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The Men Who Fix the Internet

An anonymous reader writes "Remember all those undersea cables breaking? PopSci.com introduces John Rennie, who '... has braved the towering waves of the North Atlantic Ocean to keep your e-mail coming to you. As chief submersible engineer aboard the Wave Sentinel, part of the fleet operated by UK-based undersea installation and maintenance firm Global Marine Systems, Rennie — a congenial, 6'4", 57-year-old Scotsman — patrols the seas, dispatching a remotely operated submarine deep below the surface to repair undersea cables.' The article goes on to outline the physical infrastructure of the Internet, including some of its points of vulnerability."

162 comments

  1. Are you sure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do we know its not actually the women?

    1. Re:Are you sure? by fractoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On the internets?

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    2. Re:Are you sure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you? Some kind of feminist?

    3. Re:Are you sure? by davidphogan74 · · Score: 1

      We know it's mammals, at least. Or we can hope...

    4. Re:Are you sure? by Brickwall · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope, it's sharks - sharks I tell you! With frickin' lasers on their heads.

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    5. Re:Are you sure? by lavalamp70 · · Score: 1

      I thought Al Gore fixed it...

  2. Next time they sever their own fibers, by pecosdave · · Score: 1, Funny

    I suggest we leave them that way. It will reduce spam, and make Dell hire locally for their call centers.

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    1. Re:Next time they sever their own fibers, by davidphogan74 · · Score: 0

      Yeah, they better stop flying in techs from overseas to fix my printers.

      Er, wait. They use local techs.

    2. Re:Next time they sever their own fibers, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, it'll also cut US customers off from The Pirate Bay. Which would suit the rest of the world fine, as the RIAA and MPAA would then once more have a captive market of idiots to sell their monotonous trash to at absurd prices, and leave the rest of us alone.

    3. Re:Next time they sever their own fibers, by socsoc · · Score: 0

      Dell techs fix your printers? Wouldn't a printer vendor be a better source?

    4. Re:Next time they sever their own fibers, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dell is a printer vendor. Of course, their printers are pretty much just Lexmarks with a Dell label slapped on them...

    5. Re:Next time they sever their own fibers, by tg123 · · Score: 1

      I suggest we leave them that way. It will reduce spam, and make Dell hire locally for their call centers.

      Please mod this last post up please there is insight here.

      I would welcome being able to understand what the person on the other end is saying.

    6. Re:Next time they sever their own fibers, by Cowmonaut · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are a printer vendor.

    7. Re:Next time they sever their own fibers, by Cowmonaut · · Score: 1

      You must never travel *anywhere* then, possibly not even within your own state. Understanding someone with a thick accent is just something all adults need to learn to deal with. Nevermind that most of the time they speak better English than your neighbor, though they may have a hard time understanding you as its A) not their primary language and B) you probably don't enunciate clearly either.

      I spend about half of every day speaking with technical support departments, some based in the US, some in Poland, other in the Philippines, and yes a bunch in India. I've almost never had issues speaking with the person on the other line, or understanding what they are saying. Sure, they have accents but at least they don't mumble like I tend to.

    8. Re:Next time they sever their own fibers, by tg123 · · Score: 1

      We must live in different worlds, maybe the people you work with have studied in America.

      When I bought a prepaid mobile and was trying to activate the SIM card. The guy from India's accent was so thick , the vowels were not pronounced correctly and he was using words that I'm sure were not english.

      Indianish ?

      What should have taken 5 mins :- Name, Address, etc. took half an hour.

      Next time I will register at a mobile store.

    9. Re:Next time they sever their own fibers, by davidphogan74 · · Score: 1

      They've sold me a few hundred printers by now.

  3. Catchy job title... by Starteck81 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Grounds keeper Willie of the undersea cables, at your service.

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    1. Re:Catchy job title... by Joebert · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing no Simpsons fans have mod points today.

      I thought it was funny.

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    2. Re:Catchy job title... by Ihmhi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bonjoooour, ya cable-cutting sea monkies!

    3. Re:Catchy job title... by sharperguy · · Score: 1

      This sounds like a job for internet repair man... But how to change without revealing my secret identity?

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    4. Re:Catchy job title... by mordred99 · · Score: 1

      That or Larry the Cable Guy .. perfect job name :)

  4. Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The cables regularly fail. On any given day, somewhere in the world there is the nautical equivalent of a hit and run when a cable is torn by fishing nets or sliced by dragging anchors. If the mishap occurs in the Irish Sea, the North Sea or the North Atlantic, Rennie comes in to splice the break together.

    WTF are people dragging anchors around for? I would presume (and could be entirely wrong, as usual) that shallow water cable runs wouldn't be located next to anchorages. Do these sea going vessels have to stop for lunch or something?

    And why to we even allow fisherman to drag crap along the sea bottom? I thought industrial level trawling went out years ago?

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    1. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      First of all, there are a lot of stupid, and possibly drunk, sailors out there. second, this post is totally stupid in that the internet was designed to sustain damage, as such. So, why is this even a post on slashdot.....LAME.

    2. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Dragging an anchor isn't something you try to do. It's something that happens when the weather is more then the anchor can handle. Better to drag the anchor then to rip the anchor capstan off the boat. Funny how boats and cables both anchor near the shore ... you know, that place where people are.

    3. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You anchor down if it's stormy and you can't escape it. With strong currents or wind you might end up dragging the anchor. That's the only explanation I have.

    4. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Did you never waatch Pirates of the Carribean? I seem to remember the equivalient of a hand-brake turn using anchor.

      Perhaps they used an internet cable to stop

    5. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by BrokenHalo · · Score: 5, Informative

      You anchor down if it's stormy and you can't escape it.

      That's pretty much it. The last thing a skipper enjoys is to be pinned against a lee shore by a gale. If he can't get into the safety of deep water, dropping the hook is sometimes the only option. Sometimes, if his hook is too small or if its chain is too short for the wind/current load, it'll drag. It's not a fun situation to be in; I've been there.

    6. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, but. TFA seemed to indicate this was a rather common occurrence. So all of these commercial boats are losing their engines and being driven to shore routinely? Maybe somebody ought to be doing some preventative maintenance.

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    7. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by tcopeland · · Score: 4, Informative

      > Sometimes, if his hook is too small or if its chain is
      > too short for the wind/current load, it'll drag

      The interesting thing is that it's the weight of the chain that holds the anchor, not one of the flukes catching on something. A successful anchoring is when the anchor is on the bottom, in mud, and there are xx fathoms of chain piled up on top of it. Leastwise, 'twas so in my day.

      Once we were getting underway for a dependent's cruise and the CO was on the bridge and shouted "let's go!" and clapped his hands. An alert bridge talker heard him, misunderstood, and dutifully relayed "let go!" to the foc'sle. So the anchor was dropped about 100 yards off the pier (at 4-5 knots) and fun times ensued. The CO handled it well and had the grace to make a sheepish announcement a few minutes later on the 1MC. Good times.

    8. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by palegray.net · · Score: 2, Informative

      preventative maintenance

      For God's sake, it's preventive maintenance. Having served in the Navy, I can't count how many times I've seen this mistake.

      To address the issue at hand, the maintenance is done properly in the vast majority of maritime cases. Shit still happens, as Mother Nature tends to get rather moody several times a year.

    9. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      That's a good story :). Howdy from a guy who served on an SSBN; I've got some good stories too, but I'd get in trouble with the Feds if I talked about them.

    10. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only used in the most dire of situations, it's the nautical equivalent of "hit the brakes, he'll fly right by!".

    11. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Goffee71 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This site - PPC1 covers in detail a new cable project linking Australia to Guam and explains a lot of the hazards and work involved http://www.pipeinternational.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22&Itemid=66

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    12. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Mr+Tall · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't be so harsh. In English it's "preventative" maintenance. I would guess in US English it's "preventive" (I didn't know that, so thanks)

    13. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by smoker2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      O RLY ?

    14. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      My local street directory shows the submarine cables. Apparently this information is omitted from sea charts.

      Oh Wait... they probably just can't read.

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    15. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      Differences between UK and US usage occasionally ensnare me. My bad :).

    16. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by palegray.net · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry about that; I've been known to be ignorant of regional variations from time to time. I suck :).

    17. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by alecwood · · Score: 1

      And why to we even allow fisherman to drag crap along the sea bottom? I thought industrial level trawling went out years ago?

      And what made you think? Even scallop dredging is still big business (even in the US), and they're even less selective than trawling

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    18. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by ChameleonDave · · Score: 1

      Don't be so harsh. In English it's "preventative" maintenance. I would guess in US English it's "preventive" (I didn't know that, so thanks)

      I don't think you're right. It's not regional. Both forms are present in standard English, and I bet both exist in the US too.

    19. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by houghi · · Score: 1

      You think loosing an engine is bad? This is much worse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg

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    20. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by bob_jordan · · Score: 1

      I guess the cables have to come ashore somewhere and you can't plan ahead for where ships will be when gales hit.

      Come to think of it, I wonder how many cables go straight across the middle of the atlantic. Is it still possible to pick up the internet and slip the earth out?

      Bob.

    21. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well colour you humble.

    22. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's 'than', for fucksake.

    23. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do subs have anchors?

      PS - Thank you for your service. Serving on an SSBN is hard on sailors and their families, although the food is good.

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    24. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by nikki93 · · Score: 1

      It's "fuck's sake" for fucksake.

    25. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by tcopeland · · Score: 1

      > Howdy from a guy who served on an SSBN

      As the other commenter said, thanks for serving! That's hard duty.

    26. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      I thought industrial level trawling went out years ago?

      Nope - Not when there isn't anyone to enforce the laws.

    27. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Five+Bucks! · · Score: 2, Informative

      Factory freezer-trawlers are still in wide use. Portugal and Spain are always fishing on the Flemmish Cap of the Grand Banks just outside of Canada's 200 nautical mile limit.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_Cap

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    28. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by mrgodzilla · · Score: 1

      I think that is the excuse posited when the cable gets a visit from the USS Jimmy Carter.

    29. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by mikl · · Score: 1

      I'm American (although an admitted Anglophile), but I've never heard or used "preventive" - always "preventative"

    30. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      I'm not arguing against your point of view, merely pointing out that in my experience "preventive" tends to be more heavily used in US English, while "preventative" seems to prevail in Europe. Ah, the wonders of languages.

    31. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Factory freezer-trawlers are still in wide use.

      The real reason we need sharks with lasers. Big lasers.

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    32. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Gramie2 · · Score: 1

      Just like we have

      • "consult" => "consultive"
      • "represent" => "representive"
      • "commute" => "commutive" and
      • "argument" => "argumentive"

      Oh, wait....

    33. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by TheLink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think SSBN crew would actually be better for long term space missions than the Air Force people NASA seem to like.

      What do you think?

      The NASA keep doing all those psychological experiments to test how people will cope with long term space missions. Seems a waste of time and resources to me. Don't the US Navy already know all that stuff?

      I think it's easier to train a nuclear submariner to be an astronaut, than to train an airforce guy how to cope well with being confined in a metal can for months.

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    34. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look it up. Preventative is the adjective in both US and British English. Preventive is a noun. So, it preventative maintenance. Performing maintenance regularly is preventive.

    35. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

      yes

      the earth is really heavy.

    36. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      I completely agree. The first man in space was Alan Shepard, a Naval aviator. While he wasn't a subsurface-faring kind of guy, the Navy has historically contributed a lot of folks to the astronaut corps. I don't know how well represented submariners are in that group, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that there are quite a few bubbleheads who've gone into space :).

    37. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Matheus · · Score: 1

      eh? I'm quite solidly in the US and "preventative" is what I use and most everyone around me.

      According to dictionary.com and others the two words are exact synonyms for each other (each listed as an alternate spelling in the other)

      I would say this is more localized preference wise than across the pond. There is a myth that one is correct as an adjective and the other as a noun but that is a falsehood. That being said it is a common enough perception that it is actually taught by some teachers.

    38. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So shit happens no matter how tight you guys pack the fudge?

    39. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OS X Dictionary sez:

      USAGE Preventive is the standard form of a word that sometimes appears as the variant form preventative. Preventive is used much more often than preventative, a form that has been described by some traditionalists as a mere corruption.

      (this is, of course, a 'Merkin dictionary and unlikely to reflect reality on the other side of the pond)

    40. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they do. However, normally, when they go to use them, it's a 509/50 chance on if the chain stays attached to the boat. They hardly ever get used/tested, which means that sometimes, the chain doesn't stop falling out when you want it too.

      - Former SSBN Bubblehead

    41. Re:Make the damn fisherman get driver's licenses by vrt3 · · Score: 1

      Tiller's Rule: Never use a word in written form that you've only heard and never read. You will end up looking foolish.

      And vice versa!

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  5. They're nothing short of superheroes of the sea by Haoie · · Score: 1

    Because anyone can still whoop Aquaman's butt.

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    1. Re:They're nothing short of superheroes of the sea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because anyone can still whoop Aquaman's butt.

      No, it's because they keep the flow of pr0n running.

    2. Re:They're nothing short of superheroes of the sea by simcop2387 · · Score: 1

      and just HOW else did you think they whoop Aquaman's butt?

    3. Re:They're nothing short of superheroes of the sea by ^me^ · · Score: 0

      and just HOW else did you think they whoop Aquaman's butt?

      Godzilla Bukkake?

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  6. Seafloorskeeper Rennie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Upon being advised that the North Atlantic cable had been cut by another fishing boat, Rennie exclaimed "I dinna cry when me own father was hung for stealing a pig. But I'll cry now!"

    1. Re:Seafloorskeeper Rennie by somersault · · Score: 4, Informative

      That would be 'didna'. Dinna means don't. In fact let me fix that for you, Glaswegian style:

      I didna baw when ma da was chibbed fur nickin a pig, but am bawlin now :(

      Getting chibbed is of course being stabbed with a sharp implement, but it works better since we haven't hung anyone in Scotland for quite some time.

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    2. Re:Seafloorskeeper Rennie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Wullie disna baw.

      Wullie greets. Greets like a bairn inty his whisky mac.

    3. Re:Seafloorskeeper Rennie by sa1lnr · · Score: 2, Funny

      "we haven't hung anyone in Scotland for quite some time."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_City_Rollers

      It's a shame that some crimes go unpunished. ;)

    4. Re:Seafloorskeeper Rennie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From my years in Glasgow, I understood chibbing to be specifically getting cut on the cheek, the point being to leave a scar as a warning. You certainly used to see guys with a distinctive type of scar there...

  7. Is it worth it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    While there is loads of critical data that goes through these cables, I feel bad when these guys are working their asses off to make sure that 4chan or youtubes of a chimpanzee riding on a segway gets to its proper place.

    1. Re:Is it worth it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, and think that the world would be a better place if chimpanzees on segways were working their asses off to make sure that 57 year old Scotsmen got to their proper places.

    2. Re:Is it worth it? by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you suggesting that chimpanzees on segways be sent to the ocean floor to repair cables? Do segways even work underwater? Also, you'd have to design a special SCUBA suit for the chimps.

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    3. Re:Is it worth it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel bad when these guys are working their asses off to make sure that 4chan or youtubes of a chimpanzee riding on a segway gets to its proper place.

      Dunno, chimps on Segways maybe not, but an elephant making love to a rhino?

    4. Re:Is it worth it? by pbhj · · Score: 1

      No clippy I don't think he is.

    5. Re:Is it worth it? by somersault · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      chimp on a segway you say? Awesome :O http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pFv8CAniYQ

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    6. Re:Is it worth it? by nawcom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you suggesting that chimpanzees on segways be sent to the ocean floor to repair cables? Do segways even work underwater? Also, you'd have to design a special SCUBA suit for the chimps.

      Only on Slashdot would such a comment be modded +5 Informative. Only on Slashdot.

    7. Re:Is it worth it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's worse is that they are paid entirely in either internet money or spider drawings. A thankless career for certain.

    8. Re:Is it worth it? by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 1

      Only on Slashdot would such a comment be modded +5 Informative. Only on Slashdot.

      Only on Slashdot would a comment be modded +2 Insightful that was saying a comment was modded +5 Informative, which currently holds +2 Funny and has:
      30% Funny
      30% Overrated
      20% Offtopic
      Which had no Informatives... oh yea... "only on Slashdot...."

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  8. What about satellites? by thaddeusthudpucker · · Score: 1

    Aren't there enough satellites up that we wouldn't need undersea cables anyway?

    1. Re:What about satellites? by Shikaku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Latency is a huge problem with that idea buddy.

    2. Re:What about satellites? by fractoid · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are enough satellites up there that we can get *some* communications without cables. Those satellite links suck at the best of times, though - if nothing else they have horrible latency, and can't approach the huge bandwidth of an undersea cable full of optic fibres. Just like in your own apartment, wireless is cool for convenience and for when you have a kitten (or fishing trawler) messing with your wiring, but cabling is always faster and better for fixed installations.

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    3. Re:What about satellites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't there enough satellites up that we wouldn't need undersea cables anyway?

      Only if you want terrible latency. Think about the time it takes to transmit data to a satellite and then back again. Much, much slower than going through a physical cable.

    4. Re:What about satellites? by CharlieG · · Score: 4, Informative

      One HUGE propblem with satcoms, and why satcom pretty much went away for telephone - latency. A geosync sat orbits at 26200 miles (roughly), making a 2 way trip (up and down) a 52400 mile trip from point A to point B, or making it take a tad over .28 seconds. Now wait for your ACK to come back, another .28 seconds, and think about what you have. A slow, limited bandwith link. Generally, Satcoms have become used in one way "broadcast" type trasmissions (send the 30 minute TV show up, don't worry about the 1/4 second, as they are recording on the toher side) OR "Ad-hoc" communications, where you don't KNOW where the other station will be (a ship on the ocean, a TV news crew that is in Akron today, and Iowa next week, and even then, they try to keep the signals off the birds unless it's breaking news. You try to get it to a local affiliate, and land line it back)

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    5. Re:What about satellites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh those kids! Never had to work with a megabit satellite link connected somewhere in Africa and try to send VoIP to America, haven't you?
      The latency is not the only problem, there are magnetic storms, other satellites crossing into the sight of yours, bad weather, and so much other crap that I can't even remember.
      That is why we need thick undersea cables or all your beautiful iPhones and other gadgets will be rendered totally useless...

    6. Re:What about satellites? by ImYourVirus · · Score: 1

      Yeah but the lat sucks, don't forget the cost, and the fact that every time it rains you lose your signal, I'll pass on that, kthnx.

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    7. Re:What about satellites? by Brickwall · · Score: 4, Informative

      Iridium puts its satellites in low earth orbits to avoid the latency issue. It's geosynch orbits that are up high. But I do remember making telephone calls that went over geosynch satellite back in the 80's, and the latency is really annoying - you're never quite sure when the other person is finished talking, so you end up talking over each other, and having awkward pauses. When fibre became common, most telcos stopped using satellite.

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    8. Re:What about satellites? by CharlieG · · Score: 4, Informative

      Correct. I forgot to bring up the Low Earth Orbit Sat Phones (aka Iridium), which is another kettle of fish. The big problem there is limited channels, again, your not going to have the kind of bandwith you need for serious internet (note, I said serious, like multiple OC3 stuff).

      Interestingly, NATO, with all their Sats, and Iridium (Remember, the US Military basically keeps them in business) is re-looking at HF radio comms. Ultra high speed 24 bit DSPs, and other technologies are making them clearer and more reliable (less dependent on operator skill), and they have the advantage of working when you have a limited sky view

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    9. Re:What about satellites? by Atario · · Score: 1

      It makes you wonder why TV shows still do live interviews via geosynchronous satellite link. They're constantly running into this egregious delay problem (exacerbated by their processing on either end). Why don't they get with the times and Internet it?

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    10. Re:What about satellites? by alecwood · · Score: 1

      They do. That's why you see such low quality video feeds in a lot of news reports now - they're being sent by webcam/mobile phone standard transmission methods over the net

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    11. Re:What about satellites? by Fred_A · · Score: 4, Funny

      Obviously the fix would be to pull backup cables to the satellites instead of relying on that crappy wireless.

      Since planes don't have anchors, it would be failsafe.

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    12. Re:What about satellites? by pbhj · · Score: 1

      Aren't there enough satellites up that we wouldn't need undersea cables anyway?

      Aren't there enough pigeons that we wouldn't need over-sky satellites anyway?

    13. Re:What about satellites? by glwtta · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why don't they get with the times and Internet it?

      Oh, they do even better - they now have holograms.

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    14. Re:What about satellites? by genner · · Score: 1

      Since planes don't have anchors, it would be failsafe.

      I believe aerospace engineering will some day advance to the place where airplane anchors will be common.

    15. Re:What about satellites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for pointing out the obvious.. Sure am glad your on /. to clear up the confusion for us.

    16. Re:What about satellites? by sp3cialk79 · · Score: 1

      What about using carrier pigeon?

    17. Re:What about satellites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, just have to correct you here. The time delay of satellite link has no effect on the bandwidth. Provided the protocol is set up to handle the latency, you can get the full bandwidth through the link. With TCP, this means allowing a window size large enough to keep the pipe full, and making sure the timeouts are longer than the path delay. This is so that the sender gets the ACK before timing out.

      Where it does still have a nasty effect is on applications that need a lot of chat back and forth...each time you have to wait the full path latency to get the reply. So at the application level it will be slow...but this is a latency effect, not a bandwidth effect.

      For phones, the general experience is that one satellite link in a call is OK, two is unworkable. So the trick has been to make sure that really long hauls don't go through multiple satellite links.

  9. I don't know any facts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but my gut says your wrong.

  10. Why not use Satellites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Delay young padawan... delay.

    What's faster: radiowaves or data that travels the speed of light?

    1. Re:Why not use Satellites? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I might be walking into a woosh here; but radio waves are (or rather carry) data that travels at the speed of light(plus, the speed of light is higher in a vacuum than in fiber). What really kills you with satellites is the distance.

    2. Re:Why not use Satellites? by narcberry · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Satellites are cost effective if you are either:
      1. Reaching a broad audience with the same transmission.
      2. A large government with cryptic and voluminous bookkeeping designed to hide that you are at a loss.

      Just ask the satellite phone companies what happens when you have to listen to that broad audience too.

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    3. Re:Why not use Satellites? by narcberry · · Score: 1

      Oh forgot:
      3. Have absolutely no other way to accomplish something.

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    4. Re:Why not use Satellites? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are correct, grasshopper. The speed at which light or radio waves propagate in a medium is determined by that medium's index of refraction, which (as you stated) is 1 for a vacuum. A typical value for fiber is 1.47, so the signal in the fiber travels only 68% as fast as the radio wave in a vacuum. The distances involved with geosynchronous orbits, however, make up for that slower speed. In the time it takes the radio wave to reach the satellite (35,786 km / 300,000 km/s = 119 mS), the fiber signal could've circled the Earth 1.2 times (119 mS * 204,082 km/s = 24,286 km (Diameter of the Earth is approx 20,000 km).

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    5. Re:Why not use Satellites? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Oops - math typo. Diameter of the earth = approx 40,000 km, so in the time it takes the signal to reach the satellite the fiber has made it more than half way around. Alternatively, in the time it takes for the round trip to the satellite, the fiber signal has made it all the way around almost 1.5 times.

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    6. Re:Why not use Satellites? by Ernesto+Alvarez · · Score: 1

      Not the diameter, the circumference.
      The earth's diameter is more like 12000 km (40000/pi).

    7. Re:Why not use Satellites? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Doh!!! Double math fail! Sorry about that. The number is correct, the label is incorrect. That was my frist psot of the morning - I'll wait for the coffee to kick in next time.

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  11. Another underappreciated job by dwhitaker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is yet another example of the jobs which we rely on everyday but don't give much thought to. Also, this make me really think there is a great job out there to fit everyone. (When the economy improves that is.)

  12. 57-year-old Scotsman by martin-boundary · · Score: 4, Funny
    Gimme Terabit factor nine! Kirk to Engineering, I need more downloads, Scotty!

    Aye Captain, but I don't know if my poor cables will take more.

  13. the web != the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    ... and the article couldn't even get that right.

    Blech. For much more interesting reading, check out this classic:

    Mother Earth Mother Board

    1. Re:the web != the internet by Brickwall · · Score: 1

      You beat me to it, but I agree that Stephenson's piece is fascinating reading. Someone with points please mod parent up.

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    2. Re:the web != the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares that the web != internet, its the part that matters for most people.

  14. Stevens was right all along by Clancie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Holy crap! The Internet *is* a series of tubes! Evidence:Image from TFA

    1. Re:Stevens was right all along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy crap! The Internet *is* a series of tubes!

      No, the Internet is an insanely complex series of coper(cat5, cat5e, cat6, cable, telephone lines), glass(Fiber), and wireless(qpsk, 128qam 256qam, 802.16, 2.4Ghz, 5.8GHz, 900Mhz, licensed freq, etc).

      Recently I experienced a UDP flood based DOS that was 20MBps from a server in LA. It went over most of the distance via fiber, but I know it went over 40 miles via wireless(Dragonwave[256QAM], 802.11a, and 802.11b), 500 feet of fiber(single mode at 100MBps), and about 200 feet of cat5

    2. Re:Stevens was right all along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol... I'm so bitter--I gave up mod points earlier in the week to say something similar and *you* got the mod points. Guess that'll teach me to bI'll have to stop trying to be a kharma whore.

    3. Re:Stevens was right all along by glwtta · · Score: 1

      Oh, so you are saying it's not, in fact, tubes?

      Thanks for clearing that up.

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    4. Re:Stevens was right all along by Ant+P. · · Score: 2, Funny

      Those aren't series tubes, they're parallel tubes

  15. If you haven't read this already ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just in case some of you haven't yet read Neal Stephensons article "Mother Earth Mother Board" - you can read it here in the archives of Wired: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass.html

    It is one huge mother of an article - more like a smallish novel - dealing with the laying of the then longest undersea-cable and the history of cable-laying from the very beginning to 1996, when it was written. It is also a hugely enjoyable and highly fascinating read featuring, among others, some "Supreme Ninja Hacker Mage Lords of global telecommunications" (i.e., Kelvin and Graham Bell), a by now slightly nostalgic seeming hacker attitude and lingo and locales ranging from Malaysia to Egypt to Cornwall with general local weirdness included. Plus it answers just about any questions you might have about this whole business mentioned in the original post.

    1. Re:If you haven't read this already ... by martin-boundary · · Score: 1
      That article is a classic well worth reading.

      I actually subscribed to Wired at the time based on that article. Sadly, their regular content was nowhere near as good.

  16. Neal Stephenson's Mother Earth, Motherboard by trawg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...is a cool article up on Wired (look for the printable link option so it's all on one page) detailing an interesting adventure around the world and some of the history of undersea cables. Definitely worth a read.

    1. Re:Neal Stephenson's Mother Earth, Motherboard by Slashcrap · · Score: 1

      ...is a cool article up on Wired (look for the printable link option so it's all on one page) detailing an interesting adventure around the world and some of the history of undersea cables. Definitely worth a read.

      Getting a bit old now, but it is an awesome article. In fact it almost makes up for Anathem. Just add a few years of genital torture and we'll call it even.

    2. Re:Neal Stephenson's Mother Earth, Motherboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anathem rocked. Always reminds me of Abbott's Flatland for some reason.

    3. Re:Neal Stephenson's Mother Earth, Motherboard by ockegheim · · Score: 2, Informative

      This article details the building of the first transatlantic cables in the 1850s & 1860s. Definitely trickier to repair back then (lay another one)...

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  17. Vulnerability? by AHuxley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "The article goes on to outline the physical infrastructure of the Internet, including some of its points of vulnerability"

    Sean Gorman mapped out the US fiber-optic telco fiefdoms.
    Parts of his dissertation where "removed".
    http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/01/70040?currentPage=2
    Getting back to the popsci 'news'
    The part I find interesting is the use of 'hubs'
    Are hubs (fiber locations?) for cost savings, lazy design, best design for a shareholder when burning tax payers re nation building, collusion between telcos, easy NSA access ?
    What do other parts of the world do ?

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    1. Re:Vulnerability? by tqft · · Score: 4, Informative

      "What do other parts of the world do ?"
      The same thing

      "Are hubs (fiber locations?) for cost savings, lazy design, best design for a shareholder when burning tax payers re nation building, collusion between telcos, easy NSA access ?"
      All of the above
      At some point you need to connect network E from Elbonia to network P from PHiliBelphia and also networks a through z. This starts to get expensive real fast no matter how you do it. Doing it in one place lowers cost (hub) but focuses for a point of failure. As the article said - you can't get away from this. I like how they said the best way to prevent cascading network damage is to shutdown the "nearest" hub connections to the failed point to minimize the damage - like they do when the electricity transmission network or a generator goes off somewhere. It isn't optional and can't really be worked around - if you want random person E to get stuff from P then you need interconnects somewhere. Yeah you could do it with a lot (a real lot) of little interconnects all over the place - just don't and service them as your staff will always be in the field.

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  18. Shhh! by w0mprat · · Score: 1

    Fixed? Isn't the internet perpetually broken and therefore needing more investment in hardware and expertise?

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  19. My gut says maybe by Fizzl · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    And tell my wife hello if I don't make it.

  20. He was too embarrassed to admit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...That Dell techs fix his computer ...

    Slashdotters ain't what they used to be.

  21. Cool job by hdparm · · Score: 1

    I'd swap with this man if job is somewhere in South Pacific. Present location is a bit too cool.

  22. Re:Ah yes, Global Marine Systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um, it's a UK Company for starters.

  23. So this is the guy I need to send my users to by ItaliaMatt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everytime we have a connectivity hiccup I am flooded with calls from our users asking "Is the Internet broken?"

    It takes everything in my power not to say "Yes. The Internet is, in fact, broken"

    1. Re:So this is the guy I need to send my users to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about "No - not broken - he's just had one of his legs severed in an industrial accident".

    2. Re:So this is the guy I need to send my users to by relguj9 · · Score: 1

      Everytime we have a connectivity hiccup I am flooded with calls from our users asking "Is the Google broken?"

      It takes everything in my power not to say "Yes. The Google is, in fact, broken"

      fixed*

  24. Raw Shark by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 1

    As I looked at the photo in the article of this brave warrior-engineer, I thought "So this is the man who keeps the porn flowing."

    And I couldn't help but notice his underwater robot seems to have a mech penis. He even calls it "The Beast".

  25. Your doing it wrong by FridgeFreezer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From TFA:

    "If terrorists managed to gain remote access to a facility's command-and-control system, they could, for example, cause the generators to overheat and explode."

    If you can make a generator explode on command, you really are doing it wrong. Backup generators may be able to be remotely started, stopped, switched in/out and checked but you should not be able to do the equivalent of burnouts with them.

    Additionally, the article states that catastrophic failures would start to creep in after ~2 days of no human maintenance. WTF? Most exchanges and data centres I've been in are ghost ships 350 days a year aside from upgrades and config changes, how is it that such critical hardware can't tick over by itself for a month or so without going nipples skyward?

    Hell, the average telephone exchange, if you nuked everything around it, would be giving dialtone and DSL to the skeletons for at least a week, probably more depending on how much diesel is in the tanks.

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    1. Re:Your doing it wrong by muyla · · Score: 1

      I would guess the data center that you have been in are not thousands of miles away from the closes electrical output ;) That's such a cool job I'll try to apply for communication satellite maintenance.. or do they only hire vulcanians for this job?

    2. Re:Your doing it wrong by steelfood · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hell, the average telephone exchange, if you nuked everything around it, would be giving dialtone and DSL to the skeletons for at least a week, probably more depending on how much diesel is in the tanks.

      During the northeast blackout of '03, all of the utilities went out. Street lights, traffic signals, all went dark. Cell phone towers went out. There wasn't enough water pressure beyond 5 stories. There was gas, but no starter. But there was still a dialtone through the landline. And we could still make calls out, if our phone didn't require an external power source. Most of the handsets we use are cordless, but we have several of the simpler phones lying around for such emergencies.

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    3. Re:Your doing it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't radioactive skeletons communicate telepathically? I thought I read this in a manual somewhere.

      What would they even use telephone or DSL for?

    4. Re:Your doing it wrong by Renraku · · Score: 1

      Except for the EMP effects, of course.

      All electronics are vulnerable, but communication and power systems are especially vulnerable. This is due to the long-run copper wires that serve as antennas to pick up the flood of electrons. If nuclear war DID happen, the first two things to be affected would be the power grid and the communication networks.

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    5. Re:Your doing it wrong by FridgeFreezer · · Score: 1
      Sort of true - except (at least round here) all exchanges have lightning protectors on every single line from the outside that short any voltage spikes to ground and (mostly) protect exchange equipment. A direct lightning strike on a street or cable can still do damage and you'll probably have to change all the subs interface cards and re-cable the street in question, but the exchange itself is likely to survive.

      Granted a decent EMP blast near enough would kill it, but then I suspect if you're close enough for that to be a problem, it wouldn't be a priority :p

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    6. Re:Your doing it wrong by MilesAttacca · · Score: 1

      Yes. This is why I don't get why people don't appreciate the value (at least in redundancy) of having a land line around. I'm gonna miss that when I go off to a residence hall this fall; it's very new and has all the latest amenities, Ethernet to every room, but alas, good old landlines are too old to be useful and worth supplying (or worth demanding), right?

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  26. Awesomeness by grodzix · · Score: 1

    Really cool article. I wish there were more ones like this one instead of "What features would you like in new Apple toilet brush" or "Microsoft is still being ghey".

    I find it pretty amazing that it is possible to manage such complicated, global structure without any serious problems (yet). However, I still don't quite get it how they find where the cable got broken and how they fix it in the first place.

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    1. Re:Awesomeness by u38cg · · Score: 1

      IIRC correctly they just bounce a signal up the wires (I forget the details) and can measure to within a few miles where the break is that way. I imagine whoever caused the break will propbably 'fess up quite regularly as well.

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    2. Re:Awesomeness by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2, Informative

      Time-domain reflectometry using a Time-Domain Reflectometer.

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  27. Have the crew got NSA clearances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just wondering.

    Mayvbe they don't need them if they just install the 'upgraded' repeaters at suitable points.

  28. Shortwave anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I have a shortwave radio, I use it.. sometimes.

    Trouble is, BBC, radio netherlands, etc.. have pretty much stopped broadcasting to the the US, which means there are fewer english programs. (still a few) but I do get HAM operators, who, I trust, will relay anthing important.

    If something critical should happen, I'll still be informed, shortwave works when cables AND satelites are down. (albeit, I won't be able to watch "youtube")

    Indeed, 8 years ago, I had no tv or internet (hard times..) shortwave saved me from a lot of boring nights.. at least WBCQ, CBC (Canada) and the VOA are still on.

    I guess this is why spies still use it, it's reliable. (and yes, I've heard a few spy transmissions.)

    We depend too much on frail technology.

  29. My Girlfriend... by Twide · · Score: 2, Funny

    Makes me Fix the internet twice a week.

  30. Re:Brits look after infrastructure!? by couchslug · · Score: 1

    "Who is the idiot who put the brits in charge of such critical infrastructure?"

    Obviously not someone who drove a car with Lucas electrical systems...

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  31. Re:Brits look after infrastructure!? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

    I agree. The electrical systems on British cars refuse to work when damp or even vaguely moist, so why are they in charge of something that has 10,000V running on it for the amplifiers and will be _submerged_ in seawater???

    Grin 8-)

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  32. Are you sure you weren't talking to a Texan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy from India's accent was so thick, the vowels were not pronounced correctly and he was using words that I'm sure were not english.

    What makes you think he was Indian?

    All the Indians I know speak better English than the average American. In fact they sometimes use English words most Americans don't know, but should. Like "obviate" and "simplex" for example.

    The Philly B-boys on phone support around here always tell people they are in India. Cracks me up, they don't sound anything like Indians.

  33. Because pr0n is so much more important than food! by Medievalist · · Score: 1

    WTF are people dragging anchors around for?

    They are doing it to piss you off and wreck your Internets. It has nothing to do with a ten thousand year old industry that feeds millions.

    And why to we even allow fisherman to drag crap along the sea bottom?

    Dammit, Aqua-TSA should be monitoring every meter of sea-bottom! Stupid Obama is soft on terror!

    Don't take it personally, I'm just goofing on you.

  34. Backhoe in picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That machine looks awfully like a backhoe. Are you really sure that they are just fixing the cables?

  35. Off topic but... by daffy951 · · Score: 1

    ...I've always wondered how they put large cables in the seas in the first place..? A transatlantic cable for example, do they have a really really really long one or connect many shorter? ..Or do they manufacture it on the fly as they go? Anyone got a link with information about how these things work?

  36. All I can say..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is: THANK YOU GUYS!