Evolution is Science! Science is always true!
Science is better than Religion because it can be questioned
(Someone cites a centuries-old fairy tale written by humans as scientific "proof".)
DON'T DO THAT!!! YOU'RE A BIGOT BACKWARDS HILLBILLY IGNORANT FOOL WHO BELIEVES IN MAGIC!
I fixed your typo. For what it was worth, you were mostly correct.
My work experience now is somewhat different. For being with a company where I directly support stock market traders, the atmosphere is entirely laid back. I'm salaried, but if I work more than eight hours a day (which is usually out of personal interest in what I'm doing) I typically have my boss or someone nagging me to go home. I actually spend some time working on an urgent issue over a weekend a couple weeks ago of my own volition, and when I told my boss that Monday, he became really concerned that I had to put in some extra time (i.e. what broke and is it still broke), and then told me to feel free to take off however much I needed to make it back up to myself. I found out later I got put in for some "above and beyond" recognition thing for giving enough of a damn to make sure that stuff isn't falling apart around me.
We all talk doom and gloom, but at the end of the day, it's really not completely impossible to find a company that will actually hesitate before immediately and always treating their workers like shit. Of course, having that been said, I've had completely opposite experiences at other (and much shorter lived) jobs.
But I'm pretty sure that when I lived in crapsack podunk land as a teenager, I had stood for 12 hours in a single shift working at the shithole state fair cleaning barns for not much more than minimum wage.
Not just an engineer. An Apple engineer. I think this proves more points about Apple than most Apple people are (or rather, should be) comfortable with.
We have no evidence that was _observed_ two million years ago. We have observations from a few decades, and all else is extrapolation.
You say that, but that same argument reducto ad absurdum: We have no evidence that everyone dies when they swallow the output end of a shotgun. We have observations from a few decades, but all else is extrapolation. I believe you won't, because you've never done it before.
Not that I necessarily want you to die, but the above makes my point.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117951/quotes
Gavin: Tommy knew he'd caught the virus, but he never knew he'd gone full-blown.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: What was it, pneumonia or cancer?
Gavin: No, toxoplasmosis. Sort of like a stroke.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: Eh? How's that?
Gavin: He wanted to see Lizzy again. Lizzy wouldn't let him near the house. So he bought a present for her, bought her a kitten.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: But Lizzy told him where to fucking stick it.
Gavin: Exactly. "l'm not wantin' that cat," she says. "Get the fuck," right? So there's Tommy stuck with this kitten. You can imagine what happened. The thing was neglected... pissing and shitting all over the place. Tommy's lying about fucked out of his eyeballs... on smack or downers. He never knew you could get toxoplasmosis from cat shit.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: Neither did l. What is it?
Gavin: Fucking horrible. It's like an abscess on your brain.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: Fucking hell. Then what happened?
Gavin: He starts getting these headaches. So he just uses more smack, you know, for the pain. And then he has a stroke. A fucking stroke, just like that. Gets home from the hospital and dies three weeks later. He'd been dead for ages before the neighbors complained about the smell and got the police to break down the door. Tommy was lying facedown in a pool of vomit.
[long pause]
Gavin: The kitten was fine.
There, proof that Tommy died in Trainspotting from Toxoplasmosis
Nonsense. I liked Roemer quite a bit from what little I heard from him, and he was a viable candidate. The problem was that the media buried him because he was a little too strong on getting the money out of Washington. That appeals to a lot of people; most of them you might have noticed out of your window last fall. His biggest mistake was that, other than trying to ride on the Republican ticket, getting rid of "special interests" doesn't appeal to a lot of entities with money.
I don't require a candidate to appeal strongly to one particular subculture. I require them to not be actively fucking working against it at every possible moment. There's my blind idealism right there.
And as far as the insults go, if anything, I must say that they detracting from your argument. Aside from just making you sound like a self-righteous inarticulate prick, if you think insults are a necessary element in getting people to believe and understand your point then you've given me one more reason to not want to be like you.
Huh. Again with the insults. So you're suggesting that the ideal is impossible and to vote for what's basically a 'lesser evil', because you're never going to be fully happy with any one candidate, but at least you can vote against the other guy, and this guy at least supports/doesn't support gay marriage/guns for everyone/guns for no one/taxing the middle class/taxing the rich (-er part of the middle class)/abortion/waving miniature American flags. I'm surprised people as a whole haven't tried that before. Oh, wait a second...
I mean, the old ways just don't work. It would be one thing if Candidate A just lied to me about what he's doing. I can't keep up with Candidate A lying about what he's doing while Candidate B lies about what Candidate A is doing. Sit a candidate in front of me that will provide me the itinerary for a four year plan that consists of something a little more complex than things that fit on bumper stickers, and I _WILL_ spend the time reading over it. I will understand it. I will be informed. Until then, US elections are little more useful than an opinion vote on ESPN.com, or as I like to say, "garbage in, garbage out".
And to you, I suggest you get a new keyboard. Your shift and period keys are malfunctioning. How's that for petulance?
So, from your link, I _AM_ supposed to just flippantly vote for whatever guy I happen to like the most at the time based upon whatever information I happen to have heard about them most recently? That's what I'm hearing, or you're supplied me with a snide copout, one of the two.
I will ask, again, more plainly: Where do you get your political information from such that you can trust it's validity? I don't like either of the major party candidates. I think they're both sides of the same coin on everything that actually does matter. Clearly this DOES say much about me. Now, can you recommend me an alternative or not? All the third party candidates I'm aware of have either been buried or subject to such smear campaigns I can't tell if they're raving lunatics or not. You're the well informed one here, and I am just a stupid slave after all. Please, help me save me from myself.
Then please help me, informed one, who the fuck do you vote for? The plutocrat on the red team, the plutocrat on the blue team, or the third party guy that everyone seems convinced is a lunatic? How do I sift through all the bullshit to find out reality surrounding the third party candidates? Is Ron Paul a madman, or is there a conspiracy to illegitimize him? What the fuck happened to Buddy Roemer? Who here immediately responded with: "Who?"
Where do you find these facts upon which you base your decision to vote, and with such conviction upon which you judge those who don't vote. How do you validate those facts? More importantly, rather than bitching at and insulting the people who are so fed up with the system that they've become apathetic, why aren't you actually try to fix things by sharing with them your magical nuggets of golden truth that you seem to possess. I sure as fuck could use some of them, 'cause I feel like I can't vote for feeling it's impossible to be well informed about any of the candidates beyond their rhetoric, misinformation, bumper sticker sloagans, and American flags. I'm not a slave; I just refuse to take part in making a decision blindly or based upon rhetoric.
Accomplishing that last bit is what makes you informative and helpful, and helps you accomplish what you seem to want to do. Up until you do that though, you just come off as a self-righteous asshole, getting high off his latest moral crusade.
I can't presume the activities (or even the existence) of luddites outside of my country. I see my country's luddites on TV fighting for the banning of "scary" new cool shit.
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Basic evolutionist 'logic':
Evolution is Science! Science is always true!
Science is better than Religion because it can be questioned
(Someone cites a centuries-old fairy tale written by humans as scientific "proof".)
DON'T DO THAT!!! YOU'RE A BIGOT BACKWARDS HILLBILLY IGNORANT FOOL WHO BELIEVES IN MAGIC!
I fixed your typo. For what it was worth, you were mostly correct.
Nah, because he's relying on ad homarus attacks.
(...cause like, he seems a little crabby.)
You must be popular with your government.
My work experience now is somewhat different. For being with a company where I directly support stock market traders, the atmosphere is entirely laid back. I'm salaried, but if I work more than eight hours a day (which is usually out of personal interest in what I'm doing) I typically have my boss or someone nagging me to go home. I actually spend some time working on an urgent issue over a weekend a couple weeks ago of my own volition, and when I told my boss that Monday, he became really concerned that I had to put in some extra time (i.e. what broke and is it still broke), and then told me to feel free to take off however much I needed to make it back up to myself. I found out later I got put in for some "above and beyond" recognition thing for giving enough of a damn to make sure that stuff isn't falling apart around me.
We all talk doom and gloom, but at the end of the day, it's really not completely impossible to find a company that will actually hesitate before immediately and always treating their workers like shit. Of course, having that been said, I've had completely opposite experiences at other (and much shorter lived) jobs.
But I'm pretty sure that when I lived in crapsack podunk land as a teenager, I had stood for 12 hours in a single shift working at the shithole state fair cleaning barns for not much more than minimum wage.
Yeah. Next time, don't bother calling us unless you have a _REAL_ NASA food fight. With video. :(
CowboyNeal: Change you can believe in.
And to make it worse, people won't stop fucking worshiping him.
Not just an engineer. An Apple engineer. I think this proves more points about Apple than most Apple people are (or rather, should be) comfortable with.
Mounties march mercessly moving for mysterious maple mugger.
It varies from person to person.
Guys, guys, did you hear?! Diablo 3 is finally getting released on September 20th!
Not sure what that weird tech demo was that Blizzard released a few months ago though...
Much as I hate to parrot lyrics owned by the RIAA, "I think we're losing the fight / sponsored by Bud Lite."
We have no evidence that was _observed_ two million years ago. We have observations from a few decades, and all else is extrapolation.
You say that, but that same argument reducto ad absurdum: We have no evidence that everyone dies when they swallow the output end of a shotgun. We have observations from a few decades, but all else is extrapolation. I believe you won't, because you've never done it before.
Not that I necessarily want you to die, but the above makes my point.
And lasted for 2 whole minutes of everyone keeping a straight face before a raucous chorus of laughter erupted.
Really?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117951/quotes
Gavin: Tommy knew he'd caught the virus, but he never knew he'd gone full-blown.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: What was it, pneumonia or cancer?
Gavin: No, toxoplasmosis. Sort of like a stroke.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: Eh? How's that?
Gavin: He wanted to see Lizzy again. Lizzy wouldn't let him near the house. So he bought a present for her, bought her a kitten.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: But Lizzy told him where to fucking stick it.
Gavin: Exactly. "l'm not wantin' that cat," she says. "Get the fuck," right? So there's Tommy stuck with this kitten. You can imagine what happened. The thing was neglected... pissing and shitting all over the place. Tommy's lying about fucked out of his eyeballs... on smack or downers. He never knew you could get toxoplasmosis from cat shit.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: Neither did l. What is it?
Gavin: Fucking horrible. It's like an abscess on your brain.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: Fucking hell. Then what happened?
Gavin: He starts getting these headaches. So he just uses more smack, you know, for the pain. And then he has a stroke. A fucking stroke, just like that. Gets home from the hospital and dies three weeks later. He'd been dead for ages before the neighbors complained about the smell and got the police to break down the door. Tommy was lying facedown in a pool of vomit.
[long pause]
Gavin: The kitten was fine.
There, proof that Tommy died in Trainspotting from Toxoplasmosis
Nonsense. I liked Roemer quite a bit from what little I heard from him, and he was a viable candidate. The problem was that the media buried him because he was a little too strong on getting the money out of Washington. That appeals to a lot of people; most of them you might have noticed out of your window last fall. His biggest mistake was that, other than trying to ride on the Republican ticket, getting rid of "special interests" doesn't appeal to a lot of entities with money.
I don't require a candidate to appeal strongly to one particular subculture. I require them to not be actively fucking working against it at every possible moment. There's my blind idealism right there.
And as far as the insults go, if anything, I must say that they detracting from your argument. Aside from just making you sound like a self-righteous inarticulate prick, if you think insults are a necessary element in getting people to believe and understand your point then you've given me one more reason to not want to be like you.
How's the movie coming, by the way?
Huh. Again with the insults. So you're suggesting that the ideal is impossible and to vote for what's basically a 'lesser evil', because you're never going to be fully happy with any one candidate, but at least you can vote against the other guy, and this guy at least supports/doesn't support gay marriage/guns for everyone/guns for no one/taxing the middle class/taxing the rich (-er part of the middle class)/abortion/waving miniature American flags. I'm surprised people as a whole haven't tried that before. Oh, wait a second...
I mean, the old ways just don't work. It would be one thing if Candidate A just lied to me about what he's doing. I can't keep up with Candidate A lying about what he's doing while Candidate B lies about what Candidate A is doing. Sit a candidate in front of me that will provide me the itinerary for a four year plan that consists of something a little more complex than things that fit on bumper stickers, and I _WILL_ spend the time reading over it. I will understand it. I will be informed. Until then, US elections are little more useful than an opinion vote on ESPN.com, or as I like to say, "garbage in, garbage out".
And to you, I suggest you get a new keyboard. Your shift and period keys are malfunctioning. How's that for petulance?
How much does JPM still owe the US Government?
So, from your link, I _AM_ supposed to just flippantly vote for whatever guy I happen to like the most at the time based upon whatever information I happen to have heard about them most recently? That's what I'm hearing, or you're supplied me with a snide copout, one of the two.
I will ask, again, more plainly: Where do you get your political information from such that you can trust it's validity? I don't like either of the major party candidates. I think they're both sides of the same coin on everything that actually does matter. Clearly this DOES say much about me. Now, can you recommend me an alternative or not? All the third party candidates I'm aware of have either been buried or subject to such smear campaigns I can't tell if they're raving lunatics or not. You're the well informed one here, and I am just a stupid slave after all. Please, help me save me from myself.
Then please help me, informed one, who the fuck do you vote for? The plutocrat on the red team, the plutocrat on the blue team, or the third party guy that everyone seems convinced is a lunatic? How do I sift through all the bullshit to find out reality surrounding the third party candidates? Is Ron Paul a madman, or is there a conspiracy to illegitimize him? What the fuck happened to Buddy Roemer? Who here immediately responded with: "Who?"
Where do you find these facts upon which you base your decision to vote, and with such conviction upon which you judge those who don't vote. How do you validate those facts? More importantly, rather than bitching at and insulting the people who are so fed up with the system that they've become apathetic, why aren't you actually try to fix things by sharing with them your magical nuggets of golden truth that you seem to possess. I sure as fuck could use some of them, 'cause I feel like I can't vote for feeling it's impossible to be well informed about any of the candidates beyond their rhetoric, misinformation, bumper sticker sloagans, and American flags. I'm not a slave; I just refuse to take part in making a decision blindly or based upon rhetoric.
Accomplishing that last bit is what makes you informative and helpful, and helps you accomplish what you seem to want to do. Up until you do that though, you just come off as a self-righteous asshole, getting high off his latest moral crusade.
You mean the Commodore 64, Creative Nomad, and Nokia N series?
Apple was never first. They just did what everyone else was doing sexier. (read: more advertising)
This is by design.
I can't presume the activities (or even the existence) of luddites outside of my country. I see my country's luddites on TV fighting for the banning of "scary" new cool shit.
But you forget that 9/11 was an inside job.
I think I just won 10,000 USD.