Do you count having USB support first being ahead? If so, then FreeBSD was ahead. That wasn't that long ago.
What about Firewire? Does Linux have that yet? I really don't know that answer, but I do know that FreeBSD has it.
How about easy of maintenance? That would put it ahead too (although, that's quite subjective). CVSup is a great tool for staying up-to-date. CVSup and compile and you're on your way. That's the Unix way. To some, the Unix way is just too hard. I'm quite comfortable with editing files and using the command line.
You know, this arguement will go on forever. It's like the Chevy vs Ford flame wars. Or the Jap-scrap vs Euro-trash auto wars. It will just go on forever.
Who gives a flying fuck what other people use, just use what you like.
They're dropping Perl from the base. Meaning that it won't be required in order to build the system. Also, it will be installed as a third party port (add-on software).
Actually, the 4.X branch still has Perl in the base system. The 4.X branch is where DFBSD forked from. The 5.X branch is where Perl was removed.
Before, there were quite a few "system" programs that were perl scripts. Those programs were rewritten as "C" programs in order to rid the dependency of Perl in the base system.
It's not a bad thing. A Unix OS really doesn't need Perl. And if you really do need it, you can easily install it via the ports system or via the package system. No biggie. Makes the base install smaller and neater.
Is that 75 uers including Yahoo!, UUnet, Microsoft, Juniper and others or not? I guess it doesn't matter how many boxes they have, they each only count at a single entity right? So I guess that's 3 of the 75 users. Oh yeah, then there's me. So that makes 4 of the 75 users. Oh wait, I guess I should include the original poster. So that would make 5 users. I wonder who are the other 70 users.
Alot of BSD hackers are Japanes. Ever heard of the KAME project? I guess it's because the Japs are good at taking something originally American (BSD in this case) and making it better.
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Here's a few urls for those interested (this is slashdot so I'll probably be flamed for being on topic):
I've heard that the Apten chips are really good and they're custom programmed for the the stuff that you have already done to your vehicle (Intake, heads, headers, exhaust, etc). I've heard that the Jet chips suck. Hypertech is a well known brand though.
Bah, those are just reliability fixes. One isn't a big deal unless you use IPSec I believe and not a remote hole. The other can be a nuisance either way, but it's *not* a remote hole. Keyword being hole here. I'm more worried about vulnerabilities that allow to execute code or unauthorized access.
Right on! I drive a vehicle with a manual transmission (I would much rather have the control of the engine than relinquish it to the likes of an automatic transmission) and I've rebuilt engines in the past (Ford 302's and air-cooled V.W.'s). I guess that would give me the license to drive. Waaahoooo!!!
I totally agree with that OpenBSD is doing regarding the removal of GNU software. It seems as though the other BSD's are doing this, but I haven't read about that elsewhere do I don't know for sure. Although, I do hope they are following OpenBSD's lead. It would be nice to have a truely "free" (free in every sense of the word) Operating System.
I started out with FreeBSD version 2.2.2 (that was back in early '97 I think) which was difficult to install because it didn't detect my cdrom, then I went to Slackware 96, then Slackware 3.4 which was good. Then tried Redhat 4.2 but that didn't install probably because I bought it from Cheapbytes. *shrug*
An MIT student, who was really big on Unix, convinced me that I should give FreeBSD another try. He compared Linux to a cheap imitation of Unix. He was right. It is an imitation. Now Linux isn't as cheap of an imitation as it used to be, but that's beside the point. Anyway, I then I went back to FreeBSD running version 2.2.5 and upgraded all the way to version 2.2.8.
I pretty much skipped the 3.x series because I didn't like it and went straight to 4.0 Beta. I upgraded all the way up to FreeBSD version 4.6 and stayed there because it worked so well. After my hardrive died, I decided to install FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE to try it out. I liked 5.0 much better than I liked 3.0 but it still felt weird to me, but I decided to keep it.
There are times I want to go back to the 4.x series, but I figure that in time I'll get used to the 5.x series differences. So far it's stable and does the job. There are some weird things to it, but if I don't use it I'll never get used to it.
Here at work wet have quite a few Macs running OS X. I don't use them personally but I have helped out a few of the guys here get aquainted with the Terminal. I have been trying to convice them that the Terminal is a very powefull app. I don't know if they've come to realize that yet.
XFree86 is an independent volunteer organisation, with a focus on the individual.
I don't know, but that sounds to me like a "Blatant Lie". Focus on the individual? How can they claim this when they have already agreed that they've dropped the ball. Isn't that why they disbanded in the first place?
Hmmm, is it dead yet? It's been over 100 days and all. Guess not.
Yeah, this is a box that I mess around with at work. I don't run anything serious on it, but I do have a few userull utilities to help me diagnose network problems.
This machine, as you can see, is 5.0-RELEASE and it's like the Energizer Bunny. I goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on...
My uptime is actually kinda small due to a power outage some one hundred and twelve days ago. I think the longest uptime I've had on a FreeBSD box was over 200 days and I accidentally unplugged it.
Yeah, I know uptime doesn't mean much but it's nice to know it's been that stable and the hardware has been stable too. It's running on an old Compaq Prosignia 200 box. Runs great.
I don't know if I ever plan to upgrade this box since it's not externally accessible on the Internet and I really don't use it for production use. Besides, if it ain't broke why fix it. Right?
So everything worked out of the box? Hey, that's good to know. Lately, I've been becoming more and more an MSI fan. I used to like Asus, but MSI is doing some pretty cool things. Besides, I like the color of their mainboards. Daemon red.;)
Would you like to list which these are? Also, how many of the 10,000 or so ports would you consider to be most?
Seems like there's only like 64 ports that are considered broken. Either you have some fucked up logic, but 64 out of 10,019 doesn't sound like most to me.
Congrats to the FreeBSD. Keep up the good work! You're doing great!
Yeah, Micheal Jackson may be a wierdo sicko, but that Captain Eo was really cool. I wish they would bring that back. Have alternating "Honney I shrunk the kids" and "Captain Eo" shows.
Ya know, talking about Disneyland I really need to go back before the year is over. I go there at least once a year. Then again it helps when my son's god mother works there and can get us in for free.
Right now they have the Haunted Mansion done up all like the movie "Nightmare Before Christmas" and it's really kick ass. Haunted Mansion is one of my favorite rides next to Pirates of the Carribean.
By the way, Haunted Mansion was an okay movie. If you love the ride, you'll love the movie. And I see that ride enough times a year to know it pretty well and I saw all the movie counter parts.
IIRC, you can load them up as a module therefore you don't have to recompile the kernel. Well, I don't know the parent might have been a troll, if so then I fell for it.
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It can't be dead if it was just born you dumb ass. Well, then again it could be still born but this isn't the case.
Yes, and they [Microsoft] still admits to using FreeBSD on some servers. Look it up for yourslef if you want.
Do you count having USB support first being ahead? If so, then FreeBSD was ahead. That wasn't that long ago.
What about Firewire? Does Linux have that yet? I really don't know that answer, but I do know that FreeBSD has it.
How about easy of maintenance? That would put it ahead too (although, that's quite subjective). CVSup is a great tool for staying up-to-date. CVSup and compile and you're on your way. That's the Unix way. To some, the Unix way is just too hard. I'm quite comfortable with editing files and using the command line.
You know, this arguement will go on forever. It's like the Chevy vs Ford flame wars. Or the Jap-scrap vs Euro-trash auto wars. It will just go on forever.
Who gives a flying fuck what other people use, just use what you like.
Can't steal something that's free you jack ass.
They're dropping Perl from the base. Meaning that it won't be required in order to build the system. Also, it will be installed as a third party port (add-on software).
Actually, the 4.X branch still has Perl in the base system. The 4.X branch is where DFBSD forked from. The 5.X branch is where Perl was removed.
Before, there were quite a few "system" programs that were perl scripts. Those programs were rewritten as "C" programs in order to rid the dependency of Perl in the base system.
It's not a bad thing. A Unix OS really doesn't need Perl. And if you really do need it, you can easily install it via the ports system or via the package system. No biggie. Makes the base install smaller and neater.
Is that 75 uers including Yahoo!, UUnet, Microsoft, Juniper and others or not? I guess it doesn't matter how many boxes they have, they each only count at a single entity right? So I guess that's 3 of the 75 users. Oh yeah, then there's me. So that makes 4 of the 75 users. Oh wait, I guess I should include the original poster. So that would make 5 users. I wonder who are the other 70 users.
Alot of BSD hackers are Japanes. Ever heard of the KAME project? I guess it's because the Japs are good at taking something originally American (BSD in this case) and making it better.
Here's a few urls for those interested (this is slashdot so I'll probably be flamed for being on topic):
http://www.apten-us.com/ - Ford performance chips
http://www.hypertech-inc.com/ - Dodge, Ford, GMC performance chips
http://www.jetchip.com/ - Domestic and Import performance chips
http://www.diablosport.com/main.php - Dodge, Ford, GMC performance chips
I've heard that the Apten chips are really good and they're custom programmed for the the stuff that you have already done to your vehicle (Intake, heads, headers, exhaust, etc). I've heard that the Jet chips suck. Hypertech is a well known brand though.
Bah, those are just reliability fixes. One isn't a big deal unless you use IPSec I believe and not a remote hole. The other can be a nuisance either way, but it's *not* a remote hole. Keyword being hole here. I'm more worried about vulnerabilities that allow to execute code or unauthorized access.
Right on! I drive a vehicle with a manual transmission (I would much rather have the control of the engine than relinquish it to the likes of an automatic transmission) and I've rebuilt engines in the past (Ford 302's and air-cooled V.W.'s). I guess that would give me the license to drive. Waaahoooo!!!
I totally agree with that OpenBSD is doing regarding the removal of GNU software. It seems as though the other BSD's are doing this, but I haven't read about that elsewhere do I don't know for sure. Although, I do hope they are following OpenBSD's lead. It would be nice to have a truely "free" (free in every sense of the word) Operating System.
Awwww, poor baby won't run BSD. Don't cry. It's okay, when you grow up then maybe you'll be able to run BSD.
I started out with FreeBSD version 2.2.2 (that was back in early '97 I think) which was difficult to install because it didn't detect my cdrom, then I went to Slackware 96, then Slackware 3.4 which was good. Then tried Redhat 4.2 but that didn't install probably because I bought it from Cheapbytes. *shrug*
An MIT student, who was really big on Unix, convinced me that I should give FreeBSD another try. He compared Linux to a cheap imitation of Unix. He was right. It is an imitation. Now Linux isn't as cheap of an imitation as it used to be, but that's beside the point. Anyway, I then I went back to FreeBSD running version 2.2.5 and upgraded all the way to version 2.2.8.
I pretty much skipped the 3.x series because I didn't like it and went straight to 4.0 Beta. I upgraded all the way up to FreeBSD version 4.6 and stayed there because it worked so well. After my hardrive died, I decided to install FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE to try it out. I liked 5.0 much better than I liked 3.0 but it still felt weird to me, but I decided to keep it.
There are times I want to go back to the 4.x series, but I figure that in time I'll get used to the 5.x series differences. So far it's stable and does the job. There are some weird things to it, but if I don't use it I'll never get used to it.
Here at work wet have quite a few Macs running OS X. I don't use them personally but I have helped out a few of the guys here get aquainted with the Terminal. I have been trying to convice them that the Terminal is a very powefull app. I don't know if they've come to realize that yet.
Don't be so lazy. Read the whole post. I said, I don't do much with this box. Lazy ass!
This is proof that Linux is dying!
XFree86 is an independent volunteer organisation, with a focus on the individual.
I don't know, but that sounds to me like a "Blatant Lie". Focus on the individual? How can they claim this when they have already agreed that they've dropped the ball. Isn't that why they disbanded in the first place?
Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.
[4:41pm] blah@bsd (/usr/ports) # uname -aG ENERIC i386
FreeBSD bsd.ircla.intexcorp.com 5.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE #0: Thu Jan 16 22:16:53 GMT 2003 root@hollin.btc.adaptec.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/
[4:48pm] blah@bsd (/usr/ports) # uptime
4:49PM up 112 days, 1:57, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[4:49pm] blah@bsd (/usr/ports) #
Hmmm, is it dead yet? It's been over 100 days and all. Guess not.
Yeah, this is a box that I mess around with at work. I don't run anything serious on it, but I do have a few userull utilities to help me diagnose network problems.
This machine, as you can see, is 5.0-RELEASE and it's like the Energizer Bunny. I goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on...
My uptime is actually kinda small due to a power outage some one hundred and twelve days ago. I think the longest uptime I've had on a FreeBSD box was over 200 days and I accidentally unplugged it.
Yeah, I know uptime doesn't mean much but it's nice to know it's been that stable and the hardware has been stable too. It's running on an old Compaq Prosignia 200 box. Runs great.
I don't know if I ever plan to upgrade this box since it's not externally accessible on the Internet and I really don't use it for production use. Besides, if it ain't broke why fix it. Right?
So everything worked out of the box? Hey, that's good to know. Lately, I've been becoming more and more an MSI fan. I used to like Asus, but MSI is doing some pretty cool things. Besides, I like the color of their mainboards. Daemon red. ;)
Would you like to list which these are? Also, how many of the 10,000 or so ports would you consider to be most?
Seems like there's only like 64 ports that are considered broken. Either you have some fucked up logic, but 64 out of 10,019 doesn't sound like most to me.
Congrats to the FreeBSD. Keep up the good work! You're doing great!
No point in telling him about 4.x dude. He was a troll.
Either that or he's really stupid to be using something not production ready in a mission critical application.
Yeah, Micheal Jackson may be a wierdo sicko, but that Captain Eo was really cool. I wish they would bring that back. Have alternating "Honney I shrunk the kids" and "Captain Eo" shows.
Ya know, talking about Disneyland I really need to go back before the year is over. I go there at least once a year. Then again it helps when my son's god mother works there and can get us in for free.
Right now they have the Haunted Mansion done up all like the movie "Nightmare Before Christmas" and it's really kick ass. Haunted Mansion is one of my favorite rides next to Pirates of the Carribean.
By the way, Haunted Mansion was an okay movie. If you love the ride, you'll love the movie. And I see that ride enough times a year to know it pretty well and I saw all the movie counter parts.
At least he has the balls to use his id. What's wrong, did you lose your balls, Mr. Anonymous Coward?
I'd do the same damn thing. Give them like 5 million bucks or something.
IIRC, you can load them up as a module therefore you don't have to recompile the kernel. Well, I don't know the parent might have been a troll, if so then I fell for it.