The problem you have is that an approach like this limits your 'cross platform toolkit' to the lowest common denominator. You're left with something that's as ugly and non-functional as AWT (old java stuff).
GTK with gtk-wimp looks and works just fine on win32. You're much better off with a nicely functioning GTK+/win32 application than you are with a piss poor wrapper around win32 widgets.
Now forgive me if I'm being stupid here. SCO's letter states that:
Certain copyrighted application binary interfaces ("ABI Code") have been copied verbatim from our copyrighted UNIX code base and contributed to Linux for distribution under the General Public License ("GPL") without proper authorization and without copyright attribution.
Now all these header files that they've named, are just that, header files. Which relate to the POSIX|UNIX API. These are two different things right?
It's not quite true that there are laws preventing region encoding here. It's perfectly legal. However what the parallel importing laws make legal is importing DVDs from whereever you want to.
Consequently there are lots of zone 1 DVDs floating around, this in turn means that most DVD players are regionless, multi-zoned, whatever.
The only cloud on this horizon is that the courts ruled last year that distributors are entitled to prevent rental chains from releasing films before their theatrical release.
Get a clue. Fedora is the next upgrade in the old redhat linux line. It's produced by redhat and the entire technical committee and technical lead are redhat employees. They just rebranded to:
Reflect the fact that the merger with fedora.us has changed its focus
Keep the RedHat trademark for the high-end offerings
Redhat doesn't want your business, you were costing them money. However those of us who help with fedora would love you to use this distribution.
If your problem is genuinely a bug, and you report it in bugzilla, chances are it will be fixed with an update fairly quickly. Worst case scenario you'll have it fixed with FC 2.
Fedora's leadership page clearly lists redhat employees as technical lead, and taking up all the positions on the technical committee. Just because the slashtrolls say redhat's ditched it doesn't mean it's true.
If your problem is genuinely a bug, and you report it in bugzilla, chances are it will be fixed with an update fairly quickly. Worst case scenario you'll have it fixed with FC 2.
Fedora is sponsored by redhat and produced in the United States. So providing such software is illegal or at least legally grey. Just like debian, who is noone's puppet, has a non-us source, fedora core has one too.
There's no redhat conspiracy here, it's just your stupid country's stupid laws and stupid legal system.
Ironically this trolling is basically accurate. Marc Fleury tells people who dare to ask if the manuals will be ready to suck his dick.
He's basically an arrogant prick. When the CoreDev guys resigned from the Jboss group he removed their commit privileges.
I personally would never recommend JBoss here because of his behaviour. Geronimo will rock, and jboss will then really have to put Fleury in his place or face losing all their clients.
..... Right. You're clearly someone who has never dealt with a mainframe. You could migrate those systems to a small unix server. Unfortunately, IO throughput will destroy your performance and your nightly batches will take 2 days to run.
Exactly, every single UNIX / linux fan who says 'Stuff mainframes, run *nix' has essentially missed the point. Sure you can port the COBOL code over, but without CICS, DB2, VSAM, IMS et. al. your code will be basically worthless.
I'm a unix guy, I have a huge financial incentive to support this kind of migration. But it's not going to happen. At the bank where I work, all new development is Java on Unix, that's fine and dandy but the backend systems with their huge Multi terabyte VSAM files won't be rewritten any time soon.
If you're not competant enough to build an install tree from their freely downloadable enterprise SRPMS, what makes you think you'll even pass the test.
Your ignorance is showing. Fedora Core specifically does *not* include hundreds of duplicated packages.
Check out this thread on fedora-devel-list, someone complains about *only* having two desktop environments by default, redhat and community developers point out that this stuff should and will go into fedora extras.
Just face facts, for today's computers, 3 CDs is nothing. If you don't need all the desktop apps, i.e for my webserver which runs fedora, don't install them.
Now perhaps we can talk about debian with its multiple webserver, multiple mail servers (fedora core does have two, postfix & sendmail). etc.
Those of us with big zSeries systems aren't too worried by that number. It costs hundereds of thousands a year to keep our 6000 MIPs mainframe operational.
Installing RHEL will reduce the software licensing costs significantly.
Miguel and his team are writing this thing. Noone is forcing you to use it. It's even powering some extremly cool software (dashboard and sourcegear vault come to mind.
It's one thing to disagree with him, it's another entirely to insult the man who founded GNOME, brought us mc and actually does work for free software.
Not to be too nice to SUNW or MSFT. Both companies' license agreements were to be paid over several quarters in installments. These aren't new agreements, just the payments for the old ones. IIRC it was equal payments over four quarters. Just the right deal for Darl to make his money.
Where did you get the distinction between outstanding and new customers? SCOs 10-k said:
The Company has an arrangement with Novell, Inc. ("Novell") in which it acts as an administrative agent in the collection of royalties for customers who deploy SVRx technology. Under the agency agreement, the Company collects all customer payments and remits 95 percent of the collected funds to Novell and retains 5 percent as an administrative fee. The Company records the 5 percent administrative fee as revenue in its consolidated statements of operations. The accompanying October 31, 2002 and 2001 consolidated balance sheets reflect the amounts collected related to this agency agreement but not yet remitted to Novell of $1,428,000 and $1,894,000, respectively, as restricted cash and royalty payable to Novell. The October 31, 2001 balances were reclassified from cash and equivalents and other royalties payable to conform to the current year presentation.
It's not all the way. It *is* however a step in the right direction. A lot of people, myself included, would prefer to buy our music legitimatly. Buying a CD is still the easiest way to get high quality, consistant MP3s onto my iPod.
I'm thinking that the studios will absorb a lot of the difference and artists won't be too affected.
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The problem you have is that an approach like this limits your 'cross platform toolkit' to the lowest common denominator. You're left with something that's as ugly and non-functional as AWT (old java stuff).
GTK with gtk-wimp looks and works just fine on win32. You're much better off with a nicely functioning GTK+/win32 application than you are with a piss poor wrapper around win32 widgets.
You're forgetting the FAT (or HFS) filesystem overhead.
Still, I'm sure your 37.1 Gigs will last a very, very long time.
A loss this quarter is a major, major setback.
Yep, it means at least another year of SCO mischief. Merry Christmas All!
Now forgive me if I'm being stupid here. SCO's letter states that:
Certain copyrighted application binary interfaces ("ABI Code") have been copied verbatim from our copyrighted UNIX code base and contributed to Linux for distribution under the General Public License ("GPL") without proper authorization and without copyright attribution.
Now all these header files that they've named, are just that, header files. Which relate to the POSIX|UNIX API. These are two different things right?
It's not quite true that there are laws preventing region encoding here. It's perfectly legal. However what the parallel importing laws make legal is importing DVDs from whereever you want to.
Consequently there are lots of zone 1 DVDs floating around, this in turn means that most DVD players are regionless, multi-zoned, whatever.
The only cloud on this horizon is that the courts ruled last year that distributors are entitled to prevent rental chains from releasing films before their theatrical release.
This is from the same reviewer who blamed Fedora Core 1 for her problems compiling a new version of Gaim with the wrong packages installed.
I'd take anything said with a grain of salt.
On top of that, Firebird is only the working name. After 1.0 it will be Mozilla Browser.
They just rebranded to:
- Reflect the fact that the merger with fedora.us has changed its focus
- Keep the RedHat trademark for the high-end offerings
Redhat doesn't want your business, you were costing them money. However those of us who help with fedora would love you to use this distribution.Cheers
Koz
Yes, I agree with you here. Redhat's marketing machine is pimping their EL offerings pretty heavily at the expense of fedora core.
I'm hoping that at some stage this will stop. having Lots of FC users is in redhat's interests.
Have you reported a bug in Bugzilla?
If your problem is genuinely a bug, and you report it in bugzilla, chances are it will be fixed with an update fairly quickly. Worst case scenario you'll have it fixed with FC 2.
Where are you getting this crap from.
Fedora's leadership page clearly lists redhat employees as technical lead, and taking up all the positions on the technical committee. Just because the slashtrolls say redhat's ditched it doesn't mean it's true.
Have you reported a bug in Bugzilla?
If your problem is genuinely a bug, and you report it in bugzilla, chances are it will be fixed with an update fairly quickly. Worst case scenario you'll have it fixed with FC 2.
Fedora is sponsored by redhat and produced in the United States. So providing such software is illegal or at least legally grey. Just like debian, who is noone's puppet, has a non-us source, fedora core has one too.
There's no redhat conspiracy here, it's just your stupid country's stupid laws and stupid legal system.
Ironically this trolling is basically accurate. Marc Fleury tells people who dare to ask if the manuals will be ready to suck his dick.
He's basically an arrogant prick. When the CoreDev guys resigned from the Jboss group he removed their commit privileges.
I personally would never recommend JBoss here because of his behaviour. Geronimo will rock, and jboss will then really have to put Fleury in his place or face losing all their clients.
..... Right. You're clearly someone who has never dealt with a mainframe. You could migrate those systems to a small unix server. Unfortunately, IO throughput will destroy your performance and your nightly batches will take 2 days to run.
Exactly, every single UNIX / linux fan who says 'Stuff mainframes, run *nix' has essentially missed the point. Sure you can port the COBOL code over, but without CICS, DB2, VSAM, IMS et. al. your code will be basically worthless.
I'm a unix guy, I have a huge financial incentive to support this kind of migration. But it's not going to happen. At the bank where I work, all new development is Java on Unix, that's fine and dandy but the backend systems with their huge Multi terabyte VSAM files won't be rewritten any time soon.
If you're not competant enough to build an install tree from their freely downloadable enterprise SRPMS, what makes you think you'll even pass the test.
Your ignorance is showing. Fedora Core specifically does *not* include hundreds of duplicated packages.
Check out this thread on fedora-devel-list, someone complains about *only* having two desktop environments by default, redhat and community developers point out that this stuff should and will go into fedora extras.
Just face facts, for today's computers, 3 CDs is nothing. If you don't need all the desktop apps, i.e for my webserver which runs fedora, don't install them.
Now perhaps we can talk about debian with its multiple webserver, multiple mail servers (fedora core does have two, postfix & sendmail). etc.
Those of us with big zSeries systems aren't too worried by that number. It costs hundereds of thousands a year to keep our 6000 MIPs mainframe operational.
Installing RHEL will reduce the software licensing costs significantly.
They'll give you the CDs if you buy the software. Judging by your response I'm guessing you're not their target market?
How many MIPs do you have on your zSeries?
Miguel and his team are writing this thing. Noone is forcing you to use it. It's even powering some extremly cool software (dashboard and sourcegear vault come to mind.
It's one thing to disagree with him, it's another entirely to insult the man who founded GNOME, brought us mc and actually does work for free software.
Get some perspective
Sun and MS are propping SCO up to hurt Linux.
Not to be too nice to SUNW or MSFT. Both companies' license agreements were to be paid over several quarters in installments. These aren't new agreements, just the payments for the old ones. IIRC it was equal payments over four quarters. Just the right deal for Darl to make his money.
Where did you get the distinction between outstanding and new customers? SCOs 10-k said:
The Company has an arrangement with Novell, Inc. ("Novell") in which it acts as an administrative agent in the collection of royalties for customers who deploy SVRx technology. Under the agency agreement, the Company collects all customer payments and remits 95 percent of the collected funds to Novell and retains 5 percent as an administrative fee. The Company records the 5 percent administrative fee as revenue in its consolidated statements of operations. The accompanying October 31, 2002 and 2001 consolidated balance sheets reflect the amounts collected related to this agency agreement but not yet remitted to Novell of $1,428,000 and $1,894,000, respectively, as restricted cash and royalty payable to Novell. The October 31, 2001 balances were reclassified from cash and equivalents and other royalties payable to conform to the current year presentation.
It doesn't seem to distinguish between the two?
Unfortunatly the iTunes store is not an option for me as I don't live in the US. I wish it were.
It's not all the way. It *is* however a step in the right direction. A lot of people, myself included, would prefer to buy our music legitimatly. Buying a CD is still the easiest way to get high quality, consistant MP3s onto my iPod.
I'm thinking that the studios will absorb a lot of the difference and artists won't be too affected.