When colombian drug dealers killed DEA agent, Kiki Camarena, the DEA broke down every suspected drug dealer's door with or without evidence of any crimes.
That works against a group with a profit motive. That's not what's at work here. You do that with terrorists and you only feed their delusions. You nail the responsible parties with as little collateral damage as possible and you stand a decent chance of winning the war for the mindset of people (not necessarily governments or special interest groups). If that doesn't happen you spawn a new generation that looks upon the loss of 50k lives as "justifiable".
We want swift retribution because it'll make us feel better..... momentarily.
Question: would you be willing to trade your personal privacy for maybe some further measure of security from terrorists? Would you grant the people running Carnivore greater rights into your life in order to perhaps prevent more events like this?
Carnivore can't sniff out an organization whose plans are made on the backside of the desert. I doubt they use the internet for anything more than propaganda. They don't plot attacks over cell phones. They're smart.
The news agencies keep talking about how this had to be a sophisticated, well funded attack. No. It was well planned, but very low tech. No foreign investments in military equipment were needed. The coordination was set by the Airline schedules (probably why they didn't fly America West), not the atomic clock synchronized on their IBM built Linux watches.... Well funded? How much do airline tickets go for these days? Did they have to build bombs? No, Take off on a transcontinental passenger flight that departs near your target and you have more fuel than Timothy McVeigh would know what to do with. Very low tech. Very inexpensive (in terms of return on investment). Very well thought out.
When we begin to live in fear, we have betrayed the principles of our very country.
On this we agree.
But what is obvious to me is that we must rise above this, we must not live in fear....
I agree. That means that we don't sink to their level to the point that innocent lives in the scores of thousands are willingly sacrificed to make our point. That's not "rising above" this. We can't be willing to stoop to their level in terms of losing our humanity. If we do, we are worse than they are because we aren't as smart. This was planned with patience. Targets were chosen because of the massive losses in terms of human life, but also because they knew the symbolic and actual damages that would be done to our country.
The trade center was a seat of commerce, literally and figuratively. They struck us in the pocketbook, literally and figuratively because we put so much stock in our economic prowess.
The airlines (most people just see this as a tool, but I think it was a target as well) offered us a sense of connectedness that email and telephones can't give. We felt safe about our domestic flights and security was minimal when compared to international flights. This too was a strike at commerce since much of air travel is business related. Now all the overnight package delivery services are grounded as well. They struck us there because we felt safe.
The pentagon is the seat of our military power. They struck us there because we take great pride in our military strength (not necessarily the same as our role as international policemen).
We pride ourselves on being the strongest economically and militarily and believe that we are somehow safely insulated from this very sort of thing, and that is precisely where we were hit. Literally and figuratively.
I am sure that the majority of the American people don't have the stomach to retaliate in kind. There are some who will not be satisfied with the lives of the responsible parties as the numbers just don't come out evenly. It's harder to wage a war against terrorists because they don't have borders. You can't reduce their infrastructure to rubble because they, like parasites, live off the infrastructure of a host country. In this case, with such a devastating loss of lives, I would think our government would view any host nation's refusal to give up the engineers of this plot as an act of overt aggression on the part of that government. An act of war.
Ghandi wouldn't even be a footnote in history if he were dealing with someone who didn't care about what others thought of their country/group/movement.
The US has recently weighed in massively on the side of Israel, and done nothing to help the Palestinian victims of Israeli terror attacks.
The Israel/Palestine issue is a two-way street. Don't make it sound so one-sided.
Peace has worked in the Middle East before, and if the US campaign of violence and intimidation against the Palestinians stopped, it might work again.
What US campaign of violence and intimidation against Palestinians? Whose propaganda have you been reading?
My capital has been repeatedly bombed by extremist terrorist groups for many years now. I support making peace with them, conceding to some of their demands, and releasing their captured prisoners of war from our jails.
I'm sorry that has happened. So are many other people. There are probably a great number of people that would rejoice at the news (regardless of which capital you refer to).
Concessions are for negotiations between reasonable parties. The only thing concessions teach terrorists is that terrorism works very effectively.
First, this is many orders of magnitude beyond a car bomb in front of a Department store.
Second, if things happen repeatedly there, you don't have the answer.
Third, how would you go about making peace with someone who literally views your entire nation as "The Great Satan?" You can only reason with reasonable people. These acts clearly show that the perpetrators are anything but reasonable.
You could accomplish the same thing without chopping up the furniture by sitting on one of those inflatable exercise balls. They come in several sizes to fit different bodies.
OTOH, there is no way that I can look at you and be certain that I know what's in your heart, or what your relationship to God is.
I'm not sure I can agree fully with that. I think I understand what you're saying, but one can observe what importance people place on different things and make a determination as to where their priorities lie. Besides, Scripture says that you will know them by their fruits. Sure, there will be different degrees of "success" in following a particular teaching, but the earmark will be a consistent "pressing toward the mark".
I doubt very much that I will ever find a person whose actions conform completely to my understanding of what God wants.
I think most people have some inconsistencies whatever their belief system. Sometimes a liberal politician will come down on the conservative side of a particular issue, and sometimes a conservative will make liberal noises, but our society (or the press) puts a label on them based on their consistencies, not the occasional inconsistency.
Or, to put it more succintly, "man looks at the outside appearance, but God looks at the heart."
I think Christians sometimes miss the point in interpretation of scripture. There are people whose actions are consistently against a belief system whether Christian, Muslim, or whatever that we may not be able to place into a catagory, but we can remove them from various categories with some certainty. The quote you use is a two-edged sword. I'm sure you've run across those who justify their vices by saying, "God looks at the heart." I think the application could also be that you can fool people.... but never God. If you couple that passage with the one about those who cry, "Lord, Lord" and list their accomplishments (which sound pretty righteous to most Christians) he looks at their hearts and says "Depart." The implication is that God can see hypocrisy where we cannot. Whatever your ideals/ethics it is human nature to try to hide the hypocritical deviations and trumpet the successes. Because of this, the ability to judge the contents of the heart would be far more useful in laying bare the hypocrite than determining the righteous.
I don't think "Christian" means anything anymore as it has been so diluted by those who claim to be adherants yet do not follow the teachings. In fact, the term was originally used as a demeaning label by those outside of the faith.
Yes, there are professing Christians who are also gay.
Sure, there are those who "profess" any number of things, but that doesn't make it so. There are "professed" Christians who have murdered their own families and have no remorse. I can profess to be a black female but others can, by observation, counter that I am a white male and they would be right.
Actually, the Desktop itself (KDE, GNOME, etc.) is superior. I can have multiple desktops that I bounce between, giving me far more space than a Windows machine. X is stable now. I've got icon shortcuts like windows, a better taskbar, a pair of googlie eyes (reference predates google) for helping me find my cursor It's the applications that are lacking and aside from the MSOffice suite, very few of those are from MS (originally). It really depends on what you want to do as to whether Linux is "ready" for the "desktop" (and how you define those quoted terms).
Some of the open source stuff is getting close to reasonable levels of compatibility with the Office products. The KDE apps still choke on MS stuff, but StarOffice does a decent job of importing.doc and.xls files.
This statement confuses me. Have you met many homosexuals who force their views on you? How do they do this? "You must convert or we will kill this very cute puppy!"
Boy, if they did, I'd turn 'em in to PETA. Then we'd see who has a "radical agenda!"
Could you ellborate a bit more how "the homosexuality community tries to force their views on" you?
I don't propose to speak for the individual you are addressing, but isn't that what the community is trying to do with the Boy Scouts? The Supreme Court has ruled that the BSA is within their rights to hold the views that they do and to act accordingly. The homosexual community has launched organized campaigns to defund the BSA by putting pressure on corporate and charitable sponsors unless it meets their demands.
...when Jesus Christ died, the Law of Moses died with him.
Actually it was the ceremonial law, the sacrifices, washings and various types of offerings that were done away with. The civil and moral laws were not rescinded. These are actually reinforced in the writings of the Apostles.
I believe somewhere in the bible it says love the sinner but hate the sin (or something like that).
You can believe that if you'd like, but it isn't there - not in so many words. "Love thy neighbor as thyself" should cover the 'Love the sinner' aspect and hating evil should cover the 'not the sin' portion. You'd be surprised how many people think that actual statement (love the sinner but not the sin) is in the Bible along with "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" and "God helps those who help themselves".
...the same type of drone that was shot down over Iraq (last week)? Don't know if it's the same size, but it certainly has the same form. So when the article says it has "cutting edge technology usually seen in military aircraft" wouldn't that be because it's essentially the same plane (sans whatever super-duper top-secret military stuff the mfg. wasn't allowed to include)?
Would extending the length of a plane actually prevent a sonic boom?
Given a sufficiently long plane, sufficiently long flight and sufficiently fast passengers you could have the passengers board in the rear and run toward the front during the flight. This could allow the aircraft to fly a teensy bit sub-sonic and have the passengers moving at or above the speed of sound. Whether individual passengers would now emit sonic booms would depend on what was being served as an in-flight meal in coach.
Right! And to add insult to injury the reviewer says that the buyer isn't being punished for their choice of Linux. While I understand that the meaning is that the price isn't higher than the Windows equipped laptop, the fact is you're being charged Windows prices for something that's available for $0.00.
much butter than the one I'm using now. With the larger screen you can make notes in the margarine and not just the body of the document. And what a spread(sheet) application! Video scrolls very smoothly pasturize as you watch full screen MooPGs and PowerPint presentations.
Many pundits have had a cow over this thing, some going so far as to declare it udderly ridiculous. Others believe it will saturate the market as readily as this reporter's pants and shirt. If the producers stick to their plans, this device should pound the competition within the next quart-er. Of course, that's provided they don't let this opportunity slip through their fingers. There is some concern about keeping up with demand and they may have to farm out some of the manufacturing to avoid a melt-down if things begin to heat up.
...given that I recently read an interview (dead tree) with the big Kahuna at Suse and he was going on about how they were doing so well since the German market (being substantially different from the American market) had embraced their distro.
While running cable at a new mall one local tech used a crossbow. The HVAC guys didn't think it was too funny when they found telephone cables piercing their flex-duct....
A couple other guys have used RC tanks on a much larger scale to do the same thing. Also good for crawl spaces - fewer spider bites.
Or how about soldering some nails to a 9 volt battery and stabbing someone in the heart with it. Happened in a prison my ex-roomate worked at.
I'd think he'd have to get his nails precisely positioned since they're so close together in order to have an effect in disrupting the purkinje network. Additionally, I would think the path of least resistance might occur anywhere along the length of the nails, falling far short of the heart itself. Also, the chances of hitting an intercostal space would require additional precision. IANAP (I Am Not A Prisoner), but all in all, I'd say it's not a likely scenario.
My finger slipped when handling a circuit board in high school electronics class. Got a nice belt of 225V before the circuit breakers blew.
Flashback! I had a rather sadistic electronics teacher in Jr. High. He had two forms of punishment.
Clip you to the magneto and someone else would give the crank a whirl.
Put your tongue on a screwdriver stuck in one of the holes in a distributor cap that was wired to a capacitor that discharged through the cap. You had a one in six chance of getting nailed. Depending on the severity of the crime you had to go through x discharges (which made a loud click and most guys jumped whether they got juiced or not). You were allowed to move the screwdriver each time. One poor kid got zapped the first time and moved the screwdriver only to be zapped again. After the third time the teacher cut him some slack and didn't make him take the last two in a series of five.
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When colombian drug dealers killed DEA agent, Kiki Camarena, the DEA broke down every suspected drug dealer's door with or without evidence of any crimes.
That works against a group with a profit motive. That's not what's at work here. You do that with terrorists and you only feed their delusions. You nail the responsible parties with as little collateral damage as possible and you stand a decent chance of winning the war for the mindset of people (not necessarily governments or special interest groups). If that doesn't happen you spawn a new generation that looks upon the loss of 50k lives as "justifiable".
We want swift retribution because it'll make us feel better..... momentarily.
Question: would you be willing to trade your personal privacy for maybe some further measure of security from terrorists? Would you grant the people running Carnivore greater rights into your life in order to perhaps prevent more events like this?
Carnivore can't sniff out an organization whose plans are made on the backside of the desert. I doubt they use the internet for anything more than propaganda. They don't plot attacks over cell phones. They're smart.
The news agencies keep talking about how this had to be a sophisticated, well funded attack. No. It was well planned, but very low tech. No foreign investments in military equipment were needed. The coordination was set by the Airline schedules (probably why they didn't fly America West), not the atomic clock synchronized on their IBM built Linux watches.... Well funded? How much do airline tickets go for these days? Did they have to build bombs? No, Take off on a transcontinental passenger flight that departs near your target and you have more fuel than Timothy McVeigh would know what to do with. Very low tech. Very inexpensive (in terms of return on investment). Very well thought out.
When we begin to live in fear, we have betrayed the principles of our very country.
On this we agree.
But what is obvious to me is that we must rise above this, we must not live in fear....
I agree. That means that we don't sink to their level to the point that innocent lives in the scores of thousands are willingly sacrificed to make our point. That's not "rising above" this. We can't be willing to stoop to their level in terms of losing our humanity. If we do, we are worse than they are because we aren't as smart. This was planned with patience. Targets were chosen because of the massive losses in terms of human life, but also because they knew the symbolic and actual damages that would be done to our country.
The trade center was a seat of commerce, literally and figuratively. They struck us in the pocketbook, literally and figuratively because we put so much stock in our economic prowess.
The airlines (most people just see this as a tool, but I think it was a target as well) offered us a sense of connectedness that email and telephones can't give. We felt safe about our domestic flights and security was minimal when compared to international flights. This too was a strike at commerce since much of air travel is business related. Now all the overnight package delivery services are grounded as well. They struck us there because we felt safe.
The pentagon is the seat of our military power. They struck us there because we take great pride in our military strength (not necessarily the same as our role as international policemen).
We pride ourselves on being the strongest economically and militarily and believe that we are somehow safely insulated from this very sort of thing, and that is precisely where we were hit. Literally and figuratively.
I am sure that the majority of the American people don't have the stomach to retaliate in kind. There are some who will not be satisfied with the lives of the responsible parties as the numbers just don't come out evenly. It's harder to wage a war against terrorists because they don't have borders. You can't reduce their infrastructure to rubble because they, like parasites, live off the infrastructure of a host country. In this case, with such a devastating loss of lives, I would think our government would view any host nation's refusal to give up the engineers of this plot as an act of overt aggression on the part of that government. An act of war.
Ghandi wouldn't even be a footnote in history if he were dealing with someone who didn't care about what others thought of their country/group/movement.
The US has recently weighed in massively on the side of Israel, and done nothing to help the Palestinian victims of Israeli terror attacks.
The Israel/Palestine issue is a two-way street. Don't make it sound so one-sided.
Peace has worked in the Middle East before, and if the US campaign of violence and intimidation against the Palestinians stopped, it might work again.
What US campaign of violence and intimidation against Palestinians? Whose propaganda have you been reading?
My capital has been repeatedly bombed by extremist terrorist groups for many years now. I support making peace with them, conceding to some of their demands, and releasing their captured prisoners of war from our jails.
I'm sorry that has happened. So are many other people. There are probably a great number of people that would rejoice at the news (regardless of which capital you refer to).
Concessions are for negotiations between reasonable parties. The only thing concessions teach terrorists is that terrorism works very effectively.
First, this is many orders of magnitude beyond a car bomb in front of a Department store.
Second, if things happen repeatedly there, you don't have the answer.
Third, how would you go about making peace with someone who literally views your entire nation as "The Great Satan?" You can only reason with reasonable people. These acts clearly show that the perpetrators are anything but reasonable.
You could accomplish the same thing without chopping up the furniture by sitting on one of those inflatable exercise balls. They come in several sizes to fit different bodies.
OTOH, there is no way that I can look at you and be certain that I know what's in your heart, or what your relationship to God is.
I'm not sure I can agree fully with that. I think I understand what you're saying, but one can observe what importance people place on different things and make a determination as to where their priorities lie. Besides, Scripture says that you will know them by their fruits. Sure, there will be different degrees of "success" in following a particular teaching, but the earmark will be a consistent "pressing toward the mark".
I doubt very much that I will ever find a person whose actions conform completely to my understanding of what God wants.
I think most people have some inconsistencies whatever their belief system. Sometimes a liberal politician will come down on the conservative side of a particular issue, and sometimes a conservative will make liberal noises, but our society (or the press) puts a label on them based on their consistencies, not the occasional inconsistency.
Or, to put it more succintly, "man looks at the outside appearance, but God looks at the heart."
I think Christians sometimes miss the point in interpretation of scripture. There are people whose actions are consistently against a belief system whether Christian, Muslim, or whatever that we may not be able to place into a catagory, but we can remove them from various categories with some certainty. The quote you use is a two-edged sword. I'm sure you've run across those who justify their vices by saying, "God looks at the heart." I think the application could also be that you can fool people.... but never God. If you couple that passage with the one about those who cry, "Lord, Lord" and list their accomplishments (which sound pretty righteous to most Christians) he looks at their hearts and says "Depart." The implication is that God can see hypocrisy where we cannot. Whatever your ideals/ethics it is human nature to try to hide the hypocritical deviations and trumpet the successes. Because of this, the ability to judge the contents of the heart would be far more useful in laying bare the hypocrite than determining the righteous.
I don't think "Christian" means anything anymore as it has been so diluted by those who claim to be adherants yet do not follow the teachings. In fact, the term was originally used as a demeaning label by those outside of the faith.
Yes, there are professing Christians who are also gay.
Sure, there are those who "profess" any number of things, but that doesn't make it so. There are "professed" Christians who have murdered their own families and have no remorse. I can profess to be a black female but others can, by observation, counter that I am a white male and they would be right.
Actually, the Desktop itself (KDE, GNOME, etc.) is superior. I can have multiple desktops that I bounce between, giving me far more space than a Windows machine. X is stable now. I've got icon shortcuts like windows, a better taskbar, a pair of googlie eyes (reference predates google) for helping me find my cursor It's the applications that are lacking and aside from the MSOffice suite, very few of those are from MS (originally). It really depends on what you want to do as to whether Linux is "ready" for the "desktop" (and how you define those quoted terms).
.doc and .xls files.
Some of the open source stuff is getting close to reasonable levels of compatibility with the Office products. The KDE apps still choke on MS stuff, but StarOffice does a decent job of importing
This statement confuses me. Have you met many homosexuals who force their views on you? How do they do this? "You must convert or we will kill this very cute puppy!"
Boy, if they did, I'd turn 'em in to PETA. Then we'd see who has a "radical agenda!"
Could you ellborate a bit more how "the homosexuality community tries to force their views on" you?
I don't propose to speak for the individual you are addressing, but isn't that what the community is trying to do with the Boy Scouts? The Supreme Court has ruled that the BSA is within their rights to hold the views that they do and to act accordingly. The homosexual community has launched organized campaigns to defund the BSA by putting pressure on corporate and charitable sponsors unless it meets their demands.
...when Jesus Christ died, the Law of Moses died with him.
Actually it was the ceremonial law, the sacrifices, washings and various types of offerings that were done away with. The civil and moral laws were not rescinded. These are actually reinforced in the writings of the Apostles.
I believe somewhere in the bible it says love the sinner but hate the sin (or something like that).
You can believe that if you'd like, but it isn't there - not in so many words. "Love thy neighbor as thyself" should cover the 'Love the sinner' aspect and hating evil should cover the 'not the sin' portion. You'd be surprised how many people think that actual statement (love the sinner but not the sin) is in the Bible along with "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" and "God helps those who help themselves".
Please, i'm going to ask nicely, dogmatic statement of presupposed and preconcluded ideas or opinions as fact has no place in a "discussion" forum.
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...the same type of drone that was shot down over Iraq (last week)? Don't know if it's the same size, but it certainly has the same form. So when the article says it has "cutting edge technology usually seen in military aircraft" wouldn't that be because it's essentially the same plane (sans whatever super-duper top-secret military stuff the mfg. wasn't allowed to include)?
The author said 30 minutes going from Sydney to Melbourne, which is far from going halfway around the world.
Kinda depends on which direction you go doesn't it?
Would extending the length of a plane actually prevent a sonic boom?
Given a sufficiently long plane, sufficiently long flight and sufficiently fast passengers you could have the passengers board in the rear and run toward the front during the flight. This could allow the aircraft to fly a teensy bit sub-sonic and have the passengers moving at or above the speed of sound. Whether individual passengers would now emit sonic booms would depend on what was being served as an in-flight meal in coach.
Right! And to add insult to injury the reviewer says that the buyer isn't being punished for their choice of Linux. While I understand that the meaning is that the price isn't higher than the Windows equipped laptop, the fact is you're being charged Windows prices for something that's available for $0.00.
much butter than the one I'm using now. With the larger screen you can make notes in the margarine and not just the body of the document. And what a spread(sheet) application! Video scrolls very smoothly pasturize as you watch full screen MooPGs and PowerPint presentations.
Many pundits have had a cow over this thing, some going so far as to declare it udderly ridiculous. Others believe it will saturate the market as readily as this reporter's pants and shirt. If the producers stick to their plans, this device should pound the competition within the next quart-er. Of course, that's provided they don't let this opportunity slip through their fingers. There is some concern about keeping up with demand and they may have to farm out some of the manufacturing to avoid a melt-down if things begin to heat up.
...given that I recently read an interview (dead tree) with the big Kahuna at Suse and he was going on about how they were doing so well since the German market (being substantially different from the American market) had embraced their distro.
While running cable at a new mall one local tech used a crossbow. The HVAC guys didn't think it was too funny when they found telephone cables piercing their flex-duct....
A couple other guys have used RC tanks on a much larger scale to do the same thing. Also good for crawl spaces - fewer spider bites.
You may want to view the web site with the aid of the bable fish [altavista.com].
Why would you want to do that when you could just have sent them directly to their english page for the helicopter?
Or how about soldering some nails to a 9 volt battery and stabbing someone in the heart with it. Happened in a prison my ex-roomate worked at.
I'd think he'd have to get his nails precisely positioned since they're so close together in order to have an effect in disrupting the purkinje network. Additionally, I would think the path of least resistance might occur anywhere along the length of the nails, falling far short of the heart itself. Also, the chances of hitting an intercostal space would require additional precision. IANAP (I Am Not A Prisoner), but all in all, I'd say it's not a likely scenario.
My finger slipped when handling a circuit board in high school electronics class. Got a nice belt of 225V before the circuit breakers blew.
Flashback! I had a rather sadistic electronics teacher in Jr. High. He had two forms of punishment.
Clip you to the magneto and someone else would give the crank a whirl.
Put your tongue on a screwdriver stuck in one of the holes in a distributor cap that was wired to a capacitor that discharged through the cap. You had a one in six chance of getting nailed. Depending on the severity of the crime you had to go through x discharges (which made a loud click and most guys jumped whether they got juiced or not). You were allowed to move the screwdriver each time. One poor kid got zapped the first time and moved the screwdriver only to be zapped again. After the third time the teacher cut him some slack and didn't make him take the last two in a series of five.
You are confusing ESD with EMC
I just can't keep up. I know about RMS and ESR, but who are these new guys?
In most areas you have to PAY ....
And what was it about the word "FEE" that you didn't understand?