Ok, but swap a hacker's desire for fun with a software companies
desire to make money without properly taking responsiblity for
securing their product
A lot of hackers have "fun" causing other people pain. It's weird, I've never quite understood how that actually works, but I've met plenty of people who just experience joy at doing damage.
Well sure, it is
my fault for using a stupid bank, and the hackers fault for committing
the crime - BUT SURELY the bank has to take some fault for making this
whole possible - right?
Yep, but not as much as people here seem to want to put on them. It's a lot easier to destroy than create;even the best systems will have some security flaws, no matter how good the creator is.
Re:Ununhexium weapons program, eh?
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You'd think that by 2056, we'd have come up with a real name for ununhexium:)
Yes we do, but all the PHBs and golf-playing beancounters who are in charge of everything right now don't seem to give a rat's ass about that. Even if they did, the last thing they want to do is give credit where credit is due, but rather to steal someone else's thunder and claim it for their own benefit while squashing the originator of the ideas.
Don't forget some of the people who actually have the talent throwing it away in exchange for money themselves? Greed works at all levels. Look at how many people with a natural aptitude for technology dropped out of college during the dot com boom to become code monkeys. Look at how many people respond to the frequent "Do I really need a college degree" Ask Slashdots with "no, I didn't go to college and I make a lot of money", as if that's the sole reason for actually going to college.
Good lord, is it some sort of secret? Man, I remember connecting to sunet when the only protocol I had access to was FTP, and that only via a text-based client. Someone gave me a list of a few FTP sites on a sheet of looseleaf, and sunet was one of the better ones.
Yep, I remember using ftp.sunet.se back in like 93 or so. I thought it was an institution.
Dictionary.com does not have neither the work nor the certifiable material. Just their own thoughts mixed in with the submissions of users. That doesn't make it fact, lol.
Dictionary.com indexes several legitimate reference works, and after entry will list the source of each definition. The only flakey source they list is the jargon file, but fortunately that will only come up with a small minority of searches. Not sure where you got the idea that it's based on either their own ideas or user submissions.
Would you hire an engineer to be the CFO of an advertising agency?
Sure I would, if they could do the job. I've met plenty of people who have jobs wildly different from their background. I've met JDs in marketing, MDs in sales, and engineers everywhere.
Probably not. So why hire a sales & marketing person to run a technical organization, who has no technical background?
You're assuming that if you're not in tech, you're in sales and marketing. There are other fields that exist, and running NASA means you have to a lot more than make technical decisions.
At some point, even the person who has the "best" technical people under him or her to provide advice has to make a decisions based purely on technical data. "I don't know, what do you think" at that point is not an option.
But you're never going to find someone with a sufficient background to be able to make all the different decisions. NASA just does too much stuff.
Plus you're missing the main question of my post, which was "why do you think the engineers aren't in charge now?"
Will the be bringing in real engineers? Real engineers, rather than bureaucrats, are the only way that NASA can be revitalized.
William Readdy, the first person named in the story, is an aerospace engineer. Michael Kostelnik, the only other person specifically mentioned, is a mechanical engineer. Why do you (and a lot of people) assume that NASA is run by bureaucrats, or that engineers can't BE bureaucrats, or that engineers are somehow wiser, nobler, and better able to run the agency than non-engineers?
I think he wants to dreamcast* the X360. Make everyone believe the PS3 can do much more and is just around the corner, no matter what it really can do or when it really launches.
That works. For a while, at least. It was Nintendo's strategy in every console since the NES, since Nintendo HATES developing new machines. The NES and Game Boy kind of spoiled them. It's surprisingly effective, but eventually it wears off.
DRM is the reason I don't buy music online, and it boggles my mind that the record labels are so myopic that they think crippling their product will improve sales.
I honestly don't get the way you're thinking. You seriously think selling freely copyable MP3s wouldn't reduce sales far more?
You have people telling us that we're evolved beings and yet on the other hand it's been taboo to even mention the possibility that an isolated group (or groups) of people may have evolved with more or less intelligence.
True, I'm way smarter than any of you. We should accept that openly.
You stand in a long corridor that runs north and south through the Covenant ship. Organic walls glisten wetly in the dim light, exuding an alien smell that assails your nostrils. To the east a large metallic door is set in the wall.
>i
You are carrying:
a plasma rifle
a shotgun
a fragmentation grenade
>look at door
The door is made of some strangely colored metallic substance. A red light set into the door indicates that it is probably locked.
>open door
The door is locked.
>unlock door
What do you wish to unlock the door with?
>plasma rifle
I'm sorry, I can't do that.
>n
The corridor branches here, heading east, west, and north. Far off in the distance you hear a dull roar and the sound of what appear to be explosions.
A sniper rifle is lying here.
Where did I say "talent"? I simply referred to them as relatively well-known actors, and considering both have headlined major movies I think that's accurate. And they're also both relatively well-regarded in terms of acting ability anyway.
And yet Blizzard who seems to constantly produce high quality games (or at least massively selling ones) uses no professional voice talent
That's just wrong. Blizzard uses professional voice actors. Look up their games on imdb, while some of the voices are done by Blizzard employees plenty are done by professional actors or voice actors. In fact, the more lines they have the more likely it is that a character is voiced by a professional.
Oh god, not this idiocy. Of course I damn well disagree with his statement, that's why I said it was wrong. If you're complaining because I don't preface every goddamn statement I make with "It is my OPINION that" then you're going to have to live with it.
I could care less about these guys. I'll buy games based on type and how it is reviewed, the last thing that would make a decision for me is if so and so voice actor was in it. It isn't like a movie.
I don't care who they get for the voice actors, as long as they're competent. And most people aren't competent to do it.
And as far as your sig goes, way to be a dick! What does being rich have anything to do with being smart. I know complete dumb asses who have a lot of money. Maybe some people are smart enough to know that tons of money doesn't guarantee happiness.
I put it in to annoy goddamn libertarian/objectivist/whatever the hell they are slashdotters who, when the subject comes up, whine that poverty only exists because people are lazy.
If a strike occurs, game players probably won't notice much of a difference, GamePro editor Sid Shuman says. "I think if you asked gamers what is more important, recognizable voices or prices not climbing higher, they are going to opt for lower prices."
He's completely and utterly wrong. I personally don't care about recognizing the voices, but I do NOT want to go back to the early days of PC games that used voices. They tended to sound as if the programmers or the programmers' friends did the voices themselves, and they were horrible. This Shuman guy doesn't know what he's talking about; even losing the rank and file guys is going to hurt games.
On a side note: Union actors lent voices to nine of 10 of last year's top video games, Oster says. That includes Halo 2, with Michelle Rodriguez,
David Cross and Ron Perlman
Halo 2 had an insane amount of relatively well-known actors, even in minor roles. In addition to the eminently hot Michelle Rodriquez and the others listed above they had Miguel Ferrer, Robert Davi, and Orlando Jones. Never figured out WHY, did they like have a huge voice actor budget that they just had to use no matter what?
What annoyed me were the condescending articles when the news came out about how this play was bringing the 25-35 male demographic in. The tone was always that this demographic was a bunch of culturally defective mouth-breathers, and it was a good thing they were finally getting exposure to high art. Ridiculous of course, Broadway musicals are definitely not high culture; the Broadway community used to recognize this, but now they seem to be getting inflated opinions of themselves.
It seems strange to me that the breath test is enough to convict someone. The police over here wont even take the test if you've had a drink within the last 20 minutes because it gives false readings.
I think that if you're from the UK you probably have a somewhat skewed perception of the spaces we generally operate in over here. If you're 30 minutes from a police station when you're pulled over, you have plenty of time to sober up beore you get there.
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Why did you capitalize "government beauracrats[sic]"?
Sounds like buying a cow because you want steaks and tossing everything else away. ...
You mean like slaughterhouses do?
So why bother to buy an AV company part of whose business is Unix systems?
Because it's only part of the business, like you said? They just want the other parts of the business.
Ok, but swap a hacker's desire for fun with a software companies desire to make money without properly taking responsiblity for securing their product
A lot of hackers have "fun" causing other people pain. It's weird, I've never quite understood how that actually works, but I've met plenty of people who just experience joy at doing damage.
Well sure, it is my fault for using a stupid bank, and the hackers fault for committing the crime - BUT SURELY the bank has to take some fault for making this whole possible - right?
Yep, but not as much as people here seem to want to put on them. It's a lot easier to destroy than create;even the best systems will have some security flaws, no matter how good the creator is.
You'd think that by 2056, we'd have come up with a real name for ununhexium :)
Wouldn't ununhexium just be hexium?
Yes we do, but all the PHBs and golf-playing beancounters who are in charge of everything right now don't seem to give a rat's ass about that. Even if they did, the last thing they want to do is give credit where credit is due, but rather to steal someone else's thunder and claim it for their own benefit while squashing the originator of the ideas.
Don't forget some of the people who actually have the talent throwing it away in exchange for money themselves? Greed works at all levels. Look at how many people with a natural aptitude for technology dropped out of college during the dot com boom to become code monkeys. Look at how many people respond to the frequent "Do I really need a college degree" Ask Slashdots with "no, I didn't go to college and I make a lot of money", as if that's the sole reason for actually going to college.
Good lord, is it some sort of secret? Man, I remember connecting to sunet when the only protocol I had access to was FTP, and that only via a text-based client. Someone gave me a list of a few FTP sites on a sheet of looseleaf, and sunet was one of the better ones.
Yep, I remember using ftp.sunet.se back in like 93 or so. I thought it was an institution.
Dictionary.com does not have neither the work nor the certifiable material. Just their own thoughts mixed in with the submissions of users. That doesn't make it fact, lol.
Dictionary.com indexes several legitimate reference works, and after entry will list the source of each definition. The only flakey source they list is the jargon file, but fortunately that will only come up with a small minority of searches. Not sure where you got the idea that it's based on either their own ideas or user submissions.
phrenologists [wikipedia.org] were just interested in lumps. I bet they loved oatmeal.
Of course you'd say that, you have the brainpan of a stagecoach tilter!
Would you hire an engineer to be the CFO of an advertising agency?
Sure I would, if they could do the job. I've met plenty of people who have jobs wildly different from their background. I've met JDs in marketing, MDs in sales, and engineers everywhere.
Probably not. So why hire a sales & marketing person to run a technical organization, who has no technical background?
You're assuming that if you're not in tech, you're in sales and marketing. There are other fields that exist, and running NASA means you have to a lot more than make technical decisions.
At some point, even the person who has the "best" technical people under him or her to provide advice has to make a decisions based purely on technical data. "I don't know, what do you think" at that point is not an option.
But you're never going to find someone with a sufficient background to be able to make all the different decisions. NASA just does too much stuff.
Plus you're missing the main question of my post, which was "why do you think the engineers aren't in charge now?"
Will the be bringing in real engineers? Real engineers, rather than bureaucrats, are the only way that NASA can be revitalized.
William Readdy, the first person named in the story, is an aerospace engineer. Michael Kostelnik, the only other person specifically mentioned, is a mechanical engineer. Why do you (and a lot of people) assume that NASA is run by bureaucrats, or that engineers can't BE bureaucrats, or that engineers are somehow wiser, nobler, and better able to run the agency than non-engineers?
I think he wants to dreamcast* the X360. Make everyone believe the PS3 can do much more and is just around the corner, no matter what it really can do or when it really launches.
That works. For a while, at least. It was Nintendo's strategy in every console since the NES, since Nintendo HATES developing new machines. The NES and Game Boy kind of spoiled them. It's surprisingly effective, but eventually it wears off.
DRM is the reason I don't buy music online, and it boggles my mind that the record labels are so myopic that they think crippling their product will improve sales.
I honestly don't get the way you're thinking. You seriously think selling freely copyable MP3s wouldn't reduce sales far more?
I hope we'll see more coders voicing their games then. Can't be worse than professional voice acting and leaves budget for QA and stuff like that.
Yes, it can be very much worse than professional voice acting. It usually is.
You have people telling us that we're evolved beings and yet on the other hand it's been taboo to even mention the possibility that an isolated group (or groups) of people may have evolved with more or less intelligence.
True, I'm way smarter than any of you. We should accept that openly.
A crisp twenty-dollar bill says Halo 3 is an FPS.
I bet it will be a text adventure.
You stand in a long corridor that runs north and south through the Covenant ship. Organic walls glisten wetly in the dim light, exuding an alien smell that assails your nostrils. To the east a large metallic door is set in the wall.
>i
You are carrying:
a plasma rifle
a shotgun
a fragmentation grenade
>look at door
The door is made of some strangely colored metallic substance. A red light set into the door indicates that it is probably locked.
>open door
The door is locked.
>unlock door
What do you wish to unlock the door with?
>plasma rifle
I'm sorry, I can't do that.
>n
The corridor branches here, heading east, west, and north. Far off in the distance you hear a dull roar and the sound of what appear to be explosions.
A sniper rifle is lying here.
>take rifle
You can't carry that much.
>drop shotgun
You drop the shotgun.
>take rifle
You pick up the sniper rifle.
Where did I say "talent"? I simply referred to them as relatively well-known actors, and considering both have headlined major movies I think that's accurate. And they're also both relatively well-regarded in terms of acting ability anyway.
And yes she is hot.
Unless the resources required for two life forms is remarkably different
Like if, for example, one species lives on dry land and the other lives far below the surface of the ocean, you mean?
And yet Blizzard who seems to constantly produce high quality games (or at least massively selling ones) uses no professional voice talent
That's just wrong. Blizzard uses professional voice actors. Look up their games on imdb, while some of the voices are done by Blizzard employees plenty are done by professional actors or voice actors. In fact, the more lines they have the more likely it is that a character is voiced by a professional.
No, you disagree with his statement.
Oh god, not this idiocy. Of course I damn well disagree with his statement, that's why I said it was wrong. If you're complaining because I don't preface every goddamn statement I make with "It is my OPINION that" then you're going to have to live with it.
I could care less about these guys. I'll buy games based on type and how it is reviewed, the last thing that would make a decision for me is if so and so voice actor was in it. It isn't like a movie.
I don't care who they get for the voice actors, as long as they're competent. And most people aren't competent to do it.
And as far as your sig goes, way to be a dick! What does being rich have anything to do with being smart. I know complete dumb asses who have a lot of money. Maybe some people are smart enough to know that tons of money doesn't guarantee happiness.
I put it in to annoy goddamn libertarian/objectivist/whatever the hell they are slashdotters who, when the subject comes up, whine that poverty only exists because people are lazy.
From the article:
If a strike occurs, game players probably won't notice much of a difference, GamePro editor Sid Shuman says. "I think if you asked gamers what is more important, recognizable voices or prices not climbing higher, they are going to opt for lower prices."
He's completely and utterly wrong. I personally don't care about recognizing the voices, but I do NOT want to go back to the early days of PC games that used voices. They tended to sound as if the programmers or the programmers' friends did the voices themselves, and they were horrible. This Shuman guy doesn't know what he's talking about; even losing the rank and file guys is going to hurt games.
On a side note:
Union actors lent voices to nine of 10 of last year's top video games, Oster says. That includes Halo 2, with Michelle Rodriguez, David Cross and Ron Perlman
Halo 2 had an insane amount of relatively well-known actors, even in minor roles. In addition to the eminently hot Michelle Rodriquez and the others listed above they had Miguel Ferrer, Robert Davi, and Orlando Jones. Never figured out WHY, did they like have a huge voice actor budget that they just had to use no matter what?
What annoyed me were the condescending articles when the news came out about how this play was bringing the 25-35 male demographic in. The tone was always that this demographic was a bunch of culturally defective mouth-breathers, and it was a good thing they were finally getting exposure to high art. Ridiculous of course, Broadway musicals are definitely not high culture; the Broadway community used to recognize this, but now they seem to be getting inflated opinions of themselves.
Google will never, ever come anywhere close to the importance of Bell Labs. Ever.
And I can't think of a single real innovation that came from Google. What, a really effective way of indexing web pages? That's not innovation.
Who would pay $50,000 for a stolen Torah?
Someone who had their Torah stolen by someone else? It's a vicious circle.
It seems strange to me that the breath test is enough to convict someone. The police over here wont even take the test if you've had a drink within the last 20 minutes because it gives false readings.
I think that if you're from the UK you probably have a somewhat skewed perception of the spaces we generally operate in over here. If you're 30 minutes from a police station when you're pulled over, you have plenty of time to sober up beore you get there.