IBM is in the business of selling computer hardware, and service contracts. They do not consider themselves to be in the business of selling software.
Get a Clue.
IBM Makes billions of dollars from its software unit. Websphere, Tivoli, DB2 etc. Now granted, it's overpriced worthless crap, but to claim they don't sell software!? CRAZY
You're talking about what Rod Johnson calls 'Persistence Logic' vs 'Business Logic'.
If the code is about rules of your application, stick it in your application code. i.e: "A User can only have 3 Widgets checked out at a time unless they're a Super-Widget member"
Alternatively if it's about data, it should be in the DB. i.e 'Users have a Type which can't be null unless the user is Inactive'.
I've seen both sides abusing this, one company I worked for refused to use stored procedures or Referential integrity and built all their persistence logic in code. The app sucked.
Another said 'all business rules must be in SQL stored procedures'. They never delivered in time.
It's all about balance, and identifying what's business logic and what's persistence logic.
NO, this is not like outsourcing.
What this is doing is using the industry's geographical price discrimitation against them.
You never mentioned why it wasn't like outsourcing? Isn't outsourcing just companies' using the labour market's Geographical price discrimination against the employees?
Same service, two prices in two different countries. Buy from the cheap one. I fail to see how this is different except that in one case it's the evil Industry and on the other it's the valiant Workers.
A friend of mine is a US citizen. Passport etc. However he's also a NZ citizen.
Upon arriving at LAX on his last trip, he was taken aside and asked how he became a US citizen. What right he had to be one etc. It seems I was born here you idiots isn't enough when you've been to NZ, which we all know is the hot bed of south pacific terrorism.
I wonder if SCO broke any confidentiality agreements regarding the settlement by announcing that CA was a Linux IP Licensee.;)
Just to be clear, SCOX didn't announce this per se. They were caught out in the IBM Discovery hearing. IBM had asked for the names of the licensees saying "Darl's said there are 10, you've told us none". Heise then said "The only ones I'm aware of are CA, Questar and Legget and Platt".
It just took a long time for the non-groklaw press to pick up on it.
I think the point they're making is that they pass 1/10th as many spams as a human does. Not what most people would consider 10 times better, but still an improvement.
Well, I was having a look through this 'list' and most of them are meaningless lines that just happen to coincide. Check out this blatant infringement from net/bridge/br_stp.c:43
p = br->port_list;
You damned linux hippies, stealing that highly critical line has ruined SCO's business!
I believe the ECMA's patent policy is Reasonable And Non Discriminatory, so they can charge $10m per developer, so long as they charge that to everyone.
A fundamental API like you're describing would be the 'lowest common denominator' between the two systems. No KIOSlaves for KDE and no Nautilus integration & panel applets on GNOME. Kinda like AWT from old java, and we all know how much that sucked.
A much saner approach is to ensure that the basic stuff is compatible. Window manager hints, preferences etc. Let application authors write with their preferred toolkit, but ensure it doesn't affect users.
Almost all linux users have both toolkits installed anyway. Yes, I realise some KDE users won't have gnome (Gentoo hackophiles etc.) however if they want to use CoolGnomeApp1.0 they'll just install some librarys and they're away.
Have a look at clevercactus: http://www.clevercactus.com/.
It's Swing
It's Very Cross Platform
It's fast
It looks cool
Similarly check out azureus: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
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Now, correct me if I am wrong, but an ABI definition tells you what to put in which registers and how to make the system call
You're not wrong, however all Darl's talking about here is the value of the symbolic constants in headers like "errno.h". i.e. #define EPERM 1. That's his highly secret ABI IP. His conclusion is that because linux and SVRX use the exact same values for those errors (they don't), Linux violates their ABI copyright.
Now Linus says that he took the specific values from minix, and I believe that he'd know. So SCO's entire ABI argument comes down to the fact that 'some' of the values of 'some' symbolic constants are the same. Therefore we're gonna sue you.
We have that now with Eclipse. Seriously, everyone uses it in the J2EE development market. Where I work there's one guy who refuses to stop using netbeans because he likes the feel of it.
The rest of us switched ages ago.
Sun's just pissed off that noone wants their bloated, slow tool.
Yes it does, however the software is kinda useless without the Music Store. Cdex for the ripping and winamp for the playing. Without downloading music there's really no reason to lock all my Mp3s away in the itunes database.
I'm an iPod owner but iTunes sucked compared to ephpod.
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IBM is in the business of selling computer hardware, and service contracts. They do not consider themselves to be in the business of selling software.
Get a Clue.
IBM Makes billions of dollars from its software unit. Websphere, Tivoli, DB2 etc. Now granted, it's overpriced worthless crap, but to claim they don't sell software!? CRAZY
You're talking about what Rod Johnson calls 'Persistence Logic' vs 'Business Logic'.
If the code is about rules of your application, stick it in your application code. i.e: "A User can only have 3 Widgets checked out at a time unless they're a Super-Widget member"
Alternatively if it's about data, it should be in the DB. i.e 'Users have a Type which can't be null unless the user is Inactive'.
I've seen both sides abusing this, one company I worked for refused to use stored procedures or Referential integrity and built all their persistence logic in code. The app sucked.
Another said 'all business rules must be in SQL stored procedures'. They never delivered in time.
It's all about balance, and identifying what's business logic and what's persistence logic.
This is the same Petreley who predicted that both Caldera & VA Software would be HUGE.
Perhaps he doesn't quite know as much as he thinks he does.
NO, this is not like outsourcing. What this is doing is using the industry's geographical price discrimitation against them.
You never mentioned why it wasn't like outsourcing? Isn't outsourcing just companies' using the labour market's Geographical price discrimination against the employees?
Same service, two prices in two different countries. Buy from the cheap one. I fail to see how this is different except that in one case it's the evil Industry and on the other it's the valiant Workers.
A friend of mine is a US citizen. Passport etc. However he's also a NZ citizen.
Upon arriving at LAX on his last trip, he was taken aside and asked how he became a US citizen. What right he had to be one etc. It seems I was born here you idiots isn't enough when you've been to NZ, which we all know is the hot bed of south pacific terrorism.
Not only is there a C++ interface for gtk+, gtkmm is a much nicer C++ experience than QT.
Specifically, things like iterators and other STL-style constructs. Hooking up gtkmm containers to your applications std::vector's is a joy.
Most importantly, Qt isn't C++, it's preprocessed first. Plus don't get me started on the #defines.
#define emit
WTF!?
For future reference, your users are doing this "accidentally" or "by mistake". "On accident" doesn't make any sense.
/. posts.
I assume your emails are a little more lucid than your
Cheers
Koz
It's worse than that. The BOR specifically says, that where the rights conflict with other legislation. That other legislation takes precedence.
i.e the BOR is simply a guideline
I wonder if SCO broke any confidentiality agreements regarding the settlement by announcing that CA was a Linux IP Licensee. ;)
Just to be clear, SCOX didn't announce this per se. They were caught out in the IBM Discovery hearing. IBM had asked for the names of the licensees saying "Darl's said there are 10, you've told us none". Heise then said "The only ones I'm aware of are CA, Questar and Legget and Platt".
It just took a long time for the non-groklaw press to pick up on it.
FeedDemon. It's a fantastic piece of software, everything *just works*.
It's commercial but worth the price!
Javagaming.org lists lots of gaming resources. Including some 3d ones.
It's definitely worth a look.
Just outsource your development to india. That way you can hire 35 guys at 2 bucks an hour and voila! Instant complex 3d games.
You developers need to think more like managers.
I think the point they're making is that they pass 1/10th as many spams as a human does. Not what most people would consider 10 times better, but still an improvement.
So who do you work for?
Computer Associates, Questar or Leggett & Platt?
Yes, we should all go pawing through the garbage like some starving racoon. /simpsons quote
Well, my plan was to rename p to fuck_sco. But yours is a one line change and therefore takes precendence
Well, I was having a look through this 'list' and most of them are meaningless lines that just happen to coincide. Check out this blatant infringement from net/bridge/br_stp.c:43
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p = br->port_list;
You damned linux hippies, stealing that highly critical line has ruined SCO's business!
http://lxr.linux.no/source/net/bridge/br_stp.c#L4
No need for the party I guess.
While no-one knows for sure, I'll speculate anyway.
The reason that the Litigious Bastards are no-longer on top of their rightful google search is that:
http://www.sco.com/ is offline
I'm confident that once they're back (and googlebot realises they are) the searchgods will adjust their rankings accordingly.
I believe the ECMA's patent policy is Reasonable And Non Discriminatory, so they can charge $10m per developer, so long as they charge that to everyone.
A fundamental API like you're describing would be the 'lowest common denominator' between the two systems. No KIOSlaves for KDE and no Nautilus integration & panel applets on GNOME. Kinda like AWT from old java, and we all know how much that sucked.
A much saner approach is to ensure that the basic stuff is compatible. Window manager hints, preferences etc. Let application authors write with their preferred toolkit, but ensure it doesn't affect users.
Almost all linux users have both toolkits installed anyway. Yes, I realise some KDE users won't have gnome (Gentoo hackophiles etc.) however if they want to use CoolGnomeApp1.0 they'll just install some librarys and they're away.
Similarly check out azureus: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
Now, correct me if I am wrong, but an ABI definition tells you what to put in which registers and how to make the system call
You're not wrong, however all Darl's talking about here is the value of the symbolic constants in headers like "errno.h". i.e. #define EPERM 1. That's his highly secret ABI IP. His conclusion is that because linux and SVRX use the exact same values for those errors (they don't), Linux violates their ABI copyright.
Now Linus says that he took the specific values from minix, and I believe that he'd know. So SCO's entire ABI argument comes down to the fact that 'some' of the values of 'some' symbolic constants are the same. Therefore we're gonna sue you.
Dunno about you, but I'm not losing any sleep
We may be small down here. But we're not *that* small.
"... all the wood behind one arrowhead "
We have that now with Eclipse. Seriously, everyone uses it in the J2EE development market. Where I work there's one guy who refuses to stop using netbeans because he likes the feel of it.
The rest of us switched ages ago.
Sun's just pissed off that noone wants their bloated, slow tool.
Yes it does, however the software is kinda useless without the Music Store. Cdex for the ripping and winamp for the playing. Without downloading music there's really no reason to lock all my Mp3s away in the itunes database.
I'm an iPod owner but iTunes sucked compared to ephpod.