There are a couple of articles on coolers at Tom's Hardware that you can check out; this link is the table of sound levels from one of the articles.
I believe you can find this cooler at OCPrices (the site in the original link for this article) once they're no longer slashdotted.
But if you aren't completely clueless (like the guys at the FTC apparently are), you should be using a web browser that doesn't allow that sort of thing to happen.
That's a bit of an elitist position... my family and circle of friends are mostly well-educated and intelligent, but that doesn't mean they understand the choices they have in browser selection or options. John Q. Public needs to be watched out for a bit more than those of us who do know better.
But I'm afraid I rather agree that this is a threat... I don't necessarily believe that this guy is guilty of anything more than bilking the advertisers out of money, but it's also the advertisers fault for having such a stupid mechanism for deciding who to pay. Remove that and he'd be out of business in a heartbeat. That's how I'd prefer to see this sort of activity reigned in.
I wrote a 3000 line perl program at my last company to provide a "floorplanning language" for chip place about a year ago (1.5 years after I left the company) I was told the program was alive and well and had been extensively added on to with few changes to the underlying data structures or processing routines. My old boss said my coding style and comments were the key to their ability to continue to use the code.
I was pretty damned pleased to hear that!
Bottom line, don't get fancy with the coding; it rarely saves execution time to use side effects or multiple operations per line, but sure makes it hard to figure out after the fact (even for the author).
Users who joined at $60 per month did so under the explicit statement that "all members enjoy the same benefits". Now that's been changed to include the word "almost". If Mandrake chooses to make this change, I hope that they keep existing users who joined prior to the rule change with the same benefits.
The club is a reasonable idea to attempt to increase revenue at a time they really need it and to simultaneously provide something unique and useful to their enthusiast user base. I can understand this change, but it needs to be communicated clearly to existing members. I hope it won't affect those members who already joined at the lowest rate.
I joined the Mandrake club at the Silver level and I also purchased the discounted ProSuite (which I would not normally have done) in order to support Mandrake. The users who joined at the standard level deserve to receive what they were promised, plain and simple. It's just a matter of principle.
Okay, so being an owner of a 45GB 60GXP in my Win2k setup, I'm sufficiently concerned. I have full backups, but I've already seen what Win2k can do when it thinks the drive isn't the one it used to be. I don't want to purchase a new non-IBM drive just to find out that I can't successfully restore my backup set to it.
Is there any info out there about doing this, or would I be better off just doing the full re-install?
C'mon... unless they're marking the price up 10x in the U.K. compared to U.S. prices, I can't believe you can't scrape up the equivalent of $29 to buy a boxed set to support the company when you can afford a broadband connection. That's pathetic.
At my company, they went through a total cleanup of the server room and they installed power strips with LED ammeters built in. They are KILLER, and they give surprising readings. Nameplate (rated) power levels are very unreliable, and these strips did a great job of allowing them to quantify on a continuous basis how much power is being drawn through each breaker.
They're pricey (something like $300 apiece) but the sysadmins all thought they had paid form themselves easily in the first couple of months.
My SMC wireless network manages to allow a 20' distance before it craps out. I'd like to see my neighbors sneaking up to stand outside the window of my living room to get a signal.
"Honest, officer; I was just trying to leach some bandwidth!"
When people install solar system on their rooftops, they usually have the option to use time-of-use metering. With this, they get paid (on sunny days) or pay back to the utility (cloudy days or when too many systems powered up:-) at a higher rate during peak use hours than off-peak hours. I'd like to see a system that works this way; if I want to download those three Mandrake ISOs at 8pm local time, I do so knowing it will cost me more or uses up my bandwidth allotment at a faster rate.
I know, that's not a perfect plan since bandwidth is not at all limited to our local area, but it ought to help a lot with the load balancing on the broadband infrastructure.
There could also be a cellular phone style plan, where you pay for your anytime/night & weekend minutes according to your expected usage, then pay per megabyte above that amount. Pay different rates for peak vs. off-peak as an added incentive to balance the load.
I prefer the first plan, as it would tend to better utilize the available bandwidth as we set up our ISO downloads for 3am.:-)
Don't you have the feeling that this will give an argument to Microsoft, towards "Your Honor, there *is* competition in OS and apps business..."?
Not according to Microsoft. They themselves defined what is a viable business and few Linux (or Linux-based companies) meet their criteria. Unless they wish to talk out of both sides of their mouth... nah, they'd never do that.
You can configure your web server to listen on a different port. Use your members.home.com webspace (or whatever you have) to host a page that redirects to your IP address/port combo. Then use a redirection service like MyDomain to do URL pointing to your webspace. Viola! You're back up and running.
It's not as clean as having DNS point to your IP address, but it's the only workaround I've found for the port 80 blocking.
Drivers/receivers which are hardened against static (the major semi manufacturers who do such chips do now make some - but they tend to cost more
Without some ESD protection, every integrated circuit would be damaged by ESD during the manufacturing, test or assembly process. Typical standards for ICs require that a device withstand a zap of 2000 volts through a single data pin the power or ground planes of a device (aka "human body model"). Zaps applied to a power/ground pin on one power plane must also not damage anything.
There are special protections circuits used to achieve this. In the past, a simple back-to-back diode arrangement from the data pin to power and ground was sufficient. But specialty input/output types and mixed voltages (think of 3.3V PCI I/O on a 5V PCI system, which is part of the PCI spec, or a hot-plug SCSI bus) changed all that. The 2000 volt spec has not changed, however. So semiconductor manufacturers must be very diligent and test the heck out of their devices to be sure they are production-worthy.
As a note, one chip that a previous company I worked for had built had a major ESD issue and could be damaged by a 200 volt zap. They had to institute very, very special handling procedures to avoid damaging devices during testing. 200 volts happens *very* easily in testing -- the old tubes used to hold DIP parts could allow a device to build up that kind of charge while sliding them into a metal chip handler for testing. Yes, even anti-static tubes and bags only afford protection to a certain level.
As for the Palm cradles, it's difficult to say how to control an ESD zap from getting to the mobo in some way or another; the charge has to go somewhere and the cradle isn't grounded so that's not an option for a discharge path. But SCSI drives such as SCA in a hot-plug environment must deal with potentially zapping the backplane (and hence the motherboard), so I assume there are ways to mitigate this at the system level as well.
Just the other day I found a site through Pricewatch that purported to be selling Nanya PC2100 DDR memory with CAS latency of 2 for CHEAP (like $60 for 256MB). It's hard to believe, so maybe it's not legit... but I did a little searching on Nanya, and an article I found indicated that they want to have some double-digit percentage of the DDR market going forward.
Does this suggest low-end or high-end? Dunno... but thought I'd mention it.
I own an Olympus D340-R, and I chose it for the following reasons:
Form factor -- about the same size/shape as a point 'n' shoot from a couple of years ago
Good low light performance
Reasonably fast (don't have to hold camera perfectly still)
Good battery life
I take lots of pictures of my daughter with it, and it's fantastic getting them up on our family website right away.
The only downside found so far is that the camera doesn't pass the drop test. It hit our hardwood floor last week and was broken both mechanically and electrically. But Olympus fixes the camera for a flat $106 rate, so I'm pretty pleased about that.
For $299 retail and a bit less than that from camera stores in NY, it's a great film camera replacement. Pictures printed onto real film at Eframes looked excellent up to 4x6. I only use the 1280x960 mode, so even 5x7 looks pretty good
These machines would appear (based upon the information released thus far) to represent the most significant leap forward in desktop processing power and (to me, most notably) I/O performance that's within the reach of consumers. Try finding a dual-CPU Itanium system for home, and even if you can, at what price?
;-)
No, I'm glad to see these systems priced this low. Apple is first out the chute with a 64-bit desktop offering and it's kinda surprising that they're not trying to milk it more for a few months.
I for one am starting to put some money aside now so I can buy one when Panther is included in the system at years' end. Gotta replace the 8500, and this seems like a moderate upgrade.
- Leo
I haven't read anything thus far to indicate that the 32-bit systems are doing to go away immediately upon introduction of the G5-based systems. $2K for an entry-level 64-bit system isn't "out there" at all in my book. It will look pretty damned fast compared to many dual 32-bit systems, methinks.
And I'm pretty shocked at $3K for the dual-cpu unit -- that's going to be one incredibly fast machine. I don't need it but I absolutely must have it (my Mac is a 8500 upgraded to within an inch of its life... a Pinto with a V8 stuffed in there).
- Leo
I personally use McAfee VirusScan, which I'm very pleased with.
Funny how we all have different experiences. I had McAfee products (both Anti-Virus and their un-installer) break my Win2k installation quite badly. Cheesy "boing" noises that I can't get to stop, strange (for me, anyway) menus. With Norton I just install it and forget it until it's time to pay 'em for another year of subscription.
I don't open spam or untrusted apps, so I haven't gotten a virus in ages. But I'll keep Norton on there just the same. Maybe it's time to give McAfee a spin again, but it'll be after a full backup.
Actually, it's time to implement a server-side AV solution, but time with the kiddos prevents non-essential changes to the compute environment (under threat of bodily harm from the SO).
- Leo
The ads were really well done; there was a poster up at the BART station (SF bay area rapid transit) with the caption "The alien visitors... our friends" but later a new poster went up with a "V" appearing to have been spraypainted over the top. It was good foreshadowing of what was to happen in the storyline.
I loved the show, although making the scientists the persecuted equivalent of the Jews in the story and the aliens the Nazis was WAY overdone. I kept feeling like saying "I get it, enough already, I GET IT!"
But wow... sci-fi coming to prime time again. I hope they do more of it (and do it well).
- Leo
Here at my company, we bought a lot of Linux-based x86 boxen to do our serious work. We use EDA tools from Synopsys, and they are *much* faster on these machines than on Sun. Even when you equalize the MHz, they're still faster. And we were able to buy a rack of 1U systems for what it would have cost to buy one or two (I am completely serious here) 750MHz UltraSPARC III systems. We would have been insane to buy the Sun systems.
With that said, the original poster that got us started on this was right -- the memory subsystems are the killer part of the Sun systems. A 2-CPU x86 system (PIII era) sucks when compared against a multi-CPU Sun running two of its processors when memory-intensive computation is going on (same task, same tool versions). We looked at this VERY carefully, and dual processor x86 systems were ruled out due to the simplistic memory architecture of the x86 machines. This is of course changing, and is already worth looking at again. But my money is on the Sun boxes even today for multiprocessing.
But for single-CPU applications, MHz is king for the chip synthesis/static timing/simulation tasks we need to do. Larger cache sizes help some apps, and scarcely matter at all for other apps.
Oh yeah, no hardware failures in any of our 40+ x86 boxen, but for awhile there we were replacing CPUs on our 4500s like inkjet cartridges on a low-end printer. Unbelievable.
- Leo
Don't you worry about that; we're not finished spoiling this planet just yet.
- LeoWe're using a set of tools from Synchronicity called DesignSync/ProjectSync that have revision control, collaboration and problem tracking integrated together. It's aimed primarily at chip development companies, but some of the features are pretty cool. They use an Apache webserver to interface to both a commercial version of RCS (called RCE, IIRC) as well as a database for the problem tracking/collaboration system.
One of the features we like is that revision control operations create entries in a "revision control note" (in ProjectSync, the collaboration/problem tracking portion of the tool) which can be queried just like any of the other note types. It's much more flexible and useful than just having the ability to query a file for its revision history.
Also, we can attach links to specific file versions in the vault to a problem report that's being closed; this has been very helpful in maintaining project history. Everything in the vault has a URL, which is a great way to reference the data.
I mention this only as by way of the features we've found useful, not by any means a suggestion to use this for software development.
- Leo
I shot off a short reply (still long-winded, as I am prone to do) to say that Linux on the desktop is good enough (including available applications) to justify getting rid of the monopolist's operating system from my computer. I'm serious; Win2K runs *fine* for me but I rarely use the system it's on. My laptop runs Mandrake 8.2 + Ximian, and I couldn't be happier. Well, not much, anyway. It's certainly good enough to allow me to spend my hard-earned money on free alternatives instead.
It was his decision to overlook/ignore this, but I cannot and will not.
- Leo
That's just a conversion to US dollars for the price to be charged in Japan. The Japanese *love* these sorts of gadgets (apologies for the broad brush stroke there), and products sell for a premium when first released there. It will almost certainly sell for less when it hits the store shelves in the U.S.
- LeoGet the Silverado CPU cooler; it has the most amazingly low sound level, bar none. There are a couple of articles on coolers at Tom's Hardware that you can check out; this link is the table of sound levels from one of the articles.
I believe you can find this cooler at OCPrices (the site in the original link for this article) once they're no longer slashdotted.
Good luck!
- Leo
But if you aren't completely clueless (like the guys at the FTC apparently are), you should be using a web browser that doesn't allow that sort of thing to happen.
That's a bit of an elitist position... my family and circle of friends are mostly well-educated and intelligent, but that doesn't mean they understand the choices they have in browser selection or options. John Q. Public needs to be watched out for a bit more than those of us who do know better.
But I'm afraid I rather agree that this is a threat... I don't necessarily believe that this guy is guilty of anything more than bilking the advertisers out of money, but it's also the advertisers fault for having such a stupid mechanism for deciding who to pay. Remove that and he'd be out of business in a heartbeat. That's how I'd prefer to see this sort of activity reigned in.
- Leo
I wrote a 3000 line perl program at my last company to provide a "floorplanning language" for chip place about a year ago (1.5 years after I left the company) I was told the program was alive and well and had been extensively added on to with few changes to the underlying data structures or processing routines. My old boss said my coding style and comments were the key to their ability to continue to use the code.
I was pretty damned pleased to hear that!
Bottom line, don't get fancy with the coding; it rarely saves execution time to use side effects or multiple operations per line, but sure makes it hard to figure out after the fact (even for the author).
- Leo
I've used some of Matt's code on my personal site, and never thought to ask the question "Gee, are these things just an exploit waiting to happen?"
I don't have much traffic, but that's certainly not the point. I really appreciate knowing about the exitence of nms.
- Leo
Users who joined at $60 per month did so under the explicit statement that "all members enjoy the same benefits". Now that's been changed to include the word "almost". If Mandrake chooses to make this change, I hope that they keep existing users who joined prior to the rule change with the same benefits.
The club is a reasonable idea to attempt to increase revenue at a time they really need it and to simultaneously provide something unique and useful to their enthusiast user base. I can understand this change, but it needs to be communicated clearly to existing members. I hope it won't affect those members who already joined at the lowest rate.
I joined the Mandrake club at the Silver level and I also purchased the discounted ProSuite (which I would not normally have done) in order to support Mandrake. The users who joined at the standard level deserve to receive what they were promised, plain and simple. It's just a matter of principle.
- Leo
Okay, so being an owner of a 45GB 60GXP in my Win2k setup, I'm sufficiently concerned. I have full backups, but I've already seen what Win2k can do when it thinks the drive isn't the one it used to be. I don't want to purchase a new non-IBM drive just to find out that I can't successfully restore my backup set to it.
Is there any info out there about doing this, or would I be better off just doing the full re-install?
Thanks,
- Leo
Wow, I hadn't seen anything online about that. Sounds cool. er, I mean hot, like you said.
C'mon... unless they're marking the price up 10x in the U.K. compared to U.S. prices, I can't believe you can't scrape up the equivalent of $29 to buy a boxed set to support the company when you can afford a broadband connection. That's pathetic.
At my company, they went through a total cleanup of the server room and they installed power strips with LED ammeters built in. They are KILLER, and they give surprising readings. Nameplate (rated) power levels are very unreliable, and these strips did a great job of allowing them to quantify on a continuous basis how much power is being drawn through each breaker.
They're pricey (something like $300 apiece) but the sysadmins all thought they had paid form themselves easily in the first couple of months.
- Leo
My SMC wireless network manages to allow a 20' distance before it craps out. I'd like to see my neighbors sneaking up to stand outside the window of my living room to get a signal.
"Honest, officer; I was just trying to leach some bandwidth!"
- Leo
When people install solar system on their rooftops, they usually have the option to use time-of-use metering. With this, they get paid (on sunny days) or pay back to the utility (cloudy days or when too many systems powered up :-) at a higher rate during peak use hours than off-peak hours. I'd like to see a system that works this way; if I want to download those three Mandrake ISOs at 8pm local time, I do so knowing it will cost me more or uses up my bandwidth allotment at a faster rate.
:-)
I know, that's not a perfect plan since bandwidth is not at all limited to our local area, but it ought to help a lot with the load balancing on the broadband infrastructure.
There could also be a cellular phone style plan, where you pay for your anytime/night & weekend minutes according to your expected usage, then pay per megabyte above that amount. Pay different rates for peak vs. off-peak as an added incentive to balance the load.
I prefer the first plan, as it would tend to better utilize the available bandwidth as we set up our ISO downloads for 3am.
- Leo
Don't you have the feeling that this will give an argument to Microsoft, towards "Your Honor, there *is* competition in OS and apps business..."?
Not according to Microsoft. They themselves defined what is a viable business and few Linux (or Linux-based companies) meet their criteria. Unless they wish to talk out of both sides of their mouth... nah, they'd never do that.
You can configure your web server to listen on a different port. Use your members.home.com webspace (or whatever you have) to host a page that redirects to your IP address/port combo. Then use a redirection service like MyDomain to do URL pointing to your webspace. Viola! You're back up and running.
It's not as clean as having DNS point to your IP address, but it's the only workaround I've found for the port 80 blocking.
- Leo
Without some ESD protection, every integrated circuit would be damaged by ESD during the manufacturing, test or assembly process. Typical standards for ICs require that a device withstand a zap of 2000 volts through a single data pin the power or ground planes of a device (aka "human body model"). Zaps applied to a power/ground pin on one power plane must also not damage anything.
There are special protections circuits used to achieve this. In the past, a simple back-to-back diode arrangement from the data pin to power and ground was sufficient. But specialty input/output types and mixed voltages (think of 3.3V PCI I/O on a 5V PCI system, which is part of the PCI spec, or a hot-plug SCSI bus) changed all that. The 2000 volt spec has not changed, however. So semiconductor manufacturers must be very diligent and test the heck out of their devices to be sure they are production-worthy.
As a note, one chip that a previous company I worked for had built had a major ESD issue and could be damaged by a 200 volt zap. They had to institute very, very special handling procedures to avoid damaging devices during testing. 200 volts happens *very* easily in testing -- the old tubes used to hold DIP parts could allow a device to build up that kind of charge while sliding them into a metal chip handler for testing. Yes, even anti-static tubes and bags only afford protection to a certain level.
As for the Palm cradles, it's difficult to say how to control an ESD zap from getting to the mobo in some way or another; the charge has to go somewhere and the cradle isn't grounded so that's not an option for a discharge path. But SCSI drives such as SCA in a hot-plug environment must deal with potentially zapping the backplane (and hence the motherboard), so I assume there are ways to mitigate this at the system level as well.
- Leo
Just the other day I found a site through Pricewatch that purported to be selling Nanya PC2100 DDR memory with CAS latency of 2 for CHEAP (like $60 for 256MB). It's hard to believe, so maybe it's not legit... but I did a little searching on Nanya, and an article I found indicated that they want to have some double-digit percentage of the DDR market going forward.
Does this suggest low-end or high-end? Dunno... but thought I'd mention it.
- Leomania
I own an Olympus D340-R, and I chose it for the following reasons:
I take lots of pictures of my daughter with it, and it's fantastic getting them up on our family website right away.
The only downside found so far is that the camera doesn't pass the drop test. It hit our hardwood floor last week and was broken both mechanically and electrically. But Olympus fixes the camera for a flat $106 rate, so I'm pretty pleased about that.
For $299 retail and a bit less than that from camera stores in NY, it's a great film camera replacement. Pictures printed onto real film at Eframes looked excellent up to 4x6. I only use the 1280x960 mode, so even 5x7 looks pretty good
- Leomania