.....It is also nice to know that the People have moles in governments and in corporations. Kudos, to whoever you are.
Sad state of affairs that it is required, though.
There is a fine tradition of the australian public servant leaking.
Generally leaks are by the the government of the day to test a policy if the public "raises a stink" it is quietly dumped these are "controlled leaks".
That may be what is happening here.
The "uncontrolled leaks" are were a public servant/s in very high position get annoyed and want to influence things. - thats the good stuff
................. The Christian senator pushing the filters got in with less than 1000 primary votes. Most likely he got a lot of preferences because of the number of worse sounding groups on the senate ballot paper.
Please mod last post up - insight.
if you want to know why this happening the above explains it in a nutshell. We have some christian loony in the senate who wants to remove porn from the internet.
I try to get to Wikileaks from my Australian (state) government computer, and I'm getting a error 504.
Exactly the type of stupidity that believes this filtering will serve any useful purpose, also believes that blocking wikileaks serves some useful purpose.....
now that you mention it I cant get wiki leaks from home Im getting the message "...... could not open the page âoehttp://www.wikileaks.org/â because the server is not responding."
....... In the upper house, the Senate, the Opposition (the coalition of the Liberal and National parties, that's practically acted like they're one and the same party for so long most just call them the Liberals or the coalition now) and minor parties currently hold more seats than the government, allowing them to block legislation.
Just to add...
both the House of Representatives and the Senate have the same powers the one difference is the Senate can not introduce supply bills.
The House of Representatives is elected using Preferential voting and the Senate is elected using proportional voting.
We must live in different worlds, maybe the people you work with have studied in America.
When I bought a prepaid mobile and was trying to activate the SIM card. The guy from India's accent was so thick , the vowels were not pronounced correctly and he was using words that I'm sure were not english.
Indianish ?
What should have taken 5 mins:- Name, Address, etc. took half an hour.
Sorry but you have $100k and you want to increase your security by wasting it on one highly secure pipe?
That is pretty sad. That money could be better allocated to toughen up systems or to employ spot checks on supposedly tough targets.
The truth is that almost no security breaches are conducted by cutting lines and intercepting the traffic (with the exception of satellite communications *cough* NSA *cough*).
Ultimately humans are the weakest part of the system, followed by the destination's security, and then last I'd say the transit between A->B.
You discount transmission interception too quickly I feel.
Echelon comes to mind and I believe alot of information is gathered this way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
Im not sure but I wonder if this could be used to defeat Echelon ?
So the NSW state police have been given the same powers that other state police forces/services and the Federal Police already have? Who cares?
As has already been pointed out, it's under the same type of arrangements as other Australian agencies are subject to: Court ordered warrants. Not just any court, but the Supreme Court of NSW.
When applying for a warrant, the police must provide convincing reasons to the judge, and the contents of these warrants come out in court if a prosecution results. Somehow I don't think "he looks funny" is going to cut it.
I think this is a reasonable use of police powers, with suitable checks and balances in place
basicly Mr yeldham was a pet supreme court judge that the police used when they wanted to do nasty things.
really juicy reading a quote " Mr. Yeldham, a retired supreme court judge in New South Wales committed suicide when he was subpoenaed to appear before a Royal Commission inquiring into police corruption and the protection of paedophiles."
[sarcasm warning]
What are you suggesting that they get denied there right?
every politician knows that if they serve the time they get the rewards.
Also for a lot of politicians its there retirement fund, imagine if they got caught doing something naughty and they had to go into a nursing home with the great unwashed - (the horror)
And last of all, why are politicians around the world so intent on destroying the last shred of privacy of the Common man under the guise of terrorism?
First USA (thanks Bush), UK, Australia, Germany and lastly even Canada.
Why?
This is because this society is on the decline, and our IP is the only true national asset left. Asia, China in particular is now the dominant manufacturer. India is producing far more doctors, scientists, and engineers then we are. A lot of people have decided to cash out of the system, and this is happening as a lot of early baby boomers are retiring.
Please mod the previous post as insightful
I cannot agree with you more. The economic fundamentals always work you need to produce a product or provide a service.
What product has been produced here ? What service was provided?
George what a nice reply, Did I get your title right ?
I can see your PR agent put a lot of effort into this. You might want to tell to present you with a little more compassion but on the whole its good work. I hope you paid your PR agent well. Do they get royalties' ?
The real issue I have is clipart was originally an add on to programs like photoshop, word etc. You paid the money and you got the clipart disk.
I am fine with that you make your money by selling to people who want that little bit extra.
What I dont like is your now saying I have to pay each time I use the clipart ? What your trying to do here is change the boundaries and turn print media into multimedia and that quite frankly is wrong.
People have tried to do the right thing but do to your greed you want more.
The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
This is not true. The idea that the police can prevent crime is what is causing many of these problems. The basic role of the police is to prevent vigilante justice after crimes have been committed, which is what would take place without police. If you want to cede all of your rights and free will, then go ahead and allow the police the power to "prevent crime", but that is neither possible nor a good thing for a free society.
wrong both times.
The basic role of the police is to enforce the law.
If you were a cynic you might say the difference between a criminal and the police is we pay the police protect us from the criminals.
I would disagree as police do occasionally have uses beyond this.
Slashdot Mirror
Fiber optic is upgradeable cables that give a speed of 100mbs now maybe able give speeds of 10 times that in the future.
http://www.cablesondemand.com/InfoID/331/RedirectPath/Add1/FolderID/669/InfoGroup/Main/InfoType/Article/PageVars/Library/InfoManage/Zoom.htm
My hope is that this will really mean fiber to home. With a fiber optic port in every house.
Kevin Rudd you may be a penny pinching, potty mouthed, god fearing politician but you may have done something right.
Wow, a fibre-to-the-home network by the same Government that wants to filter the internet out of existence.
you forget two words in your sentence ...
Wow, a fibre-to-the-home network by the same Government that wants to filter porn on the internet out of existence.
there I fixed it for you :-)
Can someone repost the article here as site is down -
slash dotted ?
Bloody Aliens
.....It is also nice to know that the People have moles in governments and in corporations. Kudos, to whoever you are.
Sad state of affairs that it is required, though.
There is a fine tradition of the australian public servant leaking.
Generally leaks are by the the government of the day to test a policy if the public "raises a stink" it is quietly dumped these are "controlled leaks".
That may be what is happening here.
The "uncontrolled leaks" are were a public servant/s in very high position get annoyed and want to influence things. - thats the good stuff
http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/2008/09/Leaks%2C-secrecy-and-cynicism.aspx
................. The Christian senator pushing the filters got in with less than 1000 primary votes. Most likely he got a lot of preferences because of the number of worse sounding groups on the senate ballot paper.
Please mod last post up - insight.
if you want to know why this happening the above explains it in a nutshell. We have some christian loony in the senate who wants to remove porn from the internet.
That's why I'm voting LNP tomorrow...the local labor mob in charge now are greedy commies; yeah I'm talking to you Bowen mayor Cr Brunker!
NO!!!!!!!
please... I'll even beg [beg]
If you can not vote labor, vote greens at least then you can have a clear conscience and a warm inner glow.
I do not want the cops to be in charge again.
http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Author/Home?author=Whitrod,%20Ray,%201915-2003
I least labor lies with a smile on their face.
(grama nazis are you happy ? correct syntax that time.)
The nationals, thats what LNP really are (the liberals in qld do not exist anymore), are a corrupt bunch of country bumpkins.
Wikileaks is working now - happy the good stuff is back.
maybe it was not blocked?
I feel bad for a few seconds.........
right this firewall thing has to stop what if they banned wikileaks for real ?
......
C'mon, that would involve work. This is a government department we're talking about here.
Mod this previous post up please.
I have done government jobs and work is not one of the requirements.
Message to Stupid Ivory towered white shoe brigade who are the most hypocritical bunch of wankers.
Australian Government FUCK OFF !!! I like viewing my porn.
Now I was quite happy for you to block Kiddy porn - I agree with you thats stuff is just wrong but lay off calm down even ......
the fact that you taking it up the arse from the chinese government doesn't mean you have to use there ideas
jesus man why did you have to block wiki leaks its were I got the best news from. [snif snif]
anybody know what the latest wikileaks cover names are ?
I try to get to Wikileaks from my Australian (state) government computer, and I'm getting a error 504.
Exactly the type of stupidity that believes this filtering will serve any useful purpose, also believes that blocking wikileaks serves some useful purpose.....
now that you mention it I cant get wiki leaks from home
Im getting the message "...... could not open the page âoehttp://www.wikileaks.org/â because the server is not responding."
http://www.wikileaks.org/
Holy Shit I'm being censored. Bastards
can other Australians try this please
Just to add ... both the House of Representatives and the Senate have the same powers
Not true. Treaties are confirmed by the Senate only, as are a few other things, like ambassadors.
actually in Australia the Executive council consisting of the Governor general and 2 Minsters confirms a treaty.
http://www.dfat.gov.au/treaties/workshops/treaties_global/bliss.html
and the appointment of ambassadors is made by the Governor General , who of course takes the advise of the government of the day.
http://www.gg.gov.au/governorgeneral/category.php?id=2
This is truly bizarre. Sounds like it's a law that's designed to be accidentally broken.
I don't think it'll stand up in any court. It's just wrong on too many levels.
It is bizarre. The question is, if this went all the way to the High court of Australia would they rule for or against this being enforced ?
Personally I don't know the High court is really vague when it comes to free speech.
http://www.comslaw.org.au/LeftMenu/FreeSpeechDefamation/tabid/59/Default.aspx
I am watching my country turn into a fascist police state before my eyes. .......
no our country has always been a fascist police state the internet is just allowing you to see what the government does behind the scenes....
Denying polictical figures a visa is a really good example apologies about the David Irving link. http://www.fpp.co.uk/Australia/Legal/ACLU130398.html
....... In the upper house, the Senate, the Opposition (the coalition of the Liberal and National parties, that's practically acted like they're one and the same party for so long most just call them the Liberals or the coalition now) and minor parties currently hold more seats than the government, allowing them to block legislation.
Just to add ...
both the House of Representatives and the Senate have the same powers the one difference is the Senate can not introduce supply bills.
The House of Representatives is elected using Preferential voting and the Senate is elected using proportional voting.
We must live in different worlds, maybe the people you work with have studied in America.
When I bought a prepaid mobile and was trying to activate the SIM card. The guy from India's accent was so thick , the vowels were not pronounced correctly and he was using words that I'm sure were not english.
Indianish ?
What should have taken 5 mins :- Name, Address, etc. took half an hour.
Next time I will register at a mobile store.
I suggest we leave them that way. It will reduce spam, and make Dell hire locally for their call centers.
Please mod this last post up please there is insight here.
I would welcome being able to understand what the person on the other end is saying.
Sorry but you have $100k and you want to increase your security by wasting it on one highly secure pipe?
That is pretty sad. That money could be better allocated to toughen up systems or to employ spot checks on supposedly tough targets.
The truth is that almost no security breaches are conducted by cutting lines and intercepting the traffic (with the exception of satellite communications *cough* NSA *cough*).
Ultimately humans are the weakest part of the system, followed by the destination's security, and then last I'd say the transit between A->B.
You discount transmission interception too quickly I feel. Echelon comes to mind and I believe alot of information is gathered this way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
Im not sure but I wonder if this could be used to defeat Echelon ?
What is really cool about a one time pad system is that its secure from end to end as long as the key is kept secret. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad
this technology allows the secure exchange of keys. so all you have worry about now is the human factor
Dear Mr/Ms syntax. (Whom it may concern)
Will have to employ you as a prove reader.
Did you understand the meaning or did some noise get in the way?
I'm not writing an english essay and I do not really care. I figure english is such a bastard of a language syntax does not not matter.
Did you ever feel pity for someone who could not see the forest for the trees?
kangaroo steak is yummy
(loading gun)
here skippy here skippy .....
So the NSW state police have been given the same powers that other state police forces/services and the Federal Police already have? Who cares?
As has already been pointed out, it's under the same type of arrangements as other Australian agencies are subject to: Court ordered warrants. Not just any court, but the Supreme Court of NSW.
When applying for a warrant, the police must provide convincing reasons to the judge, and the contents of these warrants come out in court if a prosecution results. Somehow I don't think "he looks funny" is going to cut it.
I think this is a reasonable use of police powers, with suitable checks and balances in place
Have you ever heard of THE YELDHAM SCANDAL? http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/health/yeldham.html
basicly Mr yeldham was a pet supreme court judge that the police used when they wanted to do nasty things.
really juicy reading a quote " Mr. Yeldham, a retired supreme court judge in New South Wales committed suicide when he was subpoenaed to appear before a Royal Commission inquiring into police corruption and the protection of paedophiles."
As a first step, the cops should target one of their own for secret investigation. Will they do it?
I agree with you, However there are two issues that come to mind
1) the mind set : police in australia will not arrest there own. http://blogs.news.com.au/news/crime/index.php/news/comments/policing_the_police/
2) Investigations into police can bring up more dirt then they can handle . http://www.theage.com.au/national/police-watchdog-sacks-own-investigator-20090304-8oic.html
How would Peter Costello or Nathan Rees react if they were targeted for such an investigation?
The investigators would be told to cease. The powers that be know that the damage would be too great.
Why don't the politicians confiscate the super annuation of corrupt politicians ? What prevents them passing such a law?
[sarcasm warning] What are you suggesting that they get denied there right? every politician knows that if they serve the time they get the rewards.
Also for a lot of politicians its there retirement fund, imagine if they got caught doing something naughty and they had to go into a nursing home with the great unwashed - (the horror)
And last of all, why are politicians around the world so intent on destroying the last shred of privacy of the Common man under the guise of terrorism? First USA (thanks Bush), UK, Australia, Germany and lastly even Canada. Why?
there bastards
They just want cash now.
This is because this society is on the decline, and our IP is the only true national asset left. Asia, China in particular is now the dominant manufacturer. India is producing far more doctors, scientists, and engineers then we are. A lot of people have decided to cash out of the system, and this is happening as a lot of early baby boomers are retiring.
Please mod the previous post as insightful
I cannot agree with you more. The economic fundamentals always work you need to produce a product or provide a service.
What product has been produced here ? What service was provided?
George what a nice reply, Did I get your title right ?
I can see your PR agent put a lot of effort into this. You might want to tell to present you with a little more compassion but on the whole its good work. I hope you paid your PR agent well. Do they get royalties' ?
The real issue I have is clipart was originally an add on to programs like photoshop, word etc. You paid the money and you got the clipart disk.
I am fine with that you make your money by selling to people who want that little bit extra.
What I dont like is your now saying I have to pay each time I use the clipart ? What your trying to do here is change the boundaries and turn print media into multimedia and that quite frankly is wrong.
People have tried to do the right thing but do to your greed you want more.
The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
This is not true. The idea that the police can prevent crime is what is causing many of these problems. The basic role of the police is to prevent vigilante justice after crimes have been committed, which is what would take place without police. If you want to cede all of your rights and free will, then go ahead and allow the police the power to "prevent crime", but that is neither possible nor a good thing for a free society.
wrong both times.
The basic role of the police is to enforce the law.
If you were a cynic you might say the difference between a criminal and the police is we pay the police protect us from the criminals.
I would disagree as police do occasionally have uses beyond this.