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Kutaragi Thumbs Nose At Other Consoles
Ken Kutaragi thinks very highly of the PS3. So much so, that he is once again badmouthing his competitors in the press. From the article: "This time, Microsoft has stated clearly that it is going after PlayStation. However, they're going not after the PlayStation 3, but the PlayStation 2. They were looking at 2, and that's why [Xbox 360] became like that". And by "that", he probably means crappy. I'm just guessing.
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Well, whatever. I'll probably buy one of PS3/360/Revolution, but not until games I'm interested in stop coming out for my PS2 and one of these is out and gets a lineup I'm interested in.
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Summary : company slags rivals.
The actual article is devoid of any real news.
The article is flaimbait, ( it's written in that tone too) to stir up game console discussion before each is released.
That guy goes on about how you can compare the PS3 to the XBOX 360 on specs, and how we should ahve seen the E3 presentation, but...didnt they had to do those with computer hardware cause the real hardware is still not finished?
These people should really shut up and start badmouthing themselves once they actually have some real product to gloat about...
"This time, Microsoft has stated clearly that it is going after PlayStation. However, they're going not after the PlayStation 3, but the PlayStation 2. They were looking at 2, and that's why [Xbox 360] became like that". And by "that", he probably means crappy. I'm just guessing. Soooo.... He's saying that the PS2 is old and lame already,... but the 360 comes out year's end, while the PS3 is a long way off. I think Sony should have him shot.
From the article: "We're not sure we completely understand what he's on about, in all honesty, but it's clear that the emphasis is on calculators." No?! Really, they use math in computer games?! WOW this must be the REAL thing! What a revolution this will be!
"Luis Cypher"
Hmm Weren't you in this one?
"I hate temporal mechanics." -- Miles O'Brien, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
with MS shitting all over the place, it's about time they hit back!
...just keep hyping yours and putting others down, that way you'll get press and people start believing you.
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So you're suggesting calling XBox 360 something like XBox 2000, or XBox ME?
360 sounds cooler, but you may have a point...
Why should that Ken Kutaragi dude like M$ more than the average computer user or /. visitor?
Personally, I never understood why I should justify the purchase of a single console when I have all of them.
All he's trying to do is delay your decision so insted of 'must have xbox in september' you say 'I'm going to wait for the PS3 to come out too, and then decide which one to get'.
If he can do that, he's done his job...
And by what I've been hearing people say, he's suceeded. If there is a shadow of doubt come xbox's launch in your mind, he's done what he needs to do.
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And this:
But what did they get to see? I didn't go to E3, but from what I've read it seems Sony mostly showed pre-rendered footage.Ken comes off as a guy who cares about winning and is ready to say anything to help make that happen. What's not to like about that? Speaking for myself, an American, I think winning is more fun than just about anything not required for continuation of the human race.
I'm an Xbox fan. I have all three consoles, but I feed more games to my Xbox than the other two consoles combined. I like the games that come out, I like the graphics and I like (love) the sounds (I bought my first DVD player way back when to get Dolby Digital; letterboxed movies were a secondary consideration). I went so far as to wait for its Xbox release before playing the latest GTA game - I've had to fight off some withdrawal-type symptoms, but I made it.
All the above being true, I want to hear MORE Xbox 360 slams from Mr. Kutaragi. He makes me smile...and not in an ironic, "oh look at the silly monkey" way. No, he entertains me the same way one of the aforementioned Xbox-playing sports stars does when he goes crazy and guarantees a win or puts down an opposing team. It's just plain fun.
Even his incoherent ramblings about the PS3 and Cell are a blast. I mean, come on: "However, if you look closely, the difference between things that are being calculated and things that are simply being changed and moved is clear." I, for one, will be less than a foot from my TV screen when I eventually hook up a PS3 just to see the amazing differences between motion capture and the magical Cell real-time calculations. I LOVE IT!
Ken, you're out of your mind and I can't get enough. Go, man, go!
PS- I get similar tingles when one of the Nintendo nuts goes on and on about their magical gameplay. You know, because giving Mario a water cannon revolutionized (apologies) gaming. :)
His entire sales pitch is to show off pre-rendered movies, on the basis that the real game might look nothing like this but might feature this is a rendered cut scene. And slag off the opposition rather than extolling the (as yet non-existant) qualities of your own (as yet non-existant) hardware.
:)
Christ last time I heard that line of arguments was in a school playground (before they allowed guns
J Allard (and Nintendos equiv) has been much more mature, raising the profile of thier own machines. Selling their machines, not slagging off competitors
CJC
The whole next-gen console war is so overblown. Every company takes themselves so seriously and resorts to insulting each other like a group of jealous seventh grade girls fighting over boy band members. Somehow, I get the feeling that these consoles are not going to revolutionize the living room and provide a fully synergistic entertainment experience like they all claim to be doing. I guess the console market has always been a bit juvenile (recall the Genesis' "blast processing" claims). I guess since I am much older now, I see these squabbles as mere publicity stunts.
MS or Nintendo didn't have actual hardware at their demos, so surely the comment applies to all 3?
The Saturn did horribly in the US.
The Xbox did horribly in Japan.
The Saturn caused Sega to lose a lot of money.
The Xbox caused Microsoft to lose a lot of money.
Sega releases their nextgen console only four years after their previous console.
Microsoft releases their nextgen console only four years after their previous console.
What happens next?
Microsoft showed an empty box as well, but they had playable demos running on G5s. They were the most forthcomming and honest of the three.
The reason I singled out Sony was because the PS3 show was contrived and pre-rendered. It showed the press exactly what it wanted to see. It was headline bait, and it worked. This is just further headline bait.
I don't dispute the fact that the PS3 will be the most powerful platform out there. I just don't think it will be near the quality presented at the show.
Which, I understand, is kind of their job. But why can't they praise themselves - and provide actual evidence to justify that praise - instead?
What it comes off like is they're running scared. It feels like they've got nothing but pre-rendered stuff and a past track-record of overpromising and underdelivering and now they keep on just saying shit like "ours is sooooooo much better. Reeeeeeealllly better. Soooooooo. Muuuuuuuuch. Beeeeeeeeeter!" and waving their hands around nonsense numbers and specs.
Personally, this amount of hot air and handwaving with *zero* real data to back it up at this point is making me think there are some real problems with the PS3 that they're hoping they can hype over.
Of course, everyone's hyping their stuff - but, in the case of the original XBox, I really feel that they lived up to what they promised and delivered a damn fine system - so (ironic, isn't it?) I guess I trust them a little more than Sony who lied their asses off, didn't live up to what they promised, even if they did deliver a nice console.
Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
It doesn't make a difference what the specs are relative to each other. The ONLY thing that is important is the GAMES. Whichever system has the best lineup of games is the one people will buy. It's about the GAMES. It's always been about the GAMES. As long as each of the new systems has at least 3 or 4 exclusive games that I want to play, I'll be buying all three consoles.
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Pretty accurate observation.
MS got slagged for showing actual gameplay footage and screenshots for the 360, and people calling it "inferior" compared to Sony's PS3 footage.
But Sony basically showed pre-rendered cutscenes that their consoles can't and won't achieve in actual gameplay though... and some suckers apparently bought it hook, line, and sinker.
Boy are some of those same suckers going to feel dumb if they hold fast through 360 launch, wait for PS3, get one, and... surprise, the gameplay graphics aren't what they initially promised.
They may feel dumb, but they'll never admit it. The fanboys are already too emotionally invested, the battlelines have already been drawn, even before E3 for a lot of people. It's weird.
I've never had much love for sony, so when I saw how crappy the PS2 looked compared to what Sony was shoveling with their hype machine, I decided I wasn't interested. Fortunately for them, a while later GTA showed up, and I changed my mind.
I am, however, a Nintendo fanboy, and will likely be buying a revolution as my first next-gen console, despite the little information I have on it. Nintendo tends to refrain from over-promising though so I'm not too worried.
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WBT1 - Yo homes, for real!
WBT2 - Word?
WBT1 - He call a sucka out like dat, his system gotta be for sheezy.
WBT1 - True.
Pigs! Pigs, I say, slopping at the trough that is pop culture! I will buy the system with the gaming soul. The other do can do whatever they please over there.
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I'd be curious to know how the xbox 360 could be aiming for the ps2 when the xbox was suprior in terms of performance and graphics (thats not a stab at sony. The xbox came out quite a lot later. It would be suprising if it wasn't)
But of course remember, the playstation 3 will have REALISTIC EMOTIONS! using it's emotion engine and be able to RENDER TOY STORY IN REAL TIME! and be a SUPER COMPUTER!
Wait.. that was the PS2 wasn't it?
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It's nice to see a bit of progress in the geek community, a little bit of maturity.
When the PS/2 came out, I tried to explain why the hype was incredibly overblown. I got the equivalent of "troll".
If I tried now to explain why the hype for the PS/3 is overblown, now I'd get "Redundant".
Nobody admitted it at the time. (Haven't seen many admit it now, either...) But I think a lot of people basically got burned. (The PS/2 is nice in a lot of ways. It also sucks ass in some completely inexcusable ways. It's the console world's Pentium 4, designed for high numbers at the cost of real performance.) Looks like there's been some hard learning.
Hopefully, this feeds back to the companies in question... many have said it, but I too am sick of seeing pre-rendered scenes that the PS/1 could have pumped out...
Nintendo may not look like the most technologically advanced, but at least they're looking like that most mature at the moment. I'm sure they'll eventually come out the door guns blazing.
From TFA: "Other companies may talk of game machines, but we've always referred to 'computer entertainment,' even in our press materials. It's entertainment and also a computer. That's what's important."
Hmmm... Computer Entertainmentspot, Computer Entertainmentspy, Computer Entertainmentpro... nope just doesn't work
Ken Kutaragi is just a Sony fanboy and therefore must be ignored like any console specific fanboy on any internet forum.
Here's one for you.
http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2005/06/10/richard_hu ddy_ati/1.html
Interview with Richard Huddy of ATI. In a nutshell he basically says that CPU power of the PS3 will face a bottle neck with it's GPU. Pretty interesting
This time around, they don't have the architecture and we do, so they have to knock it and say it isn't worthwhile. But in the future, they'll market themselves out of this corner, claiming that they've cracked how to do it best. But RSX isn't unified, and this is why I think PS3 will almost certainly be slower and less powerful.
Forthcoming, I'll give you - Nintendo doesn't seem ready to share much just yet.
As far as the PS3 goes - well, I wouldn't make a judgement until I can actually look at the hardware. Until we've seen what the CPU and video hardware can do for real, it's all just guesswork (if intelligent guesswork) to a greater or lesser degree.
Don't forget that Kusoragi was the shithead who said that the PS3 isn't a gaming device, and that the PSX and PS2 weren't gaming devices either.
He's a moron. Just ignore him.
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FTA
"The SCE president then talked about the power of the PS3's Cell technology versus the inner workings of its rivals: "Other companies may have high definition graphics, but the internals are the same. For the most part, they don't do calculations. For the most part, they don't do physics - they just add movement through motion capture.
"Even if you display beautiful high definition visuals, you can't immediately tell if it's being calculated in real time by the Cell," Kutaragi continues.
"However, if you look closely, the difference between things that are being calculated and things that are simply being changed and moved is clear."
It's all about real-time, essentially, as the PS3 demos on show at E3 proved, says Ken: "They used real-time on-the-fly calculations rather than pre-rendering and pre-calculations. For the graphics too, determining which movements to make were all calculated."
[end FTA]
So what he is effectively saying is that although you will not see any real improvement between any of the systems (that is unless you look real close) you will take pride that everything is being done in real-time. It's strange, I never minded that any modern game precalculates a ton of stuff before; I'm obviously going to care now.
I guess I can't play Resident Evil 4 because its so pedestrian that it needed to pre-render stuff to look that cool.
J Allard (and Nintendos equiv) has been much more mature, raising the profile of thier own machines. Selling their machines, not slagging off competitors
Methinks, you don't remember the Sega VS Nintendo ad campaign wars in the early 1990's. I remember this because I was so influenced by the ads I wouldn't be friends with those with opposing systems. I remember my mother yelling at me one day because every time she had to baby sit one of our family friends kid, I would rag him about owning a Sega Genesis and how much better my SNES was based off information I had read in gaming magazines mostly through adverts. (Even though now looking at it I kind of wish I had a Genesis instead for Sonic.)
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I don`t doubt that was the case in the 90's certainly I remember the C64 vs Spectrum, and Amiga Vs Atari ST, So I am well aware that this sort of thing used to happen.
But in those instances Nintendo/sega and Commodore/Sinclair & atari all had their machines out, and you could directly compare them, and not base your judgement on marketese.
In this particular case, 15 years or so on, that this kind of "Marketing" is still being applied.
CJC
I have not touched my PS2 in a long time, I even waited for GTA:SA to come to Xbox to play. If you like to play online you play Xbox the experince is much better. The games look better and play better too. So how can anyone say XBox was a falure?
Ok the 360 comes out at least 6 months prior to PS3 - That will give them a lead on Sony. People will buy 360s because thats what there kids will want. If MS has it right they could take the lead over sony.
In the same article you'll note it also says even the XBox video chip is not yet final!
The dev boxes use a PC variant which is probably simialr in power, just more expensive.
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