I work for an office supply store that shall remain nameless but what it interesting is how people have come back after buying a Vista system to purchase a copy of XP. Of course a lot of people are rushing in to buy Vista systems at great prices even though they only have 512 ram which is bare bones minimal.
Its not that microsoft is such a "evil company" or intentionally releasing bad product, or not carring about the quality. It is just another case of a company getting too big and trying to do too much. In 10-15 years google will be in the same boat.
or, how long before someone decides to sue nintendo because they've sustained some minor injury from excessive use. I know its stupid, you know its stupid, but twelve jurers did award how much over a spilled cup of coffee?
Good point, though I wonder just what percent of/. is sys admins and coders and percent are just "higher" level or even average home users? Does anyone have any hard non speculative information on this?
The point that I was making though was that when the original linux boom started a lot of it was people like me who was tired of win95/98 crashing at the drop of a hat. I switched because I was a writer and I got tired of loosing date because windows would crash on me and I felt I had to save my work every 20 seconds or risk loosing what I wrote. I think that is why this whole ms/novel/suse thing is personal to me. My first book was written on Suse 6.0 (maybe 6.4) i forget with Sun Star Office. So I wonder how many/. users fall into this catagory vs. the sys admins and coders that you claim, and how important to linux's growth was each group. Either way, the end argument I was making is that the main Linux distributors seem to be slowly moving away from courting users like myself, and only focusing on the businiess and government contracts. So with that in mind, how crushing is the MS/Novell deal to Linux users like myself?
think Novell's marked share will go down in the home sector
I think this is the primary point of division on the entire MS/Novell deal. There are several ways in which the linux community is divided; anything from KDE to GNOME, from Redhat to slackware, and so on. One less mentioned division is between the home user and the corporate user. Over the past 2-4 years the larger players in the marker (redhat, novell, suse, ibm) have all be moving more and more of the resourves towards courting the corporate users. The reasons for this is many. For one, with a single corporate deal they can sell several hundred to several thousand systems where as with a single home user deal they sell 1 system. Secondly, most of the money for Linux distros comes not from the selling of the system but the selling of support for that system. The home user doesnt want to buy support, they want to by the OS, and have it work right out of thebox by pushing a mere 2-3 buttons .
I think this is why the MS/ Novell deal has struck such a chord with the/. users. Its a kind of "betrayal" because the/. user made linux popular, and now that it is popular, Linux is moving away from this user and towards the corporate user. These people feel left out, and left behind.
There is also the tradition of part of Nasa being Houston. The land is also incredibly cheap there and you can buy a few ranches (as he did) and end up with a large mass of land. Being in Van Horn (whichI have driven through 3 times) he is between Austin, San Antonio, El paso, and not too far from Dallas, Houston, Albequerque. Which gives even international travelers several opportunities to get to this place if he acutally starts launching people into space.
ok,
Inevitably someone will most likely reverse engeneer their so called "proprietary code" and start placing bets from somewhere outside of Nevada. Now since the software is propriety and (i hope encrypted since it is used in a finacial way) that means that it should fall under the protection of the DMCA.
The question remains --- what then?
lawsuits? do they just shut down? Cry foul?
Maybe if a big enough hole is found then it could show how much reverse engenering is needed.
slashdot 7.0
then mandrake 7.0
then SuSE 7.0
think maybe red hat was just a bit rushed to get theirs out there.
and yet --- debian is only on 2.2 and running smooth. Something to Ponder.
the problem is in moderating down.
I have to browse at zero because a lot of good post get moderated down because of someone's personal views conflicted with those of the poster. SO... only let people moderate up.
all the AC post that are lame dont get moderated up or down and stay at zero.
most of the ac post that are worth a damned get moderated up to a one.
Now we can browse at +1 or even +2 and trust that we're reading the best posts. I mean some of the most interesting post i've read here on/. have sat at 0. Besides, isn't the number one complaint that the moderators are modding down good posts.
in any case, it seems ridiculous that sites should keep your credit-card information forever, thus amplifiying the damage caused by any hacks.
they shouldn't keep them at all. Once my purchase has been made and the product has been sent out the door there is no need to keep the credit card number on any computer. They can print a reicept and file the thing in a locked cabinet if they absolutley have to. And, that is only so they can back up any "disputed charges". After sixty days (the normal time allowed to dispute charges) they shouldn't have my cc number anywhere. If i decide to make a second purchase i will be glad to take the entire 8 seconds it takes to re-enter my cc number.
OK, this is my opinion and I'm sure others will disagree, but im kinda tired of benchmarks-- especaily of software. When it comes down to it, anyone can spend enough time and energy proving any piece of software or hard ware is better than another. Personally, I'm a fan of heisenberg and his uncertainty principle. I know her was talking about particles, but since so much of quantum physics comes into play in the production of computers doesn't that suggest that they (and the software they run) is subject to some of the same principles.
Fact: There is no Microsoft Office for Linux
Thank God. There also isnt Outlook for Linux either, but none of us are complaining. There is however Star Office, koffice, and Gnome Office.
Fact: All the good games come out for Windows first, then Linux and MAC
They beta test on windows... you know test it out of the week platform first.
Fact: 99% of computers in the home are based on Windows actually that statistic is incorrect. True-- more than half, most even. but- give us time, we're still young.
Fact: It is easier to program for Windows than for any other OS
thanks for proving to the world you never coded a line in your life. Fact: linux comes with its own compiler and source code. how much easier does it get.
Linux has a long uphill battle and I'm sad to say to all you linux freaks out there, your OS will end up like MAC: obsolete.
since when is the mac obsolete?
If online marketing shifted to this kind of advertising (see parent post) where the ads were not so much click through, but just general ads of non online retailers/products-- then what would that do to doubleclick and the such. Would this also help to relieve *some* privacy concerns? maybe not-- but food for thought.
When big non-online companies get into
internet advertising in a big way, there will be heaps more advertising money
around.
Exactly. I buy 99% of my computer stuff at best buy, office max, office depot, or curcuit city. And, from their sotres-- not their web pages. Why aren't they advertising? I'm in the market for a new car here soon-- ford ads? Chevy? toyota? I mean how many of those hotmail accounts are owned buy bisines peopel trying to keep acounts seperate and such--- hotel ads for the businessperson on the go???
I mean just because im on a computer doesnt mean my entire life revolves around it-- i mean i do go outside at least once a day. Nike ads??
I have been known to avoid a product, because of it's god-awful advertising
To this day, I and most of my friends refuse to drink any beer made by Miller because of those horrible DICK comercials (the ones with a 70's theme). As one friend said, "What happened to the girls in bikinis. Sure, they never actually made me buy the product.... but they never made me NOT buy it either."
"The notion of copyright was not invented
by artists to protect themselves from honest
individuals sharing their enthusiasm about
their work," he writes. "It was invented by
artists to protect themselves from dishonest
and hypocritical individuals and companies
exploiting their work without their consent."
Many people see napster as falling into that second group who is exploiting the work. True or not--- that is the image. And, when you have kids all over the place saing things like "dude, i downloaded Artist XYZ's entire album last night, so now I dont have to buy it...."
well, its tough to argue.
Prince cites Napster as an illustration of "the growing frustration over how much the
record companies control what music people get to hear."
If thats true, then why is napster over run by mainstream songs. Do a search on any top forty hit song and you get 100+ hits back on THAT SONG. And yet, there are well known artist out there and you can't get 100 hits on ALL their songs together.
I guess what I'm saying here is --- it cuts both ways.
ever see a napster profit margin? Again, that was my point-- they give away a service and take nothing in. Sooner or later-- something has to give.
As far as packaging and coke goes-- i think you are essencially right--- for things that are packaged. Again, think about movies-- or pizza. If pizza hut didn't tell you about their new deal- how woudl you find out other than calling them. but, we've all, at least once, called them becasue of an ad we saw. Maybe that is the secrest. Instead of banner ads for useless crap we need ones like --"tired of surfing? hungry? want a pizza?"
But
when was the last time you bought anything from a click through banner? How many times have you even clicked one?
Now,
How many times have you bought something because of an ad you saw on TV. Just tink of how many movies you've seen because of the ads. Or, how many times you've eaten a food cause that ad made it look sooo good?
Slashdot Mirror
I work for an office supply store that shall remain nameless but what it interesting is how people have come back after buying a Vista system to purchase a copy of XP. Of course a lot of people are rushing in to buy Vista systems at great prices even though they only have 512 ram which is bare bones minimal.
Its not that microsoft is such a "evil company" or intentionally releasing bad product, or not carring about the quality. It is just another case of a company getting too big and trying to do too much. In 10-15 years google will be in the same boat.
Mathmatically you are 100% Correct.
But I have always thought of it this way.
*If you have 5 dollars and divide it equally amung a group of 10 people, they all have 50 cents
*now if you have 0 dollars and divide that amung a group of 10 people, they all have 0 dollars
*therefore 0/0 = 0
*If 0/0= 1 then somehow if you have 0 dollars and divide it by 10 people they'd have to all end up with a dollar.
or, how long before someone decides to sue nintendo because they've sustained some minor injury from excessive use. I know its stupid, you know its stupid, but twelve jurers did award how much over a spilled cup of coffee?
Good point, though I wonder just what percent of /. is sys admins and coders and percent are just "higher" level or even average home users? Does anyone have any hard non speculative information on this?
/. users fall into this catagory vs. the sys admins and coders that you claim, and how important to linux's growth was each group. Either way, the end argument I was making is that the main Linux distributors seem to be slowly moving away from courting users like myself, and only focusing on the businiess and government contracts. So with that in mind, how crushing is the MS/Novell deal to Linux users like myself?
The point that I was making though was that when the original linux boom started a lot of it was people like me who was tired of win95/98 crashing at the drop of a hat. I switched because I was a writer and I got tired of loosing date because windows would crash on me and I felt I had to save my work every 20 seconds or risk loosing what I wrote. I think that is why this whole ms/novel/suse thing is personal to me. My first book was written on Suse 6.0 (maybe 6.4) i forget with Sun Star Office. So I wonder how many
think Novell's marked share will go down in the home sector
/. users. Its a kind of "betrayal" because the /. user made linux popular, and now that it is popular, Linux is moving away from this user and towards the corporate user. These people feel left out, and left behind.
I think this is the primary point of division on the entire MS/Novell deal. There are several ways in which the linux community is divided; anything from KDE to GNOME, from Redhat to slackware, and so on. One less mentioned division is between the home user and the corporate user. Over the past 2-4 years the larger players in the marker (redhat, novell, suse, ibm) have all be moving more and more of the resourves towards courting the corporate users. The reasons for this is many. For one, with a single corporate deal they can sell several hundred to several thousand systems where as with a single home user deal they sell 1 system. Secondly, most of the money for Linux distros comes not from the selling of the system but the selling of support for that system. The home user doesnt want to buy support, they want to by the OS, and have it work right out of thebox by pushing a mere 2-3 buttons .
I think this is why the MS/ Novell deal has struck such a chord with the
just my $.02
There is also the tradition of part of Nasa being Houston. The land is also incredibly cheap there and you can buy a few ranches (as he did) and end up with a large mass of land. Being in Van Horn (whichI have driven through 3 times) he is between Austin, San Antonio, El paso, and not too far from Dallas, Houston, Albequerque. Which gives even international travelers several opportunities to get to this place if he acutally starts launching people into space.
for service pack 2 to come out.
i just use nil@nil.com as default. If I am realy bored then maybe gw@whitehouse.gov.
when i first read it -- i thought about the movies sneakers -- whistler and mother.
Our definition of free software is *more strict* than the definition of open source.
excuse me while i bang my head against the wall.
No, what would be really cool would be a parody with four identical windows in a row, each one broken.
with tux standing around holding a snowball??
ok, Inevitably someone will most likely reverse engeneer their so called "proprietary code" and start placing bets from somewhere outside of Nevada. Now since the software is propriety and (i hope encrypted since it is used in a finacial way) that means that it should fall under the protection of the DMCA.
The question remains --- what then?
lawsuits? do they just shut down? Cry foul?
Maybe if a big enough hole is found then it could show how much reverse engenering is needed.
slashdot 7.0
then mandrake 7.0
then SuSE 7.0
think maybe red hat was just a bit rushed to get theirs out there. and yet --- debian is only on 2.2 and running smooth. Something to Ponder.
the problem is in moderating down. I have to browse at zero because a lot of good post get moderated down because of someone's personal views conflicted with those of the poster. SO... only let people moderate up. /. have sat at 0. Besides, isn't the number one complaint that the moderators are modding down good posts.
all the AC post that are lame dont get moderated up or down and stay at zero.
most of the ac post that are worth a damned get moderated up to a one.
Now we can browse at +1 or even +2 and trust that we're reading the best posts. I mean some of the most interesting post i've read here on
in any case, it seems ridiculous that sites should keep your credit-card information forever, thus amplifiying the damage caused by any hacks.
they shouldn't keep them at all. Once my purchase has been made and the product has been sent out the door there is no need to keep the credit card number on any computer. They can print a reicept and file the thing in a locked cabinet if they absolutley have to. And, that is only so they can back up any "disputed charges". After sixty days (the normal time allowed to dispute charges) they shouldn't have my cc number anywhere. If i decide to make a second purchase i will be glad to take the entire 8 seconds it takes to re-enter my cc number.
OK, this is my opinion and I'm sure others will disagree, but im kinda tired of benchmarks-- especaily of software. When it comes down to it, anyone can spend enough time and energy proving any piece of software or hard ware is better than another. Personally, I'm a fan of heisenberg and his uncertainty principle. I know her was talking about particles, but since so much of quantum physics comes into play in the production of computers doesn't that suggest that they (and the software they run) is subject to some of the same principles.
Fact: There is no Microsoft Office for Linux
Thank God. There also isnt Outlook for Linux either, but none of us are complaining. There is however Star Office, koffice, and Gnome Office.
Fact: All the good games come out for Windows first, then Linux and MAC
They beta test on windows... you know test it out of the week platform first.
Fact: 99% of computers in the home are based on Windows
actually that statistic is incorrect. True-- more than half, most even. but- give us time, we're still young.
Fact: It is easier to program for Windows than for any other OS
thanks for proving to the world you never coded a line in your life. Fact: linux comes with its own compiler and source code. how much easier does it get.
Linux has a long uphill battle and I'm sad to say to all you linux freaks out there, your OS will end up like MAC: obsolete.
since when is the mac obsolete?
Ok, I just had a thought.
If online marketing shifted to this kind of advertising (see parent post) where the ads were not so much click through, but just general ads of non online retailers/products-- then what would that do to doubleclick and the such. Would this also help to relieve *some* privacy concerns? maybe not-- but food for thought.
When big non-online companies get into internet advertising in a big way, there will be heaps more advertising money around.
Exactly. I buy 99% of my computer stuff at best buy, office max, office depot, or curcuit city. And, from their sotres-- not their web pages. Why aren't they advertising? I'm in the market for a new car here soon-- ford ads? Chevy? toyota? I mean how many of those hotmail accounts are owned buy bisines peopel trying to keep acounts seperate and such--- hotel ads for the businessperson on the go???
I mean just because im on a computer doesnt mean my entire life revolves around it-- i mean i do go outside at least once a day. Nike ads??
I have been known to avoid a product, because of it's god-awful advertising
To this day, I and most of my friends refuse to drink any beer made by Miller because of those horrible DICK comercials (the ones with a 70's theme). As one friend said, "What happened to the girls in bikinis. Sure, they never actually made me buy the product.... but they never made me NOT buy it either."
"The notion of copyright was not invented by artists to protect themselves from honest individuals sharing their enthusiasm about their work," he writes. "It was invented by artists to protect themselves from dishonest and hypocritical individuals and companies exploiting their work without their consent."
Many people see napster as falling into that second group who is exploiting the work. True or not--- that is the image. And, when you have kids all over the place saing things like "dude, i downloaded Artist XYZ's entire album last night, so now I dont have to buy it...."
well, its tough to argue.
Prince cites Napster as an illustration of "the growing frustration over how much the record companies control what music people get to hear."
If thats true, then why is napster over run by mainstream songs. Do a search on any top forty hit song and you get 100+ hits back on THAT SONG. And yet, there are well known artist out there and you can't get 100 hits on ALL their songs together.
I guess what I'm saying here is --- it cuts both ways.
Ever see a Napster ad?
ever see a napster profit margin? Again, that was my point-- they give away a service and take nothing in. Sooner or later-- something has to give.
As far as packaging and coke goes-- i think you are essencially right--- for things that are packaged. Again, think about movies-- or pizza. If pizza hut didn't tell you about their new deal- how woudl you find out other than calling them. but, we've all, at least once, called them becasue of an ad we saw. Maybe that is the secrest. Instead of banner ads for useless crap we need ones like --"tired of surfing? hungry? want a pizza?"
oh humm ust my $.02
currect!
But
when was the last time you bought anything from a click through banner? How many times have you even clicked one?
Now,
How many times have you bought something because of an ad you saw on TV. Just tink of how many movies you've seen because of the ads. Or, how many times you've eaten a food cause that ad made it look sooo good?
The difference is effectivenes.
Of course, one coudl always revert to a standard news reader, get onto usenet, and forgo the middleman altogether, couldn't they??
:o)
Are you insane?? Do you have any idea what would happen if a rational idea like that was introduced into this place? IT would throw everything off.